[00:10] <afink> hey guys I am trying to install a .bin file I know it should just be ./install.bin....I already made it executable.  but I get directory not found.  any ideas?
[00:12] <e_t_> afink: try "sh install.bin"
[00:14] <afink> oh yeah...duh.  weird...got Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[00:14] <maco> sounds like a bug in the .bin but... maybe are you sure it should be sh?
[00:14] <maco> sh is dash on ubuntu
[00:14] <maco> try with bash
[00:15] <afink> must be a bug
[00:17] <e_t_> Does the error specify a line number? If so, you may be able to open the file in your favorite editor and correct it.
[00:17] <afink> no I wish it did
[00:17] <afink> its sugarcrm
[00:18] <afink> its binary so I don't think I can
[00:19] <e_t_> You're downloading the Fastrack version?
[00:23] <afink> ya needed a test in a hurry
[00:23] <afink> I was trying to get something setup for a meeting tomorrow morning
[00:24] <afink> thanks guys
[00:24] <e_t_> grab apache and php from repos and unzip the zip file (top of download page) to /var/www
[00:26] <afink> ya...it works better for multiple instances too...I will later time to smoke right now.
[00:39] <OptiplexGX620> I did something really dumb... I deleted my current window list at the bottom panel; so when I minimize a windows I can't get it back
[00:39] <OptiplexGX620> How do I get the widget or whatever it is back?
[00:40] <e_t_> Alt+tab should still show the windows. Also, the taskbar is just a Plasma widget that you should be able to add back to the panel.
[00:41] <OptiplexGX620> Yeah, it's a wdget called Task Manager
[00:41] <OptiplexGX620> *Widget
[00:41] <OptiplexGX620> nvm
[00:44] <dk12548> i was on gde. then i installed kubuntu. i was able to go to ubuntu and kubuntu both for some time but now whenever i run linux kubuntu automatically runs pls help
[00:45] <dk12548> :( also when i use logout. it doesnt turn off the cpu. only display is turned off
[00:56] <illunatic>  hawkI thank you, sir. i just reinstalled kubuntu heh
[00:59] <e_t_> dk12548: you can install the package "ubuntu-default-settings", which should change the boot splash, login screen, and default window manager.
[01:00] <dk12548> ohh kkk e_t_ i am trying and will give you response in a while
[01:05] <dk12548> e_t_:  i am not able to install that pls tell me how can i install it
[01:06] <e_t_> Do you know how to open a terminal window?
[01:06] <dk12548> yes i know that
[01:07] <e_t_> OK. Open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-default-settings"
[01:07] <e_t_> It will ask for your password.
[01:08] <dk12548> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-default-settings
[01:08] <dk12548> it is giving this error
[01:09] <e_t_> Hmm. Try "sudo apt-get update".
[01:09] <dk12548> ok
[01:09] <e_t_> It completed without errors?
[01:10] <dk12548> its saying to hit some email addresses
[01:11] <dk12548> yes
[01:12] <e_t_> Try the first command again.
[01:12] <dk12548> same error e_t_
[01:13] <dk12548> unable to find the package.:(
[01:13] <dk12548> cant i restore the whole thing back
[01:14] <dk12548> ?/
[01:14] <e_t_> What do you mean restore the whole thing?
[01:16] <dk12548> i mean when i was on windows and something gone bad then i used to restore my whole computer to previous times
[01:16] <dk12548> as if it was in that time.
[01:16] <dk12548> its called time machine in mac
[01:16] <e_t_> Well, you *can* do that, but there's no need, not for this.
[01:17] <dk12548> ohhhhhhhh really, actually my logon screen is not displayed
[01:17] <dk12548> ?
[01:17] <e_t_> We'll try something different. Type "cd /etc/X11"
[01:17] <dk12548> ok then
[01:18] <e_t_> Now "cat default-display-manager" and tell me what it says.
[01:19] <dk12548> /usr/sbin/gdm
[01:21] <e_t_> OK. That's regular Ubuntu's display manager. When you start the computer, does it come up to a login screen or just to a terminal login?
[01:21] <dk12548> niether of them bro. when i start my pc kubuntu comes.
[01:21] <dk12548> no logon screen is displayed
[01:22] <dk12548> it used to display the logon screen for some days
[01:22] <e_t_> Do you have auto-login enabled?
[01:22] <dk12548> i dont know that
[01:22] <dk12548> please tell me brother
[01:24] <e_t_> Let's check. Open System Settings and find the Login Screen option. It will be in the advanced tab if you're using <KDE 4.5.0.
[01:26] <EagleScreen_> so.. do you want to convert all to Kubuntu?
[01:26] <EagleScreen_> what is the problem?
[01:28] <dk12548> i opened system settings but there is no login screen option in that
[01:29] <e_t_> Did you look for an advanced tab?
[01:29] <dk12548> yes
[01:29] <dk12548> EagleScreen_: i am not able to see the logon screen
[01:29] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: what are you trying to do?
[01:29] <EagleScreen_> ok
[01:30] <EagleScreen_> what happens when you close your session?
[01:30] <dk12548> it turns off my display, but my cpu is not turned off
[01:31] <dk12548> e_t_:  hey it shows an option of login manager
[01:31] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: be sure you have got kdm installed
[01:31] <dk12548> what is kdm?
[01:31] <EagleScreen_> KDE Display Manager
[01:31] <EagleScreen_> you are using gdm (the Gnome one) right now
[01:31] <e_t_> Login manager might be it.
[01:31] <dk12548> i am in kdm
[01:31] <EagleScreen_> sure?
[01:32] <EagleScreen_> default.display-manager says /usr/sbin/gdm
[01:32] <dk12548> yes
[01:32] <EagleScreen_> run sudo aptitude install kdm
[01:32] <dk12548> ok just a moment EagleScreen_
[01:33] <EagleScreen_> if it is already installed, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, and select kdm instead of gdm as default
[01:33] <dk12548> k its done EagleScreen_
[01:33] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: are you in lucid?
[01:33] <dk12548> yes EagleScreen_
[01:34] <EagleScreen_> which graphics crad?
[01:34] <EagleScreen_> card?
[01:34] <dk12548> nvdia 8400 gs
[01:35] <dk12548> but EagleScreen_ my problem is that i am not able to see the logon screen
[01:35] <EagleScreen_> your X seerver may be crashing when you go to KDM
[01:35] <dk12548> i used to see it till two days before
[01:36] <EagleScreen_> and what did you do?
[01:36] <EagleScreen_> what did you chnage?
[01:36] <dk12548> i dont remember just installed compiz
[01:36] <EagleScreen_> compiz in KDE?
[01:36] <EagleScreen_> that is absurd
[01:36] <dk12548> no actually i installed it in gde
[01:37] <EagleScreen_> in Gnome
[01:37] <dk12548> ya
[01:37] <EagleScreen_> and two days before you saw KDM property?
[01:37] <dk12548> but i configed it in kde
[01:37] <dk12548> no i didnt know about it till today
[01:38] <EagleScreen_> use compiz in KDE is a bad idea
[01:38] <dk12548> oh so what can i do now? i have made changes in compiz while i was on kde
[01:38] <dk12548> like i checked the cube option etc
[01:39] <EagleScreen_> KDE has it own effects
[01:39] <dk12548> cant i restore it EagleScreen_
[01:39] <EagleScreen_> may be
[01:40] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: have you disabled auto-login yet?
[01:40] <dk12548> no, i dont know how to do that :( EagleScreen_
[01:41] <Tejyasn> that's the kubuntu room I remember.
[01:41] <dk12548> tell me EagleScreen_ how can i disable auto login?
[01:41] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: Systemsettings -> Advanced -> Login Screen
[01:42] <dk12548> its nothing called login screen here
[01:42] <dk12548> there is a login manager
[01:42] <dk12548> should i open it?
[01:43] <EagleScreen_> ofcourse open what I said
[01:43] <Tejyasn> So, Something happened to my box this last update.  The whole system is nothing but garbage apparently.  On Startup, BIOS loads, then I get the briefest flash of the KUBUNTU blues and then am shunted to "ash" which tells me that no init was found, try passing init=bootarg.
[01:43] <EagleScreen_> Tejyasn: it may be a kernel update, did you try another old kernel?
[01:43] <dk12548> but its not there
[01:44] <Tejyasn> I cannot get past the "no init found"
[01:44] <EagleScreen_> there isnt Login Screen icon?
[01:44] <Tejyasn> nope
[01:44] <dk12548> nope
[01:44] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: let me check
[01:44] <e_t_> Open the login manager, just to see.
[01:44] <dk12548> ok e_t_
[01:45] <dk12548> i have opened it
[01:45] <dk12548> now?
[01:45] <Tejyasn> @EagleScreen_ I have tried both Ubuntu and Kubuntu Live-CD and neither of them can either run from CD or Install, I keep getting error messages
[01:45] <e_t_> Do you see a tab titled Convenience?
[01:45] <dk12548> yes e_t_
[01:45] <e_t_> Click on that.
[01:46] <dk12548> i have done that
[01:46] <EagleScreen_> oh you already were on it!
[01:46] <dk12548> but enable auto login check box is not ticked
[01:47] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: so you are using gdm istead of kdm?
[01:47] <dk12548> no i am on kdm right not
[01:47] <Tejyasn> While I believe I can install windows, then re-install Kubuntu, I would like to save as much of the HDD contents as possible, and windows wants to format.
[01:49] <dk12548> tell me something, if autologon is not enabled then where is the problem. why i am not able to see the logon screen
[01:49] <EagleScreen_> because you ahve autologin enabled in gdm and you are uding gdm istead of kdm
[01:50] <dk12548> so how can i cure it EagleScreen_
[01:51] <illunatic> why does asound.state reset it's configuration when i reboot?
[01:52] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: What's the situation?
[01:52] <dk12548> any help?
[01:53] <Daskreech> With?
[01:53] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm wondering how I can set an audio visualizer as my desktop wallpaper.  Has anyone heard of that or knows how to do it?
[01:53] <Tejyasn> heya Daskreech.  I did some patching, according to kpac, just some security updates, and now I can't even boot Kubuntu.  I just get an error message of "no init found.  Try passing init=bootarg"
[01:54] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: you must change it in the gdm preferences
[01:54] <dk12548> and how can i do that even when i cant login in gdm?
[01:54] <Daskreech> Ertain: if it's an app just run it as the root window
[01:55] <Tejyasn> I have tried a live CD of both Ubuntu and Kubuntu, and neither of them can either install fresh or run from CD, both options give me the same error about skipping a certain file set (I can reboot the box and transcribe if asked)
[01:55] <dk12548> EagleScreen_:  cant i restore my system back to my privios times?
[01:55] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: the easiest way is to change your default display manager to KDM
[01:55] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: can You get to bustbox?
[01:55] <Tejyasn> yes, I am there
[01:55] <Tejyasn> gah this applet doesn't tab
[01:55] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: time machine is not available in Ubuntu, sorry
[01:55] <dk12548> ohhhhhhhhh and how can i do that EagleScreen_
[01:55] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: oh first of all You get the grub menu?
[01:56] <dk12548> oh no :(
[01:56] <Daskreech> can You get to the grub menu?
[01:56] <MarkSS> I often a window or dialog box up against the top edge of the screen and it will automatically sometimes make it take up the full screen.  How do I disable this feature?
[01:56] <Tejyasn> one sec, let me start her up so I can follow along.  I'm not fantastically savy with the software side of things
[01:57] <dk12548> i am a windows geek. but lower than a noob in linux:((
[01:57] <Tejyasn> ok, Daskreech, what is the grub?
[01:58] <dk12548> grand unified bootloader
[01:58] <dk12548> its a kind of boot manager Tejyasn
[01:58] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: When you are starting up you get a message saying press Esc to see Grub menu
[01:58] <Daskreech> very early in teh boot. Right after POST
[01:58] <Daskreech> can You press Esc at that point?
[01:58] <Tejyasn> umm.. no I don't
[01:59] <Daskreech> You should get a list of options
[01:59] <Daskreech> What do you see after post?
[01:59] <Ertain> How do I do that, Daskreech?  Is it related to the krunner?
[01:59] <dk12548> so cant i repair the whole thing?
[01:59] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, I go from BIOS load to a brief flash of the kubuntu load screen, then STRAIGHT to "No init found."
[02:00] <dk12548> i have a dual boot. i dont want to remove the whole c drive of mine
[02:00] <Daskreech> Ertain: no the background is a "layer" in X. Esentially a program. You can replace it with any program you like
[02:00] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: press Esc on the brief Kubuntu Load screen
[02:00] <e_t_> Daskreech, with GRUB2, it's the shift key, not Esc. (I think)
[02:00] <Daskreech> e_t_: thanks
[02:00] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: or esc
[02:00] <Daskreech> I mean shift
[02:00] <Ertain> Daskreech: Do you know how I might do that?  Or what the "program" might be?
[02:01] <Tejyasn> what I see now is....BusyBox v1.13.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.13.3-1ubuntu11) etc
[02:01] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, that is like trying to time a button press to lightning..
[02:01] <Daskreech> Ertain: I don't know if you have a "program" You said that you wanted an audio analyzer as your background. If that audio analysis is a program that you hacen run ten yes you can
[02:01] <Tejyasn> it is literally THAT fast
[02:02] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: open a terminal
[02:02] <dk12548> ok. i opened it
[02:02] <Ertain> Well, it's more like an audio visualizer.
[02:02] <EagleScreen_> run this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[02:02] <Ertain> I'm using kde4, btw.
[02:02] <EagleScreen_> choose kdm
[02:02] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: :0 Ok
[02:02] <EagleScreen_> and reboot
[02:02] <Tejyasn> HAH!
[02:02] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: can You type ls /dev/sd*
[02:02] <Daskreech> do you get a response?
[02:03] <Tejyasn> I got the GRUB
[02:03] <dk12548> ok i have done that
[02:03] <Ertain> What I need to do is pipe or move that visualization into the wallpaper/background... thingy.
[02:03] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: ok great :) is there a menu of options?
[02:03] <dk12548> ok EagleScreen_ i will come back in a while
[02:03] <dk12548> after rebooting
[02:03] <dk12548> but one more problem
[02:03] <Daskreech> Ertain: how are you getting the visulalization?
[02:03] <Ertain> Hmm...
[02:03] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, yes there is, I am guessing a recovery mode one?
[02:03] <dk12548> i dont get any option of rebooting
[02:04] <Ertain> I think in Audacious.  Though that's just a plugin.
[02:04] <dk12548> how can i reboot from cli
[02:04] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: no that takes you to busybox
[02:04] <Tejyasn> oh
[02:04] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: how many options do you have?
