kklimondamanjo: it's pretty easy to change that00:00
manjokklimonda, yeah edit files ..00:01
penguin42kklimonda: Careful, I've just noticed there are host specific peripheral settings in gconf00:20
penguin42(although bizarely the only thing under periphers->keyboard->host-major is the default seetting of numlock)00:21
kklimondapenguin42: but they should still work after hostname is changed.00:29
penguin42kklimonda: I just wonder what other settings are actually keyed off hostname00:29
kklimondapenguin42: It's not really a good idea to do that.00:30
kklimondapenguin42: if any application uses host in its settings then bug report should be filled imo00:30
penguin42kklimonda: It is in an envrionment with a networked home directory; you want peripheral config to be local to where you are logged in00:30
kklimondapenguin42: then they should be stored somewhere local imo00:31
penguin42admittedly those environments are rarer these days00:31
kklimondapenguin42: and in those environments you don't use a shiny graphical installer anyway.00:32
penguin42probably true00:32
penguin42can someone with a vague knowledge of gnome eyeball some code in mango-lassi for me - it looks broken to me, I just can't understand why it only segs on one of two machines01:29
Kanohi cjwatson07:36
Kanoi would suggest executing dpkg-reconfigure -phigh console-setup in casper after setting the locale07:42
Kanoand when you use your installer then too07:43
Kanootherwise the console font is incorrect for the locale07:43
Kanothen you can not see umlauts for example when you boot with german settings live07:43
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mvodoko: do you mind if I upload a python-central crash fix? or do you want to review first (is there a vcs to use?)09:55
dokomvo: no, please go ahead09:56
mvothanks doko09:59
cjwatsonkenvandine: libdbusmenu_0.3.13-0ubuntu1.dsc extracts fine for me.  can you help me get a test case so that I can understand your problem?10:23
cjwatsonmneptok: btrfs /boot> no, held up on licensing10:23
cjwatsonkenvandine: hm, well, somebody seems to have solved the problem since there's a libdbusmenu_0.3.13-0ubuntu1.dsc in the archive now10:25
seb128cjwatson, I think he remade the tarball10:29
seb128the one on https://edge.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+download didn't work for him10:30
seb128cjwatson, do you know how the ddeb service works?11:09
seb128ie where the collector is running?11:09
cjwatsonnot really11:12
seb128I think I figured it out11:12
seb128the service seems stucked since yesterday, could be due to the launchpad downtime11:12
seb128I will just restart it and see11:12
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cjwatsonenrico: it looks like apt-xapian-index 0.39 was never released.  should I just append my change to the 0.39 changelog, and mark it UNRELEASED in git?11:16
mvocjwatson: I just commited the "apt-cdrom looks into .disk for calculating the ident string" change, do we need to worry about backward comatibility? I guess not as it was never really working with usb-sticks anyway?11:22
cjwatsonmvo: can you point me at the commit and I'll have a look?11:30
* Daviey screams.11:31
Daviey.. and sobs11:31
* hyperair gives Daviey a strange look11:36
* soren pats Daviey on the head11:37
* davmor2 passes Daviey a cookie and tells him to eat it, life will be better afterwards11:37
sorenThat's more like it.11:38
davmor2Daviey: now get back to work and fix that issue :P11:38
Davieyyes sir!11:39
cjwatsonenrico: (I'm ready to commit a fix for the xapian api change as well, once I know the answer to that question :-) )11:39
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tkamppetermdz, hi12:13
Kanocjwatson: did you get my notice about the wrong fonts in console12:14
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mdztkamppeter: hi12:28
mvocjwatson: here is the commit http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apt/ubuntu/revision/1796 (sorry for the delay, I was at lunch)12:31
cjwatsondamn you for EATING12:31
cjwatsonhm, is access() a reliable test for that then?12:31
tkamppetermdz, it is about bug 633987.12:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633987 in foomatic-db (Ubuntu) "foomatic-db-compressed-ppds holds back ubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63398712:33
