[00:08] tetsuo----: say, do you happen to have a high-dpi screen? [00:08] For example, 15.4" 1920x1200 is high DPI. [00:09] isn't it normal to define fonts by actual size to avoid that? [00:09] It's a "feature"... it makes your screen bigger. [00:09] Or so Xorg claims. [00:09] It claims my screen is 20 inches. [00:09] http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705 [00:09] Freedesktop bug 23705 in Server/general "xserver 1.7.0rc0 uses wrong dimensions" [Normal,Reopened] [00:09] heh, "makes your screen bigger". [00:10] And with correct DPI, the default font size of 10 is huge. I use 9 or 8.5... but things tend to complain about non-integer font sizes. [00:10] DanaG: One of the problems is that with multiple displays having a single DPI is almost always wrong [00:11] Yeah, but it seems safe to me to err on the side of the higher DPI. [00:11] As it is right now, I had to add a script to run in Xsession.d: xrandr --dpi 147 [00:14] Aaaugh, mein eyes! [00:14] I can see the bigger problem might be that what you thought was the right size of a piece of paper isn't any more [00:14] And lying about the DPI means that 100% zoom in Gimp has no relationship to reality. [00:15] Yeah. [00:15] Same for OpenOffice. [00:15] And Inkscape. [00:15] well, I'm not sure 100% zoom in gimp ever did, but yes in OOo and inkscape [00:15] Gimp has two options for 100%: physical size, or pixels. [00:15] yeh but what's physical size on a photo? [00:16] does jpg or similar have a size? [00:16] Physical size on a photo depends on what DPI the photo claims. [00:16] And actually, the correct unit for displays is Pixels, not Dots, per inch. [00:16] I always use DPI, anyway. [00:16] yeh that's what I'd have expected [00:16] I recently encountered similar problem wanting to print some 4x6 photos.. I ended up using shotwell.. it did what everything else couldnt.. [00:17] * penguin42 would like monitor management in general to be better; for example it really shouldn't assume when you hot plug a monitor that it's always on the right [00:18] Fun with xrandr: freeform transforms. Rotate the whole desktop by 30 degrees. [00:18] DanaG: Or your colleagues by 2 or 3 degrees [00:23] xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 1663x2000) [00:27] 1663 ? [00:31] hello :P is anyone any good at iptables? [00:31] I can do bits; what's the problem? [00:32] well i want to "iptables -I INPUT -p icmp -j DROP " but want to know how to undo it if it makes some program not work [00:33] tacomaster: ufw :P [00:33] iptables -D [00:33] or even better : GUFW [00:33] tacomaster: I think iptables -D INPUT -p icmp -j DROP should [00:34] tacomaster: Having said that, dropping all icmp is bad - icmp is not just ping [00:34] icmp is traceroute and alot of other things [00:34] 3rd protocol in the transport layer :P [00:35] tacomaster: Yeh but my point is it's used by normal thingsl ike mtu discovery I think and that can break normal apps [00:35] tacomaster: Soemthing like --icmp-type echo-request would be more selective I think [00:36] i just dont like the though of being able to be ping or tracerouted [00:37] I'd certainly make sure the stuff for mtu discovery can get through, it gives weird problems if that goes wrong [00:39] sorry to bug yall with this i have be running penetration software all day trying to tie down my home network and my pix firewall but i felt like since my laptop leaves my home network that i wanted to do that [00:40] yeh I always like to put a firewall on; but something like ufw does a good job and someone else has thought of a lot fo the corner cases [00:41] what's this day and age sun-java6-jdk package? [00:42] its not in Partner [00:42] like i have blocked all incomming telnet and ssh so my routers config i dont have to worry about :P [00:46] nite [00:47] tacomaster: It's too easy to accidentally install something that listens, so I always prefer having a firewall [00:48] i do have a firewall one on every computer (software) and a hardware (pix) [00:49] how do i enable the flash plugin in chromium ? [00:49] Tetsuo55: 32 or 64bit? [00:50] 64 [00:50] apt-get install flashplugin-installer [00:51] can't i use the one that comes with chromium? or was it stripped out for ubuntu? [00:52] oh, I don't know to be honest, I never realised one was included [00:52] when you use chrome to go to flashinstall page, it will tell you to enable the built in one and block the download [00:55] note: chrome != chromium [00:56] but I didn't know either that chrome had a built in one.. [00:57] Chromium is chrome without all the proprietary bullshit [00:57] Oops. Gotta watch my language. [00:57] Anyway, the proprietary stuff should include