[04:11] <AnAnt> Hello, is stable@kernel.org a mailing list ? if yes, where are the archives ?
[06:58] <AnAnt> ogasawara: thanks
[08:19] <amitk> apw, several new drivers coming your way :) (Re: broadcom open sources several drivers)
[08:21]  * abogani waves all!
[08:32] <ikepanhc> I remember leann had a presentation that we can change the linux-image deb and rebuild the ISO image, anyone knows where we can find how to do it?
[08:48] <apw> amitk, yeah thats very good news
[08:48] <apw> ikepanhc, wasn't that about testing?  maybe a wiki page about it
[08:51] <ikepanhc> apw: its about bug 634702
[08:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634702 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 2.6.3519 fails to boot Lenovo S10-3 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634702
[08:52] <ikepanhc> apw: looks like a regression, I think I can test for old kernels to make sure how it happen, or any idea?
[08:55] <apw> ikepanhc, if you made a USB stick with a large persistance filesystem you can install and update kernels on  it right?
[08:55] <apw> if you have any system which can boot it
[08:57] <apw> ikepanhc, did you test -19 or -20 ?
[08:57] <ikepanhc> apw: lastest daily-livecd
[08:57] <ikepanhc> apw: checking for its ABI now
[08:57] <apw> so thats proabally -20
[08:59] <ikepanhc> apw: another question: kernel freeze in 4 days, how will we deal with this kind of bugs.. in my viewpoint this shall be a critical bug
[09:00] <apw> ikepanhc, kernel freeze means no mo features, we can in an emergency add patches.  we start apply SRU policy to changes proposed for maverick at that point
[09:00] <ikepanhc> apw: got it
[09:01] <ikepanhc> apw: yes, its -20 kernel
[09:02] <apw> so you could diw
[09:02] <apw> downgrade the kernel using anoth
[09:02] <apw> another machine booted on it
[09:03] <ikepanhc> but how can we update the initrd?
[09:04]  * apw actually is now unsure, perhaps there is a reason you can;t damn i forget
[09:06] <ikepanhc> I find the alpha-3 iso. I will test it first
[09:07] <apw> yeah good plan, i can't find the page, but i am sure there is a wiki page from leann as you suggest
[09:07] <ikepanhc> I will ask leann...
[09:23] <RAOF> Where is the drm-intel-next mainline build being pulled from now?  Has it been updated to the new Chris Wilson-maintained branch?
[09:36] <apw> RAOF, nope, it was removed cause i was told it was dead
[09:36] <apw> RAOF, is there now a new one?
[09:37] <RAOF> apw: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ickle/drm-intel.git;a=summary
[09:37] <apw> RAOF, so drm-intel-next from there ?
[09:37] <RAOF> Yup.
[09:38] <RAOF> Although the commit that I actually _want_ is in drm-intel-staging (for bug #629711)
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 629711 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[Maverick] Removing external display on Vostro 3500 corrupts the screen (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629711
[09:48] <apw> RAOF, ok i've reinstated the drm-intel-next builds from the new place, first one should be triggered on the hour
[09:49] <RAOF> apw: Neato!
[09:49] <apw> RAOF, have we bottomed out on i8xx support yet?  there was a bunch of options and i am not sure as to the outcome, did you an Sarvatt come to an agreement on strategy?
[09:50] <RAOF> Sarvatt's leaning towards unblacklisting KMS and using fbdev on them.
[09:50] <RAOF> Well, not so much “leaning towards” as “advocating”.
[09:50] <apw> yep, and what about you?
[09:51] <apw> i see we have them blacklisted at of now, and we'd need to reverse that before next thursday if we're going to
[09:51] <RAOF> I think we should probably go with KMS + fbdev.
[09:52] <RAOF> A number of people on the bug have found that vesa just doesn't work for them at all.
[09:53] <apw> RAOF, ok so will you start the discussion somewhere that X and kernel can see it ...
[09:53] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:53] <RAOF> I'll continue the thread on ubuntu-x@
[09:53] <apw> or Sarvatt if that is more appropriate
[09:53] <RAOF> And CC kernel-team.