mdztkamppeter: yes, I answered your question in the bug. did you and mvo talk further about it yesterday?12:33
mvocjwatson: I'm not 100% sure, but in my tests it seems to be ok12:33
mdztkamppeter: there were a few other people on IRC yesterday who confirmed the bug12:33
mvomdz: no, sorry. but s-c/aptdaemon are uploaded now, so I have breathing space again for this12:33
cjwatsonaccess("/mnt", W_OK)                    = -1 EROFS (Read-only file system)12:34
cjwatsonapparently so.  neat12:34
tkamppetermdz, I do not really understand why the update is not working for you. It probably works for many users as I did not get any duplicate.12:34
cjwatsonmvo: you might want to e-mail the debian-live folks and ask, but given that it basically always breaks at the moment I think it should be OK12:34
mvocjwatson: I tried with usb-stick (both rw,ro) and cdrom and got the answers I was expecting12:34
mvocjwatson: good idea, I will do that12:34
mdztkamppeter: mvo is our resident expert on this type of issue12:34
tkamppetermdz, I can try to replace the Conflicts: by Breaks:, but this is simply a guess.12:35
mvotkamppeter: give me some minutes, I will try to reproduce the setup that mdz has12:35
tkamppetermvo, what exactly is the difference between Conflicts: and Breaks:?12:35
cjwatsonenrico: looking at the history, I guess you don't normally use UNRELEASED, so I'll go ahead and put these changes in 0.3912:36
mvotkamppeter: internally they are handled similar, but for breaks apt will try a little bit harder to upgrade the package before it gets moved to the remove-list12:36
cjwatsontkamppeter: the policy manual documents this clearly12:36
cjwatsonthe latter has specific instructions for when each field should be used12:37
Kanocjwatson: did you fix the iso build tool to get hybrid iso images12:38
tkamppetercjwatson, thanks.12:43
penguin42is launchpad broke at the moment? #launchpad seems pretty dead and I'm having problems reporting an oops with a 'sorry, there was a problem connecting to the launchpad server.' and a guy I was helping last night had the same problems12:56
mvocjwatson: I updated the diff yet again (noticed another bit that needed fixing) and mailed debian-live. I guess its best to wait for feedback from debian-live before uploading so that the ident id does not change/become incompatible if we decide to change the code again. what do you think?12:59
mvomdz: could you mail me a tarfile with /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/apt/lists please ?  I will dig into it then13:00
cjwatsonmvo: seems reasonabe13:05
mvocool, thanks13:05
mvomdz: nevermind, I can reproduce it here now13:11
cjwatsonenrico: I've uploaded 0.39, and will sync that into Ubuntu13:14
mvotkamppeter, cjwatson: the eaisest fix for the foomatic-db problem is to make foomatic-db a lower priority then foomatic-db-compressed. so swtichting foomatic-db to "Priority: extra" should do it. I belive this needs to be done by a archive-admin13:15
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enricocjwatson: excellent, thanks! (just came online, I was at a customer)13:18
apparle_Suggest a cross platform IDE,..... I know about eclipse and netbeans... tell me which is good or other if you know any other13:21
cjwatsonmvo,tkamppeter: I've set the priority of foomatic-db to extra, as well as foomatic-db-engine13:21
mvothanks cjwatson13:22
* mvo updates the bug13:22
mvocjwatson:  and thanks for the xapian fix for software-center :)13:27
tkamppetermvo, thanks. So you have uploaded foomatic-db_20100906-0ubuntu2 now?13:29
tkamppeters/mvo/cjwatson/ ^^^13:30
mdztkamppeter: I think cjwatson meant that he changed the priority of -0ubuntu113:31
tkamppetermdz, where are these priorities set? How can I set them if I encounter a similar problem in the future?13:32
mdztkamppeter: they are set centrally by archive administrators; it requires special privileges13:33
tkamppetermdz, mvo, cjwatson, looks a little like a workaround for a shortcoming (bug?) in apt for me. In this case foomatic-db-compressed-ppds should get priority against foomatic-db as it solves the dependencies of the new ubuntu-desktop and so no artificial prioritizing is needed.13:35
cjwatsonmaybe so, but in this matter I bow to mvo's expertise :)13:38
cjwatsonand yes, mdz is correct13:38
mdztkamppeter: yes, I'm inclined to agree that it's a workaround, but we're not likely to try to fix this in apt for 10.10 ;-)13:38