Flash, why not? [00:58] * penguin42 wouldn't be surprised if it's a 64bit ism since Flash for 64bit isn't around [00:58] http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/bringing-improved-support-for-adobe.html [00:58] how can i enable the alternate gnome desktop? [01:02] wait was someone trying to get flash working on 64bit? [01:02] tacomaster: Tetsuo55 is in chrome and was wondering about chromes inbuilt flash support [01:03] nspluginwrapper is required for 64bit i know that much [01:05] tacomaster: Yeh, although flashplugin-installer does all that for you [01:05] i had to install nspluginwrapper my self because i installed adobeflash and it didnt come with it [01:12] there was a 64bit flash alpha, but adobe dumped it afaik :( [01:14] indeed, it actually worked as well [01:14] put display to sleep when inactive << does this option only black out the screen or does it actually shut it down completely like windows's display off screensaver? [01:19] something is wrong with battery charing, time to full is increasing instead of decreasing [01:21] Tetsuo55: AFAIR, sleep puts the monitor in standby [01:22] charlie-tca: i tested it with 1 min delay and it does indead go into standby [01:28] hey guys.. is it safe to assume that when maverick is released there will also be a minimal install cd?? [01:28] yes? [01:30] coz_: Does Ubuntu offer a minimal install cd now? [01:31] charlie-tca, yes it does [01:31] Then I would think it will continue [01:31] charlie-tca, well I wanted to make sure [01:31] I did not know we had one [01:31] at this point of course none show up on any download site [01:32] charlie-tca, oh year I prefer the minimal install [01:32] yeah not year [01:32] !minimal [01:32] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:36] crash files are auto attached to bugs that already exist too? [01:43] Tetsuo55: no, but usually you can just file a new one, the retracer will auto-duplicate your bug if it's already reported [01:50] coz_, I think the desktop cd lets you do a network install like the minimal does [01:50] mikedep333, ahh that would be nice also :) [01:51] mikedep333, I am downloading it now so i will take a look [01:51] coz_, look at the options when at the bootloader [01:51] I think you need to press a button or something for it to come up. [01:51] mikedep333, yep I will...it would be a nice feature [01:51] but [01:52] mikedep333, the actual minimal install cd is less to download therefore fewer chances of corrupted downoad [01:52] which seems to be the advantage I see [01:52] particularly for those with slower connections [01:58] coz_, sorry, I just checked and you can't do a minimal/network install with the live disc (10.10 beta) [01:58] mikedep333, ah ok no biggie... :) [01:58] mikedep333, I just want to turn the live cd for now... later try it out === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [04:47] Say, why doesn't rhythmbox let me try to play a CD? [04:52] DanaG: good question... do you have an error message for that? [04:52] Or rather, it gives me no visible UI elements to play a CD. [04:53] And nothing in plugins for CD reading. [04:55] anyone have any experience in making a multi distrob usb stick ? [04:55] *distro [05:01] argh, unity segfaults after initializing EGL. [06:00] argh, my unity hangs. [06:00] http://pastebin.com/jQXii7kf [06:00] Solid white. === malnilion_ is now known as malnilion [07:03] 'man kdebugdialog': "No manual entry for kdebugdialog." Where can I find a manual or program description of kdebugdialog? [07:05] google? [07:06] SwedeMike: Please read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and act accordingly. [07:08] bullgard4_: I have already read it. I didn't tell you to "google it". [07:09] bullgard4_: would you say that one should take for granted that someone has TRIED to google it before answering? or is google just off limits as a suggestion and I should never mention it? [07:09] because then it's meaningless that I try to suggest something I found off of google, as well. [07:11] bullgard4_: so please entertain me, did you google for "kdebugdialog" and "I feel lucky" that didn't satisfy you? I'm not jerking you around, I want to know. [07:14] SwedeMike: Once for all: I did google for kdebugdialog before I posted here. -- I am not here to entertain you. [07:15] bullgard4_: guess figure of speech doesn't work either. [07:16] so http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/kdebugdialog/kdebugdialog.pdf isn't the kind of "program description" you were looking for? [07:17] so what kind of program description is it you're looking for? [07:20] SwedeMike: Thank you very much for providing me this link. This