| === eeejay` is now known as eeejay | ||
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, I just Won't Fixed bug #610600 | 01:29 |
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| ubot2 | rickspencer3: Bug 610600 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/610600 is private | 01:29 |
| rickspencer3 | dang it | 01:29 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, fair enough | 01:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hey robert_ancell | 01:37 |
| chrisccoulson | you're a thunderbird user aren't you? | 01:37 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, yes | 01:38 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, do you use lightning? | 01:38 |
| robert_ancell | no | 01:38 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, never mind then ;) | 01:38 |
| === SmSpilla1 is now known as SmSpillaz | ||
| jhansonxi | Is there a way to add to Nautilus Places during install? I tried adding a .gtk-bookmarks to skel which added the new Places I wanted but eliminated the defaults which I wanted to keep. It also encodes absolute paths and Nautilus won't accept relative (like ~/Documents). | 06:04 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:32 |
| dpm | morning didrocks | 07:59 |
| didrocks | hey dpm, how are you? | 07:59 |
| dpm | fine on a Friday morning :), and you? | 07:59 |
| didrocks | dpm: same here, seeing a bunch of mail backlog :) | 08:00 |
| dpm | :) | 08:00 |
| bratsche | Morning didrocks | 08:07 |
| didrocks | hey bratsche! Still awake? | 08:07 |
| bratsche | didrocks: Yeah.. been working on some code and it's keeping me from sleeping. :) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | bratsche: heh, hope you can enjoy a good and restful night once finished :-) | 08:09 |
| bilalakhtar | bratsche: Has the plan for GTK ARGB dropped for maverick? | 08:09 |
| bratsche | bilalakhtar: Yeah. | 08:09 |
| bilalakhtar | garr, well, np | 08:10 |
| bilalakhtar | bratsche rocks! | 08:10 |
| bratsche | bilalakhtar: Why? | 08:10 |
| bilalakhtar | bratsche: This was something everyone was awaiting in maverick | 08:10 |
| bilalakhtar | bratsche: What about natty? | 08:11 |
| bratsche | bilalakhtar: The code is pretty much ready now I think, but we don't really have anything to use it for right now. | 08:11 |
| bratsche | There's another thing that needs to be done to get it ready for upstream, I would like to find time to do that. | 08:12 |
| bratsche | But that involves getting back on the wm-spec list, and hacking on mutter. I'm not very excited by either of those. :) | 08:13 |
| vish | bratsche: hi , could you upload the gtk bug-fix in ubuntu? Bug #410636 ? i'v tried poking upstream but they dont seem to want to review tseliot's patch :( | 08:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 410636 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Right-click should not pre-light first option, too easy to accidentally select the first Context-menu option. (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 36)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410636 | 08:21 |
| vish | bratsche: got it reviewed by the accessibility team too.. | 08:22 |
| bratsche | vish: seb128 would need to approve this. | 08:23 |
| vish | bratsche: ah , ok.. i'll poke him.. i thought you uploaded gtk in ubuntu :) | 08:23 |
| bratsche | Nope. | 08:24 |
| bratsche | vish: Have you applied the patch on your system? | 08:25 |
| vish | bratsche: yup.. there is a ppa too. i'v been using it for more than a month with no probs.. | 08:26 |
| * bilalakhtar wishes he had enough bandwidth and disk space to work on gtk | 08:26 | |
| bratsche | Hang on a minute, I'm going to try a change to the patch. | 08:26 |
| vish | thanks. | 08:26 |
| bratsche | Actually, a few minutes.. it takes awhile to build. :) | 08:26 |
| vish | ;) | 08:27 |
| === zyga-gone is now known as zyga | ||
| glatzor | mvo, morning | 08:27 |
| mvo | hey glatzor | 08:28 |
| mvo | glatzor: just saw your branch, many thanks. | 08:28 |
| glatzor | mvo, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~glatzor/python-defer/trunk/revision/472 | 08:29 |
| glatzor | mvo, but I think that is to invasive for maverick | 08:29 |
| glatzor | mvo, or what do you think? should I backport this to 0.3? | 08:29 |
| mvo | glatzor: let me check | 08:30 |
| glatzor | mvo, would allow a cleaner syntax in the aptd backend | 08:31 |
| mvo | glatzor: it seems to be not too bad | 08:33 |
| seb128 | hey | 08:42 |
| and471 | good morning | 08:48 |
| vish | oops.. got disconnected .. | 09:18 |
| vish | ^ , did i miss a reply from brat-sche :) | 09:18 |
| huats_ | morning | 09:27 |
| alf__ | seb128: I saw that cairo-1.10 + cairo-perf was synced from debian. That is great, thanks! | 09:49 |
| alf__ | slomo: ^^ | 09:49 |
| slomo | * debian/patches/server_side_gradients.patch: | 09:52 |
| slomo | - don't use server side gradients, most drivers don't handle those and are | 09:52 |
| slomo | really slow, should workaround performances issues for ati and nouveau | 09:52 |
| slomo | hm | 09:52 |
| slomo | thanks for telling me about that :P which drivers have problems with this? only ati (fglrx?) and nouveau? | 09:53 |
| seb128 | alf__, you're welcome | 09:53 |
| seb128 | slomo, seems everything but intel | 09:53 |
| seb128 | mvo, has progress bars rendering in update-manager way slower without it | 09:53 |
| seb128 | like it was taking 1.5 seconds rather than 0.1s | 09:53 |
| slomo | that explains why i didn't see any problems, i only have intel gpus ;) | 09:53 |
| RAOF | Didn't that also expose nvidia binary bugs, too? All-white buttons and such. | 09:54 |
| seb128 | right | 09:54 |
| mvo | slomo: 1.5 minutes! | 09:55 |
| mvo | no kidding | 09:55 |
| seb128 | slomo, well upstream thinks it's an hack and that we should not do that but get drivers fixed rather | 09:55 |
| seb128 | that's why we don't recommend using the change :p | 09:55 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:56 |
| seb128 | hey mvo | 09:56 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 09:57 |
| mvo | hey seb128! | 09:59 |
| mvo | seb128: good, the usual business before final freeze, but looking good overall | 09:59 |
| seb128 | hehe | 10:00 |
| seb128 | what do you think about maverick so far? | 10:00 |
| slomo | seb128: ok, another one of these stupid driver bugs :P | 10:07 |