tkamppetermvo, mdz, cjwatson, are these package priorities somewhere visible in Launchpad?13:40
mvo_tkamppeter: it is, the resolver is not always the most smartest in the world. fortunately its very predictable. I look into a solution in code next, but for mav we can not really change the resolver anymore13:41
mvo_(too risky)13:41
mdztkamppeter: yes13:41
mdztkamppeter: though the easiest way to see them is to use apt-cache13:42
mdzmizar:[~] apt-cache show foomatic-db | grep Priority13:43
mdzPriority: optional13:43
cjwatsonthe top three priorities (required, important, standard) matter to varying degrees and are managed semi-automatically, but mostly we don't bother much with the distinction between optional and extra in Ubuntu13:43
cjwatsonit's just useful to resolve occasional bugs like this one13:43
tkamppetermdz, I have done13:44
tkamppetersudo apt-get update13:45
* cjwatson wonders how sudo got to be Priority: optional, and fixes it back to important13:45
cjwatsontkamppeter: it's not instant, you need to wait until the next publisher run.  give it an hour13:45
tkamppeternow and checked the priorities, both foomatic-db-compressed-ppds and foomatic-db have "optional".13:45
tkamppetercjwatson, OK.13:46
cjwatsonan hour> assuming you're using a mirror that's pushed fairly quickly that is13:46
tkamppetercjwatson, mvo, mdz, thank you very much for the help on this.13:46
tkamppetercjwatson, I am using the German mirror.13:47
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tjaaltontkamppeter: hi, me again. trying to work around bug 612578 I tried to forward-port cups from jaunty, but the build fails http://pastebin.com/aMeWijTY13:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 612578 in cups (Ubuntu) "Printing fails unless the IPP's are purged, but fails again after "some time"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61257813:58
tjaaltontkamppeter: ideas what makes it fail?13:58
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Laneyplease can someone look at sponsoring the tar sru in bug 53981414:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 539814 in tar (Ubuntu Lucid) "tar: futimens() with a bad file descriptor (AT_FDCWD) causes bootstrapping failure with kernels < 2.6.22" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53981414:29
rhleehi guys is this the right channel for packaging help?14:42
penguin42rhlee: There is a #ubuntu-packaging14:45
rhleepenguin42: cheers mate14:46
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bilalakhtartedg: hey! So is there any other problem with my merge(s) ?15:03
bilalakhtartedg: Thanks for the comment on the bug, I'll be off now15:05
tedgbilalakhtar, No problems other than we need to figure out the symbolic/color part15:05
tedgUhg, the IRC equivalent of starting a conversation as you're jumping out of the plane.15:06
smosercjwatson, around and have some time to talk about grub and that annoying ec2 ?15:11
penguin42anyone finding alt-sysrq-b is being ignored? s and u are both working but B is doing nothing15:12
tkamppetermvo_, cjwatson, mdz, on my mirror priorities have changed to extra for foomatic-db and optional for foomatic-db-compressed-ppds. Is this OK? Can you try?15:16
cjwatsontkamppeter: please remove me from the list of people you're asking; all I did was the archive-side change15:17
cjwatsonsmoser: let me read through it all again; I'm having real trouble cramming all this into my head15:17
smosercjwatson, ok. i've got a bout 45 minutes, then i need to be afk for 30.15:18
smoserso whichever hunk works better for you.15:18
cjwatsonsmoser: is there some way that I can try this out personally?  I'm never going to really understand it otherwise15:20
cjwatsonboth on EC2 and UEC15:20
cjwatsonnb: must not involve having to set up a cloud in my house :)15:20
smosercjwatson, i can get you an instance on ec2 easy.15:20
smosereuca is more difficult, but in general, euca almost "just works"15:21
smoserthe only issue with it is that i'd like to be able to tell grub "don't worry about installing the bootloader anywhere"15:21
cjwatsoncan I please not have pre-specified solutions15:21
cjwatsonI want to inspect the problem :)15:21
smoserok. i'll get you an ec2 instance, and will work on getting you access to a uec also.15:22
cjwatsonI mean, you *can* tell grub-pc.postinst not to install the bootloader anywhere, and I know this because d-i does it15:23
