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rickspencer3robert_ancell, I just Won't Fixed bug #61060001:29
ubot2rickspencer3: Bug 610600 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/610600 is private01:29
rickspencer3dang it01:29
robert_ancellrickspencer3, fair enough01:31
chrisccoulsonhey robert_ancell01:37
chrisccoulsonyou're a thunderbird user aren't you?01:37
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, yes01:38
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, do you use lightning?01:38
chrisccoulsonoh, never mind then ;)01:38
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jhansonxiIs there a way to add to Nautilus Places during install?  I tried adding a .gtk-bookmarks to skel which added the new Places I wanted but eliminated the defaults which I wanted to keep.  It also encodes absolute paths and Nautilus won't accept relative (like ~/Documents).06:04
didrocksgood morning07:32
dpmmorning didrocks07:59
didrockshey dpm, how are you?07:59
dpmfine on a Friday morning :), and you?07:59
didrocksdpm: same here, seeing a bunch of mail backlog :)08:00
bratscheMorning didrocks08:07
didrockshey bratsche! Still awake?08:07
bratschedidrocks: Yeah.. been working on some code and it's keeping me from sleeping. :)08:08
didrocksbratsche: heh, hope you can enjoy a good and restful night once finished :-)08:09
bilalakhtarbratsche: Has the plan for GTK ARGB dropped for maverick?08:09
bratschebilalakhtar: Yeah.08:09
bilalakhtargarr, well, np08:10
bilalakhtarbratsche rocks!08:10
bratschebilalakhtar: Why?08:10
bilalakhtarbratsche: This was something everyone was awaiting in maverick08:10
bilalakhtarbratsche: What about natty?08:11
bratschebilalakhtar: The code is pretty much ready now I think, but we don't really have anything to use it for right now.08:11
bratscheThere's another thing that needs to be done to get it ready for upstream, I would like to find time to do that.08:12
bratscheBut that involves getting back on the wm-spec list, and hacking on mutter.  I'm not very excited by either of those. :)08:13
vishbratsche: hi , could you upload the gtk bug-fix in ubuntu? Bug #410636  ?  i'v tried poking upstream but they dont seem to want to review tseliot's patch :(08:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 410636 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Right-click should not pre-light first option, too easy to accidentally select the first Context-menu option. (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 36)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41063608:21
vishbratsche: got it reviewed by the accessibility team too..08:22
bratschevish: seb128 would need to approve this.08:23
vishbratsche: ah , ok.. i'll poke him.. i thought you uploaded gtk in ubuntu :)08:23
bratschevish: Have you applied the patch on your system?08:25
vishbratsche: yup.. there is a ppa too. i'v been using it for more than a month with no probs..08:26
* bilalakhtar wishes he had enough bandwidth and disk space to work on gtk08:26
bratscheHang on a minute, I'm going to try a change to the patch.08:26
bratscheActually, a few minutes.. it takes awhile to build. :)08:26
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glatzormvo, morning08:27
mvohey glatzor08:28
mvoglatzor: just saw your branch, many thanks.08:28
glatzormvo, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~glatzor/python-defer/trunk/revision/47208:29
glatzormvo, but I think that is to invasive for maverick08:29
glatzormvo, or what do you think? should I backport this to 0.3?08:29
mvoglatzor: let me check08:30
glatzormvo, would allow a cleaner syntax in the aptd backend08:31
mvoglatzor: it seems to be not too bad08:33
and471good morning08:48
vishoops.. got disconnected ..09:18
vish ^ , did i miss a reply from brat-sche :)09:18
alf__seb128: I saw that cairo-1.10 + cairo-perf was synced from debian. That is great, thanks!09:49
alf__slomo: ^^09:49
slomo  * debian/patches/server_side_gradients.patch:09:52
slomo    - don't use server side gradients, most drivers don't handle those and are09:52
slomo      really slow, should workaround performances issues for ati and nouveau09:52
slomothanks for telling me about that :P which drivers have problems with this? only ati (fglrx?) and nouveau?09:53
seb128alf__, you're welcome09:53
seb128slomo, seems everything but intel09:53
seb128mvo, has progress bars rendering in update-manager way slower without it09:53
seb128like it was taking 1.5 seconds rather than 0.1s09:53
slomothat explains why i didn't see any problems, i only have intel gpus ;)09:53
RAOFDidn't that also expose nvidia binary bugs, too?  All-white buttons and such.09:54
mvoslomo: 1.5 minutes!09:55