| slomo | seb128: i hope nobody wants me to apply that patch for debian... | 10:08 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:08 |
| seb128 | you don't really care, cairo 1.10 is only in experimental | 10:08 |
| seb128 | when it reachs unstable you will have to deal with nouveau, nvidia, ati users | 10:08 |
| slomo | yes but unless they're filing bugs again only a few weeks before the release i'll tell them to get their drivers fixed | 10:10 |
| seb128 | mvo, hear, get you driver fixed! | 10:11 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:11 |
| seb128 | bah maverick is the crap on docked config with external screen | 10:12 |
| seb128 | between g-s-d settings the config wrong and turning off the external screen when the lid is closed and xrandr --auto not doing the right thing either | 10:12 |
| mvo | seb128: maverick is doing amazingly well for me for a "edgy" release (lts+1) | 10:16 |
| asacX | MacSlow, hey ... can you tell jay to join some public channel, like this? :) | 10:22 |
| asacX | MacSlow, or tell me if clutk test cases work for you guys at all | 10:23 |
| MacSlow | asacX, I will mention it to him... but he's not up yet | 10:23 |
| asacX | MacSlow, here if just build clutk make check we get crash in animation test | 10:24 |
| asacX | MacSlow, will be back in a bit ... rebooting | 10:26 |
| asacX | MacSlow, any idea if the clutk test cases are supposed to work ? | 11:04 |
| asacX | some work, but lots crash ... so wonder if you run them on trunk :-P | 11:05 |
| MacSlow | asacX, on which GPU? | 11:08 |
| asacX | MacSlow, nvidia ... both mesa and proprietary | 11:50 |
| asacX | MacSlow, one backtrace i probed was in GLEW_init | 11:51 |
| asacX | actually we run this in a maverick chroot on lucid | 11:51 |
| MacSlow | asacX, don't the drivers of the host system and the chroot system get into each others way? | 12:10 |
| MacSlow | asacX, which test if failing again? | 12:11 |
| MacSlow | asacX, if "/Effect/Animation/Animation" does fail that's expected/known | 12:13 |
| MacSlow | asacX, we don't use animated effects, because they would be to costly on very low-end hardware | 12:13 |
| MacSlow | asacX, regarding releases of clutk and "make check" you've to wait for njpatel to return from holiday or ask kamstrup | 12:14 |
| kamstrup | MacSlow, asacX: make check on clutk has been failing me for some time (on i945 gpu). njpatel is aware of this | 12:17 |
| MacSlow | asacX, and atm we're fighting mem-leaks | 12:18 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| seb128 | didrocks, hey there | 13:35 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 13:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you get the launchpad changes you need for your remaining key integration work items? | 13:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, now seems about time to set those to deferred if not | 13:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: no, I didn't, tried to ping this week jml again but he is on vacation, so will be for next cycle :/ | 13:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I was planning doing paperwork this evening. Will update all my WI | 13:36 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:37 |
| didrocks | yw | 13:38 |
| seb128 | pedro_, ola | 13:44 |
| pedro_ | salut seb128 | 13:44 |
| seb128 | pedro_, so retracers seem to stand :-) | 13:44 |
| seb128 | nice isn't it ;-) | 13:44 |
| pedro_ | yeah ;-) | 13:44 |
| pedro_ | btw i'm giving priority to the maverick crashes | 13:44 |
| seb128 | I guess lot of bugs in the backlog will be closed as outdated | 13:44 |
| pedro_ | will check the lucid and previous later | 13:45 |
| seb128 | pedro_, thanks! | 13:45 |
| seb128 | did you spot any frequent one? | 13:45 |
| pedro_ | not really | 13:45 |
| seb128 | ok, great | 13:45 |
| pedro_ | lot of dups of the bugs that area already fixed though | 13:45 |
| seb128 | I guess we already knew about the annoying ones | 13:45 |
| pedro_ | like the evince crash | 13:45 |
| seb128 | we just didn't get retracing for those | 13:45 |
| pedro_ | yeah | 13:45 |
| seb128 | right, we probably got quite a lot of those missing gsettings schemas crashers | 13:46 |
| seb128 | or rhythmbox crashing on closing | 13:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: is thie rhythmbox crashing on closing recent? | 13:47 |
| didrocks | (like from yesterday) | 13:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, it was a libindicate bug and has been fixed this week | 13:48 |
| seb128 | but it was there for some weeks so probably collected duplicates | 13:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I wondered as I saw it yesterday and then no more (but as I changed the call on closing, not sure it was related to my change) | 13:48 |
| seb128 | you probably got the new libindicate between | 13:49 |
| slomo | seb128: gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.25-2 is uploaded now | 13:49 |
| seb128 | slomo, thanks | 13:50 |
| seb128 | I will do the 2 syncs from yesterday and this merge in a few minutes | 13:50 |
| slomo | ok :) | 13:51 |
| didrocks | yeah, probably, thanks :) | 13:51 |
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| seb128 | didrocks, how do you manage to use bzr merge-upstream? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | the thing is just buggy, I can't get it to work on anything | 14:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, thanks to james_w's fix | 14:29 |
| seb128 | "bzr: ERROR: An inconsistent delta was supplied involving u'src/idorange.c', 'idorange.c-20100713002550-7fz0mbth3hf6nyrb-1' | 14:29 |
| seb128 | reason: Attempt to add item at path already occupied by id 'idorange.c-20100715152536-ams4xe5g0o2vg6bu-2' | 14:29 |
| seb128 | " | 14:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, not the same issue I had | 14:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: I only had one issue in one branch, all the others were ok | 14:30 |
| didrocks | it seems you have two ids for the same file | 14:30 |
| didrocks | was it a file that was shipped in the tarball from the start? (seems it was added manually) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I've no clue | 14:30 |
| seb128 | it's lp:ubuntu/ido | 14:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: I can't help you a lot, but first, bzr ls --show-ids <dir> can show the file ids in both branch | 14:31 |
| seb128 | bzr mu --version 0.1.12 http://edge.launchpad.net/ido/meerkat/0.1.12/+download/ido-0.1.12.tar.gz lp:ido | 14:31 |