cjwatsonbut I'm not clear yet whether this is quite the right thing15:23
cjwatsonin particular creating core.img is considered part of installing the bootloader15:23
cjwatsonfrom grub-pc.postinst's point of view15:23
cjwatson(yes, within grub-install they're two separate steps)15:23
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* penguin42 is just testing afix for the lshw hang - I can see why it oops's, I just can't see why lshw manages to trigger it15:25
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smosercjwatson, ok, you can ssh to ec2-75-101-239-180.compute-1.amazonaws.com15:26
smoserand that system is "all yours" until you tell me to kill it. if you shut it down (/sbin/halt, it will go away).15:27
smoseryour ssh keys from launchpad are installed on that host15:27
cjwatsonsmoser: so, if /dev/sda1 is really a disk image, then I wonder if it really makes sense for GRUB to regard it as a partition15:39
cjwatson(aside from whatever Xen is doing)15:39
cjwatsonmaybe we should go "huh, weird Xen thing, treat it as a disk"15:39
smosergrub should not regard it as a partition.15:39
smoserit is a disk for all purposes , just with a funny name.15:40
cjwatsonright, good.  it's not as if there's any particular relationship between /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 here15:40
smosernote, also, that this disk is funny in that it has no partition table.15:40
cjwatsonGRUB will be OK withthat15:40
EdwinGrubbskees: ping15:40
mdztkamppeter: confirmed, it works now15:40
smoseri poked trhough some of grub source, and hacked at trying to convince it that was a full disk.  my hack was to check if this 'name' existed in /sys/block, then it was a disk, not a partition.15:42
looldoko: Is i686 without cmov supposed to be supported in maverick or not?15:47
loolLP #63223215:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 632232 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "lucid pbuilder-dist unable to build for maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63223215:48
tkamppetermdz, OK. Thanks. I will close the bug then.15:51
cjwatsonsmoser: I'm thinking of instead simply observing that if the partition device exists but the disk device does not, then we might as well treat it as a disk since what else can we do?15:52
barryjames_w: ping15:52
james_whi barry15:52
barryjames_w: hi.  have a few minutes to talk about a udd issue?15:53
smoseryeah. i can't imagine other scenarios where that would fail.15:53
james_wbarry: of course15:53
barryjames_w: cool.  so i'm working on an update to the gtimelog package.  it's been basically abandoned and i have upstream commit privs now.  marius released 0.4.0 and i'm redoing the packaging to more modern standards...15:54
barryjames_w: upstream trunk is in bzr on lp.  so i 'bzr branch trunk packaging' and create a loom, add a thread for the debianization work...15:55
barryjames_w: convert the patches i need (and the still relevant ones from the old packaging) to quilt, commit all that and 'bzr bd -S'15:55
barryjames_w: but i get a lintian warning: patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff15:55
evmight I ask that anyone with a free moment run `sudo dmidecode` on their machine and pastebin me the output?  Thanks!15:56
james_wbarry: what's an lsdiff -z of the .diff.gz say?15:56
barryjames_w: now, the reason for that is that the trunk has moved a little bit from the released tgz.  it's got a bit of extra NEWS.txt and a version bump in the __init__.py15:56
barryjames_w: i can certainly ignore that, but i guess i'm looking for recommendations on how to handle this scenario in general15:56
barry(ignore the lintian warning)15:57
james_wthen base your packaging on the revision corresponding to the tarball if available15:57
barryjames_w: right, that's the direction i was thinking about, but my question is: what happens when a new version is released from trunk?  what will be the best way to take my existing packaging loom and update it?  just pull from trunk with a revision# or tag to the bottom thread?15:58
james_wbarry: yeah15:58
james_wbarry: it would be great if we could get the pristine-tar data in there too15:58
barryjames_w: hmm, how could that be done?15:59
james_wif you can use bzr import-upstream/merge-upstream at some point15:59