mvono kidding09:55
seb128slomo, well upstream thinks it's an hack and that we should not do that but get drivers fixed rather09:55
seb128that's why we don't recommend using the change :p09:55
seb128hey mvo09:56
seb128how are you?09:57
mvohey seb128!09:59
mvoseb128: good, the usual business before final freeze, but looking good overall09:59
seb128what do you think about maverick so far?10:00
slomoseb128: ok, another one of these stupid driver bugs :P10:07
slomoseb128: i hope nobody wants me to apply that patch for debian...10:08
seb128you don't really care, cairo 1.10 is only in experimental10:08
seb128when it reachs unstable you will have to deal with nouveau, nvidia, ati users10:08
slomoyes but unless they're filing bugs again only a few weeks before the release i'll tell them to get their drivers fixed10:10
seb128mvo, hear, get you driver fixed!10:11
seb128bah maverick is the crap on docked config with external screen10:12
seb128between g-s-d settings the config wrong and turning off the external screen when the lid is closed and xrandr --auto not doing the right thing either10:12
mvoseb128: maverick is doing amazingly well for me for a "edgy" release (lts+1)10:16
asacXMacSlow, hey ... can you tell jay to join some public channel, like this? :)10:22
asacXMacSlow, or tell me if clutk test cases work for you guys at all10:23
MacSlowasacX, I will mention it to him... but he's not up yet10:23
asacXMacSlow, here if just build clutk make check we get crash in animation test10:24
asacXMacSlow, will be back in a bit ... rebooting10:26
asacXMacSlow, any idea if the clutk test cases are supposed to work ?11:04
asacXsome work, but lots crash ... so wonder if you run them on trunk  :-P11:05
MacSlowasacX, on which GPU?11:08
asacXMacSlow, nvidia ... both mesa and proprietary11:50
asacXMacSlow, one backtrace i probed was in GLEW_init11:51
asacXactually we run this in a maverick chroot on lucid11:51
MacSlowasacX, don't the drivers of the host system and the chroot system get into each others way?12:10
MacSlowasacX, which test if failing again?12:11
MacSlowasacX, if "/Effect/Animation/Animation" does fail that's expected/known12:13
MacSlowasacX, we don't use animated effects, because they would be to costly on very low-end hardware12:13
MacSlowasacX, regarding releases of clutk and "make check" you've to wait for njpatel to return from holiday or ask kamstrup12:14
kamstrupMacSlow, asacX: make check on clutk has been failing me for some time (on i945 gpu). njpatel is aware of this12:17
MacSlowasacX, and atm we're fighting mem-leaks12:18
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seb128didrocks, hey there13:35
didrocksre seb12813:35
seb128didrocks, did you get the launchpad changes you need for your remaining key integration work items?13:36
seb128didrocks, now seems about time to set those to deferred if not13:36
didrocksseb128: no, I didn't, tried to ping this week jml again but he is on vacation, so will be for next cycle :/13:36
didrocksseb128: yeah, I was planning doing paperwork this evening. Will update all my WI13:36
seb128pedro_, ola13:44
pedro_salut seb12813:44
seb128pedro_, so retracers seem to stand :-)13:44
seb128nice isn't it ;-)13:44
pedro_yeah ;-)13:44
pedro_btw i'm giving priority to the maverick crashes13:44
seb128I guess lot of bugs in the backlog will be closed as outdated13:44
pedro_will check the lucid and previous later13:45
seb128pedro_, thanks!13:45
seb128did you spot any frequent one?13:45
pedro_not really13:45
seb128ok, great13:45
pedro_lot of dups of the bugs that area already fixed though13:45
seb128I guess we already knew about the annoying ones13:45
pedro_like the evince crash13:45
seb128we just didn't get retracing for those13:45
seb128right, we probably got quite a lot of those missing gsettings schemas crashers13:46
seb128or rhythmbox crashing on closing13:46
didrocksseb128: is thie rhythmbox crashing on closing recent?13:47
didrocks(like from yesterday)13:47
seb128didrocks, no, it was a libindicate bug and has been fixed this week13:48
seb128but it was there for some weeks so probably collected duplicates13:48
didrocksseb128: ok, I wondered as I saw it yesterday and then no more (but as I changed the call on closing, not sure it was related to my change)13:48
seb128you probably got the new libindicate between13:49
slomoseb128: gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.25-2 is uploaded now13:49
seb128slomo, thanks13:50
seb128I will do the 2 syncs from yesterday and this merge in a few minutes13:50
slomook :)13:51
didrocksyeah, probably, thanks :)13:51
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seb128didrocks, how do you manage to use bzr merge-upstream?14:29