| didrocks | the upstream one is lp:ido? | 14:31 |
| didrocks | ok, looking if I have the same issue | 14:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 14:31 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, j/w if u know already that gwibber has a tray icon now mysteriously, also clicking on the account icons on the bottom causes gwibber to gray out for a little bit. | 14:32 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, known | 14:32 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, OK :) | 14:32 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, well... the tray icon should only be if it isn't in the indicator already | 14:32 |
| kenvandine | so if you are seeing that and you are using the messaging menu, that is probably a bug | 14:33 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, yup i'm using the mm | 14:33 |
| kenvandine | changing the account state with the toggle buttons is known, i'll fix that soon | 14:33 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:33 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, are you running the maverick version of the ppa version? | 14:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, got the same issue and bzr ls --show-ids src/ confirmed that you have two different ids for the same object | 14:34 |
| bcurtiswx | hmm | 14:34 |
| * bcurtiswx looks | 14:34 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, how do I tell them it's the same object? | 14:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think there was a trick to change the id, let me look at my logs | 14:34 |
| didrocks | (I just try to find why the ids are different) | 14:34 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, Installed: 2.31.92-0ubuntu1---Candidate: 2.31.92-0ubuntu1 | 14:34 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: ahah got it! | 14:34 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: it was added to 0.1.9-0ubuntu1 | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, are other apps using the messaging menu properly? | 14:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: which was a direct import of the upstream tarball, no trunk branch | 14:35 |
| didrocks | this added a file from the tarball which wasn't in the packaging branch | 14:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I didn't specify lp:ido by then | 14:35 |
| didrocks | and so, generated a new id | 14:36 |
| seb128 | ? | 14:36 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's not you, it's ken :) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | lol ok | 14:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: the other file wasn't changed | 14:36 |
| seb128 | how do we fix that? | 14:36 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, so far empathy uses it fine (has the arrow), but gwibber does not have the arrow, and a tray icon | 14:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: so, it doesn't try to compare the id I guess | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, killall gwibber-service | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | and run it again | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | does it show up? | 14:36 |
| didrocks | let me looks at my logs, I'll try to find it | 14:36 |
| bcurtiswx | OK, one sec | 14:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, don't bother, I will wait for ted, I think he knows how to do that | 14:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks for figuring the issue | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, if there is no "interest" for the indicator, it will display the status icon | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | but there should be "interest" if the messaging menu is present | 14:37 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, now it works OK. | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | ok... it got a signal that there was no interest and fell back to status icon | 14:38 |
| bcurtiswx | i don't remember an apport popup saying gwibber-service died tho | 14:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: I maybe have something, let me try | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | no, it wasn't gwibber-service | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | it was indicator-messages-service | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, ^^ | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | so that sent a signal that said it wasn't there anymore and it fell back | 14:38 |
| bcurtiswx | that didn't die either... hum <shrugs> | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | perhaps during an upgrade? | 14:38 |
| bcurtiswx | could be, but i have restarted since tho. | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | that package was just updated... | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, let me know if it happens again | 14:39 |
| bcurtiswx | lemme restart and see if i can reproduce | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | thx | 14:39 |
| bcurtiswx | brb | 14:39 |
| james_w | seb128: that bug will be fixed in maverick today | 14:42 |
| james_w | it's fixed in bzr | 14:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 14:42 |
| seb128 | james_w, thanks! | 14:42 |
| didrocks | oh ok :) | 14:42 |
| didrocks | james_w: so, we will be able to use both bzr mu <tarball> <trunk> and bzr mu <tarball> ? | 14:42 |
| james_w | sorry for the inconvenience | 14:42 |
| didrocks | james_w: without beeing scared of new files? | 14:43 |
| james_w | didrocks: yes | 14:43 |
| didrocks | that's good news :-) | 14:43 |
| didrocks | thanks james_w | 14:43 |
| james_w | didrocks: if you use a branch once, you should use one always | 14:43 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, so far so good, must've been an upgrade thing. I do notice a lot of black vertical lines when starting tho | 14:43 |
| james_w | didrocks: but if it's just a random package that doesn't have upstream using bzr then bzr mu <tarball> works fine | 14:43 |
| didrocks | james_w: ok, great! | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, latest unity update i lost most of the default launchers, was that intentional? | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | all i have left are the places ones and the ones i created | 14:44 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: yeah, I've changed ubuntu-netbook-default-settings to more sane default, but that makes people upgrading loosing some | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | ok, that is fine | 14:45 |