[02:04] <Ertain> There has to be something that can output a song in some window. :-/
[02:04] <Daskreech> Ertain: likely
[02:05] <illunatic> if anyone wants to take a crack at it http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3113610.0
[02:05] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, I have 4 "Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.3x-xx-generic"  and the corresponding four "recovery mode" options, and two for a memory test
[02:06] <EagleScreen_> Tejyasn: have you tried all of them?
[02:06] <Daskreech> Ertain: You can probably ask in #plasma or #kde if you like
[02:06] <Tejyasn> EagleScreen_, I am afraid to touch anything at this point
[02:07] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: try the oldest one listed that's not recovery
[02:07] <illunatic> Tejyasn: don't be afraid. i had to reinstall 4 times yesterday x)
[02:07] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, I'm blaming you if I catch on fire....
[02:07] <EagleScreen_> this is K/Ubuntu guys! it breaks sometimes!
[02:07] <Tejyasn> ok...
[02:07] <Daskreech> EagleScreen_: welcome to having a general purpose OS
[02:07] <illunatic> and other times it never works in the first place xD
[02:07] <Tejyasn> this does not look good
[02:08] <Ertain> Can do, Daskreech.
[02:08] <Daskreech> illunatic: welcome to Linux in that case :)
[02:08] <illunatic> heh
[02:08] <EagleScreen_> thanks Daskreech
[02:08] <MarkSS> For desktop background, what is the difference between scaled and scaled & cropped?  Which is better?
[02:08]  * Ertain joins plasma
[02:08] <dk12548> hi EagleScreen_, same problem again
[02:08] <illunatic> busy today?
[02:08] <Daskreech> MarkSS: depends on the wallpaper try both choose the one you like better
[02:09] <MarkSS> 1920x1200 on a 1980x1080 monitor
[02:09] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: so dont use any of them
[02:09] <dk12548> no logon screen. one more problem. now on loging me in kde it says that my audio devices are not warking properly
[02:09] <dk12548> but there is no option of that
[02:09] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: a tipicla bug when you dont use kdm
[02:10] <dk12548> what kind of bug?
[02:10] <EagleScreen_> so now i think you have changed from kdm to gdm? this is strange
[02:10] <MarkSS> Is there a such thing as Kubuntu Software Center?
[02:10] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: what's happening ?
[02:10] <Daskreech> MarkSS: strictly speaking no
[02:10] <dk12548> no i am still on kdm
[02:10] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: kdm and kde are not the same
[02:10] <MarkSS> !kdm
[02:10] <dk12548> ohhhhhhhhh, what is kdm??
[02:11] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, the one with the Billy Mays speak says "/dev/sda1: unexpected inconsistency; run fsck manually
[02:11] <dk12548> k desktop environment?
[02:11] <EagleScreen_> KDM = KDE Display Manager; KDE = KDE Desktop Enviroment
[02:11] <Tejyasn> then there is a mountall; fsck / [2769] terminated with status 4
[02:11] <EagleScreen_> KDM launches KDE, Gnome or any other Desktop Enviroment
[02:11] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: oh Ok that's better. your file system got corrupted .. somehow
[02:11] <Tejyasn> O_o
[02:12] <Daskreech> Oh that's not as good
[02:12] <Tejyasn> that happens on linux?  I thought that is why I ran away from windows?
[02:12] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: have a live CD ? or USB?
[02:12] <dk12548> ohhhhh but isnt there gdm to lauch gde? EagleScreen_
[02:12] <Tejyasn> ummm.. what about "mountall: Filesystem has errors: /"?
[02:12] <Tejyasn> I have tried live CD, it's no help...
[02:13] <dk12548> i mean how can kdm launch gde?
[02:13] <Tejyasn> unless you have a trick...
[02:13] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: both: GDM and KDM can launch both: Gnome & KDE
[02:13] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: what does that mean?
[02:13] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: I ma not sure which one are you using right now..
[02:13] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, I cannot install or run kubuntu from the CD
[02:13] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: uninstall gdm or both of them, kdm and gdm
[02:13] <dk12548> oh, isnt there any command
[02:14] <dk12548> oh ok
[02:14] <Tejyasn> I get errorsm one's a glib
[02:14] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: on the CD ?
[02:14] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: sudo aptitude remove gdm
[02:14] <Tejyasn> mmhmm
[02:14] <EagleScreen_> and reboot
[02:14] <Tejyasn> let me call them up and transcribe...
[02:14]  * Daskreech raises eyebrow
[02:14] <dk12548> k wait a moment i am doing that
[02:15] <Tejyasn> Daskreech, want me to try installing or running?
[02:15] <Tejyasn> I am on the liveCD
[02:15] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: running
[02:15] <Tejyasn> Runni ng it is
[02:15] <Daskreech> wait
[02:15] <Tejyasn> waiting
[02:15] <Daskreech> press F6
[02:15] <Tejyasn> pressed, I have options
[02:16] <Daskreech> You should get a long list of things at the bottom of the screen
[02:16] <Daskreech> that ends with a  --
[02:16] <Daskreech> You can use the left/right arrows and traverse it
[02:16] <Tejyasn> VERY long
[02:16] <Daskreech> right
[02:16] <Daskreech> ok at the end BEFORE the -- put the word single
[02:17] <Daskreech> then run the live CD
[02:17] <Tejyasn> after splash?
[02:17] <Daskreech> Right
[02:17] <Tejyasn> so single -- ?
[02:17] <Daskreech> right
[02:17] <Tejyasn> ok... running
[02:18]  * Daskreech waits anxiously
[02:18] <Tejyasn> ok.. lets try his again, making sure "single" is written in.
[02:18] <Daskreech> No what happened?
[02:18] <elijah> How does KDESudo differ from sudo
[02:19] <elijah> Daskreech: Hia
[02:19] <Daskreech> elijah: it's tuned for Gui elements which can touch more files than a command line client will
[02:20] <elijah> Daskreech: thx
[02:21]  * Tejyasn` grumbles
[02:21] <Tejyasn`> it's actually loading..
[02:22] <Tejyasn`> @Daskreech I have a desktop!
[02:22] <dk12548> ok EagleScreen_ thanks. now i can  seee the login screen but still my second problem persist
[02:22] <Daskreech> :-) Dirty CDs are the bane of my now floppy less exsistence
[02:22] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: Bleah :)
[02:22] <Daskreech> ok open a Konsole
[02:22] <dk12548> when i logout. it simply show a black screen
[02:23] <Tejyasn`> Opened
[02:23] <dk12548> it doesnt logout me :(
[02:23] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: ls /dev/sd*
[02:23] <Tejyasn`> Daskreech, there is a shiny penny in it for you of I don't have to re-install my drivers XD
[02:23] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: can you read anything in the black screen?
[02:23] <Tejyasn`> or my unending graditude and the name of my first child.. <_<
[02:23] <Tejyasn`> ok
[02:24] <Daskreech> !paste | Tejyasn`
[02:24] <dk12548> no there is nothing just the cursor keep on blinking EagleScreen_
[02:25] <Tejyasn`> umm.. there is only one line "/dev/sda    /dev/sda1   /dev/sda2   /dev/sda5"
[02:26] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: and how do you return to the Desktop?
[02:26] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: Oh the only thing on this computer is Linux?
[02:26] <Tejyasn`> mmhmm
[02:26] <dk12548> i restared my computer manually
[02:26] <Tejyasn`> I am using another computer to talk to y'all
[02:26] <Daskreech> I realise
[02:26] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: next time try Ctrl + Alt + Del
[02:26] <Daskreech> but that computer doesn't have windows etc ?
[02:26] <Tejyasn`> nope
[02:27] <Daskreech> EagleScreen_: I think that's disabled
[02:27] <dk12548> to restant?
[02:27] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: Ok try sudo fsck /dev/sda[15]
[02:27] <Tejyasn`> can do
[02:27] <Daskreech> actually type in [15]
[02:28] <Tejyasn`> fsck [space] /dev?
[02:28] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: space yes
[02:28] <dk12548> EagleScreen_:  strl+alt+del for restart?
[02:28] <Tejyasn`> ...
[02:28] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: yes, Ctrl + Alt + Del
[02:29] <dk12548> EagleScreen_:  ok but what about the problem?
[02:29] <dk12548> i am not able to logout
[02:29] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: I think your X server is crashing when you logout
[02:29] <dk12548> oh what is an X server?
[02:29] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: not sure if compiz or whatever you installed is the cause
[02:30] <EagleScreen_> your X server is the software which allow KDE, Gnome and so to run
[02:30] <dk12548> hmmmm ubuntu people should include time machine :(
[02:30] <EagleScreen_> yes, they should
[02:30] <dk12548> oh ok EagleScreen_
[02:30] <Tejyasn`> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/491345/
[02:30] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: do you plan to use Gnome again?
[02:31] <dk12548> so what i should do for that
[02:31] <dk12548> yes of course
[02:31] <Daskreech> dk12548: Your X server provides you windows and mouse control
[02:31] <dk12548> i want both desktops
[02:31] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: at least try uninstalling compiz
[02:31] <Tejyasn`> that does not look healthy
[02:31] <dk12548> ok EagleScreen_
[02:31] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: no that's fine
[02:31] <dk12548> and how?
[02:31] <Tejyasn`> oh...
[02:31] <Daskreech> you can't fsck swap
[02:31] <Daskreech> so it's telling you that
[02:31] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: sudo apt-get remove compiz-core
[02:32] <Tejyasn`> it's not fscked up?
[02:32] <Tejyasn`> sorry.... I saw the pun and had to take it
[02:32] <Daskreech> ok sudo fsck /dev/sda1
[02:32] <illunatic> ahahaha i fixed my mic
[02:32] <illunatic> wasn't plugged in
[02:32] <illunatic> jk
[02:32] <Daskreech> illunatic: whoooot :)
[02:32] <Tejyasn`> sudo-ing
[02:32] <illunatic> i had to highlight capture in alamixer and press spacebar tho
[02:32] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: :-) swap is always fscked up It's supposed to be
[02:32] <illunatic> that was it.
[02:32] <illunatic> ^5
[02:33] <dk12548> EagleScreen_: ok i have done it.
[02:33] <dk12548> should i try to logout now?
[02:33] <EagleScreen_> dk12548: try rebooting
[02:33] <dk12548> ok
[02:33] <EagleScreen_> and logout
[02:33] <dk12548> wait
[02:34] <dk12548> brb
[02:34] <elijah> Hey gang, I am relatively new to Kubuntu and am always getting "The application 'KDE Daemon' has requested to open the wallet 'kdewallet'" when I logon for the first time. This thread is my issue http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1268434.html - I installed wicd like it suggested but it doesn't seem to be replacing network manager with itself and I am still getting the password nag. When installing wicd, it did say I needed to
[02:35] <Tejyasn`> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/491346/
[02:36] <Tejyasn`> I assume yes?
[02:37] <Daskreech> no
[02:37] <Daskreech> look at the date
[02:37] <Tejyasn`> oh..
[02:37] <Daskreech> it thinksthe day is mar 14
[02:38] <Tejyasn`> ... and it says less than a day?
[02:38] <Tejyasn`> so I'll type "n" then
[02:40] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: what's it doing now?
[02:40] <Tejyasn`> ok... pasting
[02:41] <Tejyasn`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491348/
[02:41] <Daskreech> Yeah fix that
[02:42] <Tejyasn`> Deleted inode 150540 has zero dtime. fix<y>?
[02:43] <Tejyasn`> and it fixed three others
[02:44] <Daskreech> Yeah
[02:44]  * Daskreech brings up having your /home partition away from / at this point
[02:44] <Tejyasn`> we'll get to good houskeeping later XD
[02:46] <Tejyasn`> ok, long line of fixes, and then "Inode 408290 has a[n] extra size (46933) which is invalid. Fix<y>?"
[02:46] <Tejyasn`> that's me fixing the grammar
[02:47] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: ha ha submit a patch :0
[02:47] <Daskreech> :-)
[02:47] <Daskreech> yes fix it
[02:47] <Tejyasn`> .... I WOULD submit a patch, just for that too...
[02:48] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: nothing at all stops you from doing that
[02:48] <Tejyasn`> 408292 is the same error, fix?
[02:48] <Daskreech> Yes
[02:49] <Tejyasn`> 408295 has imagic flag set. Clear?
[02:49] <Daskreech> ah,, ummm ... ok sure
[02:49] <Tejyasn`> O-o
[02:49] <Tejyasn`> yes or no here....
[02:50] <Tejyasn`> should I just fix all extra size errors?
[02:50] <Daskreech> yes
[02:51] <Daskreech> I've not heard of the imagic flag before
[02:51] <Tejyasn`> well I got another one for ya.  Fixing?
[02:51] <Daskreech> but I've more trust in the fsck fixing code acumen than their grammar
[02:51] <Tejyasn`> heh
[02:51] <Daskreech> yes I'm not sure what it is but I trust they will do the right thing here
[02:52] <Tejyasn`> that's a lot of trust
[02:52] <Daskreech> there will be a directory named lost+found with the files that were "fixed" when done so you can go back and second guess them later if you like
[02:53] <Tejyasn`> 408290 has a bad extended attribute block 188096, Clear?
[02:53] <Tejyasn`> oh.. nice...
[02:53] <Daskreech> Yeah
[02:53] <Daskreech> Yes you can clear it
[02:55] <Tejyasn`> wow.. this one is full of win...  408290 i_size is 628684438487780, should be 0, Fix?
[02:56]  * Tejyasn` fixes with a shrug since you can review them later
[02:58] <Tejyasn`> Daskreech, what about a compression flag on a filesystem without compression support, clear?
[02:59] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: ha ha I know that file
[02:59] <Tejyasn`> O_o
[02:59] <Daskreech> clear that
[02:59] <Tejyasn`> ok
[02:59] <Daskreech> your hard drive got messed up
[03:00] <Tejyasn`> looks like it...
[03:00] <Tejyasn`> also fixing i_size and i_blocks should be 0 errors..
[03:00] <Tejyasn`> and clearing all compression flags, I guess
[03:01] <Tejyasn`> ooh.. new one. 408295 has index fl flag but is not a directory,  Clear HTree index?
[03:02] <Daskreech> yes
[03:02] <Daskreech> that would be interesting to play with though :)
[03:02] <Tejyasn`> clearing
[03:02] <Tejyasn`> how interesting?
[03:02] <Daskreech>  I'd keep that and play with it but then that doesn't help you at all
[03:02] <Tejyasn`> hehehe
[03:03] <Tejyasn`> clear all HTree errors?
[03:03]  * Tejyasn` got another one... <_<
[03:03] <Daskreech> If it's not a directory yes
[03:03] <Tejyasn`> they say it's not so...