seb128the thing is just buggy, I can't get it to work on anything14:29
didrocksseb128: yeah, thanks to james_w's fix14:29
seb128"bzr: ERROR: An inconsistent delta was supplied involving u'src/idorange.c', 'idorange.c-20100713002550-7fz0mbth3hf6nyrb-1'14:29
seb128reason: Attempt to add item at path already occupied by id 'idorange.c-20100715152536-ams4xe5g0o2vg6bu-2'14:29
didrocksseb128: hum, not the same issue I had14:29
didrocksseb128: I only had one issue in one branch, all the others were ok14:30
didrocksit seems you have two ids for the same file14:30
didrockswas it a file that was shipped in the tarball from the start? (seems it was added manually)14:30
seb128didrocks, I've no clue14:30
seb128it's lp:ubuntu/ido14:31
didrocksseb128: I can't help you a lot, but first, bzr ls --show-ids <dir> can show the file ids in both branch14:31
seb128bzr mu --version 0.1.12 http://edge.launchpad.net/ido/meerkat/0.1.12/+download/ido-0.1.12.tar.gz lp:ido14:31
didrocksthe upstream one is lp:ido?14:31
didrocksok, looking if I have the same issue14:31
seb128didrocks, thanks14:31
bcurtiswxkenvandine, j/w if u know already that gwibber has a tray icon now mysteriously, also clicking on the account icons on the bottom causes gwibber to gray out for a little bit.14:32
kenvandinebcurtiswx, known14:32
bcurtiswxkenvandine, OK :)14:32
kenvandinebcurtiswx, well... the tray icon should only be if it isn't in the indicator already14:32
kenvandineso if you are seeing that and you are using the messaging menu, that is probably a bug14:33
bcurtiswxkenvandine, yup i'm using the mm14:33
kenvandinechanging the account state with the toggle buttons is known, i'll fix that soon14:33
kenvandinebcurtiswx, are you running the maverick version of the ppa version?14:33
didrocksseb128: ok, got the same issue and bzr ls --show-ids src/ confirmed that you have two different ids for the same object14:34
* bcurtiswx looks14:34
seb128didrocks, how do I tell them it's the same object?14:34
didrocksseb128: I think there was a trick to change the id, let me look at my logs14:34
didrocks(I just try to find why the ids are different)14:34
bcurtiswxkenvandine, Installed: 2.31.92-0ubuntu1---Candidate: 2.31.92-0ubuntu114:34
didrocksseb128: ahah got it!14:34
didrocksseb128: it was added to 0.1.9-0ubuntu114:35
kenvandinebcurtiswx, are other apps using the messaging menu properly?14:35
didrocksseb128: which was a direct import of the upstream tarball, no trunk branch14:35
didrocksthis added a file from the tarball which wasn't in the packaging branch14:35
seb128didrocks, I didn't specify lp:ido by then14:35
didrocksand so, generated a new id14:36
didrocksseb128: it's not you, it's ken :)14:36
seb128lol ok14:36
didrocksseb128: the other file wasn't changed14:36
seb128how do we fix that?14:36
bcurtiswxkenvandine, so far empathy uses it fine (has the arrow), but gwibber does not have the arrow, and a tray icon14:36
didrocksseb128: so, it doesn't try to compare the id I guess14:36
kenvandinebcurtiswx, killall gwibber-service14:36
kenvandineand run it again14:36
kenvandinedoes it show up?14:36
didrockslet me looks at my logs, I'll try to find it14:36
bcurtiswxOK, one sec14:36
seb128didrocks, don't bother, I will wait for ted, I think he knows how to do that14:37
seb128didrocks, thanks for figuring the issue14:37
kenvandinebcurtiswx, if there is no "interest" for the indicator, it will display the status icon14:37
kenvandinebut there should be "interest" if the messaging menu is present14:37
bcurtiswxkenvandine, now it works OK.14:37
kenvandineok... it got a signal that there was no interest and fell back to status icon14:38
bcurtiswxi don't remember an apport popup saying gwibber-service died tho14:38
didrocksseb128: I maybe have something, let me try14:38
kenvandineno, it wasn't gwibber-service14:38
kenvandineit was indicator-messages-service14:38
kenvandinebcurtiswx, ^^14:38
kenvandineso that sent a signal that said it wasn't there anymore and it fell back14:38
bcurtiswxthat didn't die either... hum <shrugs>14:38
kenvandineperhaps during an upgrade?14:38
bcurtiswxcould be, but i have restarted since tho.14:39
kenvandinethat package was just updated...14:39
kenvandinebcurtiswx, let me know if it happens again14:39
bcurtiswxlemme restart and see if i can reproduce14:39
james_wseb128: that bug will be fixed in maverick today14:42
james_wit's fixed in bzr14:42
seb128didrocks, ^14:42
seb128james_w, thanks!14:42
didrocksoh ok :)14:42
didrocksjames_w: so, we will be able to use both bzr mu <tarball> <trunk> and bzr mu <tarball> ?14:42
james_wsorry for the inconvenience14:42
didrocksjames_w: without beeing scared of new files?14:43
james_wdidrocks: yes14:43
didrocksthat's good news :-)14:43
