=== eeejay` is now known as eeejay [01:29] robert_ancell, I just Won't Fixed bug #610600 [01:29] rickspencer3: Bug 610600 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/610600 is private [01:29] dang it [01:31] rickspencer3, fair enough [01:37] hey robert_ancell [01:37] you're a thunderbird user aren't you? [01:38] chrisccoulson, yes [01:38] robert_ancell, do you use lightning? [01:38] no [01:38] oh, never mind then ;) === SmSpilla1 is now known as SmSpillaz [06:04] Is there a way to add to Nautilus Places during install? I tried adding a .gtk-bookmarks to skel which added the new Places I wanted but eliminated the defaults which I wanted to keep. It also encodes absolute paths and Nautilus won't accept relative (like ~/Documents). [07:32] good morning [07:59] morning didrocks [07:59] hey dpm, how are you? [07:59] fine on a Friday morning :), and you? [08:00] dpm: same here, seeing a bunch of mail backlog :) [08:00] :) [08:07] Morning didrocks [08:07] hey bratsche! Still awake? [08:08] didrocks: Yeah.. been working on some code and it's keeping me from sleeping. :) [08:09] bratsche: heh, hope you can enjoy a good and restful night once finished :-) [08:09] bratsche: Has the plan for GTK ARGB dropped for maverick? [08:09] bilalakhtar: Yeah. [08:10] garr, well, np [08:10] bratsche rocks! [08:10] bilalakhtar: Why? [08:10] bratsche: This was something everyone was awaiting in maverick [08:11] bratsche: What about natty? [08:11] bilalakhtar: The code is pretty much ready now I think, but we don't really have anything to use it for right now. [08:12] There's another thing that needs to be done to get it ready for upstream, I would like to find time to do that. [08:13] But that involves getting back on the wm-spec list, and hacking on mutter. I'm not very excited by either of those. :) [08:21] bratsche: hi , could you upload the gtk bug-fix in ubuntu? Bug #410636 ? i'v tried poking upstream but they dont seem to want to review tseliot's patch :( [08:21] Launchpad bug 410636 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Right-click should not pre-light first option, too easy to accidentally select the first Context-menu option. (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 36)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410636 [08:22] bratsche: got it reviewed by the accessibility team too.. [08:23] vish: seb128 would need to approve this. [08:23] bratsche: ah , ok.. i'll poke him.. i thought you uploaded gtk in ubuntu :) [08:24] Nope. [08:25] vish: Have you applied the patch on your system? [08:26] bratsche: yup.. there is a ppa too. i'v been using it for more than a month with no probs.. [08:26] * bilalakhtar wishes he had enough bandwidth and disk space to work on gtk [08:26] Hang on a minute, I'm going to try a change to the patch. [08:26] thanks. [08:26] Actually, a few minutes.. it takes awhile to build. :) [08:27] ;) === zyga-gone is now known as zyga [08:27] mvo, morning [08:28] hey glatzor [08:28] glatzor: just saw your branch, many thanks. [08:29] mvo, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~glatzor/python-defer/trunk/revision/472 [08:29] mvo, but I think that is to invasive for maverick [08:29] mvo, or what do you think? should I backport this to 0.3? [08:30] glatzor: let me check [08:31] mvo, would allow a cleaner syntax in the aptd backend [08:33] glatzor: it seems to be not too bad [08:42] hey [08:48] good morning [09:18] oops.. got disconnected .. [09:18] ^ , did i miss a reply from brat-sche :) [09:27] morning [09:49] seb128: I saw that cairo-1.10 + cairo-perf was synced from debian. That is great, thanks! [09:49] slomo: ^^ [09:52] * debian/patches/server_side_gradients.patch: [09:52] - don't use server side gradients, most drivers don't handle those and are [09:52] really slow, should workaround performances issues for ati and nouveau [09:52] hm [09:53] thanks for telling me about that :P which drivers have problems with this? only ati (fglrx?) and nouveau? [09:53] alf__, you're welcome [09:53] slomo, seems everything but intel [09:53] mvo, has progress bars rendering in update-manager way slower without it [09:53] like it was taking 1.5 seconds rather than 0.1s [09:53] that explains why i didn't see any problems, i only have intel gpus ;) [09:54] Didn't that also expose nvidia binary bugs, too? All-white buttons and such. [09:54] right [09:55] slomo: 1.5 minutes! [09:55] no kidding [09:55] slomo, well upstream thinks it's an hack and that we should not do that but get drivers fixed rather [09:55] that's why we don't recommend using the change :p [09:56] ups [09:56] hey mvo [09:57] how are you? [09:59] hey seb128! [09:59] seb128: good, the usual business before final freeze, but looking good overall [10:00] hehe [10:00] what do you think about maverick so far? [10:07] seb128: ok, another one of these stupid driver bugs :P [10:08] seb128: i hope nobody wants me to apply that patch for debian... [10:08] yeah [10:08] you don't really care, cairo 1.10 is only in experimental [10:08] when it reachs unstable you will have to deal with nouveau, nvidia, ati users [10:10] yes but unless they're filing bugs again only a few weeks before the release i'll tell them to get their drivers fixed [10:11] mvo, hear, get you driver fixed! [10:11] ;-) [10:12] bah maverick is the crap on docked config with external screen [10:12] between g-s-d settings the config wrong and turning off the external screen when the lid is closed and xrandr --auto not doing the right thing either [10:16] seb128: maverick is doing amazingly well for me for a "edgy" release (lts+1) [10:22] MacSlow, hey ... can you tell jay to join some public channel, like this? :) [10:23] MacSlow, or tell me if clutk test cases work for you guys at all [10:23] asacX, I will mention it to him... but he's not up yet [10:24] MacSlow, here if just build clutk make check we get crash in animation test [10:26] MacSlow, will be back in a bit ... rebooting [11:04] MacSlow, any idea if the clutk test cases are supposed to work ? [11:05] some work, but lots crash ... so wonder if you run them on trunk :-P [11:08] asacX, on which GPU? [11:50] MacSlow, nvidia ... both mesa and proprietary [11:51] MacSlow, one backtrace i probed was in GLEW_init [11:51] actually we run this in a maverick chroot on lucid [12:10] asacX, don't the drivers of the host system and the chroot system get into each others way? [12:11] asacX, which test if failing again? [12:13] asacX, if "/Effect/Animation/Animation" does fail that's expected/known [12:13] asacX, we don't use animated effects, because they would be to costly on very low-end hardware [12:14] asacX, regarding releases of clutk and "make check" you've to wait for njpatel to return from holiday or ask kamstrup [12:17] MacSlow, asacX: make check on clutk has been failing me for some time (on i945 gpu). njpatel is aware of this [12:18] asacX, and atm we're fighting mem-leaks === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:35] didrocks, hey there [13:35] re seb128 [13:36] didrocks, did you get the launchpad changes you need for your remaining key integration work items? [13:36] didrocks, now seems about time to set those to deferred if not [13:36] seb128: no, I didn't, tried to ping this week jml again but he is on vacation, so will be for next cycle :/ [13:36] seb128: yeah, I was planning doing paperwork this evening. Will update all my WI [13:37] thanks [13:38] yw [13:44] pedro_, ola [13:44] salut seb128 [13:44] pedro_, so retracers seem to stand :-) [13:44] nice isn't it ;-) [13:44] yeah ;-) [13:44] btw i'm giving priority to the maverick crashes [13:44] I guess lot of bugs in the backlog will be closed as outdated [13:45] will check the lucid and previous later [13:45] pedro_, thanks! [13:45] did you spot any frequent one? [13:45] not really [13:45] ok, great [13:45] lot of dups of the bugs that area already fixed though [13:45] I guess we already knew about the annoying ones [13:45] like the evince crash [13:45] we just didn't get retracing for those [13:45] yeah [13:46] right, we probably got quite a lot of those missing gsettings schemas crashers [13:46] or rhythmbox crashing on closing [13:47] seb128: is thie rhythmbox crashing on closing recent? [13:47] (like from yesterday) [13:48] didrocks, no, it was a libindicate bug and has been fixed this week [13:48] but it was there for some weeks so probably collected duplicates [13:48] seb128: ok, I wondered as I saw it yesterday and then no more (but as I changed the call on closing, not sure it was related to my change) [13:49] you probably got the new libindicate between [13:49] seb128: gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.25-2 is uploaded now [13:50] slomo, thanks [13:50] I will do the 2 syncs from yesterday and this merge in a few minutes [13:51] ok :) [13:51] yeah, probably, thanks :) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [14:29] didrocks, how do you manage to use bzr merge-upstream? [14:29] the thing is just buggy, I can't get it to work on anything [14:29] seb128: yeah, thanks to james_w's fix [14:29] "bzr: ERROR: An inconsistent delta was supplied involving u'src/idorange.c', 'idorange.c-20100713002550-7fz0mbth3hf6nyrb-1' [14:29] reason: Attempt to add item at path already occupied by id 'idorange.c-20100715152536-ams4xe5g0o2vg6bu-2' [14:29] " [14:29] seb128: hum, not the same issue I had [14:30] seb128: I only had one issue in one branch, all the others were ok [14:30] it seems you have two ids for the same file [14:30] was it a file that was shipped in the tarball from the start? (seems it was added manually) [14:30] didrocks, I've no clue [14:31] it's lp:ubuntu/ido [14:31] seb128: I can't help you a lot, but first, bzr ls --show-ids can show the file ids in both branch [14:31] bzr mu --version 0.1.12 http://edge.launchpad.net/ido/meerkat/0.1.12/+download/ido-0.1.12.tar.gz lp:ido [14:31] the upstream one is lp:ido? [14:31] ok, looking if I have the same issue [14:31] didrocks, thanks [14:32] kenvandine, j/w if u know already that gwibber has a tray icon now mysteriously, also clicking on the account icons on the bottom causes gwibber to gray out for a little bit. [14:32] bcurtiswx, known [14:32] kenvandine, OK :) [14:32] bcurtiswx, well... the tray icon should only be if it isn't in the indicator already [14:33] so if you are seeing that and you are using the messaging menu, that is probably a bug [14:33] kenvandine, yup i'm using the mm [14:33] changing the account state with the toggle buttons is known, i'll fix that soon [14:33] humm [14:33] bcurtiswx, are you running the maverick version of the ppa version? [14:34] seb128: ok, got the same issue and bzr ls --show-ids src/ confirmed that you have two different ids for the same object [14:34] hmm [14:34] * bcurtiswx looks [14:34] didrocks, how do I tell them it's the same object? [14:34] seb128: I think there was a trick to change the id, let me look at my logs [14:34] (I just try to find why the ids are different) [14:34] kenvandine, Installed: 2.31.92-0ubuntu1---Candidate: 2.31.92-0ubuntu1 [14:34] ok [14:34] seb128: ahah got it! [14:35] humm [14:35] seb128: it was added to 0.1.9-0ubuntu1 [14:35] bcurtiswx, are other apps using the messaging menu properly? [14:35] seb128: which was a direct import of the upstream tarball, no trunk branch [14:35] this added a file from the tarball which wasn't in the packaging branch [14:35] didrocks, I didn't specify lp:ido by then [14:36] and so, generated a new id [14:36] ? [14:36] ok [14:36] seb128: it's not you, it's ken :) [14:36] lol ok [14:36] seb128: the other file wasn't changed [14:36] how do we fix that? [14:36] kenvandine, so far empathy uses it fine (has the arrow), but gwibber does not have the arrow, and a tray icon [14:36] seb128: so, it doesn't try to compare the id I guess [14:36] bcurtiswx, killall gwibber-service [14:36] and run it again [14:36] does it show up? [14:36] let me looks at my logs, I'll try to find it [14:36] OK, one sec [14:37] didrocks, don't bother, I will wait for ted, I think he knows how to do that [14:37] didrocks, thanks for figuring the issue [14:37] bcurtiswx, if there is no "interest" for the indicator, it will display the status icon [14:37] but there should be "interest" if the messaging menu is present [14:37] kenvandine, now it works OK. [14:38] ok... it got a signal that there was no interest and fell back to status icon [14:38] i don't remember an apport popup saying gwibber-service died tho [14:38] seb128: I maybe have something, let me try [14:38] no, it wasn't gwibber-service [14:38] it was indicator-messages-service [14:38] bcurtiswx, ^^ [14:38] so that sent a signal that said it wasn't there anymore and it fell back [14:38] that didn't die either... hum [14:38] perhaps during an upgrade? [14:39] could be, but i have restarted since tho. [14:39] that package was just updated... [14:39] humm [14:39] ok [14:39] bcurtiswx, let me know if it happens again [14:39] lemme restart and see if i can reproduce [14:39] thx [14:39] brb [14:42] seb128: that bug will be fixed in maverick today [14:42] it's fixed in bzr [14:42] didrocks, ^ [14:42] james_w, thanks! [14:42] oh ok :) [14:42] james_w: so, we will be able to use both bzr mu and bzr mu ? [14:42] sorry for the inconvenience [14:43] james_w: without beeing scared of new files? [14:43] didrocks: yes [14:43] that's good news :-) [14:43] thanks james_w [14:43] didrocks: if you use a branch once, you should use one always [14:43] kenvandine, so far so good, must've been an upgrade thing. I do notice a lot of black vertical lines when starting tho [14:43] didrocks: but if it's just a random package that doesn't have upstream using bzr then bzr mu works fine [14:43] james_w: ok, great! [14:44] didrocks, latest unity update i lost most of the default launchers, was that intentional? [14:44] all i have left are the places ones and the ones i created [14:44] kenvandine: yeah, I've changed ubuntu-netbook-default-settings to more sane default, but that makes people upgrading loosing some [14:45] ok, that is fine [14:45] * bcurtiswx tried the unity updates on his Radeon machine, its a bit better, but still quite buggy [14:45] there was too many :) [14:45] bcurtiswx, which radeon ? [14:45] kenvandine: by