| * bcurtiswx tried the unity updates on his Radeon machine, its a bit better, but still quite buggy | 14:45 | |
| kenvandine | there was too many :) | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, which radeon ? | 14:45 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: by default? I agree, hence the fact I remove some :) | 14:45 |
| * kenvandine is hoping his r300 will start working | 14:45 | |
| kenvandine | didrocks, yeah... i am happier now :) | 14:45 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, just making sure it was on purpose | 14:45 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, im not quite sure which one exactly | 14:45 |
| * bcurtiswx tries to remember how to find out | 14:46 | |
| didrocks | kenvandine: right, people who was just upgrading can have this small suprize, but new install are ok (or people who never changed the defaut) :) | 14:46 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, ATI RS780M/RS780MN | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | ah... much newer than mine :) | 14:49 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, you know about the vertical black lines in the tray area that pop in and out? I think all tray icons that go into mm do that | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | nope | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | never seen that | 14:51 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey there | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, unity won't run on my ati laptop | 14:51 |
| bcurtiswx | well it really doesn't run very well on mine, but at least things are less garbled from before | 14:52 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 14:52 |
| slomo_ | seb128: btw, did you decide about gst-plugins-base already? | 14:53 |
| seb128 | slomo_, decide what?I will just sync what you uploaded to debian | 14:53 |
| slomo_ | oh good :) i thought you meant something else with the two syncs (gnonlin and gst0.10-python) and the merge (gst-plugins-good0.10) | 14:54 |
| slomo_ | fine then :) | 14:54 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, can you try this out. quit gwibber completely. Then load it and watch the left of the network tray icon. I get a black vertical line that pops up for a second when gwibber loads | 14:54 |
| bcurtiswx | noting that in my comp, the network icon is the left most icon in my tray | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, oh... i wouldn't see that... using ambiance | 14:55 |
| * bcurtiswx is too :P its blacker than the gray panel :P | 14:56 | |
| kenvandine | actually i see the network icon move briefly | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | humm | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, could you please file a bug about that and assign it to me? | 14:56 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, sure | 14:57 |
| kenvandine | it must be loading the status icon while it waits for a response from the mm | 14:57 |
| kenvandine | thx | 14:57 |
| bcurtiswx | not sure which package to assign it to, i think all tray icons that the MM grabs do that | 14:57 |
| seb128 | slomo_, I forgot about gnonline thanks for the reminder | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - can you approve banshee-community-extensions currently in NEW? (sorry if someone has already asked you that) | 14:59 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, ^^x2 | 14:59 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, gwibber | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks :) | 15:00 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, not sure if i can really fix it... i'll look after i finish some other stuff | 15:00 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, Bug #634957 | 15:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 634957 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634957 | 15:09 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, it happens for empathy as well. Should I change package to indicator-applet or add indicator-applet and also add all apps that do this? | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, maybe | 15:13 |
| kenvandine | tedg, ^^ thoughts? | 15:13 |
| tedg | bcurtiswx, Is this at startup? | 15:14 |
| tedg | bcurtiswx, I mean, I have both of those run at startup and it's not an issue on my machine. | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | tedg, killall gwibber-service;gwibber-service | 15:14 |
| bcurtiswx | tedg, anytime you load an app that the messaging menu has | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | i see it, nm-applet moves over and back | 15:15 |
| bcurtiswx | tedg, focus on the left hand side of your tray (for me its by the network icon) | 15:15 |
| bcurtiswx | you'll see maybe a black line, or just have movement | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i think it is because i connect to the signal and wait for it | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | in the mean time it loads the status icon | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | and hides it when i get the signal | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | actually... that won't do it | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | killall gwibber gwibber-service | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | and run gwibber | 15:17 |
| tedg | kenvandine, That sounds like a gwibber bug ;) | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | i agree it probably needs to be fixed in gwibber | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | but bcurtiswx was pointing out he sees it in empathy too | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | which i haven't noticed either | 15:18 |
| bcurtiswx | tedg, happens with empathy too. | 15:18 |
| * bcurtiswx breaks his machine for failing at being good | 15:18 | |
| tedg | I don't think there's anything we can do in libindicate -- as we dont' control the status icon there. | 15:18 |
| tedg | Unless a signal on startup for "waited a reasonable amount of time" would be helpful. | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | tedg, that is what i was thinking | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | humm | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | so gwibber only tries to load the status icon if check_interest returns False | 15:20 |