didrocksthanks james_w14:43
james_wdidrocks: if you use a branch once, you should use one always14:43
bcurtiswxkenvandine, so far so good, must've been an upgrade thing.  I do notice a lot of black vertical lines when starting tho14:43
james_wdidrocks: but if it's just a random package that doesn't have upstream using bzr then bzr mu <tarball> works fine14:43
didrocksjames_w: ok, great!14:43
kenvandinedidrocks, latest unity update i lost most of the default launchers, was that intentional?14:44
kenvandineall i have left are the places ones and the ones i created14:44
didrockskenvandine: yeah, I've changed ubuntu-netbook-default-settings to more sane default, but that makes people upgrading loosing some14:44
kenvandineok, that is fine14:45
* bcurtiswx tried the unity updates on his Radeon machine, its a bit better, but still quite buggy14:45
kenvandinethere was too many :)14:45
kenvandinebcurtiswx, which radeon ?14:45
didrockskenvandine: by default? I agree, hence the fact I remove some :)14:45
* kenvandine is hoping his r300 will start working14:45
kenvandinedidrocks, yeah... i am happier now :)14:45
kenvandinedidrocks, just making sure it was on purpose14:45
bcurtiswxkenvandine, im not quite sure which one exactly14:45
* bcurtiswx tries to remember how to find out14:46
didrockskenvandine: right, people who was just upgrading can have this small suprize, but new install are ok (or people who never changed the defaut) :)14:46
bcurtiswxkenvandine, ATI RS780M/RS780MN14:48
kenvandineah... much newer than mine :)14:49
bcurtiswxkenvandine, you know about the vertical black lines in the tray area that pop in and out?  I think all tray icons that go into mm do that14:51
kenvandinenever seen that14:51
seb128desrt, hey there14:51
kenvandinebcurtiswx, unity won't run on my ati laptop14:51
bcurtiswxwell it really doesn't run very well on mine, but at least things are less garbled from before14:52
slomo_seb128: btw, did you decide about gst-plugins-base already?14:53
seb128slomo_, decide what?I will just sync what you uploaded to debian14:53
slomo_oh good :) i thought you meant something else with the two syncs (gnonlin and gst0.10-python) and the merge (gst-plugins-good0.10)14:54
slomo_fine then :)14:54
bcurtiswxkenvandine, can you try this out.  quit gwibber completely.  Then load it and watch the left of the network tray icon.  I get a black vertical line that pops up for a second when gwibber loads14:54
bcurtiswxnoting that in my comp, the network icon is the left most icon in my tray14:55
kenvandinebcurtiswx, oh... i wouldn't see that... using ambiance14:55
* bcurtiswx is too :P its blacker than the gray panel :P14:56
kenvandineactually i see the network icon move briefly14:56
kenvandinebcurtiswx, could you please file a bug about that and assign it to me?14:56
bcurtiswxkenvandine, sure14:57
kenvandineit must be loading the status icon while it waits for a response from the mm14:57
bcurtiswxnot sure which package to assign it to, i think all tray icons that the MM grabs do that14:57
seb128slomo_, I forgot about gnonline thanks for the reminder14:57
chrisccoulsonseb128 - can you approve banshee-community-extensions currently in NEW? (sorry if someone has already asked you that)14:59
bcurtiswxkenvandine, ^^x214:59
seb128chrisccoulson, ok14:59
kenvandinebcurtiswx, gwibber15:00
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks :)15:00
kenvandinebcurtiswx, not sure if i can really fix it... i'll look after i finish some other stuff15:00
bcurtiswxkenvandine, Bug #63495715:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 634957 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63495715:09
bcurtiswxkenvandine, it happens for empathy as well.  Should I change package to indicator-applet or add indicator-applet and also add all apps that do this?15:12
kenvandinebcurtiswx, maybe15:13
kenvandinetedg, ^^ thoughts?15:13
tedgbcurtiswx, Is this at startup?15:14
tedgbcurtiswx, I mean, I have both of those run at startup and it's not an issue on my machine.15:14
kenvandinetedg, killall gwibber-service;gwibber-service15:14
bcurtiswxtedg, anytime you load an app that the messaging menu has15:14
kenvandinei see it, nm-applet moves over and back15:15
bcurtiswxtedg, focus on the left hand side of your tray (for me its by the network icon)15:15
bcurtiswxyou'll see maybe a black line, or just have movement15:15
kenvandinetedg, i think it is because i connect to the signal and wait for it15:15
kenvandinein the mean time it loads the status icon15:15
kenvandineand hides it when i get the signal15:16
kenvandineactually... that won't do it15:17
kenvandinekillall gwibber gwibber-service15:17
kenvandineand run gwibber15:17
tedgkenvandine, That sounds like a gwibber bug ;)15:17