[09:53] <apw> sounds perfect
[14:41] <pgraner> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=104%E5%8F%B0%E7%81%A3%E5%8F%B0%E5%8C%97%E5%B8%82%E4%B8%AD%E5%B1%B1%E5%8D%80%E6%95%AC%E6%A5%AD%E5%9B%9B%E8%B7%AF168%E8%99%9F+(Grand+Victoria+Hotel+%E7%B6%AD%E5%A4%9A%E9%BA%97%E4%BA%9E%E9%85%92%E5%BA%97)&daddr=25.033611,121.565&hl=en&geocode=FaXBfgEdudY-ByFgxSGkANcPqCk_txE8E6xCNDHNTYkrtFFjLQ%3BFYv7fQEdSO8-Bw&mra=pd&mrcr=0&dirflg=w&sll=25.058968,121.561856&sspn=0.080706,0.154324&ie=UTF8&ll=25.059011
[14:41] <pgraner> ,121.570759&spn=0.080706,0.154324&z=13
[14:41] <pgraner> apw, ^^^^
[15:02] <manjo> is tangerine down for maintanence ? or dead ? 
[15:13] <ogasawara> ikepanhc: bjf probably has the most up to date scripts for generating a custom iso.
[15:13] <ogasawara> ikepanhc: but the general documentation I used is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[15:14] <ikepanhc> ogasawara: thank you, and good morning :)
[15:14] <mpoirier> tgardner: did you do anything with the gumstix you got in Prague ?
[15:14] <ikepanhc> ogasawara: that's what I need
[15:14] <tgardner> mpoirier, not yet. its still on my desk at home.
[15:15] <tgardner> manjo, tangerine was up last I checked earlier this AM
[15:15] <mpoirier> tgarnder: if you'd send it to me I could fix the display for maverick and send it back to me when I'm done.
[15:15] <tgardner> mpoirier, can do. email your shipping instructions and I'll get it sent on Monday
[15:16] <ogasawara> apw: you get my notes for the release meeting?
[15:16] <mpoirier> tgardner: ok.  It should take long,  I suspect it is the same problem we had with beagle.
[15:16] <mpoirier> *shouldn't*
[15:18] <apw> ogasawara, yeah got them thanks
[15:21] <apw> anyone got a 32 bit install but installed on a 64bit capable processor ?
[15:21] <apw> (and who is prepared to test a kernel for me)
[15:21] <apw> akgraner, how did that last kernel go for you?
[15:25] <bjf> ikepanhc: any way I can help you?
[15:25] <jjohansen> apw: I have 32 bit OS install in a vm on a 64bit capable proc
[15:25] <apw> that might do it
[15:25] <apw> bjf, did you find the lucid lbm update ?
[15:25] <apw> jjohansen, i'll let you know when its built
[15:25] <bjf> apw, yes, where did you find it?
[15:26] <manjo> tgardner, its up now 
[15:26] <apw> (this is a 64 bit kernel packaged for 32 bit install)
[15:26] <bjf> apw: we looked around a bit for it
[15:26] <ikepanhc> bjf: its bug 634702
[15:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634702 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 2.6.35-19 fails to boot Lenovo S10-3 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634702
[15:26] <apw> bjf, i bumped into smb in a social context and mentioned it to him and he happened to be at home so he pushed it
[15:26] <bjf> apw, heh
[15:27] <ikepanhc> bjf: I have confirmed that daily LiveCD halt just as the description, but maverick alpha 3 LiveCD booting successfully though the mouse can not move..
[15:28] <ikepanhc> bjf: I plan to use alpha 3 CD image as base, and replace the linux-image for testing booting LiveCD...
[15:29] <bjf> ikepanhc: ok, that should be doable
[15:29] <ikepanhc> bjf: try to find out if there is any commit related
[15:30] <bjf> ikepanhc: the scripts are in the kteam-tools git tree under "daily-test-isos"
[15:32] <ikepanhc> bjf: ack - cloning
[15:34] <JFo> manjo, feel up to talking about Firewire stack bug triage tomorrow?
[15:36]  * ogasawara bails for appt, back in a bit
[15:38] <manjo> JFo, tomorrow?
[15:42] <JFo> yep
[15:42] <JFo> I can't find my notes on who was going to do the talk 
[15:42] <JFo> on USB Firewire etc.
[15:42] <JFo> so I thought I would ask
[15:42] <JFo> just a brief talk on what is useful for triage of those types of bugs
[15:42] <penguin42> I've just put a patch for the lshw oops/hang on bug 614008
[15:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614008 in lshw (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "lshw causes laptop to freeze up (affects: 24) (dups: 9) (heat: 135)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614008
[15:44] <JFo> manjo, if you can't it isn't a big deal
[15:50] <manjo> JFo, let me see, its quiet late notice for me, I made some plans for the Sat
[15:56] <JFo> no problem
[15:57] <JFo> like I said, it isn't a big deal
[16:02] <apw> jfo do we have a cal entry for the summit tommorrow
[16:06]  * apw pokes JFo harder
[16:06] <JFo> not in the kernel team calendar
[16:06] <JFo> but it is on the Fridge calendar
[16:06] <apw> i recon copy it into the kernel team cal, then i can sub self and get reminders
[16:07] <apw> jfo are we having a chin wag today about whats happening
[16:08] <JFo> yeah, doing that now
[16:08] <JFo> apw, we can if you like
[16:08] <apw> feeling unprepared
[16:31]  * ikepanhc needs to go to bed...