[03:04] <Tejyasn`> and I found illegal blocks too...
[03:04] <Tejyasn`> clearing, I assume
[03:04] <Daskreech> You can't do anything with them so yes
[03:04] <Tejyasn`> but there are too many illegal blocks, it wants to clear the whole inode...
[03:05] <Daskreech> that might mean file loss but at this point you can go with it
[03:05]  * Tejyasn` winces
[03:05] <Tejyasn`> there is nothing I can really do about it, is there?
[03:05] <Daskreech> It's far more likely it's some system file
[03:06]  * Tejyasn` hopes and clears
[03:06] <Daskreech> There is but go with it for now you can rebuild if it's really bad
[03:06] <Tejyasn`> what CAN be done, because it just happened again
[03:07] <Daskreech> You can try and move the inodes yourself. You really don't have enough of an idea as to how Linux file systems are organized to make that call
[03:07] <Tejyasn`> no I do not..
[03:08] <Daskreech> I can assure you that I've only ever had two drastic failures when jsut letting the fsck fix it and both of those the hard drive it self was failing so I can't really blame the file system
[03:08] <Daskreech> It did what it could
[03:08] <Daskreech> and I've had to fix dozens of servers and hard drives failing
[03:09] <Tejyasn`> ... you are failing to inspire me with hope here...
[03:09] <Daskreech> If you really didn't want to agonize over it (I've been where you are) you can pass a -y to fsck
[03:09] <Daskreech> and it will fix anything that it thinks is fixable and leave anything that it can't
[03:09] <Daskreech> then you get a glass of water and reboot
[03:09] <Tejyasn`> nice..
[03:10] <Tejyasn`> hey... I got to pass2
[03:11] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: :-)
[03:11] <Daskreech> hopefully this should be easierr
[03:12] <Tejyasn`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491355/
[03:12] <Tejyasn`> the funny thing is, wine had been giving me issues for a while lately, on the updates side..
[03:13] <Tejyasn`> so clearing that, ja?
[03:13] <Daskreech> ha ok
[03:13] <Daskreech> II've not seen one that specific in a while :)
[03:14] <Tejyasn`> a plasma-desktop.tmp file sounds safe?
[03:14] <Tejyasn`> it's in /tmp
[03:15]  * Tejyasn` just clears unless she feels worried, howabouts?
[03:16] <Tejyasn`> ok.. what if it's in /.ecryptfs ?
[03:16] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: yes
[03:17] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: you can reencrypt as long as you have your password
[03:17] <Tejyasn`> ok
[03:17]  * Daskreech doesn't like encrypted directories
[03:17] <Tejyasn`> which I should have...
[03:17] <Daskreech> You have yours encrypted?
[03:18] <Tejyasn`> some... <_<
[03:18]  * Tejyasn` is a privacy nut.. even on her own systems
[03:19] <Daskreech> okie :)
[03:19] <Daskreech> but then you have to be careful about backups
[03:19] <Tejyasn`> ok.. got to pass 3, where we have "unconnected directory inode 408305 (...) I should connect this to the lost+found, ja?
[03:19] <Daskreech> You can lock yourself out of your own stuff pretty easy with proper encryption
[03:20] <Daskreech> and being open source there is no secret backdoor back in
[03:20] <Tejyasn`> already done that many a time XD
[03:20] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: yep
[03:21] <Tejyasn`> Block Bitmap differences need to be fixed?
[03:21] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: Ha ha I rely on peole like you
[03:21] <Tejyasn`> hehehe
[03:21] <Daskreech> sure that shouldn't be an issue of anything
[03:21] <Tejyasn`> no you don't... I make multiple hardcopies
[03:22] <Daskreech> hmm?
[03:22] <Daskreech> that's not what I meant :)
[03:23] <Tejyasn`> ok... after a few more bitmap fixes, and some wrong counts... I am back to normal... why do I feel like I just defragged?
[03:23] <Tejyasn`> and by normal I mean ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[03:24] <Tejyasn`> oh.. you mean on being really good at breaking things?
[03:25] <Tejyasn`> ok.. so...
[03:26] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: I meant that we need people who are concious of privacy enough to ensure it's a priority
[03:26] <Tejyasn`> ah..
[03:26] <Daskreech> I'm wary about it online but not enough on local machines
[03:27] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: want to do a fire test?
[03:27] <Tejyasn`> when in doubt, encrypt, shred, and EMP
[03:27] <Tejyasn`> sure..
[03:27]  * Tejyasn` gets a lighter?
[03:28] <Tejyasn`> or am I trying to boot my poor box on HDD?
[03:28] <Daskreech> press up and run the command again
[03:28] <Tejyasn`> oh.. that
[03:29] <Tejyasn`> ... sudo fsck /dev/sda1?
[03:30] <Tejyasn`> if I do that I get a warning about sda1 being mounted... a really big textbased warning
[03:30] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: umm
[03:30] <Daskreech> cancel
[03:30] <Daskreech> type mount
[03:30] <Daskreech> type mount | grep sda1
[03:32] <Tejyasn`> I get /dev/sda1 on /media/disk type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodevmuhelper=hal)
[03:33] <Tejyasn`> what did I break?
[03:35] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: Nothing :)
[03:36] <Daskreech> type sudo umount /media/disk
[03:37] <Daskreech> Tejyasn`: hi again
[03:38] <Tejyasn> heya, Daskreech..
[03:38] <Daskreech> you can press up to get back the fsck command and run it again
[03:38] <Tejyasn> stupid lags and pings..
[03:38] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:39] <Tejyasn> e2fsck 1.14.11 (march 14th) /dev/sda1 is mounted
[03:39] <Tejyasn> should I not be on the liveCD for this? <_<
[03:40] <Daskreech> wait
[03:40] <Daskreech> aren;t you on the live cd?
[03:40] <Tejyasn> I am..
[03:40] <Daskreech> ls /media/disk
[03:41] <Tejyasn> ok
[03:41] <Daskreech> do you get a list of directories
[03:41] <Tejyasn> yes
[03:42] <Daskreech> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[03:43] <Tejyasn> sudo: unmount: command not found
[03:43] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: look what i wrote
[03:43] <Tejyasn> oh..
[03:43] <Tejyasn> stupid n
[03:44] <Tejyasn> ok
[03:44] <Tejyasn> fsck that fscker?
[03:44] <Daskreech> yes
[03:44] <Daskreech> Worst named command ever
[03:45] <Daskreech> to save one keystroke they made it the most obtusely named command
[03:45]  * Tejyasn does her best impersonation of a midget paranormal expert
[03:45] <Tejyasn> This /dev/sda1 is clean
[03:45] <Tejyasn> and if anyone gets that reference, you are as big a dweeb as I am..
[03:46] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: are you running from the police?
[03:46] <Tejyasn> no.. I am not a small medium at large
[03:46] <Daskreech> curses
[03:46]  * Tejyasn smiles
[03:47] <Tejyasn> ok.. so now that she reports as clean.... NOW I can try to boot/salvage her?
[03:47]  * Daskreech was going to have fries with that and supersize
[03:47] <Tejyasn> hehehe
[03:47] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: please do
[03:47] <Tejyasn> ok
[03:47] <Daskreech> My mother is almost done talking to me so I can go home :)
[03:47] <Tejyasn> home is always good
[03:48] <Daskreech> uses the same letters on a phone pad too
[03:48] <Tejyasn> though I feel that home is where the heart is, and my heart is always over the next horizon,,,
[03:49] <Daskreech> ~ is where the <3 is
[03:49] <Daskreech> I need that on a shirt
[03:49] <Tejyasn> ~/ sweet ~/ ?
[03:50] <Tejyasn> so what was I doing there? defragging and drive-cleaning?
[03:50]  * Daskreech was going to one up that but
[03:50] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: No fixing inode information for the file system on top of it
[03:50] <Tejyasn> oh...
[03:51] <Daskreech> Essentially something bad happened
[03:51] <Tejyasn> O_O
[03:51] <Daskreech> I can explain if you like
[03:51] <Tejyasn> I am SO naming my first child after you... if I ever have children..
[03:51] <Tejyasn> or a fish... I cna do a fish
[03:51] <Tejyasn> please?
[03:51] <Daskreech> Please can you name your fish?
[03:52] <Tejyasn> sure.. I'll get another betta and name it "Daskreech, Saviour of my Ass"
[03:52] <Daskreech> Yay :-)
[03:52] <Tejyasn> so what happened there? feel free to drop it in PM if you want
[03:53] <Daskreech> no more people can learn here
[03:53] <Tejyasn> bah..
[03:53] <Tejyasn> people learning.. it's like teaching the serfs how to read..
[03:54] <Tejyasn> well. actually.. gimme asec as I am gonna try to see you all from the glory of my revived laptop
[03:54] <Daskreech> hooked on fonik
[03:54] <Daskreech> You presume a lot :)
[03:54] <Tejyasn> yes I do ^_^
[03:55] <nymphaeaceae> ok... I'm here.. closing the other one
[03:56] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: Oh hi it's you :)
[03:56]  * Daskreech waves
[03:56] <nymphaeaceae> yeah.. I usually go by Tej on IRC, but.. I decided to have a second name too.... the humble nymphaeaceae
[03:56] <Daskreech> ok so in UNIX each actual file is given a unique number called an inode
[03:57] <nymphaeaceae> ok
[03:57] <Daskreech> when the OS is doing anything it does it on the inode level
[03:57] <nymphaeaceae> like SSC
[03:57] <Taha__> Hi everyone
[03:57] <Taha__> I'm having a major problem
[03:57] <Daskreech> sort of like when you are doing anything the OS sees you as a UID
[03:57] <Daskreech> but you see yourself as say jenny
[03:57] <Daskreech> Taha__: hi
[03:57] <nymphaeaceae> ok
[03:57] <Taha__> Hi
[03:57] <Taha__> Well, the problem is that fact that when I started up Ubuntu today,
[03:58] <Taha__> All I got was a black screen, greeting me with a request of my user's account & password
[03:58] <Taha__> So I enter my username & password, and it grants access to the commandline
[03:58] <Daskreech> Taha__: and you logged in?
[03:58] <Taha__> Yes, successfully
[03:58] <Taha__> I try to use the command: startx
[03:58] <Taha__> But I get an error
[03:58] <Taha__> saying that no screens were found
[03:58] <Taha__> and that there is something wrong with fglrx
[03:58] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: now when you look at files you see a name and a position. that's all irrelevant to the OS
[03:59] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: in fact you can have multiple files with multiple names all be the same file as long as they point at the same inode
[03:59] <Daskreech> Taha__: what's wrong with fglrx?
[03:59] <Taha__> Umm, it says something is corrupted I believe
[03:59] <nymphaeaceae> ok....
[04:00] <nymphaeaceae> so what I see is a placeholder for what the OS sees.
[04:01] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: right you see a name all the real info is in the inode which ... you can see if you want.
[04:01] <Daskreech> try ls -i
[04:01] <nymphaeaceae> <_<
[04:01] <nymphaeaceae> that sounds scary
[04:01] <Daskreech> Taha__: anything more descriptive?
[04:01] <Taha__> Umm, I'm trying to find someone with a similar problem
[04:01] <Taha__> I've found this threadL
[04:02] <Taha__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7b2a614a14c5b2f1d394f674d049bbcd&t=1566254&page=2
[04:02] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: It's not as long as you aren't looing at it all the time
[04:02] <Taha__> Very similar to my problem
[04:02] <Taha__> I'm currently reading it
[04:02] <FloodBotK2> Taha__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:02] <nymphaeaceae> so those numbers I see next to the entries are the inodes?
[04:03] <Taha__> Daskreech: Is there any way I can uninstall fglrx without accessing Ubuntu's gui?
[04:03] <Daskreech> Taha__: certainly
[04:03] <Taha__> Forgive me for my linux-noobiness, but this is my second time installing Ubuntu
[04:03] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: Yes
[04:03] <Taha__> Is it something like:
[04:03] <Taha__> apt-get remove fglrx?
[04:03] <Daskreech> hence when fixing it saying inode 40963 has a wrong size
[04:03] <Taha__> sudo apt-get remove fglrx?
[04:04] <Daskreech> If you installed it with apt-get then yes
[04:04] <Taha__> How do I know what to write after remove?
[04:04] <nymphaeaceae> oh I see... the things I learn from you guys!
[04:04] <Taha__> I believe it's called the package name?
[04:04] <Taha__> How do I list all packages?
[04:04] <Taha__> apt-get list?
[04:04] <Taha__> And if I uninstall fglrx, do you think I'll be able to revert to the system drivers?
[04:05] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: so fsck goes to the inode level then it replays what has happened with the files (there is a note made for all changes to any inode) and compares with what the actual inode says happned
[04:05] <Daskreech> Taha__: apt-cache search nvidia
[04:05] <Taha__> Actually, I'm using an ati 5770
[04:05] <Daskreech> Taha__: Yes you will if you uninstall it
[04:05] <Daskreech> >_<
[04:05] <Taha__> I'll just replace nvidia with ati
[04:05] <Daskreech> Taha__: I can see that not working :)
[04:06] <Taha__> Dang
[04:06] <nymphaeaceae> .... that is... stupidly smart!  and such a simple command behind it too.. though they should change the command word for it..
[04:06] <Taha__> I wish I can dump the logs or something
[04:06] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: Why?
[04:06] <Daskreech> filesystemcheck is too long
[04:06] <Daskreech>  fsck is just about right
[04:06] <Taha__> brb. going to restart & attempt again
[04:06] <Daskreech> Taha__: Yo ucan dump the logs
[04:07] <Taha__> Does it automatically dump?
[04:07] <nymphaeaceae> but fsck.... is... too fscking close to other words XD
[04:07] <Taha__> Or do I manually do it?
[04:07] <Daskreech> I don't know which logs are you looking for?
[04:07] <Taha__> Well, the screen logs
[04:07] <Taha__> I get an error in white text on the screen
[04:07] <Taha__> In command
[04:07] <Taha__> Is there any way I can dump that text?
[04:07] <nymphaeaceae> but then again, you tend to only think of fscking when your system is fscked..
[04:07] <Taha__> If it's automatic, then I can just fetch it right now from Windows
[04:08] <Taha__> ok
[04:08] <Taha__> umm
[04:08] <Taha__> brb
[04:08] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: good point
[04:08] <Daskreech> nymphaeaceae: who | grep -i blondie | talk; gawk; nice; date; cd ~; wine; talk; grep; touch; unzip; touch; strip; gasp; finger; gasp; mount; fsck; more; yes; fsck; gasp; umount; make clean; make mrproper; sleep
[04:08] <Daskreech> Taha__: try /var/log/system.log
[04:09] <nymphaeaceae> ....