barryjames_w: yeah.  i think the scenario where the upstream is in bzr on lp is a weird corner case that actually makes things a little more difficult in several ways.  e.g. lp:ubuntu/gtimelog has no relationship to lp:gtimelog16:01
james_wbarry: yeah, but e.g. the dx team have that, and we linked the branches16:01
barryjames_w: ah, didn't know that could be done.  is that a manual request?16:02
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james_wbarry: it's something you can do yourself16:02
barryjames_w: i'm probably just being dense.  it's obvious?16:03
james_wbarry: you pass an upstream branch and revision to merge-upstream16:04
barryjames_w: gotcha16:04
barryjames_w: cool, thanks.  as always very helpful.  i'll work this out and see if i can write something up on the wiki16:05
james_wgreat, thanks16:05
james_wlet me know if you have any trouble16:05
barryjames_w: will do, thanks again16:07
dokolool: no16:11
looldoko: thanks16:23
dokothere should be an email16:23
RandallHey guys16:27
Randallrmemeber me?16:27
brewmsterRandall: no.16:27
RandallGenesis 216:28
Randall1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.16:28
Randall 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.16:28
jYi do.. you're the asshole16:28
Randall3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.16:28
Randall4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,16:28
Randall5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.16:28
Randall 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.16:28
Randall7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.16:29
Randall8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.16:29
Randall 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.16:29
Randall10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.16:29
Randall11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;16:29
Randall 12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.16:29
Randall13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.16:29
Randall 14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.16:29
Randall15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.16:29
jYwhat a troll16:30
* penguin42 can't imagine he would be good with daemons16:30
brewmsterwas i the only one reading that?16:30
penguin42brewmster: Yes16:30
brewmsteri think he might be a slow adult16:31
cjwatsonthere is no need to cause further noise by discussing it further.,16:32
cjwatsonparticularly since I can see for myself that the two people who responded to Randall most quickly joined the channel immediately before him and haven't been here before ...16:32
brewmstercjwatson: there is no need to cause further noise by discussing it further.,16:33
* jdong takes a pass through the SRU queue16:34
jdongIs LP behaving funky? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= has two identical looking php5 packages16:41
cjwatsonjdong: that's permitted in queues16:42
cjwatsononly one of them gets to be accepted, of course16:42
jdongcjwatson: oh, interesting; didn't know that16:42
cjwatsoncheck that they have the same content?16:42
keesEdwinGrubbs: hola!16:43
jdongyep, the diffs look the same16:44
EdwinGrubbskees: hi, Launchpad is discussing whether to switch to the apport (problem_report) format for its oops tool, which puts the python traceback, cgi variables, sql query times, etc. for a single failed request in one file.16:46
EdwinGrubbskees: there are certain limitations to the apport format, and I wonder whether we would be better served by wrapping problem_report, pushing changes upstream, or just using another format.16:47
EdwinGrubbskees: I haven't seen pitti in IRC. Who all would be good to CC our oops tool discussion?16:48
EdwinGrubbsone issue I see with problem_report is that it only really supports parsing a single level of field names and values, so parsing a complex value is nonstandard.  The other is that it doesn't seem to let you set the content-type for a file attachment.16:51
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keesEdwinGrubbs: I think extending apport would be great.16:55
keesEdwinGrubbs: pitti is very responsive to patches. you could email ubuntu-devel and CC him, maybe16:55
EdwinGrubbskees: ok, thanks, I'll do that.16:56
keesEdwinGrubbs: okay, cool.16:57
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achiangEdwinGrubbs: pitti is on holiday currently17:12