| tedg | Yeah, but at startup check_interest will likely always return false as it hasn't even processed all the dbus messages. | 15:20 |
| tedg | You need to wait a little bit of time for people to notice and take interest. | 15:20 |
| bcurtiswx | it happens on startup of any MM program (for me at least) | 15:21 |
| bcurtiswx | doesn't have to be at startup | 15:21 |
| bcurtiswx | of the machine | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | i could probably rework that a little in gwibber to make it not rely on the call to check_interest | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | basically assume if we created the indicator in the dispatch, assume we will have interest | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | well, that is probably not a very good idea | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | so check_interest returns false, it loads the tray_icon then it gets the signal there is interest and hides the tray_icon | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | ugly... but most reliable | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | i think | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | tedg, any suggestions to make that better? | 15:24 |
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| bcurtiswx | well, it isn't a high priority bug in any instance, can be fixed for NN and ignored until then | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | i would hate to block loading to find out if there is interest or not | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, indeed... i would like to clean stuff like that up | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | but i have other bugs higher in my queue :) | 15:25 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, that was my point :) | 15:25 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I think there has to be a timeout. So we could run the "interest changed" signal 500ms after startup even if no one responds. | 15:26 |
| tedg | kenvandine, And in that case change to "no interest" -- which I'm guessing you detect and show the icon. | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | yes | 15:26 |
| tedg | kenvandine, So then you don't show it at all at startup, just when you get the signal. | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | tedg, that could smooth it out for sure | 15:27 |
| bcurtiswx | so is this an issue with libindicate or gwibber or both? | 15:29 |
| kenvandine | both | 15:29 |
| tedg | bcurtiswx, Both. libindicate would need to sent the signal, and gwibber would not need to create on startup. | 15:30 |
| kenvandine | i could drop like 3 lines of code from gwibber... yippee | 15:30 |
| bcurtiswx | ok tedg, would you like me to assign you to bug #634957? | 15:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 634957 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634957 | 15:30 |
| bcurtiswx | i can re-word the title a bit | 15:31 |
| eikelmt | I need help with my wireless card which is acting up | 15:36 |
| eikelmt | like right now, itis working perfekt, 5 min from now it might disconnect, if I try to reconnect it migt or migt not connect, most of the time not, then I have to reboot to connect again, reboot is only for MS people, logfiles telling me it is timing out | 15:38 |
| eikelmt | so I would be a very happy camper if someone can put me into the right directions | 15:39 |
| vish | !support | eikelmt | 15:39 |
| ubot2 | eikelmt: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org | 15:39 |
| eikelmt | i have been both places but no respons, | 15:39 |
| eikelmt | you are the first one | 15:40 |
| tedg | bcurtiswx, Sure, make sure it has bug tasks for libindicate and gwibber though. I dont' want kenvandine getting off the hook ;) | 15:40 |
| vish | eikelmt: if no one knows the ans usually they dont reply.. try again a bit later, maybe someone who knows what the problem is might be online then :) | 15:40 |
| bcurtiswx | tedg, ken's already on it. | 15:41 |
| eikelmt | thanks vish, you are nice | 15:41 |
| vish | np.. | 15:41 |
| bcurtiswx | can someone confirm that empathy does the same thing in the tray? i can add that to the bug | 15:41 |
| bcurtiswx | just looking for some movement when it's loaded | 15:41 |
| bcurtiswx | well, i get no movement but I get a black bar really quickly.. | 15:42 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, once you get to that for gwibber, i'll take a look at those changes see if I can fix empathy too | 15:43 |
| bcurtiswx | tedg, OK, assigned. thx for your help :) | 15:45 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, thx as well :) | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | tedg, did you get a desktop sharing request from me? | 15:55 |
| tedg | kenvandine, No, I don't think so. | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | ok... didn't look like it went thourhg | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | through | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | vino-server isn't crashing anymore though :) | 15:56 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Heh, a step in the right direction? | 15:56 |
| tedg | s/?/!/ | 15:57 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I'd request one back, but my right click is broken right now... | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | i can't see why tedg is the only person in my buddy list that has a "Share my desktop" menu item | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | tedg, well your vino is broken too :) | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | i am fixing it now | 15:57 |
| * tedg is to sezy for kenvandine's other contacts, too sexy indeed! | 15:57 | |
| tedg | sexy | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:58 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, if the request goes out you should get a notification saying so | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah, i didn't | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | but it didn't crash either | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | debugging | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i fixed the crash :) | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | but it isn't working :) | 15:59 |