article is a kind of a program description which I was looking for. [07:20] SwedeMike: Thank you again. [07:21] bullgard4_: oki, still. I'm not jerking you around, I want to understand. When I googled for "kdebugdialog" this was the first hit. What did you google for? [07:23] I did google for /usr/lib/kdebugdialog [07:24] err! I did google for /usr/bin/kdebugdialog [07:24] bullgard4_: thanks. [07:25] hm, interesting how google seems to treat / as a whitespace. [07:27] bullgard4_: would you have been less offended if I answered your initial question with "When I googled for I found , is this not what you're looking for?" I've been hit with the "don't tell people to 'google it'" even when I did that. [07:34] SwedeMike: Of course I would have been less offended if you told me: ""When I googled for I found " [07:35] bullgard4_: goodie. Then I'll use that next time. Thank you. [07:35] googling for that just seems so obvious for me, I could imagine someone being offended by that as well. [08:20] argh, stupid Unity. [08:20] It hangs showing me min,max,close buttons for Desktop, and not much else. [08:21] Can't open the menu, and can't use any of the indicators. [08:21] It's 100% useless. [08:29] http://pastebin.com/jQXii7kf [08:34] hello [08:34] maybe someone can give me a hand here [08:34] I'm currently in the shell after installing the new ati drivers [08:34] and I have no x [08:34] I'm in here chatting via sirc [08:35] any takers? [08:36] it's basically saying it can't find the drivers fglrxdrv.o [08:37] fglrx_drv.so to be precise [08:38] Hi, i've a strange behaviour when i connect to Gnome via VNC.(Ubuntu 10.10, x11vnc or tightvncserver). The gnome-sessions starts, all seems to be working, but i press a key in e.g. gedit or terminal the windows closes. [08:40] Can anyone tell me if 10.10 improves power management vs. 10.04? I'm putting a media box together (an Atom + ION one) and am trying to decide if I should use Ubuntu as the base OS for a XBMC install, or whether it'd be better to just buy a Windows 7 license. [08:49] I'd say, if you want to do digital cable, at least, Win7 is literally the only way to go. No CableCard in Linux. [08:50] Damn CableLabs. [08:54] DanaG: No cable or tuner [09:27] samba appears to be broken worked on beta but an update has broken this note there have been no samba updates so its not this? [09:27] say what.. [09:28] ever thought of using these characters: . and , ? [09:42] hey [09:44] when does ubuntu 10.10 final come out [09:44] 10/10 [09:45] ok cuz i thought i heard 10/27 and wanted to make sure [09:47] is the 10.10 that is out rite now good to use or just stay with 10.04 until th ubuntu 10.10 final comes out [09:48] spike__: there is no good answer to that. it might be, it might not. Depnds on a lot of factors. [09:49] only way to know is to try. [09:50] spike__: it's not to be used as a stable OS yet. [09:53] battery management is definately broken, my battery doesnt get a full charge [10:16] oh [11:10] hey guys, I am not able to upgrade to ubuntu 10.10 beta.. I am getting an error "Could not calculate the upgrade" [11:10] Gigacore: run the command update-manager -d [11:11] and it says "And unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" [11:11] hmm [11:12] running the cammand about it should held back broken packages. most of them are likley from 3rd party repos [11:12] you may also need to reload when update-manager shows up to correct packages [11:13] oh.. and I don't want to make network-upgrade. I've got image of alternate CD and got it mounted [11:14] !upgrade [11:14] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [11:14] see those links for a nonnet upgrade [11:14] ok [11:14] it could be the cd is bad for i know [11:15] cant recall if you can use teh alt. image [11:15] one or the other you cant use [11:15] I haven't burnt it on to a CD, just mounted it [11:16] than you owuld need to comment out all repos excpt the cd ones at the top and uncomment ths the cd repos [11:16] is there any way to ignore held packages? [11:16] yes but i reallly wounted but the links about should help you [11:17] yea.. going through them. thanks [11:17] if i have time to download the cd than i have enough time to wait for the upgrade. if you have the cd. i say back everything up and do a clean intall [11:21] Gigacore: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades << best link [12:25] hi [12:26] hi [12:40] do anyone have issues with the fan control? I just upgrade from 10.04 on my Dell Studio XPS [12:41] kernel deleted accidently, how can i copy the packages from the damaged system using live cd or fresh innstallation please help me. [12:42] chroot & reinstall kernel package [12:45] i tried but the dpkg process not ended it installed the linux-source but the linux kernel image , intrmd(not correct about spelling) how can i force to innstall the linux kernel [13:01] is the Unity Interface on the new UNR slower than the old interface ? [13:17] i am getting a 'ubuntu desktop system' update for last 10 days but I cant' install it. The checkbox is not clickable. how to solve this [13:43] howdy, is there a known issue in 10.10 with dhcp timing out and not receiving an answer? (worked before and works on other comps and this one in windows7) [13:49] sevenseeker: I hang out on here quite a lot and not seen anyone else with that [13:51] penguin42, ok, I will keep playing a bit... my interfaces are up and no dmesg messages regarding them or networking, but just dhcp times out all the time (I upgraded last night) [14:03] hey [14:03] how are you guys finding maverick? [14:03] it's just there? [14:03] I found it on my laptop [14:03] it's nice, but some software is very old :( [14:03] ^^ [14:04] heheh [14:04] tarzeau, shouldn't the software be newer than lucid? [14:04] the installer sucks though, crashed when i wanted xfs instead of ext4 [14:04] lukus: it is, but still too old for what i need: gimp-plugin-registry, gphoto2... [14:04] are heavily outdated [14:04] so is gnustep* [14:04] tarzeau, you can always install manually though [14:05] tarzeau: did you report that? I think I had that too ages ago and it was thanks to xfsprogs not installed on the live disk back then [14:05] lukus: manually? you mean make the updated packages and install those? sure that's what i do [14:05] yofel: of course [14:05] is ext4 ready for primetime yet? [14:05] yofel: oh not the xfs installer thing, where would i report that? [14:06] i don't want ext4, or ext3, or ext2 [14:06] yofel: if you give me the launchpad.net link, i'll report it [14:06] last time i read about ext4, i heard it had problems [14:06] yofel: i installed around monday or so [14:06] isnt ubuntu software always old [14:06] Tetsuo55: no [14:06] gphoto2 in maverick matches the debian unstable version. [14:06] oh but inkscape is old too [14:06] its policy to be ver strict about updates isnt it [14:06] Pici: which is old too - i'm also trying to get it updated there [14:07] i guess it's always a compromise [14:07] Pici: actually only there. since ubuntu just syncs it [14:07] between stable-ness and new-ness [14:07] tarzeau: So its not really an Ubuntu problem then. [14:07] lukus: yep [14:07] lukus: not for me. i NEED the latest. or i can sell my dslr, and get one which is 3 years older [14:07] tarzeau: as the installer failed, probably best to report it against ubiquity, and try to do it by calling 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' from the live disk after reproducing the failure, the folks in #ubuntu-installer might know more [14:07] Pici: of course it is [14:07] Pici: for gimp-plugin-registry and inkscape. it sure is [14:07] tarzeau: not only then. [14:07] ive had many crashes already since installing yesterday [14:07] Pici: and it's not like hard to upgrade the gphoto stuff [14:08] segfaults [14:08] segfaults in which programs Tetsuo55 ? [14:08] can you sync sid packages into maverick? [14:09] lukus: help among others, i reported 2 bugs with the automated tool [14:09] tarzeau: It's a bit messy to automate it, but if you grab the .deb's you have a fair chance of installing them [14:09] penguin42: i know. but that sucks if you need to do it for like 200 computers [14:09] the others i didnt report, i didnt realise i could use my SF account to log into launchpad [14:09] yeah, at least the reporting is straightforward [14:09] penguin42: it's better if ubuntu would just pick the versions, so everyone can profit? [14:09] tarzeau: Ah right, erm if you had to do that what you could do is set up a mini little repo with just the newer packages in it [14:10] penguin42: i already have that [14:10] so like 10 where not reported, one of my crashes was unique though, none like it where found by the tool [14:10] penguin42: but still all this extra effort sucks. as i'm sure there's others doing the same [14:10] penguin42: besides that "mini" repo isn't THAT mini anymore... [14:10] penguin42: i've been doing that for 5 years now [14:10] tarzeau: Yeh, I guess they have to pick a cut off point for each release; it's an interesting trade off - I've considered switching back to sid but there again I'd get some stuff that's older in sid [14:11] i only use chromium, emphaty, kubuntu and update manager, so all crashes are related either to those or standard loaded services [14:11] kubuntu=konversation [14:11] penguin42: i do use sid, mainly, with some packages hand made [14:11] penguin42: the ubuntu wokstations i have are only left at work [14:11] tarzeau: Nod [14:12] i hope upgrading is more fluent from lucid to maverick [14:12] and that not much changed for the preseed network boot installer [14:12] does anyone know if works is being done to improve video playback? e.g. making sure that video paints and audio sample sends are done on time to prevent jitter/judder [14:12] Tetsuo55: with which software? [14:13] it doesnt really matter, but im going to assume the default player [14:13] mplayer just works fine for me [14:13] however flash player sucks badly indeed, and the default player? that gnome wreck which can't play a thing? [14:13] omg, anyone uses it? [14:13] ubuntu includes it so i guess they expect that [14:14] they also include f-spot and now that other thing [14:14] i've tried the new thing, and it just locked up when moving the sliders [14:14] not sure, I do get skips in audio when I use some desktop effects in KDE, but even HD videos play usually fine with vdpau in smplayer [14:14] i dont play media on linux at all due to the sub-optimal ability of linux to deal with it [14:14] so, i'll stick to the gimp [14:15] i'm using ufs with debian gnu/kfreebsd, that's nice too [14:15] i'm not a typical user though, i work on a video player software as a manager, so i have extra high expectations [14:15] can't wait to get a working live-helper for it. [14:15] binaries and memory footprint is remarkably smaller compared to linux [14:16] Tetsuo55: and you bundle ubuntu with a product of you? [14:16] on windows the kernel and i/o give video and audio stuff a higher priority than the rest, to ensure timing is accurate-is [14:16] no i don't [14:16] its a windows product [14:17] is xorg's CPU high usage fixed ? mine has been in 100' for last 3 days [14:17] serious video playback on linux is not yet possible (but i'll switch they second thats fixed) [14:17] i wish they'd switch to chromium-browser as default, instead of firefox [14:17] Volkodav: which video driver? [14:17] tarzeau: amen to that [14:17] Tetsuo55: i'm fine with the playback. dunno what hardware/video drivers you use... [14:18] its not as bad now as say 5 years ago [14:18] i also was happy with mplayer 5 years ago [14:19] but if one is very sensative to things like judder then its a pain to watch any video on linux [14:19] i never noticed judder [14:19] neither in audio, nor in video [14:19] keep it that way! [14:19] i curse the man who taught me about judder :( [14:19] nvidia [14:19] Volkodav: nvidia as in the binary driver, which version? which hardware? [14:20] Volkodav: or nv or nouveau? [14:20] its very difficult to unlearn seeing judder [14:20] binary latest 256.56 I think [14:21] Volkodav: mind to see it 260.19.04 from the x-updates ppa helps? [14:21] Volkodav: you need/want the nvidia driver for 3d stuff like sauerbraten? or multiple monitors? [14:21] * yofel notes that nouveau can do 3D too with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental [14:21] I have dual head yes [14:22] but it's too unstable for my taste in general [14:22] tarzeau: anyway just saying stuff doesnt help, in time my team will come up with scientifically accurate tests, those tests will be platform independent so we can benchmark linux's video playback abilities in a comparative manner to windows [14:22] but no 3d [14:22] Volkodav: have you tried with nouveau? not sure if it supporst dualhead [14:23] yofel - I will try that driver 260.xx [14:23] tarzeau: i do not think it does [14:35] could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i to the 6-channel speaker-test. [14:42] yofel, good evening , can you run compiz with nouveau and ligl experimental ? mine make something strange when switching to compiz [14:42] ? [14:42] libgl* [14:44] zniavre: I'm using KDE, some effects didn't enable but those that did worked fine, it just seemed somehow slow [14:44] ok === uRock is now known as running_rabbit07 [14:58] hmm...apparently my friend cant seem to install software on his maverick install [14:58] he was behind a proxy in college and removed it after going home [14:59] his internet works fine, but software center says Check your Internet connection [15:00] ideas? [15:01] can he install from the terminal? [15:02] run sudo apt-get update [15:02] charlie-tca: hes new to ubuntu, ill have to guide him how to do that... lets see [15:02] then try to install [15:10] yofel: x-updates package has the same xorg usage 90-100 [15:10] :/ [15:11] I think it is xorg to blame since I tried different kernels/diff drivers [15:11] nvidia works mostly fine here, I get 