kenvandinei agree it probably needs to be fixed in gwibber15:17
kenvandinebut bcurtiswx was pointing out he sees it in empathy too15:18
kenvandinewhich i haven't noticed either15:18
bcurtiswxtedg, happens with empathy too.15:18
* bcurtiswx breaks his machine for failing at being good15:18
tedgI don't think there's anything we can do in libindicate -- as we dont' control the status icon there.15:18
tedgUnless a signal on startup for "waited a reasonable amount of time" would be helpful.15:19
kenvandinetedg, that is what i was thinking15:19
kenvandineso gwibber only tries to load the status icon if check_interest returns False15:20
tedgYeah, but at startup check_interest will likely always return false as it hasn't even processed all the dbus messages.15:20
tedgYou need to wait a little bit of time for people to notice and take interest.15:20
bcurtiswxit happens on startup of any MM program (for me at least)15:21
bcurtiswxdoesn't have to be at startup15:21
bcurtiswxof the machine15:21
kenvandinei could probably rework that a little in gwibber to make it not rely on the call to check_interest15:22
kenvandinebasically assume if we created the indicator in the dispatch, assume we will have interest15:23
kenvandinewell, that is probably not a very good idea15:23
kenvandineso check_interest returns false, it loads the tray_icon then it gets the signal there is interest and hides the tray_icon15:24
kenvandineugly... but most reliable15:24
kenvandinei think15:24
kenvandinetedg, any suggestions to make that better?15:24
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bcurtiswxwell, it isn't a high priority bug in any instance, can be fixed for NN and ignored until then15:24
kenvandinei would hate to block loading to find out if there is interest or not15:25
kenvandinebcurtiswx, indeed... i would like to clean stuff like that up15:25
kenvandinebut i have other bugs higher in my queue :)15:25
bcurtiswxkenvandine, that was my point :)15:25
tedgkenvandine, I think there has to be a timeout.  So we could run the "interest changed" signal 500ms after startup even if no one responds.15:26
tedgkenvandine, And in that case change to "no interest" -- which I'm guessing you detect and show the icon.15:26
tedgkenvandine, So then you don't show it at all at startup, just when you get the signal.15:26
kenvandinetedg, that could smooth it out for sure15:27
bcurtiswxso is this an issue with libindicate or gwibber or both?15:29
tedgbcurtiswx, Both.  libindicate would need to sent the signal, and gwibber would not need to create on startup.15:30
kenvandinei could drop like 3 lines of code from gwibber... yippee15:30
bcurtiswxok tedg, would you like me to assign you to bug #634957?15:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 634957 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63495715:30
bcurtiswxi can re-word the title a bit15:31
eikelmtI need help with my wireless card which is acting up15:36
eikelmtlike right now, itis working perfekt, 5 min from now it might disconnect, if I try to reconnect it migt or migt not connect, most of the time not, then I have to reboot to connect again, reboot is only for MS people, logfiles telling me it is timing out15:38
eikelmtso I would be a very happy camper if someone can put me into the right directions15:39
vish!support | eikelmt15:39
ubot2eikelmt: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org15:39
eikelmti have been both places but no respons,15:39
eikelmtyou are the first one15:40
tedgbcurtiswx, Sure, make sure it has bug tasks for libindicate and gwibber though.  I dont' want kenvandine getting off the hook ;)15:40
visheikelmt: if no one knows the ans usually they dont reply.. try again a bit later, maybe someone who knows what the problem is might be online then :)15:40
bcurtiswxtedg, ken's already on it.15:41
eikelmtthanks vish, you are nice15:41
bcurtiswxcan someone confirm that empathy does the same thing in the tray? i can add that to the bug15:41
bcurtiswxjust looking for some movement when it's loaded15:41
bcurtiswxwell, i get no movement but I get a black bar really quickly..15:42
bcurtiswxkenvandine, once you get to that for gwibber, i'll take a look at those changes see if I can fix empathy too15:43
bcurtiswxtedg, OK, assigned. thx for your help :)15:45
bcurtiswxkenvandine, thx as well :)15:45
kenvandinetedg, did you get a desktop sharing request from me?15:55
tedgkenvandine, No, I don't think so.15:56
kenvandineok... didn't look like it went thourhg15:56
kenvandinevino-server isn't crashing anymore though :)15:56
tedgkenvandine, Heh, a step in the right direction?15:56
tedgkenvandine, I'd request one back, but my right click is broken right now...15:57