| seb128 | do you still get the warnings? | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | no | 15:59 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:59 |
| seb128 | try to revert the appindicator change | 15:59 |
| seb128 | and see if it works | 15:59 |
| * kenvandine looks at telepathy logs | 15:59 | |
| seb128 | it worked there | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | seb128, do you know how empathy decides if a user is capable of receiving the desktop sharing request? | 16:00 |
| seb128 | cassidy, ^ | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | i have tried with my second IM account in a lucid and maverick VM | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | but it is disabled, tedg is the only one that i can find to share with :) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | I can share with pedro | 16:01 |
| seb128 | I guess it's people who run empathy | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | yeah... but a bunch of entries in my contact list that are empathy have that menu item disabled | 16:01 |
| seb128 | mvo_, what jabber client do you use? | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | including my other test IM account | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | etc | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | my wife's and some others i know use empathy | 16:02 |
| * tedg is still singing "I'm too sexy" | 16:02 | |
| kenvandine | all disabled menu items | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | tedg is special :) | 16:02 |
| seb128 | weird | 16:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do they have vino installed and activated? | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | yes | 16:02 |
| seb128 | could be that you need it activated? | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | oh... | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | activated? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | well I'm not sure | 16:02 |
| seb128 | random guess | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | the other end is vinagre | 16:02 |
| kenvandine | not vino | 16:03 |
| seb128 | right.. | 16:03 |
| seb128 | I was just guessing | 16:03 |
| seb128 | Zdra, ^ | 16:03 |
| Zdra | kenvandine, seb128: vinaigre installs a .client file that tells MissionControl that we support "Share my desktop" | 16:04 |
| seb128 | mclasen, the new gdk-pixbuf depends on a git version of gobject-introspection, is that wanted? | 16:04 |
| mclasen | goi 0.9.5 is being released as we speak | 16:04 |
| seb128 | mclasen, ok thanks | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | Zdra, ok, my lucid VM has that client file... but i don't have the share my desktop menu for the jabber account i have logged in from that VM | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | the client i am not seeing it in is on maverick | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | since i see it for tedg, i would think i would get it from my test user | 16:08 |
| * kenvandine is looking at logs | 16:08 | |
| Zdra | thinks could have changed in maverick, dunno | 16:09 |
| Zdra | kenvandine, you probably need to ask cassidy, but he is on weekend already | 16:09 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, what account are you testing? (gchat, AIM, MSN) ? | 16:09 |
| mvo_ | seb128: I use pdigin, why? | 16:11 |
| seb128 | mvo_, I can't share my desktop with you in empathy, the menu is not active, I was wondering if that's a bug or if you use another client | 16:11 |
| bcurtiswx | what account type? seb128 | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, gtalk | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, it works lucid to lucid | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | with the same accounts | 16:12 |
| desrt | seb128: hey | 16:22 |
| seb128 | desrt, hello | 16:22 |
| seb128 | desrt, unping, I was wondering something about dconf but figured it out | 16:23 |
| desrt | k | 16:24 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: ok, apparently, they fixed the soyuz issue (currently testing in pre-production), nothing will be done for existing non closed bug though | 16:26 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, so bug #522538 | 16:32 |
| seb128 | what's the status of this one? | 16:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 522538 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "gwibber-service crashed with error in connect() (affects: 705) (dups: 179) (heat: 3042)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522538 | 16:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's on the release agenda for our team for 3 weeks now | 16:32 |
| kiwinote | didrocks: hi! are you aware of segfaults when using "inventory on ubuntu one"? eg bug 633121 | 16:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 633121 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with SIGSEGV in free() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633121 | 16:32 |
| seb128 | I would like to get it sorted ;-) | 16:32 |
| didrocks | kiwinote: hum, no, let me see | 16:33 |
| kenvandine | seb128, indeed... | 16:33 |
| didrocks | kiwinote: waow, a real stack… not a python exception… | 16:33 |
| kenvandine | let me check with chad again... | 16:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is that a desktopcouch issue or gwibber one? | 16:34 |
| didrocks | kiwinote: let's see once retraced | 16:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, who is in charge of getting it solved? | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | neither... but affects both | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | it is actually python-httplib | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | at least that is what chad says is causing it | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | we worked around it as much as we can in desktopcouch | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | but forcing a reconnect | 16:34 |
| kenvandine | but it still happens sometimes | 16:35 |
| kenvandine | i think he has desktopcouch changes to help handle it better that hasn't landed yet | 16:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, can we fix python-httplib? | 16:35 |
| kenvandine | but i have no idea why... | 16:35 |