[04:09] <nymphaeaceae> I think I am in love...
[04:09] <illunatic> too bad
[04:09] <Daskreech> love: command not found
[04:10] <illunatic> heh
[04:10] <nymphaeaceae> hehehe
[04:10] <illunatic> hah that's pretty good
[04:10] <nymphaeaceae> well.. I promise to name my next fish after you, Daskreech... *hugs warmly*
[04:11]  * Daskreech hugs nymphaeaceae
[04:11] <illunatic> haha
[04:11] <Daskreech> bettas kinda look like me too
[04:11] <Daskreech> largely flamboyant
[04:11] <nymphaeaceae> hehehe
[04:11] <nymphaeaceae> thanks for the help... and... wel..
[04:11] <Daskreech> the fscking ?
[04:12] <Daskreech> well the fscking lesson
[04:12] <Daskreech> I kinda just was there during the fscking
[04:12] <nymphaeaceae> I hope I never have to see you here again, but if I have to be here... I wouldn't have anyone help with fscking other than you
[04:12] <Daskreech> \o/
[04:12] <Daskreech> yes;yes;yes
[04:12] <nymphaeaceae> hehehe
[04:13] <nymphaeaceae> you take care ^_^
[04:13] <Daskreech> You too
[04:23] <elijah> Help! I tried adjusting the min/max width of the bottom taskbar panel and now plasma-desktop is unresponsive and i have to force close it thouugh task manager. How can I reset whatever I did back to spec? I can access dolphin and all programs through Krunner.
[04:23] <elijah> The right side of the bottom taskbar panel just flickers and I cannot right click it to get to the settings to change it back.
[04:23] <Daskreech> elijah: open konsole
[04:24] <elijah> A restart did not resolve it
[04:24] <elijah> k
[04:24] <Daskreech> mkdir plasmabkp
[04:25] <elijah> k
[04:25] <Daskreech> kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 10 && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmabkp && plasma-desktop
[04:25] <elijah> it was already quit
[04:25] <elijah> should i start it again?
[04:26] <Daskreech> Nope
[04:26] <Daskreech> just take off the kquitapp and sleep sections
[04:27] <elijah> so just mv and after?
[04:29] <elijah> i have files in my backup folder now
[04:34] <elijah> Daskreech: Nice!
[04:34] <Daskreech> elijah: :)
[04:34] <elijah> K, it recreated, thanks soo much!
[04:34] <Daskreech> elijah: nice eh?
[04:35] <elijah> Daskreech: Beats reinstalling Kubuntu! :)
[04:35] <Daskreech> doesn't it? :0
[04:35] <Daskreech> Linux is incredibly resiliant
[04:35] <Daskreech> (though a number of times it doesn't beat a reinstall)
[04:36] <elijah> Daskreech: Yeah, I can see that
[04:36] <elijah> happening
[04:37] <elijah> btw, I got close with fsuck last night
[04:38] <elijah> It mounted one partition but not the other
[04:38] <elijah> maybe tomorrow I will try again
[04:38] <elijah> Nite!
[04:39] <Daskreech> night
[04:50] <dan_l> can anybody think of a program that will let you mess with programs that launch on startup?
[05:02] <James147> dan_l: what are you trying to do?
[05:03] <dan_l> james147:  get googsystray to run at boot
[05:03] <dan_l> I can set it in the programs preferences
[05:03] <dan_l> but I think it needs sudo?
[05:04] <James147> dan_l: then system settings > advanced > autostart (for kde 4.4)
[05:04] <dan_l> I tried it.  Googsystray just crashes on startup
[05:04] <James147> dan_l: does it launch manually?
[05:05] <dan_l> yup
[05:05] <dan_l> I just launched it now
[05:05] <dan_l> manually
[05:05] <dan_l> but on start up
[05:06] <dan_l> it just throws an error message
[05:06] <FloodBotK2> dan_l: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:06] <James147> (as a user? (ie not as root?)
[05:06] <dan_l> As a user.  I just run it from cri
[05:06] <James147> hmm
[05:06] <dan_l> errr----you know.  the launcher thingamabob keystroke thingy
[05:06] <James147> what error does it give?
[05:08] <dan_l> You know, I'm not sure?  It's a massive window.  It won't fit on the single monitor.
[05:08] <dan_l> it points to a couple of files and says bad permissions.  It points to the actual googsystray file too
[05:11] <James147> hmm, how did you install it?
[05:18] <elijah> Is there a way to bind super + my function sleep (f5) key to sleep the computer?
[05:18] <elijah> super + f5 = sleep
[05:18] <elijah> easily?
[05:19] <dan_l> james147:  it's not in the installer.  I downloaded and followed the instructions.
[05:20] <dan_l> Elijah:  try your keystroke launcher and type 'sleep'
[05:22] <James147> dan_l: downloaded from where?
[05:22] <dan_l> james147:   sourceforge (http://googsystray.sourceforge.net/)
[05:36] <James147> dan_l: not sure why it wont auto launch sorry,
[05:38] <dan_l> james147:  quite all right.  I appreciate it.
[05:38] <dan_l> I really think it's a permissions issue
[05:40] <James147> dan_l: most likly :) but I am to tired to figure out what it wonts :)... if your just intrested in the gmail part you could try the gmail widget (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/gmail-plasmoid?content=101229)
[05:42] <dan_l> NOOOOO I NEED MY GCALS AND GVOICE AND GREAD AND GDOCS
[05:43] <dan_l> I'm totally google addicted.  If kontact would play nice w/ everything but voice, I could deal with it
[05:43] <James147> dan_l: what version of kde are you using?
[05:44] <dan_l> errr---the one that comes stock w/ 10.04.  is that 4p4?
[05:44] <James147> 4.4.2 is the default
[05:44] <dan_l> that's it then.  I just installed this the other day.
[05:45] <James147> dan_l: hmm, last I tryed I managed to get contacts working with akonadi...
[05:45] <dan_l> It worked pretty well?
[05:45] <dan_l> I had all sorts of problems with mails being read and unread
[05:45] <James147> i got a list of contacts up :) didnt really try much else though (dont use the PIM stuff yet)
[05:46] <James147> dan_l: :S
[05:46] <tweakedeh> hello, hello, is there anyway I can change the icons in the system tray?
[05:46] <James147> havnt tryed syncing gmail yet,
[05:46] <James147> tweakedeh: what kde version?#
[05:46] <dan_l> james147:  maybe I'll try it this weekend and let you know what I find.
[05:47] <tweakedeh> James147: im on kde 10.4
[05:47] <James147> dan_l: note that upgrading to 4.5.1 might help
[05:47] <dan_l> that sounds scary.
[05:47] <James147> tweakedeh: heh, i am only on kde 4.5 :) , you mean kubuntu 10.04?
[05:48] <dan_l> Did I mention this was the worst linux install I had since gutsy?
[05:48] <tweakedeh> James147: lol yes
[05:48] <James147> dan_l: really why?
[05:48] <dan_l> I remember my gutsy install.  5 days to solve the broadcom wifi problem.  Ironically, just today they open sourced those drivers.
[05:48] <tweakedeh> James147: I'm not sure how to tell but I think its 4
[05:48] <dan_l> Err this one went bad due to partitioning.
[05:49] <dan_l> Previously, it was just "largest continuous free space".  That option is gone.  So I had to manually do the parts which had some bad results
[05:49] <James147> tweakedeh: my guess is 4.4 :)  ... hmm, they the mono chrome icons? or the default oxygen ones?
[05:50] <James147> dan_l: :S I tend to always to manual partitioning
[05:50] <dan_l> James:  you are bolder than I.  I'm not real computer smart.
[05:50] <tweakedeh> James147: default.. but I have PulseAudio Applet in my system tray and it looks like a ? I just want to add my own
[05:50]  * James147 cant remember when they started using the monochrome icons for systray :S
[05:50] <dan_l> I mean I'm a strong user.  But that paritioning stuff really pushes my buttons.
[05:52] <James147> tweakedeh: ahh... well, most applications get their icons from the icon theme, so you should beable to add it to that to get it to show (although I dont know the naming scheme verywell...)
[05:53] <tweakedeh> James147: oh, I see, I'll keep trying, thanks =]
[05:54] <dan_l> is there a kde themed databasey program?
[05:54] <James147> dan_l: like microsoft access?
[05:54] <dan_l> more like sql community or firebird.
[05:55] <dan_l> Access doesn't do it for me (though I have it running in my vbox)
[05:55] <dan_l> I'm running dummy data right now, as it were.
[05:55] <James147> dan_l: well, a microsoft alt is in koffice, not sure about the others thoug
[05:56] <tweakedeh> koffice work with .docx files?
[05:57] <dan_l> tweakedeh:  I'm not sure on that.  I know it will work with OOO
[05:57] <dan_l> but koffice is actually pretty nice.  Kspread ain't half bad.  And I'm a spreadsheet gangster.
[05:58] <James147> tweakedeh: it should do
[05:58] <dan_l> I'm like spreadsheet elite
[05:59]  * James147 is anoyed at all spreadsheet programs... they all look horrible on a dark theme :(
[05:59] <tweakedeh> James147: well Open Office can read them it's just the format is all messed up. I just thought there might be a easy want to convert it or read it
[05:59] <dan_l> James:  try changing the sheets color to a grey and dumping the gridlines.  You don't need them anyhow.
[06:00]  * dan_l runs grey all the time
[06:00]  * dan_l sometimes does white on blue too
[06:01] <James147> dan_l: think i tryed that.... but I hate setting it up every time I want to use it.... (well, at least I seem to since I dont use it often and seem to randomly delete the configs more often :D )
[06:01] <dan_l> with ooo, kspread, or excel?
[06:02] <James147> dan_l: but at least koffice is consistent... OOo likes to use the window theme for the back ground (dark) with its own choise of font (black)....
[06:03]  * James147 dosnt use excel on linux... so no theme problems there as windows cannot have proper themes...
[06:03] <James147> and I get the color problems with both kspread and oo
[06:03] <tweakedeh> Windows, you should be on linux full time =\
[06:04] <James147> tweakedeh: I use windows for gaming :) otherwise I am on linux
[06:04] <James147> tweakedeh: (^^ which means I dont use excel at all really :) )
[06:05] <tweakedeh> lol, I gave up the games when I start college, way to much homework..
[06:05] <dan_l> I run a windoze vbox for my excel habit:)
[06:05] <James147> I like to play them occasionally :)
[06:06] <dan_l> I left the win7 partition up on this machine so I can play the occasional game.  The wife let's me play exactly 2 games a year.  When work gets less busy, I'll finish splinter cell conviction
[06:06] <tweakedeh> vbox is horrable for games, I have a startcraft 2 trial I dont know what to do with.
[06:07] <James147> tweakedeh: thats mostly because vbox dosnt really do 3d (or at lesat very well)
[06:08] <tweakedeh> James147, yea, it also doesn't let me install mac os x to try out =[
[06:08] <dan_l> ohhh you can't game on vbox at all
[06:09] <dan_l> you'd have a better chance doing it with....uh WINE
[06:09] <James147> dan_l: lies... pacman works wondefully :D
[06:09] <tweakedeh> lmao, WINE doesn't work that well either.
[06:09] <dan_l> Well it 'works' it just requires you to be uber.
[06:09] <James147> tweakedeh: wine dosnt work too badly, have managed to get portal and left 4 dead[2] working under it quite well
[06:10] <James147> (only minor drop in preformance)
[06:10] <tweakedeh> wow, I haven't tried to do much on it, Just generally didn't work for me.
[06:10] <James147> (without doing much but installing it...)
[06:10] <tweakedeh> MS office 2007 work on WINE?
[06:11] <James147> tweakedeh: depends on what your trying to isntall...
[06:11] <James147> tweakedeh: I think they got it working..
[06:11] <tweakedeh> James147, Nice, then I can kill the vbox
[06:11] <dan_l> ummmm.....
[06:11] <dan_l> depends on what you're trying to do:)
[06:12] <dan_l> most of your addons won't work that well
[06:12] <tweakedeh> lol, I just want to type and save it, maybe the odd print.
[06:12] <dan_l> you'll have font problems at some point.
[06:12] <dan_l> ohh yeah you'll be fine.
[06:13] <tweakedeh> awesome
[06:14] <James147> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12812   at least excel seems to work resonably
[06:15] <tweakedeh> all I really need it word, excel should look the same in OOO
[06:16] <James147> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12811 ..not as highly rated, but works
[06:16]  * James147 tends to prefure latex over word though :D
[06:18]  * dan_l thinks james147 is a masochist after that.  
[06:18] <James147> dan_l: why so?
[06:18] <tweakedeh> wo dll overrides?
[06:18] <tweakedeh> Two*
[06:19] <dan_l> latex isn't easy.
[06:19] <James147> dan_l: it aint that hard :) just need a reference to look at now and then :)  late-suite on vim makes it much easier :D
[06:20] <dan_l> I use a text editor to write often
[06:20] <James147> dan_l: and it create much more professional documetns without actually changing the defaukts much
[06:20] <James147> (or at all)
[06:22] <dan_l> I don't do much formatting even at my best
[06:22] <dan_l> a good table of contents is all
[06:23] <James147> dan_l: \tableofcontents    is all i do to get that :D
[06:23] <James147> (well, that and wun pdflatex twice... well vim runs it twice for me altumatically)
[07:23] <sobczyk> hi, I'm trying to use dolphin to browse windows shares, on windows nide windows pops up asking for username and password but in dolphin I click the computer and empty folder shows up
[07:23] <sobczyk> without any password dialog
[07:24] <sobczyk> is there a way to enter username and password to being able to see the folders?
[07:49] <tweakedeh> Is there any way I can remove an app from the applications menu?
[08:56] <AciD> hi
[08:58] <AciD> I have one problem that can't seems to be solved by a simple google search : I just can't see thumbnails in dolphin (icon view). I checked the type the thumbnails and set the size of file to 20 mb, that would normally suffice isn't ? still no thumbnails...
[09:05] <zegenie> AciD: what file types?
[09:05] <AciD> all
[09:05] <AciD> even images
[09:08] <AciD> even wierder : in icon view, if I have some folders with pictures in them, I just see normal folder icon, but if i hover my mouse over them, I can see the thumbnails on top of the folder icon, in the information pane...
[09:21] <AciD> nevermind
[09:21] <AciD> I just found the solution on gg
[09:22] <AciD> it seems previews aren't automatically done by dolphin, you must select view>previews to display them
[09:23] <AciD> :o
[09:23] <AciD> it's auto now, thanks for your help :)
[09:42] <emas> I need som help
[09:42] <emas> When I open kwrite there are no longer any formatting tools
[09:42] <emas> The whole panel is gone
[09:42] <emas> How do I get it back?