kenvandinei can't see why tedg is the only person in my buddy list that has a "Share my desktop" menu item15:57
kenvandinetedg, well your vino is broken too :)15:57
kenvandinei am fixing it now15:57
* tedg is to sezy for kenvandine's other contacts, too sexy indeed!15:57
seb128kenvandine, if the request goes out you should get a notification saying so15:58
kenvandineseb128, yeah, i didn't15:59
kenvandinebut it didn't crash either15:59
kenvandineseb128, i fixed the crash :)15:59
kenvandinebut it isn't working :)15:59
seb128do you still get the warnings?15:59
seb128try to revert the appindicator change15:59
seb128and see if it works15:59
* kenvandine looks at telepathy logs15:59
seb128it worked there15:59
kenvandineseb128, do you know how empathy decides if a user is capable of receiving the desktop sharing request?16:00
seb128cassidy, ^16:00
kenvandinei have tried with my second IM account in a lucid and maverick VM16:00
kenvandinebut it is disabled, tedg is the only one that i can find to share with :)16:01
seb128I can share with pedro16:01
seb128I guess it's people who run empathy16:01
kenvandineyeah... but a bunch of entries in my contact list that are empathy have that menu item disabled16:01
seb128mvo_, what jabber client do you use?16:01
kenvandineincluding my other test IM account16:01
kenvandinemy wife's and some others i know use empathy16:02
* tedg is still singing "I'm too sexy"16:02
kenvandineall disabled menu items16:02
kenvandinetedg is special :)16:02
seb128kenvandine, do they have vino installed and activated?16:02
seb128could be that you need it activated?16:02
seb128well I'm not sure16:02
seb128random guess16:02
kenvandinethe other end is vinagre16:02
kenvandinenot vino16:03
seb128I was just guessing16:03
seb128Zdra, ^16:03
Zdrakenvandine, seb128: vinaigre installs a .client file that tells MissionControl that we support "Share my desktop"16:04
seb128mclasen, the new gdk-pixbuf depends on a git version of gobject-introspection, is that wanted?16:04
mclasengoi 0.9.5 is being released as we speak16:04
seb128mclasen, ok thanks16:05
kenvandineZdra, ok, my lucid VM has that client file... but i don't have the share my desktop menu for the jabber account i have logged in from that VM16:07
kenvandinethe client i am not seeing it in is on maverick16:07
kenvandinesince i see it for tedg, i would think i would get it from my test user16:08
* kenvandine is looking at logs16:08
Zdrathinks could have changed in maverick, dunno16:09
Zdrakenvandine, you probably need to ask cassidy, but he is on weekend already16:09
bcurtiswxkenvandine, what account are you testing? (gchat, AIM, MSN) ?16:09
mvo_seb128: I use pdigin, why?16:11
seb128mvo_, I can't share my desktop with you in empathy, the menu is not active, I was wondering if that's a bug or if you use another client16:11
bcurtiswxwhat account type? seb12816:12
kenvandinebcurtiswx, gtalk16:12
kenvandinebcurtiswx, it works lucid to lucid16:12
kenvandinewith the same accounts16:12
desrtseb128: hey16:22
seb128desrt, hello16:22
seb128desrt, unping, I was wondering something about dconf but figured it out16:23
didrockschrisccoulson: ok, apparently, they fixed the soyuz issue (currently testing in pre-production), nothing will be done for existing non closed bug though16:26
seb128kenvandine, so bug #52253816:32
seb128what's the status of this one?16:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 522538 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "gwibber-service crashed with error in connect() (affects: 705) (dups: 179) (heat: 3042)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52253816:32
seb128kenvandine, it's on the release agenda for our team for 3 weeks now16:32
kiwinotedidrocks: hi! are you aware of segfaults when using "inventory on ubuntu one"? eg bug 63312116:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 633121 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with SIGSEGV in free() (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63312116:32
seb128I would like to get it sorted ;-)16:32
didrockskiwinote: hum, no, let me see16:33
kenvandineseb128, indeed...16:33
didrockskiwinote: waow, a real stack… not a python exception…16:33
kenvandinelet me check with chad again...16:34
seb128kenvandine, is that a desktopcouch issue or gwibber one?16:34
didrockskiwinote: let's see once retraced16:34
seb128kenvandine, who is in charge of getting it solved?16:34
kenvandineneither... but affects both16:34
kenvandineit is actually python-httplib16:34
kenvandineat least that is what chad says is causing it16:34
kenvandinewe worked around it as much as we can in desktopcouch16:34
kenvandinebut forcing a reconnect16:34