| kenvandine | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-httplib2/+bug/523327 | 16:36 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 523327 in python-httplib2 (Ubuntu) "python-httplib2 crashes with AttributeError in __init__() if connection refused (affects: 5) (heat: 47)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:36 |
| kenvandine | seb128, chad was trying to fix that | 16:36 |
| kenvandine | but wasn't getting anywhere last i checked with him | 16:37 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - cool, thanks | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll talk to josh to have them escalate these | 16:37 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:38 |
| seb128 | should that bug be on the u1 list rather than ours? | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | seb128, however... it doesn't actually affect anything in the default install | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | yes | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | it mostly affects lucid | 16:38 |
| seb128 | well people keep adding comment saying it affects gwibber in lucid | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | yes, gwibber in lucid is affected | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | because desktopcouch blows up | 16:39 |
| seb128 | ok, not an issue for maverick though? | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | right | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | it could still happen | 16:39 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | but not as likely | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | since gwibber isn't using it anymore | 16:39 |
| seb128 | I will lower the maverick task | 16:39 |
| kenvandine | could affect oneconf :) | 16:39 |
| ricotz | seb128, i saw the failure, gupnp depends on gssdp so the gir file of gssdp needs to be up2date first | 16:51 |
| seb128 | ricotz, so it just needs a retry later on? | 16:51 |
| ricotz | seb128, yes | 16:52 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 16:53 |
| vish | seb128: hi , not sure what to do about Bug #410636 ? i'v tried poking upstream but they just dont seem to want to review tseliot's patch :( but tseliot has a working patch+ppa and it works good.. been using it for more than a month.. can we patch this in ubuntu alone? | 16:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 410636 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Right-click should not pre-light first option, too easy to accidentally select the first Context-menu option. (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 36)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410636 | 16:59 |
| seb128 | vish, try asking mclasen? | 16:59 |
| seb128 | if he can get the change reviewed | 17:00 |
| vish | ok.. mclasen ^ could you have a look at : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591258 ? | 17:00 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 591258 in gtk "Easy to accidentally select first option in popup menus" [Minor,Unconfirmed] | 17:00 |
| vish | mclasen: it has quite a few number of dups in lp too.. and the patch works quite well without problems.. | 17:01 |
| mclasen | vish: I think the patch as is will only achieve the desired effect if xthickness < DEFAULT_POPUP_DISPLACEMENT ? | 17:08 |
| vish | mclasen: dont think so.. afaik it just adds displacement of 2px irrespective of the xthickness .. tseliot might know more though | 17:10 |
| mclasen | vish: also, the patch will do nothing for menus that have a position_func | 17:10 |
| mclasen | anyway, I'll comment | 17:10 |
| vish | mclasen: ok , thanks.. :) | 17:11 |
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| seb128 | bah, I just hate git | 17:27 |
| seb128 | how do I checkout gnome-settings-daemon gnome-2-32 | 17:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: git clone git://git.gnome.org/gnome-settings-daemon && git checkout gnome-2-32 | 17:31 |
| didrocks | (I think) | 17:32 |
| seb128 | yeah, I managed to do it now, thanks | 17:33 |
| seb128 | brb gsd testing | 17:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 18:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is anybody depending on gir? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | gwibber, u1, dx? | 18:03 |
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| kenvandine | humm | 18:07 |
| kenvandine | i don't think anything in the default install | 18:08 |
| kenvandine | but i am not certain | 18:08 |
| kenvandine | gwibber isn't | 18:08 |
| kenvandine | i toyed with moving to webkit with gir, but decided not to take the leap | 18:09 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: is gwibber still using couchdb for message store? | 18:12 |
| kenvandine | kklimonda, nope | 18:12 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: why is that? performance issues with couchdb or something on gwibber's side? | 18:12 |
| kenvandine | performance and reliability | 18:12 |
| kenvandine | couchdb was slow to startup | 18:13 |
| kenvandine | and there were quite a few reliability issues | 18:13 |
| kenvandine | performance was a big issues for some people | 18:13 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: so what will happen to the OneConf and syncing of empathy logs etc.?is it still on the radar? | 18:14 |
| kenvandine | that should all be fine | 18:14 |
| kenvandine | decent uses for desktopcouch | 18:14 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok, can you check next week ie on monday? | 18:15 |
| kenvandine | but depending on access to the db for a user application like gwibber was painful | 18:15 |
| seb128 | or today? | 18:15 |
| seb128 | at least with u1 guys | 18:15 |
| kenvandine | i can ask them now | 18:15 |
| seb128 | we will probably have to take the gir abi break | 18:15 |
| seb128 | since GNOME 2.32 depends on the new version | 18:15 |
| kenvandine | oh, that will break everything that uses gir, right? | 18:15 |
| kenvandine | until they get rebuilt? | 18:15 |
| seb128 | it's late for such changes but we have no better option | 18:15 |
| seb128 | yes | 18:15 |
| seb128 | I will try to rebuild things on the way | 18:16 |
| seb128 | I'm rather concerned about breaking clients | 18:16 |
| seb128 | or potential breakages | 18:16 |
| seb128 | rebuilding rdepends should be ok | 18:16 |
| seb128 | we will update GNOME to 2.31.92 on monday anyway | 18:16 |