[09:48] <Peace-> emas: emas settings krite i guess
[09:49] <emas> I found nothing about it there
[09:54] <emas> Oh, sorrys
[09:54] <emas> I mixed up kwrite and kword
[09:54] <emas> No problems then :)
[10:23] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[10:24] <phoenix_> i swaped my soundcard to another pci slot and now the sound is not working. in the phonon setting, i see my sound card is disabled
[10:25] <phoenix_> i am using creative sb live 24bit ie ca0106
[10:25] <phoenix_> any help
[10:50] <erupter_> hi all
[10:51] <erupter_> i'm new to Kubuntu (i've used ubuntu), where is the synaptic package manager?
[10:54] <erupter___> hi all ppl, i'm new to kubuntu (i've used ubuntu), where is the synaptic or equivalent graphical package interface?
[10:55] <slow-motion> hi
[10:56] <an1> erupter___: kpackagekit
[10:56] <erupter___> an1 and where is it?
[10:57] <erupter___> an1 i tried lunching synaptic for the terminal but it stays in text mode (i believe because i don't have gnome)
[10:57] <an1> just search for it. type "package" in search on application launcher. its in launcher->computer
[10:58] <erupter___> an1 oh this, i've found it but it does not find all the packages that synaptic finds on ubuntu
[10:58] <an1> try downloading synaptic
[10:59] <an1> erupter___: alternatively use filters
[11:00] <an1> filter it to search only for installed packages
[11:03] <erupter___> whoa
[11:03] <erupter___> ugly but working...
[11:06] <an1> i know its not that elegant
[11:06] <erupter___> yes
[11:07] <erupter___> do you know the gdk libs?
[11:07] <erupter___> f**k... i think i made a big mistake... great...
[11:08] <an1> no
[11:32] <sabgenton> is  the netbook editon wubi compadible?
[11:36] <phoenix_> while copying from hard drive to harddrive i am getting only 3 MB/s , the mount.ntfs-3g is using cpu very much.
[11:36] <Peace-> that is
[11:36] <Peace-> ntfs is slower than ext4
[11:37] <phoenix_> i know that, but for some files the data transfer rate drops from 27 MB/s to 3 MB/s
[11:44] <jussi> Mamarok: ^^
[11:48] <Mamarok> jussi: thank you very much :)
[12:01] <illunatic> yeah one thing great about installing from the 10.04 instead of trying to upgrade from 8.10 is i have the ext4 now
[12:26] <millun> /dev/sda7             321G  309G     0 100% /x
[12:27] <niteye> how do i connect to wireless network, ive created and added a wireless network, filled in all the info, but i cant find out how to actually connect to it
[12:29] <Brama> \list
[12:31] <Mamarok> !list | Brama
[12:35] <FlashDeluxe> Hi! I have a problem, i cannot send/receive mails but i do not get any errors. The mail server runs on debian, connection via imap and it runs at least since one year without a problem, can somebody help me please?
[12:35] <volkan> hi
[12:35] <volkan> im volkan
[12:36] <john00145> which mail server u r tryin to connect
[12:36] <FlashDeluxe> kolab
[12:40] <john00145> deluxe - check settings for ur accounts
[12:41] <FlashDeluxe> they are correct
[12:41] <john00145> wat abt ports
[12:42] <FlashDeluxe> are open
[12:43] <FlashDeluxe> i didn`t change anything
[12:43] <FlashDeluxe> and i don`t really know where to search for errors, in /var/log/mail.* there is nothing to find :(
[12:44] <FlashDeluxe> arrgh i will explain it better: in the logs i see incoming mails
[12:44] <FlashDeluxe> and i see that they are passed
[12:44] <FlashDeluxe> but the do not reach the client
[12:45] <FlashDeluxe> *they
[12:45] <john00145> i think ur ports are blocked by firewall
[12:46] <john00145> check firewall is not blocking anyports
[12:49] <FlashDeluxe> i didn`t change anything in the firewall but i will look it up
[12:49] <john00145> i wud suggest try reinstalling latest version of this app
[12:50] <FlashDeluxe> what app do you mean?
[12:53] <FlashDeluxe> do you mean a software firewall? i have no software firewall installed on the clients
[12:54] <niteye> the network configuration tool doesnt work at all, i fill in my wireless network settings, and even though i select WPA in the settings it says 'insecure' in the list, furthermore there is no button to actually try connecting to it,
[13:09] <niteye> and how do i run firefox? whenever i run it, it gives me a button 'install', and i click that and it gives an error saying its already installed, i get no further than this
[13:09] <niteye> this is a fresh install even damn kunbuntu lucid is heavily broken :s
[13:24] <skramer_> I just tried out plasma-widget-menubar, but it seems it does not work for me. It only shows File -> Close no matter which app I open. Anybody knows the trick to get it to work with KDE 4.5.1 in Lucid?
[13:35] <Mamarok> skramer_: is it a recent widget? Not sure...
[13:38] <skramer_> Mamarok: http://agateau.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/getting-menus-out-of-application-windows/          I installed it from the Unity PPA
[13:39]  * Mamarok reads
[13:41] <Mamarok> skramer_: did you install the Qt patch? You should read the blog entry again...
[13:43] <Mamarok> it is a proof-of-concept, not really usable as of now
[13:47] <skramer_> Mamarok: seems like I don't have the patch, probably because I have Qt 4.7 rc1 but the patch is against Qt 4.7 beta1
[13:48] <Mamarok> skramer_: nope, then it should be in the RC1 already
[13:48] <Mamarok> but you didn't read that blog entry, it is by no means a usable widget right now
[13:49] <skramer_> by that time, it was not. but tut they are going to include it in Maverick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu       so I thought it might be usable already ;-)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:14] <decade> hey how do I set grub.cfg to boot windows 7?
[14:29] <Gamoder> Hi, does anybody know how to make KDE use MB instead of MiB
[14:33] <apparle_> guys suggest a good dj software.. like virtual dj
[14:34] <wilhart> how to i net get tearing in video?
[14:34] <wilhart> who do i remove tearing
[14:35] <wilhart> nvidia
[14:35] <skramer_> Mamarok: I installed the Maverick which has libjson0 as dependency. Made the Menubar widget work as expected, but seems to break Lucid's Kopete / Kontact :-(
[14:35] <skramer_> so I'll have to wait for Maverick to have everything working properly
[14:38] <wilhart> how can i playback with kde effects and no tearing ?
[14:38] <wilhart> it tears when switching to desktop effect
[15:36] <jensoko> Hello...I'm trying to download skype and have failed at it via the repository and the web. I'm trying for the 64-bit version of the most recent beta. Any help is appreciated.
[15:47] <BzowK> Hello All!
[15:48] <BzowK> I've got a quick and easy question about Kubuntu installation.  Is this a good place to ask?
[15:49] <BzowK> hello?
[15:56] <khyron_> boa tarde
[15:57] <khyron_> kubuntu-br
[15:57] <khyron_> #ubuntu-br
[15:57] <khyron_> #kubuntu-br
[15:59]  * Synjunitzu screams for help
[16:00] <Synjunitzu> how do I get flash on kubuntu :( /me googles
[16:01] <avihay> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:02] <Synjunitzu> !info HELP!
[16:02] <avihay> !flash
[16:02]  * Synjunitzu cries
[16:02] <Synjunitzu> okay
[16:02] <avihay> !restricted | Synjunitzu
[16:03] <Synjunitzu> !Gnash
[16:03] <jensoko> is there any place I can download a package for Skype? Repository can't connect
[16:03] <jensoko> !skype
[16:03] <Synjunitzu> someone tell me how to install git pls..
[16:03] <Synjunitzu> git-core
[16:04] <Synjunitzu> because i AM trying :/
[16:04] <jensoko> !ekiga
[16:04] <avihay> jensoko: from the skype website
[16:04] <Synjunitzu> downloaded it and I havent a clue what to do
[16:05] <jensoko> avihay: I get an error that says "/tmp/S06o7mUO.bin.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. "
[16:05] <avihay> Synjunitzu: there's a git-core package in the repositories. you can instal it from a package manager
[16:05] <Synjunitzu> i tried sudo apt-get git-core
[16:05] <avihay> and?
[16:05] <Synjunitzu> :/
[16:05] <Synjunitzu> let me get the message for yu
[16:06] <BluesKaj> avihay, sudo apt-get install git-core
[16:06] <Synjunitzu> yeah that one
[16:06] <Synjunitzu> E: Couldn't find package git-core
[16:07] <Synjunitzu> where am i going wrong
[16:07] <avihay> try to run sudo apt-get update first
[16:07] <Synjunitzu> okay
[16:08] <Synjunitzu> Woah!
[16:08] <Synjunitzu> okay cool
[16:08] <avihay> !info git-core
[16:08]  * Synjunitzu waits
[16:09] <avihay> BluesKaj: "In component main" means everyone has it with the deafulr repositories.list, right?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Synjunitzu, open your package manager and enable the canonical partner repositories, ans also the the "other sioftware sources" reositories, then sudo apt-get update.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> Synjunitzu, then you'l ahve access to most apps available
[16:10] <Synjunitzu> how do I cancel an update?
[16:10] <BluesKaj> don't
[16:10] <Synjunitzu> already did
[16:10] <Synjunitzu> :/
[16:11] <BluesKaj> close your package manager Synjunitzu , thenupdate again
[16:11] <Synjunitzu> okay
[16:11] <Synjunitzu> yur talking about KPackageKit right?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> yup, whatever one you use
[16:12] <Synjunitzu> okay
[16:12] <Synjunitzu> just the defaults right now.. just installed Kubuntu
[16:12] <Synjunitzu> 1st intro to linux
[16:14] <BluesKaj> Synjunitzu,did you enable the repositories I posted ?
[16:14] <Synjunitzu> enabled
[16:15] <Synjunitzu> when I closed the config it immediately started Downloading additional package files.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Synjunitzu, ok , now open a terminal/konsole , type: sudo apt-get update
[16:16] <Synjunitzu> just waiting for it to finish 1st
[16:16] <BluesKaj> it's not down loading it's just updating your available sources
[16:17] <Synjunitzu> oh? then howcome its got a download speed at the speed of my internet connection showing?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> it's upgrading your existing applications
[16:17] <jensoko> Synjunitzu, welcome to kubuntu--you'll get the hang of it in no time! :) Thx for help gang!
[16:18] <Synjunitzu> lol tnx
[16:18] <Synjunitzu> File 48 of 63 at 52.4kB/s
[16:18] <Synjunitzu> ?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> upgrading the installed apps , bringing them up to date , since the install cd was created
[16:19] <Synjunitzu> okay cool
[16:19] <Synjunitzu> so..
[16:19] <Synjunitzu> Terminal
[16:19] <Synjunitzu> sudo apt-get update
[16:19] <Synjunitzu> ?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> finished?
[16:20] <Synjunitzu> running
[16:21] <BluesKaj> let it finish , then sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:21] <Synjunitzu> okay
[16:21] <N|ghtWo|f> how can i install opengl libraries ?
[16:22] <sabgenton> is  the netbook editon wubi compadible?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> N|ghtWo|f, they should be installed by default
[16:24] <Synjunitzu> how do I pause the upgrade?
[16:25] <avihay> N|ghtWo|f: you men for development / programming
[16:25] <BluesKaj> sabgenton, is it listed in available OSs on wubi ?
[16:25] <erigais> hello everyone, i am looking for help with, -> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3113614.0
[16:25] <N|ghtWo|f> avihay: trying to compile opencascade. but it say cant find opengl
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Synjunitzu, just let it run in the background
[16:26] <Synjunitzu> I have to pause to allow for extra bandwidth.. :/
[16:26] <Synjunitzu> not my internet
[16:26] <sabgenton> BluesKaj: the website didn't look conclusive
[16:26] <sabgenton> did say kubuntu though
[16:27] <Badegakk> Why dows *ubuntu come with old nvidia drivers? And where can i find easy to install new drivers
[16:28] <BluesKaj> sabgenton,http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu
[16:28] <avihay> you need libgl-dev N|ghtWo|f
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Badegakk, open system/hardware drivers , choose the recomended driver and install
[16:29] <sabgenton> huh?
[16:29] <sabgenton> I don't want ubuntu
[16:29] <sabgenton> I want kubuntu netbook edition
[16:30] <sabgenton> runing from a wubi install
[16:30] <Synjunitzu> doesnt Kubuntu normal edition work for netbooks too? im running it on a netbook
[16:30] <Badegakk> BluesKaj, The driver they recomend are pretty old drivers compared what is availble on nvidia.com
[16:30] <BluesKaj> sabgenton, it's the same , just different desktops , if ubuntu works then kubuntu is designed to do so as well
[16:30] <sabgenton> eck got kicked
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Badegakk, yes and the the proprietary drivers may be unstable on lucid, but that's your choice
[16:32] <erigais> how do you get a list of channels using quassel?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> sabgenton, it's the same , just different desktops , if ubuntu works then kubuntu is designed to do so as well
[16:32] <BluesKaj> !list in the server box , erigais ?
[16:33] <sabgenton> but sometimes the netbook edition of ubuntu is diferent
[16:33] <sabgenton> like it used to come as .img not a .iso
[16:33] <erigais> ah ok, i was just curious
[16:33] <BluesKaj> sabgenton, is there a netbook chat?
[16:33] <sabgenton> BluesKaj: did that webpage say someware that the ubuntu netbook edition works with wubi?
[16:34] <sabgenton> don't think so
[16:34] <sabgenton> the topic of this chanel has netbook in it
[16:34] <BluesKaj> sabgenton, do some research on the net , maybe the forums might have something
[16:35] <sabgenton> yep
[16:35] <sabgenton> just seeing if anybody new
[16:35] <sabgenton> mis as well try it
[16:35] <BluesKaj> sabgenton, but this isn't a wubi support channel as such
[16:36] <sabgenton> but wubi is offically supported
[16:36] <sabgenton> thats a hard call
[16:36] <erigais> is this a support channel? or just general kubuntu users?
[16:36] <BluesKaj>  /join #wubi
[16:36] <sabgenton> ok fair call
[16:36] <BluesKaj> erigais, it's asupport channel
[16:36] <erigais> i've been trying to get internal mic to work and i've been failing
[16:37] <sabgenton> er ok you should check if chanels exist befor you post them
[16:37] <erigais> im starting to think, that, internal mics and *ubuntus just dont go together.
[16:37] <BluesKaj> erigais, did you check alsamixer in the terminal?