EdwinGrubbsachiang: thanks for the info17:15
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keeshm, is umask anywhere in /proc for a process? doesn't seem to be.18:03
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superm1cjwatson, this might be in the realm of 32-bit is undefined, but from my experiments of throwing the 64 bit grub efi on a 32 bit CD and making it multi-catalog, it looks like the 32-bit kernel doesn't load with efi, missing /sys/firmware/efi and all the accompanied dmesg listings about memory mapping with EFI18:38
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Chipacalooks like I need python-gconf-dbg and it isn't built. Is that a bug, or am I missing something?18:47
cjwatsonsuperm1: I looked into the kernel a bit.  It refuses to load EFI unless the boot loader signature passed to it says EL32 (for a 32-bit kernel) or EL64 (for a 64-bit kernel); grub's x86_64-efi build passes EL6418:48
cjwatsonsuperm1: but that is not the worst problem18:48
cjwatsonsuperm1: the EFI runtime services calls are just function pointers.  If you have a 64-bit EFI implementation, those functions are very likely to contain 64-bit code.  You can't call them from a 32-bit kernel18:49
superm1cjwatson, oh yikes- yeah that could be quite troublesome then18:49
cjwatsonI don't see any way we can cope with this18:49
cjwatsonif you have 64-bit EFI and want to boot a kernel in EFI mode, as far as I can see it has to be a 64-bit kernel and that's really all there is to it18:50
cjwatsonso we'll need to be addressing whatever problems you have that make that difficult18:51
cjwatsonindeed I just checked the UEFI spec and it requires this18:53
cjwatson"For an operating system to use any UEFI runtime services, it must:18:53
cjwatson[be] In long mode, in 64-bit mode18:54
cjwatsonthat's in the "x64 Platforms" section, 2.3.418:54
superm1OK, i'll take that back to my team and see what we can come up with.18:54
mneptokcjwatson: thanks for the reply. i answered my own question with a VM yesterday.19:02
mneptokcjwatson: your late reply meant i could not be lazy, which creates a very interesting Slacker Feedback Loop. ;)19:04
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nemoDoes ubuntu have any way to extract an update priority in a similar fashion to Mint's update manager w/ its colour and number coding?  Even a commandline thing would be fine19:45
nemoI'd just like to know if that is a capability it has19:46
sladennemo: I think it's on the list.  Eg. IIRC the colour was from some fairly simple heuristics (eg. is a core library)19:59
nemosladen: oh...20:01
nemosladen: I thought they were doing it based on "is this an exploit fix"20:01
nemoversus "is this a stability only issue" or "is an enhancement"20:01
nemosladen: 'cause really, that's what our admins want to know - is this something crucial that has to be applied to the server right away20:02
nemo(and w/o reading each description to find them)20:02
sladennemo: if it's post-release, it's a security fix.  If it's pre-release it's a bug-fix enhancement20:02
sladenbug-fix or enhancement20:03
Chipzznemo: if your admins are blindly applyin security updates, I would have my concerns about their skills...20:03
nemoChipzz: well, these are windows admins, so I don't know their minds20:05
nemobut my instinct is their thought process is "we should update as little as possible on running servers, unless there is a security issue"20:05
nemobut, sounds like what sladen is saying is all post-release updates should be considered security issues and thus must be applied.20:05
nemoodd, I'd swear I've seen post-release updates that wouldn't really fit that20:06
Chipzzsladen: you're ignoring SRU's20:06
sladennemo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates20:06
nemosladen: heh. "Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages (like X.org or the kernel). "20:07
nemosladen: but anyway, sounds like you're saying the only method to differentiate right now is read the description and linked LP and use your judgement20:08
sladennemo: or get them to sign up to  http://www.ubuntu.com/usn20:09
cjwatsonnemo: all security updates will come from RELEASE-security rather than RELEASE-updates20:10
cjwatsonvisible in apt-cache policy output, among others20:10
nemocjwatson: thanks20:10
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