default? I agree, hence the fact I remove some :) [14:45] * kenvandine is hoping his r300 will start working [14:45] didrocks, yeah... i am happier now :) [14:45] didrocks, just making sure it was on purpose [14:45] kenvandine, im not quite sure which one exactly [14:46] * bcurtiswx tries to remember how to find out [14:46] kenvandine: right, people who was just upgrading can have this small suprize, but new install are ok (or people who never changed the defaut) :) [14:48] kenvandine, ATI RS780M/RS780MN [14:49] ah... much newer than mine :) [14:51] kenvandine, you know about the vertical black lines in the tray area that pop in and out? I think all tray icons that go into mm do that [14:51] nope [14:51] never seen that [14:51] desrt, hey there [14:51] bcurtiswx, unity won't run on my ati laptop [14:52] well it really doesn't run very well on mine, but at least things are less garbled from before [14:52] hehe [14:53] seb128: btw, did you decide about gst-plugins-base already? [14:53] slomo_, decide what?I will just sync what you uploaded to debian [14:54] oh good :) i thought you meant something else with the two syncs (gnonlin and gst0.10-python) and the merge (gst-plugins-good0.10) [14:54] fine then :) [14:54] kenvandine, can you try this out. quit gwibber completely. Then load it and watch the left of the network tray icon. I get a black vertical line that pops up for a second when gwibber loads [14:55] noting that in my comp, the network icon is the left most icon in my tray [14:55] bcurtiswx, oh... i wouldn't see that... using ambiance [14:56] * bcurtiswx is too :P its blacker than the gray panel :P [14:56] actually i see the network icon move briefly [14:56] humm [14:56] bcurtiswx, could you please file a bug about that and assign it to me? [14:57] kenvandine, sure [14:57] it must be loading the status icon while it waits for a response from the mm [14:57] thx [14:57] not sure which package to assign it to, i think all tray icons that the MM grabs do that [14:57] slomo_, I forgot about gnonline thanks for the reminder [14:59] seb128 - can you approve banshee-community-extensions currently in NEW? (sorry if someone has already asked you that) [14:59] kenvandine, ^^x2 [14:59] chrisccoulson, ok [15:00] bcurtiswx, gwibber [15:00] seb128 - thanks :) [15:00] bcurtiswx, not sure if i can really fix it... i'll look after i finish some other stuff [15:09] kenvandine, Bug #634957 [15:09] Launchpad bug 634957 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634957 [15:12] kenvandine, it happens for empathy as well. Should I change package to indicator-applet or add indicator-applet and also add all apps that do this? [15:13] bcurtiswx, maybe [15:13] tedg, ^^ thoughts? [15:14] bcurtiswx, Is this at startup? [15:14] bcurtiswx, I mean, I have both of those run at startup and it's not an issue on my machine. [15:14] tedg, killall gwibber-service;gwibber-service [15:14] tedg, anytime you load an app that the messaging menu has [15:15] i see it, nm-applet moves over and back [15:15] tedg, focus on the left hand side of your tray (for me its by the network icon) [15:15] you'll see maybe a black line, or just have movement [15:15] tedg, i think it is because i connect to the signal and wait for it [15:15] in the mean time it loads the status icon [15:16] and hides it when i get the signal [15:17] actually... that won't do it [15:17] killall gwibber gwibber-service [15:17] and run gwibber [15:17] kenvandine, That sounds like a gwibber bug ;) [15:17] i agree it probably needs to be fixed in gwibber [15:18] but bcurtiswx was pointing out he sees it in empathy too [15:18] which i haven't noticed either [15:18] tedg, happens with empathy too. [15:18] * bcurtiswx breaks his machine for failing at being good [15:18] I don't think there's anything we can do in libindicate -- as we dont' control the status icon there. [15:19] Unless a signal on startup for "waited a reasonable amount of time" would be helpful. [15:19] tedg, that is what i was thinking [15:19] humm [15:20] so gwibber only tries to load the status icon if check_interest returns False [15:20] Yeah, but at startup check_interest will likely always return false as it hasn't even processed all the dbus messages. [15:20] You need to wait a little bit of time for people to notice and take interest. [15:21] it happens on startup of any MM program (for me at least) [15:21] doesn't have to be at startup [15:21] of the machine [15:22] i could probably rework that a little in gwibber to make it not rely on the call to check_interest [15:23] basically assume if we created the indicator in the dispatch, assume we will have interest [15:23] well, that is probably not a very good idea [15:23] :) [15:24] so check_interest returns false, it