[16:37] <erigais> yes
[16:37] <erigais> its not even listed in there
[16:37] <erigais> no capture or anything
[16:38] <erigais> i see a micboost and i tried turning it up  but no go
[16:38] <BluesKaj> does alsamixer show your soundcard , erigais ?
[16:39] <sabgenton> erigais: internal mics do work (no saying your's will)
[16:39] <erigais> yeah it does
[16:39] <erigais> i got sound working with asla and all, just stuck on this damn mic problem
[16:39] <sabgenton> I mean ubuntu does have suport for interal mics
[16:39] <sabgenton> mine works
[16:39] <BluesKaj> not muted with an M in the box I hope
[16:39] <erigais> keeping me from using skype
[16:39] <erigais> nah its not muted, i cant even find it in anymixers
[16:40] <erigais> kmix or alsamix
[16:40] <BluesKaj> erigais, running pulseaudio ?
[16:41] <erigais> no
[16:41] <BluesKaj> erigais, which soundcard ?
[16:42] <erigais> intel a269
[16:42] <erigais> im using a laptop
[16:42] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[16:42] <BluesKaj> I have a similar card on my laptop
[16:45] <erigais> i think this was the page i used to get my sound working buy my mic is being lame
[16:45] <erigais> do usb mics work with kubuntu?
[17:01] <erigais> using drivers from the realtek site
[17:01] <erigais> hope this works
[17:13] <erigais> if my capture bar in aslamix says ----- does that means it doesnt find anything?
[17:16] <erigais> hah cool, i fixed it
[17:17] <avihay> erigais: I have an internal mic, using kmix, I can make it to work, it requiters a lot of messing around (Intel sound card) and it has a noise reduction feature that isn't supported by the Linux driver, apparently, that causes it to have a constant DC voltage that makes it's sound quality rather low
[17:18] <erigais> im not sure what i did to fix it, but i got the drivers from the realtek site, and rebooted and it seemed to start working
[17:20] <erigais> damn im so happy right now
[17:21] <BluesKaj> get the mic to work, erigais ?
[17:21] <erigais> yep yep
[17:22] <erigais> ty you all for the help
[17:22] <ct529> hi guys! is there a way of downloading an entire email box including folders structure using kontact / kmail (or anything else)?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> I was gone for a few , ..what did you do to fix it so I know whan someone else has that prob, erigais?
[17:22] <erigais> i went to the realtek site and got their linux drivers
[17:23] <BluesKaj> erigais, that helps :)
[17:24] <erigais> yeah it does, i wish i did that first it was alot easier then doing the alsa drivers
[17:24] <illunatic> who's having mic issues?
[17:24] <erigais> i was, but i fixed it :D
[17:25] <illunatic> good i just went through a whole ordeal with mine
[17:25] <erigais> lol yeah, only took me about 3 days XD
[17:25] <BluesKaj> erigais, i assumed the default drivers would work , but with intel one b=never knows
[17:26] <erigais> yeah the default ones worked sound and everything, just no internal mic, i didnt have a mic to test my mic jack
[17:26] <illunatic> erigais: http://illunatic.greenpirate.org/mic-doesnt-work-on-kubuntu-10-04-inspiron-1501-fix/
[17:29] <illunatic> is "module" pretty much a generic term for many different things?
[17:29] <erigais> damn im so happpy i got this working... now with skype working it might be a real long time before booting into windows
[17:30] <illunatic> if you really want to figure out how to get your system working well with kubuntu, just install it over windows xD
[17:31] <erigais> lol
[17:31] <erigais> yeah, i bet!
[17:31] <illunatic> i recommend an externall HDD to save anything important and being prepared to reinstall when things get fubar and you are jsut at a loss
[17:31] <erigais> i might now tho actually
[17:31] <erigais> i dont really have nothing important, i just wont be able to replace my windows 7
[17:31] <illunatic> you don't have the registration key?
[17:32] <erigais> i got all the software i normally use working on kubuntu
[17:32] <erigais> nah it came preloaded on my laptop, i can probably recovery partition it back
[17:32] <erigais> -if- i wanted it back
[17:32] <illunatic> it should still have a key afaik
[17:32] <erigais> windows 7 really pisses me off tho, i really hate it, which is why i installed kubuntu in the first place
[17:32] <James147> erigais: the key should come attached to you computer...
[17:33] <BluesKaj> erigais, install it as dualboot
[17:33] <illunatic> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/osproductkeys/f/windows-7-serial-key.htm
[17:33] <erigais> yeah i got it dualboot atm
[17:33] <James147> (normally on a sticker)
[17:33] <erigais> ah yeah, on a sticker on the bottom
[17:33] <illunatic> yeah it usually is on the machine. usually in back for desktops i think
[17:34] <James147> or the bottom of laptops
[17:34] <illunatic> but if it makes you feel better, i've never installed windows 7 and i'm doing fine :D
[17:34] <James147> (managed to remove his xp one without ripping it off his netbook :D
[17:35] <illunatic> sweet mine is still there
[17:35] <James147> ^^ personally I like win 7 better then xp... (and vista), its allot more stable on my computer... well after I removed all the anoying stuff from it that is :)
[17:35] <illunatic> crap it's a vista key
[17:35] <illunatic> useless
[17:35] <erigais> getting everything to work with kubuntu has been really tough, but, to be honest it was also easier then i expected
[17:35] <erigais> especially compared to the last version of linux i used... slackware ; ;
[17:36] <James147> :)
[17:37] <BluesKaj> I'm disappointed in kubuntu support for ati onboard graphics , the last LTS 8.10 had great support for them ...beginning to think it might be a better OS fro this older pc
[17:38] <James147> BluesKaj: yeah, I am suprised at some of the driver choises they made in lucid...the default nvidia ones dont work with some mobile cards
[17:39] <James147> as well ^^
[17:39] <illunatic> i used a cracked version of xp for a couple years
[17:39] <illunatic> i actually moved to kubuntu because i wanted something more secure
[17:40] <erigais> my ati drivers were really tough to get working in ubuntu, but for some reason in kubuntu it was really easy, they autodetected and installed no problem
[17:41] <James147> I just wanted something that I didnt have to pay stupid amounts to get basic functionality (office, anti virus etc...)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> James147, the thing that's bothersome to me is that W7 runs great on this pc
[17:41] <erigais> i was really scared cuz everywhere i was reading people were talkin about how crap ati was for getting to work
[17:42] <James147> BluesKaj: yeah, but they dont have the restriction of having to pack only opensource stuff on their installer
[17:42] <BluesKaj> I upped my RAM to 2G , and that made a significant diff
[17:43] <James147> I am tempted to up my netbook to 2gig as well... (all my other comps have that)
[17:43] <illunatic> yeah it took too much time to find and configure pirated software for basic day to day stuff
[17:43]  * James147 notes that we should probally more to #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:43] <BluesKaj> yeah ,ms can write proper drivers
[17:43] <BluesKaj> and ppl pay for that
[17:45] <Synjunitzu> anyone know how I can get multimonitor support?
[17:45] <James147> Synjunitzu: for what graphics card/driver?
[17:46] <Synjunitzu> um not sure. let me check
[17:46] <Synjunitzu> lol k ... how do i do dxdiag in kubuntu lol
[17:46] <Synjunitzu> ..
[17:47] <James147> Synjunitzu: :)  run this: "lspci | grep VGA"
[17:48] <Synjunitzu> okay
[17:48] <Synjunitzu> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[17:49] <James147> Synjunitzu: hmm, should be able to configure that one through the system settings
[17:49] <Synjunitzu> i tried.
[17:49] <Synjunitzu> it gives me this msg
[17:49] <Synjunitzu> ..
[17:50] <Synjunitzu> This module is only for configuring systems with a single desktop spread across multiple monitors. You do not appear to have this configuration.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> restricted to vga output , Synjunitzu
[17:50] <selor> como usar netcat
[17:51] <Synjunitzu> :/ ive got a monitor attached to my netbook.
[17:51] <James147> Synjunitzu: not on that page, on the "size and orientation" page
[17:51] <Synjunitzu> oh?
[17:51] <Synjunitzu> looking
[17:52] <James147> Synjunitzu: that age is for drivers that configure both screens to behave like one big desktop (kde needs to then split oit back up... which is what that dialog is for)
[17:52] <James147> that page ^^
[17:52] <Mad_Dud> Hi guys, does anybody know, what happened if i have only "other" option in add network printer window? previously i've had couple printers added there without any problems
[17:52] <Mad_Dud> i run kubuntu 10.04
[17:52] <James147> (like nvidias twinview mode, the intel ones dont do that as far as I know))
[18:04] <Synjunitzu> it keeps reseting kubuntu
[18:04] <Synjunitzu> whenever i make the change
[18:06] <James147> Synjunitzu: hmm, try running krandrtray...
[18:06] <James147> (isnt sure if that helped or not..)
[18:07] <Synjunitzu> okay
[18:07] <Mad_Dud> This is, how my printing options look like: http://i.imgur.com/DdP1w.png http://i.imgur.com/fmGGO.png
[18:08] <Mad_Dud> do you know, what can i do with that? the "smb" printer option is missing ...
[18:10] <Peace-> hi channel
[18:19] <Synjunitzu> ok so I've done the sudo apt-get upgrade now.
[18:19] <Synjunitzu> what next?
[18:19] <Synjunitzu> lol
[18:24] <James147> Synjunitzu: its normally best to run: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" << the first command makes sure that you get the latest versions in the repos (as it refreshs the packagelist)
[18:24] <James147> Synjunitzu: and for the "what next?" that depends on what you want/need to do :)
[18:25] <Synjunitzu> running that command
[18:25] <James147> Synjunitzu: its recomended to install "kubuntu-restricted-extras" if you want multimedia support for restricted formats (like mp3s)
[18:25] <Synjunitzu> well.. I want youtube to begin with
[18:25] <Synjunitzu> as well as both my monitors displaying correctly
[18:25] <James147> Synjunitzu: ^^ the above should install falsh as well
[18:26] <Synjunitzu> okay
[18:26] <James147> (if not then install "flashplugin-installer"
[18:26] <Synjunitzu> tnx :)
[18:27] <Synjunitzu> where can I find a list of all the repositories with contents
[18:27] <James147> Synjunitzu: as for the resalutions, if the krandrtray dosnt restore the settings you can create a script to manually run xrandr and place it in System settings > advanced > Autostart (on kde 4.4)
[18:28] <Synjunitzu> no0o0 whered yu go!
[18:28] <Synjunitzu> lol
[18:28] <Daskreech> Synjunitzu: What do you mean all the repositories ?
[18:28] <Synjunitzu> well yeah
[18:28] <Pici> Synjunitzu: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[18:29] <Synjunitzu> thankyu :)
[18:30] <Synjunitzu> James147: My monitor resolution changes although it just suddenly resets kubuntu..
[18:32] <James147> Synjunitzu: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01  might be useful
[18:33] <Synjunitzu> okay ive just done the sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer and youtube still isnt working :/ ie the flash part
[18:33] <Synjunitzu> whats up :/
[18:33] <James147> Synjunitzu: did you restart your browser?
[18:34] <James147> (or might be better, logout and back in... flash can be finiky about things...)
[18:34] <Mad_Dud> guys, please give me a clue, how to solve my printer problems - lack of smb option to add it: http://i.imgur.com/DdP1w.png http://i.imgur.com/fmGGO.png
[18:34] <Mad_Dud> it was working couple of weeks ago
[18:35] <Synjunitzu> working now.
[18:36] <James147> Mad_Dud: you could try configuing cups directly by going to http://localhost:631/ in your browser
[18:36] <Mad_Dud> page empty
[18:36] <Mad_Dud> which daemon should be running?
[18:36] <Mad_Dud> cupsd ?
[18:36] <James147> yeah
[18:37] <Synjunitzu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEfb-I1oy40&feature=popular
[18:37] <Synjunitzu> lmao
[18:37] <Pici> !ot
[18:37] <Synjunitzu> sorry lol
[18:37] <Synjunitzu> wont happen again :)
[18:38] <Mad_Dud> James147: bingo, cups wasn't running
[18:38] <Mad_Dud> cheers
[18:40] <Synjunitzu> James147: that script wont help me. since whats happening is my kubuntu is change to the correct monitor modes yes but. its reseting itself like a second after its been set.
[18:40] <Synjunitzu> changing*
[18:41] <Synjunitzu> !winamp
[18:41] <Synjunitzu> ?
[18:42] <Synjunitzu> hmm
[18:42] <James147> Synjunitzu: ^^ I like amarok better then winamp :)
[18:42] <James147> (kdes default)
[18:42] <Peace-> amarok rulez
[18:43] <Peace-> but i still prefer vlc
[18:43] <Peace-> :D
[18:43] <Synjunitzu> loading it up
[18:43]  * James147 hates vlc
[18:43] <avihay> I recommend qmmp
[18:43] <Peace-> James147: lol
[18:43] <avihay> I use it with the winamp classic skin
[18:43] <v3nd3tta``> back :D
[18:43] <Synjunitzu> i like winamps simplicity tho
[18:43] <James147> Peace-: its always been less stable the kaffeine on my computers
[18:43] <Synjunitzu> skins?
[18:43] <Synjunitzu> qmmp?
[18:43] <Peace-> James147: really vlc less stable than kaffeince?
[18:44] <avihay> http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/index_en.php
[18:44] <v3nd3tta``> hey James147 BluesKaj :D wtf where is eagles?
[18:44] <James147> Peace-: for me it seemed to be :)
[18:44] <Peace-> wow
[18:44] <James147> v3nd3tta``: hey... he seems to be in offtopic :)
[18:45] <v3nd3tta``> ah, didn't look so far :D
[18:45] <v3nd3tta``> someone spammed me with my name :D
[18:45] <James147> Peace-: (then again, i havent tryed it in ages)
[18:45] <v3nd3tta``> but not here :P
[18:46] <v3nd3tta``> gah i had vlc long time ago but i am happy now with amarok and dragon player
[18:46] <avihay> Synjunitzu: if you want, I can dig out where I found my skin
[18:46] <tjingboem> hi! i lost all my icons on the taskbar. How can i get them back?
[18:46] <Synjunitzu> please
[18:46] <James147> v3nd3tta``: I prefure kaffeine for its playlists, I like to que serires when i watch tehm so I dont ahve to get up every episode
[18:46]  * Daskreech likes kaffeine
[18:46] <Peace-> James147: i always used vlc
[18:47] <Peace-> :S
[18:47] <v3nd3tta``> idk i used vlc last before i got a backdoor trojan at win xp
[18:47] <v3nd3tta``> but it needed long to load anything even with 4gb ram
[18:47] <Synjunitzu> lol
[18:47] <avihay> Synjunitzu:  http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Winamp+Classic+Skin+for+XMMS?content=78723
[18:47] <Peace-> really strange
[18:47] <Synjunitzu> looking
[18:48] <v3nd3tta``> but what do you do with a backdoor trojan?