100% CPU with xorg only when LP pages are being rendered in firefox [15:11] and only for 1-3 seconds usually [15:12] well mine steady high no matter what I do compiz on or off [15:17] charlie-tca: haha.. hes using the terminal for the first time, so he said : I cant type anything when it asks for the password :P [15:17] heh [15:18] and i went.. hows that possible?? ... and then i realized what he meant [15:18] lol === undifined_ is now known as UndiFineD [15:29] oki got a new crash [15:29] charlie-tca: apt-get update works [15:30] what could be next ? [15:30] " mission control-5 [15:30] install using sudo apt-get install ??? [15:30] ??? being the application [15:30] Then report a bug using ubuntu-bug software-center [15:31] charlie-tca: but how is this possible? it installs fine when on college proxy, direct connection doesnt seem to work :( [15:32] and id rather not tell him to use command line.. hes new [15:32] maybe its fixed in a update.. hmm [15:32] I don't know. but if the connection is working from the terminal, it must be a bug in software center itself [15:33] when i choose an existing bug, does it still attach my crash dump? [15:33] i selected this one from the gui https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/601746 [15:33] Launchpad bug 601746 in telepathy-mission-control-5 (Ubuntu) "mission-control-5 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,New] [15:34] it just tags it with "me too", I think [15:35] is that helpfull? i actually want to crashlogs when dealing with a bug [15:35] shadeslayer: I wonder if the college had it's own repository for the app he wants to install? [15:36] charlie-tca: no.. im pretty sure of that [15:37] Tetsuo55: It just lets us know more than one person is affected by the bug [15:37] so what is prefereable, fresh ticket or " affects me too" in terms of getting it fixed quicker [15:38] To attach your crashlogs, you could use apport-collect 601746 , and then you have to verify you really want to attach them to that bug, which is not yours. You also have to subscribe to the bug first. [15:40] I like the fresh ticket or duplicate bug, it is more obvious that it is really an issue, rather than that you want to see the bug fixed (thus, affects me) [15:40] ok [15:40] ill opt for fresh bug then [15:40] winqual also treats every crash as a fresh bug [15:40] a single reporter that does not give enough information and a thousand "affects me" does not give that information [15:41] that was my thingking too [15:41] thinking* [15:43] how can i disable bluetooth? i dont use it so its just wasting battery [15:44] yofel - it looks like on 2.6.36-020636rc3-generic with NVIDIA Driver Version:260.19.04 and without compiz the xorg CPU usage is back to normal [15:44] interesting setup... [15:44] I'm on xubuntu, it is different. There is something in System -> that lets you disable different apps [15:45] but funny part the stock kernel does not load NVIDIA anymore lol [15:45] Tetsuo55, did you check under system/preference/startup applications? [15:45] fails to load the kernel and errors no screen found [15:45] ah oh nvidia issues? I was just about to install maverick :) [15:45] I still think it is xorg issue and not nvidia [15:45] coz_: i see the manager there, but will shutting it down turn off bluetooth? [15:46] Tetsuo55, it should stop it from starting up yes [15:46] It will stop it when you restart the computer, it won't just shut down [15:46] ok [15:46] Tetsuo55, I dont know if sys-rc-conf is still avaialable in maverick repos but you could also use that ...although last time I tired it it ran during start up itself [15:47] i will see what happens on next reboot [15:51] it did not work [15:51] the icon is gone from the taskbar, but bluetooth is still on [15:57] the old workarounds no longer seem to work, and 10.10 doesnt have the services option [15:57] Tetsuo55, see if sys-rc-conf is in the repository [15:58] Tetsuo55, then run that in terminal as sudo sys-rc-conf and use arrows to scroll and space bar to mark [15:58] installing [15:59] Tetsuo55, if you have not used that in the past...I wouldnt go hog wild disabling things :) [15:59] what do the numbers mean?? [15:59] 0-6 and S [15:59] Tetsuo55, i would open another terminal man sys-rc-conf to be sure i dont remember offhand [16:00] no manual :( [16:00] X is on or off? [16:00] Tetsuo55, hold on let me install and check [16:01] thanks [16:02] Tetsuo55, ah oh not in lucid repo? hold on [16:02] im in 10.10, i have no idea where it got it from :P [16:03] Tetsuo55, it helps to spell it correctly :) [16:04] Tetsuo55, ok with that opened the first tick box is the one you want to tick or untick and [16:04]