loads the tray_icon then it gets the signal there is interest and hides the tray_icon [15:24] ugly... but most reliable [15:24] i think [15:24] tedg, any suggestions to make that better? === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:24] well, it isn't a high priority bug in any instance, can be fixed for NN and ignored until then [15:25] i would hate to block loading to find out if there is interest or not [15:25] bcurtiswx, indeed... i would like to clean stuff like that up [15:25] but i have other bugs higher in my queue :) [15:25] kenvandine, that was my point :) [15:26] kenvandine, I think there has to be a timeout. So we could run the "interest changed" signal 500ms after startup even if no one responds. [15:26] kenvandine, And in that case change to "no interest" -- which I'm guessing you detect and show the icon. [15:26] yes [15:26] kenvandine, So then you don't show it at all at startup, just when you get the signal. [15:27] tedg, that could smooth it out for sure [15:29] so is this an issue with libindicate or gwibber or both? [15:29] both [15:30] bcurtiswx, Both. libindicate would need to sent the signal, and gwibber would not need to create on startup. [15:30] i could drop like 3 lines of code from gwibber... yippee [15:30] ok tedg, would you like me to assign you to bug #634957? [15:30] Launchpad bug 634957 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Messaging menu not grabbing gwibber tray icon quickly enough (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634957 [15:31] i can re-word the title a bit [15:36] I need help with my wireless card which is acting up [15:38] like right now, itis working perfekt, 5 min from now it might disconnect, if I try to reconnect it migt or migt not connect, most of the time not, then I have to reboot to connect again, reboot is only for MS people, logfiles telling me it is timing out [15:39] so I would be a very happy camper if someone can put me into the right directions [15:39] !support | eikelmt [15:39] eikelmt: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org [15:39] i have been both places but no respons, [15:40] you are the first one [15:40] bcurtiswx, Sure, make sure it has bug tasks for libindicate and gwibber though. I dont' want kenvandine getting off the hook ;) [15:40] eikelmt: if no one knows the ans usually they dont reply.. try again a bit later, maybe someone who knows what the problem is might be online then :) [15:41] tedg, ken's already on it. [15:41] thanks vish, you are nice [15:41] np.. [15:41] can someone confirm that empathy does the same thing in the tray? i can add that to the bug [15:41] just looking for some movement when it's loaded [15:42] well, i get no movement but I get a black bar really quickly.. [15:43] kenvandine, once you get to that for gwibber, i'll take a look at those changes see if I can fix empathy too [15:45] tedg, OK, assigned. thx for your help :) [15:45] kenvandine, thx as well :) [15:55] tedg, did you get a desktop sharing request from me? [15:56] kenvandine, No, I don't think so. [15:56] ok... didn't look like it went thourhg [15:56] through [15:56] vino-server isn't crashing anymore though :) [15:56] kenvandine, Heh, a step in the right direction? [15:57] s/?/!/ [15:57] kenvandine, I'd request one back, but my right click is broken right now... [15:57] i can't see why tedg is the only person in my buddy list that has a "Share my desktop" menu item [15:57] tedg, well your vino is broken too :) [15:57] i am fixing it now [15:57] * tedg is to sezy for kenvandine's other contacts, too sexy indeed! [15:58] sexy [15:58] :) [15:58] kenvandine, if the request goes out you should get a notification saying so [15:59] seb128, yeah, i didn't [15:59] but it didn't crash either [15:59] debugging [15:59] seb128, i fixed the crash :) [15:59] but it isn't working :) [15:59] do you still get the warnings? [15:59] no [15:59] ok [15:59] try to revert the appindicator change [15:59] and see if it works [15:59] * kenvandine looks at telepathy logs [15:59] it worked there [16:00] seb128, do you know how empathy decides if a user is capable of receiving the desktop sharing request? [16:00] cassidy, ^ [16:00] i have tried with my second IM account in a lucid and maverick VM [16:01] but it is disabled, tedg is the only one that i can find to share with :) [16:01] I can share with pedro [16:01] I guess it's people who run empathy [16:01] yeah... but a bunch of entries in my contact list that are empathy have that menu item disabled [16:01] mvo_, what jabber client do you use? [16:01] including my other test IM account [16:02] etc [16:02] my wife's and some others i know use empathy [16:02] * tedg is still singing "I'm too sexy" [16:02] all disabled menu items [16:02]