kenvandinebut it still happens sometimes16:35
kenvandinei think he has desktopcouch changes to help handle it better that hasn't landed yet16:35
seb128kenvandine, can we fix python-httplib?16:35
kenvandinebut i have no idea why...16:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 523327 in python-httplib2 (Ubuntu) "python-httplib2 crashes with AttributeError in __init__() if connection refused (affects: 5) (heat: 47)" [Medium,Confirmed]16:36
kenvandineseb128, chad was trying to fix that16:36
kenvandinebut wasn't getting anywhere last i checked with him16:37
chrisccoulsondidrocks - cool, thanks16:37
kenvandineseb128, i'll talk to josh to have them escalate these16:37
seb128should that bug be on the u1 list rather than ours?16:38
kenvandineseb128, however... it doesn't actually affect anything in the default install16:38
kenvandineit mostly affects lucid16:38
seb128well people keep adding comment saying it affects gwibber in lucid16:38
kenvandineyes, gwibber in lucid is affected16:38
kenvandinebecause desktopcouch blows up16:39
seb128ok, not an issue for maverick though?16:39
kenvandineit could still happen16:39
kenvandinebut not as likely16:39
kenvandinesince gwibber isn't using it anymore16:39
seb128I will lower the maverick task16:39
kenvandinecould affect oneconf :)16:39
ricotzseb128, i saw the failure, gupnp depends on gssdp so the gir file of gssdp needs to be up2date first16:51
seb128ricotz, so it just needs a retry later on?16:51
ricotzseb128, yes16:52
seb128ok thanks16:53
vishseb128: hi , not sure what to do about Bug #410636  ?  i'v tried poking upstream but they just dont seem to want to review tseliot's patch :( but tseliot has a working patch+ppa and it works good.. been using it for more than a month.. can we patch this in ubuntu alone?16:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 410636 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Right-click should not pre-light first option, too easy to accidentally select the first Context-menu option. (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 36)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41063616:59
seb128vish, try asking mclasen?16:59
seb128if he can get the change reviewed17:00
vishok.. mclasen ^ could you have a look at : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591258  ?17:00
ubot2Gnome bug 591258 in gtk "Easy to accidentally select first option in popup menus" [Minor,Unconfirmed]17:00
vishmclasen: it has quite a few number of dups in lp too.. and the patch works quite well without problems..17:01
mclasenvish: I think the patch as is will only achieve the desired effect if xthickness < DEFAULT_POPUP_DISPLACEMENT ?17:08
vishmclasen: dont think so.. afaik it just adds displacement of 2px irrespective of the xthickness .. tseliot might know more though17:10
mclasenvish: also, the patch will do nothing for menus that have a position_func17:10
mclasenanyway, I'll comment17:10
vishmclasen: ok , thanks.. :)17:11
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seb128bah, I just hate git17:27
seb128how do I checkout gnome-settings-daemon gnome-2-3217:27
didrocksseb128: git clone git://git.gnome.org/gnome-settings-daemon && git checkout gnome-2-3217:31
didrocks(I think)17:32
seb128yeah, I managed to do it now, thanks17:33
seb128brb gsd testing17:34
seb128kenvandine, hey18:03
seb128kenvandine, is anybody depending on gir?18:03
seb128gwibber, u1, dx?18:03
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kenvandinei don't think anything in the default install18:08
kenvandinebut i am not certain18:08
kenvandinegwibber isn't18:08
kenvandinei toyed with moving to webkit with gir, but decided not to take the leap18:09
kklimondakenvandine: is gwibber still using couchdb for message store?18:12
kenvandinekklimonda, nope18:12
kklimondakenvandine: why is that? performance issues with couchdb or something on gwibber's side?18:12
kenvandineperformance and reliability18:12
kenvandinecouchdb was slow to startup18:13
kenvandineand there were quite a few reliability issues18:13
kenvandineperformance was a big issues for some people18:13
kklimondakenvandine: so what will happen to the OneConf and syncing of empathy logs etc.?is it still on the radar?18:14
kenvandinethat should all be fine18:14
kenvandinedecent uses for desktopcouch18:14
seb128kenvandine, ok, can you check next week ie on monday?18:15
kenvandinebut depending on access to the db for a user application like gwibber was painful18:15
seb128or today?18:15
seb128at least with u1 guys18:15
kenvandinei can ask them now18:15
seb128we will probably have to take the gir abi break18:15
seb128since GNOME 2.32 depends on the new version18:15
kenvandineoh, that will break everything that uses gir, right?18:15