[18:48] <v3nd3tta``> format him under linux :D
[18:48] <James147> Synjunitzu: I dont see the point in skinning single applications... I then to just modify the theme of them all and keep a uniformed look :)
[18:48] <v3nd3tta``> since then i did not use windows any time again (exept school where i even tried to boot from live cd kubuntu 10.04 at the release date)
[18:49] <v3nd3tta``> but school computers suck
[18:49]  * James147 notes that we drifted offtopic again :)
[18:49] <v3nd3tta``> yeah
[18:49]  * v3nd3tta`` hides
[18:53]  * avihay wonders why kubuntu dumped the feature complete kaffein in favor of a "not so nice" hackjob like dragon player
[18:54] <Daskreech> avihay: it was not feature complete
[18:54] <James147> avihay: they didnt, kaffeine is still part of kde as far as I know
[18:54] <James147> avihay: they just use the simple dragon as the default as thats what most people need
[18:54] <Daskreech> James147: Kubuntu and KDE are different things
[18:55] <James147> Daskreech: yeah, miss read... but the point still stands
[18:55] <Daskreech> avihay was complaining about kubuntu :)
[18:55] <avihay> I think the answer is that kaffein was for kde3, and they wanted to move to kde4 only software, and kaffein for kde4 today is not feature complete
[18:56] <James147> avihay: it is more so then dragonplayer... :)
[18:56] <Synjunitzu> should I sudo apt-get install firefox or get it from the website?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> v3nd3tta``, eagles was here this morning , but I had to leave so we din't chat ..he's still listed in offtopic
[18:57] <James147> Synjunitzu: through apt-get is usually better
[18:57] <Synjunitzu> okay
[18:57] <James147> Synjunitzu: but using the firefox installer in the menus is best
[18:57] <Daskreech> avihay: yes that would be the answer
[18:57] <James147> (it also installs support for kde)
[18:57] <v3nd3tta``> yeah i already saw him there BluesKaj :D welcome back to idling
[18:57] <Synjunitzu> menu's?
[18:57] <avihay> true, but kaffein moved from being my default player in kubuntu with kde3 to something I don't run anymore because it just doesn't work
[18:58] <Synjunitzu> ahh
[18:58] <Synjunitzu> i c
[18:58] <Daskreech> avihay: install kaffiene It's almost back to KDE3 days except without DVB suppor
[18:58] <BluesKaj> gotta go for now ...bbl
[18:58] <Daskreech> t should get it next release which might flip Kubuntu back to discuss kaffiene vs Dragon again
[18:58] <Daskreech> bye BluesKaj
[19:00] <avihay> OMG, kaffein really doesn't work for me (never uninstalled it) (thought it wasn't working due to my compositing manager)
[19:00] <avihay> audio is fine, window expands to the size of the video, no video
[19:00] <Synjunitzu> how do yu get info on a program through sudo apt-get ?
[19:01] <James147> avihay: there is a bug in the current verion in lucid, you need to stiwch tabs to get video
[19:01] <Torch> Synjunitzu: no sudo. apt-get show <package>
[19:01] <avihay> no drag and drop support!!!
[19:01] <Synjunitzu> okay
[19:01] <James147> avihay: there isnt? (remembers there was)
[19:01] <Torch> Synjunitzu: you can sudo, of course. but root privs are not required for that.
[19:02] <avihay> switch tabs how? is switching to full screen enough?
[19:02] <Synjunitzu> cool
[19:02] <James147> avihay: no, need to change to one of the tabs with a video in (playlist or tv)... its been fixed in svn
[19:02] <avihay> ok, I see the tabs
[19:02] <avihay> thanks
[19:07] <Synjunitzu> So James147, what do yu think I should do about my monitors?
[19:07] <avihay> no support for built in subtitles in mkv or ogm, can't select audio or video tracks... stuff that were a given in kaffein kde3, so, no, it has a long way to go, but still dragon player doesn't get to kaffein's knees
[19:07] <Synjunitzu> it changes. but it just resets kubuntu back to default after.
[19:09] <James147> Synjunitzu: configure xorg and use xrandr
[19:10] <James147> (which the link i sent before shows you how to)
[19:10] <Synjunitzu> :/ okay whats the link again sorry?
[19:10] <KittyBoots> Does ubuntu require swap?
[19:11] <James147> Synjunitzu: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01
[19:11] <Synjunitzu> thanx James147 :)
[19:11] <James147> KittyBoots: that depends on your computer and what you want to do
[19:11] <Torch> KittyBoots: linux does not require swap per se.
[19:12] <KittyBoots> What is the appropriate terminal command to display system memory?
[19:12] <Torch> KittyBoots: free
[19:13] <James147> or "free -m" to make it easier to read :)
[19:13] <KittyBoots> How much memory and swap is optimum for ubuntu 10.04?
[19:13] <James147> KittyBoots: depends on your computer
[19:14] <Daskreech> avihay: Dragon player was never intended to
[19:14] <James147> KittyBoots: ^^ I would recomend 1 gig or more ram, but thats not the minimum requirement
[19:15] <James147> KittyBoots: it should be able to run with 512, or even 256 (although its not recomended to use it on 256, you would get horrible preformance)
[19:15] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: Depends on what you are doing with it
[19:16] <KittyBoots> What is the command to display my prossessor stats?
[19:16] <Daskreech> 256 is a low minimum but I wouldn't call that "using" it
[19:16] <James147> ^^ but yes, it entirly depends on what you want to do with it :)
[19:16] <avihay> cpu usage or cpu capabilitys?
[19:16] <Synjunitzu> I run kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and im definitely not getting what theyre talking about
[19:16] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: sudo lshw -c CPU
[19:17] <KittyBoots> Daskreech; I am building a media editing machine and trying to do my best to ensure that it is as optimum as I can make it.
[19:18] <KittyBoots> I am trying ArtistX
[19:18] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: ah well then assuming you will do video at some point as much RAM as you can throw at it
[19:18] <KittyBoots> Daskreech; for now I am just working with what I've got and that's 875mb.
[19:19] <Daskreech> that's more than I has
[19:19] <Daskreech> had
[19:19] <avihay> with swap it should be more then fine
[19:20] <KittyBoots> avihay; how much swap would be optimum?
[19:20] <Badegakk> i have manged to fix the sudo issue, i have one question. Is it posible to watch video from a share using the network from the tab in dolphin. I can browse folders and copy and move files but i cant watch them, neither in vlc or dragon player. Do i realy have to use client like smb4k?
[19:20] <avihay> "they say" somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 of your ram size
[19:21] <Hoschi> hi could anyone give me a link to a description to configure wine for starcraft 2
[19:21] <Synjunitzu> is kubuntu resetting; a normal thing after setting up different monitors?
[19:21] <James147> KittyBoots: how much ram do you have? (sorry droped out fir abit :) )
[19:21] <Badegakk> I use 2 x the ram size for my swap, never had any issue
[19:21] <Pici> !appdb | Hoschi
[19:22] <James147> Badegakk: 2x ram isnt always needed, espically for larger ammounts (when swap isent needed at all unless you want to hybernate)
[19:22] <Hoschi> thank you
[19:22] <KittyBoots> James147; 875mb
[19:23] <James147> KittyBoots: then 1 gig of swap should be enough :)
[19:23] <KittyBoots> James147; cool thanks!
[19:23] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: The rule of thumb is about 2X your RAM till you hit 1GB of ram then 1-1.5 GB should be fine
[19:24] <Synjunitzu> :(
[19:24] <Synjunitzu> 2 monitors
[19:26] <KittyBoots> What is the optimum placement of the swap, before or after root partition?
[19:26] <Badegakk> James147, true, it almost never in use my swap partion. But harddrive space is not an issue on mu setup
[19:26] <James147> KittyBoots: you wont notice much difference
[19:26] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: I don't think you need to tune it that much
[19:27] <KittyBoots> Sure, does it ever make a difference?
[19:27] <James147> KittyBoots: note also that you can create swap files instead of partitions, doing so allows you to easaly resize your swap space without repartitioning
[19:27] <Daskreech> It does but you are talking milliseconds of difference
[19:27] <avihay> theoretically before, but then you have to allocate a tiny partition for the boot-loader
[19:27] <KittyBoots> And are there any commands to display disk stats?
[19:27] <Daskreech> unless you are contstantly swapping and have time cruicial processes waiting on it then you'll never see a difference
[19:28] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: Lots of commands for disk stats
[19:28] <James147> Daskreech: and if you do, then getting more ram is the better option :)
[19:28] <KittyBoots> James147; That's interesting, how do I do that?
[19:28] <James147> basically use dd to create a file of the size you want, then formate that file as swap :)
[19:29] <Daskreech> James147: maybe
[19:29] <Badegakk> anyone who manage to make smb4k work under kubunt 10.04 or 10.10?
[19:29] <James147> there are many guides online as to how to do it
[19:29] <James147> Badegakk: Think I tryed it once, and it worked as expected...
[19:29] <KittyBoots> James147; Sure, what is dd?
[19:30] <Daskreech> KittyBoots: diskduplicator
[19:30] <Daskreech> it copies something bit for bit somewhere else
[19:30] <Badegakk> James147, do mount your shares in fstab or do you use another client to watch video files from a share?
[19:30] <KittyBoots> I'll have to check on this.
[19:30] <James147> KittyBoots: a command for copying data at the disk level
[19:31] <KittyBoots> Thanks a lot for the help.
[19:31] <James147> KittyBoots: but since linux uses files to represent devices, dd (and mkfs.swap, or any other disk util) also work on files :D
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Badegakk, just use networking in dolphin using "add network folder" which lists several oprions dependeing on the pcs to which you want to connect
[19:32] <James147> KittyBoots: this might be of intrest: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[19:34] <James147> KittyBoots: spicifically, for creating a swap file: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How%20do%20I%20add%20more%20swap?
[19:36] <Badegakk> BluesKaj, is micrsoft windows network drive for windows shares?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Badegakk, yes
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Badegakk, of course the share will need a user and password
[19:38] <KittyBoots> James147; this is great, much more orderly and flexible than manipulating partitions.
[19:39] <Badegakk> BluesKaj, i can see all my content, copy and move, but not watch
[19:40] <Badegakk> BluesKaj, i dont think dolphin supports watching large video files
[19:41] <James147> Badegakk: dolphin dosnt support watching videos :) thats dragon players job
[19:41] <James147> Badegakk: and you can watch videos over smb shares
[19:41] <James147> (well, i can do it... no clue how I configued it to though)
[19:42] <Badegakk> James147, not trough dolphin, if mount the share trough fstab or smb4k i can
[19:42] <Synjunitzu> ok i know what the problem is now. when I try set my netbooks display resolution to 1024*900 it resets. anyone know how to get past this?
[19:42] <James147> Badegakk: yes through dolhpin (that how I do it, no mounting or anything)
[19:42] <Synjunitzu> running it on 640*480 now
[19:43] <James147> Badegakk: (it supports it, but I dont know how to configure it to work)
[19:43] <James147> Synjunitzu: configure xorg... (dont personally know how to do it manually, but there shold be lots of guides on google)
[19:44] <Synjunitzu> how can i configure xorg theres nothing in it.
[19:44] <hawkI> Synjunitzu: distro?
[19:44] <Badegakk> hmm. wierd
[19:44] <James147> Synjunitzu: by default 10.04 dosnt have an xorg.conf file, but if you create one it will use it
[19:47] <Synjunitzu> well :/ wondering how to create one now
[19:47]  * Synjunitzu googles
[19:48] <James147> Synjunitzu: its just a file, so "kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (and saving) will create an empty one... dont know how to write one though, but there are lots of guides for configuing xorg
[19:48] <Synjunitzu> yeah thats what I mean
[19:49] <Synjunitzu> the writing of it
[19:50] <James147> Synjunitzu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1437980#2
[19:50] <James147> might be helpful :)
[19:50] <Synjunitzu> tnx James147
[19:50] <BluesKaj> Synjunitzu, this also works on 10.04 , I used it myself , http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/ubuntu-9-10/xorg-conf-file-create-on-ubuntu-9-10/
[19:51] <James147> Synjunitzu: comment #8 on that page might work
[19:52] <James147> ^^ the one I linked that is
[19:52] <Synjunitzu> tnx BluesKaj
[19:52] <Synjunitzu> okay
[19:53] <James147> (which says much the same thing as BluesKaj link, but BluesKaj's explains the steps beter :)
[19:54] <Synjunitzu> hmm reading
[20:03] <Synjunitzu> anyone know hot to make the task bar float?
[20:03] <James147> Synjunitzu: float?
[20:03] <Synjunitzu> yeah.
[20:03] <Synjunitzu> lol
[20:04] <Synjunitzu> like how windows can float
[20:04] <Synjunitzu> and widget
[20:04] <Synjunitzu> widgets*
[20:05] <EagleScreen_> you mean put it as a widget on the Desktop
[20:05] <Synjunitzu> yeah
[20:05] <James147> Synjunitzu: ... not sure how that would work...? (what is if you want it to be visable when applications are covering it?, if not then just rightclick the desktop > add widgets > find "Task Manager" > drag to where you want it)
[20:05] <Synjunitzu> the whole task bar
[20:05] <Synjunitzu> hmm
[20:05] <James147> Synjunitzu: note that everything on the panel (and desktop) is a widget and can be added this way and placed anywher you like :)
[20:06] <djmao> hola
[20:06] <Synjunitzu> okay cool
[20:06] <James147> Synjunitzu: oo, and there is a dash board you can place things on as well
[20:06] <Synjunitzu> im just trying to figure out a work around
[20:06] <James147> Synjunitzu: workaround for what?
[20:06] <Synjunitzu> screen problem
[20:07] <James147> Synjunitzu: the links we sent didnt help?
[20:07] <Synjunitzu> well theyre not the problem
[20:07] <zongo_> hey guys, would need help if possible with my wireless !! the issue is cant get internet connection. I can connect to my AP with no error message at all.
[20:08] <zongo_> but I have no internet connection whatshover
[20:08] <James147> Synjunitzu: then what exactly is the problem?
[20:08] <Synjunitzu> the problem is my Kubuntu keeps reseting everytime I apply the resolution of 1024*600
[20:08] <James147> Synjunitzu: yes, so setting xorg (which sets the resalution before kde is even started) should help
[20:09] <Synjunitzu> oh
[20:09] <Synjunitzu> lol didnt know that
[20:09] <Synjunitzu> googling for an example xorg config now
[20:09] <James147> Synjunitzu: those links we sent show how to set one up
[20:09] <zongo_> sorry, need to rectify that, iwconfig gives me Access Point: Not-associated
[20:10] <zongo_> so that means I cannot associate with my AP for an unknow reason
[20:10] <daskreecH> !xorg
[20:13] <Synjunitzu> shit!