| kenvandine | i am asking if u1 knows of anything, but i am pretty certain they don't actually depend on it | 18:17 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: define "decent" - log store for telepathy would either have to store each message as a separate document (we are talking tens of thousands of them for more active users ) or do a lot of document updates :) | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | kklimonda, but that doesn | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | 't block the UI | 18:19 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: indeed, at least as long as the user don't browse chat history or, god forbid, try to search for something :) | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | and the number of documents doesn't seem to really cause a big performance hit | 18:20 |
| kenvandine | it is faster than you would expect | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | assuming you define a view | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | it stores a btree cache for views | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | and refreshes that as records change | 18:21 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: even if views are only seldom used? | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | not when the client needs them | 18:21 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: yeah, I know the theory but you have practice :) | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | :) | 18:21 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: that's why I'm talking with you about it - I actually took a first look at implementing it | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | so the view doesn't get updated when you try to execute it | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | couch keeps it updated as records changed | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | so it is always fast | 18:22 |
| kklimonda | kenvandine: hmm.. that would be great | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | which is pretty nice | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | doing things like live searches wouldn't be great | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | mostly because of the size of the data | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | like search as you type | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | because it would have to look at the entire document and return the entire document over and over again | 18:24 |
| kklimonda | yeah, fortunately empathy doesn't do live searches | 18:24 |
| kklimonda | and it should be done using tracker anyway.. | 18:25 |
| * kklimonda wonders what is tracker's status currently.. | 18:25 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, ok u1 has two things... libubuntuone and libsyncdaemon (in u1-client) | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | bot require gir | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | both | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | so we'll need to test those | 18:26 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:27 |
| seb128 | who should we talk to? rodrigo_? | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | or dobey | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_ is out today | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | i let dobey know we'll want to test those | 18:27 |
| seb128 | well I will not start any transition today | 18:29 |
| seb128 | that will be for monday | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | ok | 18:30 |
| didrocks | transition on Friday? /quit :-) | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | great | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ^^ | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, hehe... then go far away from the keyboard all weekend | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | :) | 18:30 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: exactly, something like /quit I don't want to see that ;) | 18:30 |
| dobey | kenvandine: ok | 18:32 |
| dobey | i hope it doesn't break | 18:32 |
| nessita | hello all! quick question: ubuntu-sso-client package depends on dpkg >= 1.15.7.2, should I add that restriction to the debian/control file? or we can safely assume that in maverick dpkg will be good/new enough? | 19:07 |
| kklimonda | nessita: I'd add it - it doesn't cost you anything and may help if someone decides to backport it | 19:11 |
| nessita | kklimonda: right, I'll add it in my next release. Thanks! | 19:15 |
| mvo_ | hey glatzor | 19:32 |
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| devildante | hi all :) | 20:17 |
| hakermania | Hello guys, can anyone tell me what is the name of the remove-script in a deb package and where do I place it ?(I hope the name to be postrm and place it in the DEBIAN folder) | 21:08 |
| devildante_ | mpt, still here? I thought you were gone :p | 22:46 |
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| mpt | Hi devildante | 22:57 |
| devildante | hi mpt :) | 22:57 |
| mpt | I'm at home | 22:57 |
| devildante | sorry I wasn't here before, was busy with family stuff | 22:57 |
| devildante | ah | 22:58 |
| mpt | What are you up to? | 22:58 |
| devildante | mpt, what do you mean? (real life or coding? :p) | 22:58 |
| mpt | coding | 22:58 |
| devildante | mpt, fixing bugs, of course! :) | 22:58 |
| mpt | excellent | 22:58 |
| fagan | Oh and mpt I did up that wiki page good now | 23:08 |
| fagan | its still rough but still its a start | 23:08 |
| fagan | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamesIntegration | 23:08 |
| fagan | Oh and fyi I really really suck at wire frames :P | 23:08 |
| mpt | fagan, you also have no use cases yet | 23:09 |
| fagan | I do | 23:09 |
| fagan | for users really not for developers but i thought that was kinda unknown | 23:09 |
| mpt | oh, duh | 23:10 |
| mpt | I totally missed that section, sorry | 23:10 |
| fagan | :D | 23:10 |
| fagan | np | 23:10 |
| fagan | I put a link to steam at the bottom to see how they do it | 23:10 |
| mpt | It would also be useful to list what's good and bad about Steam, Battle.net, and iTunes GameCenter | 23:12 |
| fagan | Oh yeah good idea | 23:12 |
| fagan | ill have to research gamecenter I dont have a clue about that | 23:12 |
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