kenvandineuntil they get rebuilt?18:15
seb128it's late for such changes but we have no better option18:15
seb128I will try to rebuild things on the way18:16
seb128I'm rather concerned about breaking clients18:16
seb128or potential breakages18:16
seb128rebuilding rdepends should be ok18:16
seb128we will update GNOME to 2.31.92 on monday anyway18:16
kenvandinei am asking if u1 knows of anything, but i am pretty certain they don't actually depend on it18:17
kklimondakenvandine: define "decent" - log store for telepathy would either have to store each message as a separate document (we are talking tens of thousands of them for more active users ) or do a lot of document updates :)18:18
kenvandinekklimonda, but that doesn18:19
kenvandine't block the UI18:19
kklimondakenvandine: indeed, at least as long as the user don't browse chat history or, god forbid, try to search for something :)18:20
kenvandineand the number of documents doesn't seem to really cause a big performance hit18:20
kenvandineit is faster than you would expect18:21
kenvandineassuming you define a view18:21
kenvandineit stores a btree cache for views18:21
kenvandineand refreshes that as records change18:21
kklimondakenvandine: even if views are only seldom used?18:21
kenvandinenot when the client needs them18:21
kklimondakenvandine: yeah, I know the theory but you have practice :)18:21
kklimondakenvandine: that's why I'm talking with you about it - I actually took a first look at implementing it18:22
kenvandineso the view doesn't get updated when you try to execute it18:22
kenvandinecouch keeps it updated as records changed18:22
kenvandineso it is always fast18:22
kklimondakenvandine: hmm.. that would be great18:22
kenvandinewhich is pretty nice18:22
kenvandinedoing things like live searches wouldn't be great18:23
kenvandinemostly because of the size of the data18:23
kenvandinelike search as you type18:23
kenvandinebecause it would have to look at the entire document and return the entire document over and over again18:24
kklimondayeah, fortunately empathy doesn't do live searches18:24
kklimondaand it should be done using tracker anyway..18:25
* kklimonda wonders what is tracker's status currently..18:25
kenvandineseb128, ok u1 has two things... libubuntuone and libsyncdaemon (in u1-client)18:26
kenvandinebot require gir18:26
kenvandineso we'll need to test those18:26
seb128who should we talk to? rodrigo_?18:27
kenvandineor dobey18:27
kenvandinerodrigo_ is out today18:27
kenvandinei let dobey know we'll want to test those18:27
seb128well I will not start any transition today18:29
seb128that will be for monday18:29
didrockstransition on Friday? /quit :-)18:30
kenvandinedobey, ^^18:30
kenvandinedidrocks, hehe... then go far away from the keyboard all weekend18:30
didrockskenvandine: exactly, something like /quit I don't want to see that ;)18:30
dobeykenvandine: ok18:32
dobeyi hope it doesn't break18:32
nessitahello all! quick question: ubuntu-sso-client package depends on dpkg >=, should I add that restriction to the debian/control file? or we can safely assume that in maverick dpkg will be good/new enough?19:07
kklimondanessita: I'd add it - it doesn't cost you anything and may help if someone decides to backport it19:11
nessitakklimonda: right, I'll add it in my next release. Thanks!19:15
mvo_hey glatzor19:32
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devildantehi all :)20:17
hakermaniaHello guys, can anyone tell me what is the name of the remove-script in a deb package and where do I place it ?(I hope the name to be postrm and place it in the DEBIAN folder)21:08
devildante_mpt, still here? I thought you were gone :p22:46
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mptHi devildante22:57
devildantehi mpt :)22:57
mptI'm at home22:57
devildantesorry I wasn't here before, was busy with family stuff22:57
mptWhat are you up to?22:58
devildantempt, what do you mean? (real life or coding? :p)22:58
devildantempt, fixing bugs, of course! :)22:58
faganOh and mpt I did up that wiki page good now23:08
faganits still rough but still its a start23:08
faganOh and fyi I really really suck at wire frames :P23:08
mptfagan, you also have no use cases yet23:09
faganI do23:09
faganfor users really not for developers but i thought that was kinda unknown23:09
mptoh, duh23:10
mptI totally missed that section, sorry23:10
faganI put a link to steam at the bottom to see how they do it23:10
mptIt would also be useful to list what's good and bad about Steam, Battle.net, and iTunes GameCenter23:12
faganOh yeah good idea23:12
faganill have to research gamecenter I dont have a clue about that23:12
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