[20:13] <daskreecH> !ohmy
[20:14] <Synjunitzu> um problemo
[20:14] <Synjunitzu> because of my messup up resolution I cant access the... the "start" widget..
[20:15] <Synjunitzu> to get access to krand something?
[20:16] <Synjunitzu> awesome. run utility
[20:16] <James147> Synjunitzu: alt+f2  to get krunner up and run what you want from that
[20:16] <Synjunitzu> yeah found it in right click
[20:17]  * James147 uses krunner as a menu replacment on his netbook AND desktop
[20:20] <DarthFrog> James147: Nice. :-)
[20:21] <DarthFrog> I also supplement krunner with a yakuake sesson.
[20:22] <James147> DarthFrog: o yeah, run yakuake as well :) which I use mostly to replace konsole (although not always)
[20:22] <James147> (at least for running tasks quickly)
[20:23] <DarthFrog> Yakuake is pretty much a more agile Konsole.
[20:24]  * James147 has also configured text files to open in konsole using vim, and to attach to an existing session if there is one :D
[20:24] <DarthFrog> Now that's a nice touch.
[20:24] <James147> DarthFrog: it uses konsole-part so is basically konsole :)
[20:24] <DarthFrog> Right.
[20:25] <Synjunitzu> hmpf.. ok im not gona do this now..
[20:25] <DarthFrog> But in a more ergonomic exoskeleton. :-)
[20:25] <Synjunitzu> its just gona frustrate me
[20:25] <James147> ^^ also the vim window opens at the same position and size :) in the place I most like ot edit things
[20:25] <Synjunitzu> !irc
[20:26] <Synjunitzu> could anyone suggest a different irc application for me? I want to be able to make windows like in mirc
[20:26] <Synjunitzu> !mirc
[20:26] <James147> Synjunitzu: have you tried konversation?
[20:26] <Synjunitzu> didnt even know about it
[20:26] <Synjunitzu> looking now
[20:26] <DarthFrog> Konversation is an excellent IRC client.  I'm using it now.
[20:27] <Synjunitzu> !konversation
[20:27]  * James147 only uses quassel... has everything he really needs and is setup how he likes it :)
[20:27] <James147> !info konversation
[20:27] <Synjunitzu> brb
[20:28] <Synjunitzu> back
[20:30] <Synjunitzu> i think my widget thing just crashed
[20:30] <Synjunitzu> i click add widgets and nothing comes up
[20:30] <James147> Synjunitzu: ... hmm
[20:30] <Synjunitzu> :?
[20:31] <James147> Synjunitzu: its part of plasma, would have thorught if it crashed it would bring down the desktop
[20:31] <Synjunitzu> Lol.
[20:31] <Synjunitzu> well..
[20:31] <Synjunitzu> it isnt showing up
[20:32] <James147> Synjunitzu: lock and unlock the widgets (just a random guess)
[20:32] <Synjunitzu> nope not working
[20:32] <James147> Synjunitzu: if not restart plasma-desktop  (kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 2 && plasma-desktop)
[20:33] <Synjunitzu> locked and unlocked. clicked add widgets still nothing
[20:33] <Synjunitzu> okay
[20:33] <Synjunitzu> ill remember that one
[20:33] <Synjunitzu> working
[20:34] <James147> (note that the sleep 2 just delays the starting, its not needed but I have found that without it plasma-desktop dosnt always come back up
[20:34] <Synjunitzu> cool
[20:34] <James147> (if it dosnt just alt+f2 and run "plasma-desktop"
[20:35] <Synjunitzu> okay
[20:41] <KittyBoots> James147; the install automatically configured a swap partition for me.
[20:42] <James147> KittyBoots: it will do unless you select manual partitioning :)
[20:46] <Synjunitzu> !konversation
[20:46] <James147> !info konversation
[20:46] <Synjunitzu> how do i get it?
[20:46] <Synjunitzu> :/
[20:47] <Synjunitzu> Konversation
[20:47] <v3nd3tta``> first try to search it about kpackagekit
[20:47] <James147> Synjunitzu: "sudo aptitude insstall konversation" or through kpackagekit (or apt-get instead of aptitude)
[20:47] <Synjunitzu> installing
[20:47] <Synjunitzu> yeah
[20:48] <Synjunitzu> hmm okay
[20:48] <v3nd3tta``> it's a good irc client, but what you're now using Synjunitzu ?
[20:48] <v3nd3tta``> Quassel?
[20:48] <Synjunitzu> yip
[20:48] <v3nd3tta``> why do you want to change?
[20:49] <Synjunitzu> because I like seperating my chats into seperate windows
[20:49] <Synjunitzu> so im looking for that feature
[20:51] <markit> hi, how can I have the choice of the sytem locales to use? dpkg-reconfigure locales does not ask me (while in debian does), kubunut 10.04
[20:54] <KittyBoots> What is the keyring used by the network manager applet?
[20:55] <KittyBoots> It keeps asking me for a password but not accepting it.
[20:56] <James147> KittyBoots: kwallet stores passwords,
[20:56] <KittyBoots> James147; it is not cooperating with me.
[20:57] <KittyBoots> I have to deny it.
[20:57] <KittyBoots> How do I configure it?
[20:58] <James147> KittyBoots: kwallet? or knetworkmanger?
[20:58] <KittyBoots> How do I dissasociate the two?
[20:59] <James147> KittyBoots: knetwrokmanager stores its passwords in kwallet (so it will ask for a network key first, then ask you to create a wallet)
[20:59] <KittyBoots> Do I have to create a wallet?
[21:00] <James147> KittyBoots: no
[21:00] <James147> KittyBoots: the first time a program trys to access one, it will prompt you to create it (a dialog with two password fields will appear and a strength indicator)
[21:01] <James147> KittyBoots: my guess is knetworkmanager is having problems with the network key?
[21:01] <KittyBoots> I don't know, somethings not working properly.  This seems to be . . . acting strangely.
[21:01] <KittyBoots> Maybe, I'll try changing things.
[21:02] <James147> KittyBoots: knetworkmanager has a few kinks still... what encryption are you using?
[21:03] <KittyBoots> The ssid is hidden and the encryption is wpa & wpa2 personal 36 character.
[21:03] <James147> KittyBoots: hmm, hidden ssid, dont know how well knetworkmanager handels them...
[21:04] <James147> KittyBoots: do you have a wired connection at all?
[21:05] <KittyBoots> James147; No.  I am on 2 computers.  This is my main unit and the other is the one I am installing on.
[21:07] <KittyBoots> James147; but if I do have a router that is not being used.  If I could do internet connection sharing with this machine and use the router to share the connection than I would.  But I have never done that before and that was not on my list of things to do today.
[21:10] <James147> KittyBoots: would it be possible to temporly connect the new computer instead to install a few things? (the other option is to configure the internet connection via command line, which i dont know how to do with wireless:) )
[21:11] <KittyBoots> James147; I am too far from the router to connect.
[21:15] <James147> KittyBoots: I suggest you try to install "wicd" it handles wireless better then networkmanager does atm... (easiet to do with a wired connection if at all possible... but there are allot of guides on howto configure teh wireless via command line if thats not possible)
[21:15] <KittyBoots> James147; sure thanks.
[21:38] <markit> solved
[21:49] <zongo_> Could anyone point toward a complete guide for sound in Kubuntu ?
[21:52] <zongo_> I have googled but could not find anything that explains me how sound works Kubuntu
[21:52] <zongo_> in particular for specific app that are not part of KDE
[21:52] <James147> !sound
[21:55] <zongo_> I have no issue with sound
[21:56] <zongo_> I just needed a good guide (not a sysadmin one) but a guide that would explain the way sound is handled in Kubuntu
[21:59] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[22:01] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help me , i am using kde with  bespin  but having  a problem  with dragon and kaffeine  not show the video image .
[22:02] <Synjunitzu> how do I restart plasma again? lost the command
[22:04] <DoctorPepper> Synjunitzu: kquitapp plasma-desktop  && plasma-desktop
[22:06] <Freddy2> hi
[22:07] <James147> DoctorPepper: what version of kde? and does it behave the same when using oxygen?
[22:07] <Freddy2> is there any good solution to the dolphin lag problem in 4.5.x? i did read something about libdbus, and also found an alternative packaging ppa, but i'm not sure if this is the right solution
[22:08] <James147> Freddy2: Think that problem is caused by the info panel (and/or tooltips) try closeing that (I have had not problems with dolphin lagging, but I havent had the info panel open in along time)
[22:10] <arzu> hi
[22:10] <arzu> can speak Turkish anyone here?
[22:10] <Scunizi> For the last month CUPS does not start on boot... I have to manually start the demon.  How do I fix that?
[22:10] <Freddy2> i did close this panel, but the problem it's still there.. and tooltips? can you disable them? where?
[22:11] <DoctorPepper> James147:  kde 4.4, and it behaves the same way on oxygen
[22:14] <DoctorPepper> James147: any idea ???
[22:17] <James147> DoctorPepper: try chaging tabs in kaffeine
[22:17] <DoctorPepper> same problem
[22:17] <James147> DoctorPepper: different bug then I am thinking of then :)
[22:18] <James147> DoctorPepper: do you have the codecs installed?
[22:18] <James147> (kubuntu-restricted-extras  should ocntain everything you need)
[22:18] <DoctorPepper> all codecs installed
[22:26] <Pavel_10> can anyone help me with making a pen drive boot?
[22:27] <Pavel_10> When I restart, f12, and select "removable devices", there's a pause and then it boots into kubuntu as usual
[22:27] <Pavel_10> I'm trying to boot into ubuntu netbook
[22:30] <James147> Pavel_10: I would use usb-creator-kde or unetbootin to create them
[22:32] <Pavel_10> james147, 've been using the USB startup creator ("usb" option from CL)
[22:34] <James147> Pavel_10: hmm, that should make the drive bootable
[22:34] <Pavel_10> james147, do you know if there's a way to check the install for errors?
[22:34] <James147> Pavel_10: I take bit F12 is the key to select the device to boot from?
[22:34] <Pavel_10> james147 yes
[22:35] <James147> Pavel_10: well, i would do a md5 on the .iso to make sure tahts not cruppt,
[22:35] <James147> !md5
[22:35] <Pavel_10> how do I do that
[22:35] <James147> Pavel_10: if it passes, try rerunning usb-creator and creating the disk again
[22:36] <James147> Pavel_10: read the links ubottu gave
[22:37] <James147> Pavel_10: You might want to note that not all bios's support booting from usb devices, although I dont know how to check this (most if not all modern ones do)
[22:38] <Pavel_10> i'm just trying ubuntu10.4
[22:40] <James147> Pavel_10: note also that you can install ubuntu inside kubuntu (and chose which one you want to load at the login screen) but installing ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop  (or ubuntu-netbook...)
[22:41] <Pavel_10> I'm actually just trying to test my ubuntu-flash drive  so I can use that drive to test out a pc
[22:43] <Pavel_10> james147, i ran the md5sum and checked the number on the hash page, and everything seems to check out
[22:44] <James147> Pavel_10: then try reinstalling it to the flash stick and trying again... if it still dosnt work I am not sure what you can do (I would test it on a nother comp if you have one, it could be that this computer cannot boot from usb)
[22:50] <Freddy2> James147: hmm by closing the panel and relaunching dolphin the problem doesn't seem to be there anymore :) thx
[23:25] <sithlord48> hello all , can anyone help me get the colors back for svn filename (i.e local updated file names had green text)
[23:42] <daskreecH> sithlord48: Where?
[23:42] <sithlord48> dolphin
[23:44] <mado> hello everyone
[23:45] <mado> excuse me everyone but can you help me with this? -> i thought it would be nice to e.g. 1) search for all e.g. PNG-files on some of my hard-disk's folders and 2) put them all in one folder ... is there a way to do this with some commands so that i don't have to click through every folder on my hard disk?
[23:46] <ubuntu> bbb
[23:46] <ubuntu> jjjjj
[23:49] <daskreecH> mado: I'll assume that they are named .png ?
[23:50] <mado> hello daskreecH
[23:50] <daskreecH> mado: Hello
[23:50] <mado> what do you mean with that? ... png-files are ".png" ... yes
[23:50] <daskreecH> mado: Then you can used the find command and do what you want with it
[23:50] <daskreecH> mado: Look up find and exec{} to get an example
[23:51] <mado> ok ... lemme check that ... you mean looking them up in the manpages don't you?
[23:51] <daskreecH> In short you can look up all files in a particular directory that end with .png and then do any action on them for example moving them to this directory
[23:52] <daskreecH> mado: Faster to ask the internet it's a well known and documented problem
[23:52] <daskreecH> You can read the manpage after to see what else you would like to do
[23:52] <djustice> mado: kfind? you can drag'n'drop the results to a dir in dolphin..
[23:52] <daskreecH> find is a very throrough and complex command that often has simple uses
[23:52] <daskreecH> djustice: Or that :)
[23:52] <djustice> ;)
[23:52] <daskreecH> !info kfind
[23:53] <mado> well djustice and daskreecH ... i'm new to linux and all this :) ... i didn't know it could be that easy :)
[23:53] <daskreecH> djustice: best would be nepomuk which would auto add any png file to a virtual directory
[23:53] <daskreecH> mado: It may not always be easy but for the most part it's possible
[23:54] <daskreecH> You have maybe 3-5 options to do what you are asking
[23:54] <daskreecH> the find method from the command line is the most documented
[23:54] <djustice> eh, its always easy. it's just a keyboard/mouse. it might be easier if we just knew a little more about how to achieve what we want..
[23:54] <daskreecH> kfind is probably the easiest
[23:54] <mado> well daskreecH ... djustice ... i'm looking for an easy way ... plus when moving those files ... i don't want any file with the same name to get overwritten
[23:54] <daskreecH> nepomuk would be the best but that's neither documented or easy :)
[23:54] <djustice> mado: it asks. with a 'suggest new name' option.
[23:54] <mado> it's just ... i have quite a few different files ... not only PNGs ...
[23:54] <daskreecH> mado: kfind might be a nice way to start
[23:55] <djustice> daskreecH: heh, in 2014 maybe.
[23:55] <daskreecH> djustice: for easy? or for documented and easy?
[23:55] <daskreecH> I think that Nepomuk will be easy for 2013
[23:55] <daskreecH> might take another year for good end user documentation though
[23:57] <sithlord48> any idea why svn files no longer have colored file names in dolphin?