[16:31] <ikepanhc> will keep trying maverick on s10-3 tomorrow..
[16:37] <apw> jjohansen, that kernel is: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/generic64-maverick/
[16:37] <apw> this is a 32bit packaged 64bit kernel
[16:38] <jjohansen> okay, I'll give it a sping
[16:38] <apw> so it should install and work on a 32bit userspace ... in theory
[16:38] <jjohansen> s/sping/spin
[16:38] <apw> of course its hard to tell if i've done it right, a dmesg from the boot would be useful
[16:45] <jjohansen> apw: booted, where would you like me to put the dmesg
[16:46] <apw> pastbin perhaps
[16:46] <apw> or chin or zinc
[16:48] <jjohansen> apw: pastebin.ubuntu.com/491650
[16:49] <jjohansen> apw: and its on real hardware
[16:50] <apw> jjohansen, oh and what does uname -a say
[16:50] <tgardner> bjf, can you remember the URL for customizing live CDs  on the Ubuntu wiki?
[16:51] <bjf> tgardner: just a sec...
[16:51] <tgardner> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[16:51] <tgardner> is that it?
[16:51] <bjf> tgardner: yes, that's it
[16:52] <apw> jjohansen, well its definatly a 64 bit kernel, so thats good
[16:52] <jjohansen> apw:  Linux jj-desktop 2.6.35-20-generic64 #29generic64v201009101521 SMP Fri Sep 10 14:23:16 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:52] <tgardner> bjf, thanks
[16:52] <apw> jjohansen, i am supprised to see x86_64 in there from a 32 bit userspace
[16:52] <jjohansen> hrmm, me too
[16:52] <apw> i thought it was supposed to round it down to i686 for 32 bit userspace
[16:53] <jjohansen> its a maverick-desktop i386 install
[16:56] <apw> well that seems good, other than the x86_64 appearing in uname
[16:57] <apw> perhaps it was another call that lies, i wish i could find the code
[17:00] <apw> jjohansen, i think its a bug, they changed the code which did that to do it in a common way
[17:00] <apw> and it looks like it is not working
[17:21]  * apw wonders if _b_j_f is feeling ok, he seems to be coming apart
[17:26] <apw> jjohansen, this i've foudn the bug, confirming now
[17:40] <apw> ogasawara, release meeting all quiet
[18:31] <bjf> pgraner, did jane get a new laptop?
[18:32] <cnd_> apw, ogasawara, have you seen suspend/resume issues on intel hardware lately?
[18:32] <cnd_> in maverick?
[18:33] <cnd_> my mini won't resume properly
[18:33] <apw> cnd_, nope
[18:35] <ogasawara> cnd: I haven't myself, which maverick kernel?
[18:35] <cnd_> -20
[18:36] <cnd_> let me see if I have some logs
[18:36] <apw> cnd_, do see if its new by backing up a kernel
[18:36] <cnd_> apw, I will if/when I get a chance
[18:36] <cnd_> I'm crazy busy right now :(
[18:37] <ogasawara> cnd: my mini is at home but I can test when I get back (although I swear I'd tested before I uploaded)
[18:38] <cnd_> it seems to suspend
[18:38] <cnd_> on resume I think the HD light blinks a bit
[18:38] <cnd_> but the screen doesn't come up and I can't seem to do anything
[18:38] <cnd_> unfortunately my mini is my only "work" computer (i.e. non-victim) and I'm at a conference
[18:40] <bjf> cnd_, but the "fast boot" is soo fast, why bother suspending?
[18:40] <cnd_> heh :)
[18:40] <apw> cnd_, try switching VT to 0 and back
[18:41] <apw> to save the pitiful battery no doubt
[18:41] <cnd_> apw, hmm, I can't even switch to a VT
[18:41] <cnd_> I'm in unity
[18:41] <apw> you lose :)
[18:41] <cnd_> I dunno if that makes a difference
[18:41] <cnd_> heh
[18:41] <cnd_> oh wait, I wasn't holding down Fn
[18:41] <cnd_> let me try that
[18:41] <cnd_> apw, ok VT switching worked
[18:42] <apw> cnd_, wibble, well you have a work around at least
[18:42] <cnd_> yeah
[18:45] <apw> cnd, let us know if its reproducible
[18:48] <cnd_> yep
[18:48] <cnd_> well, it is reproducible
[18:48] <apw> yep it is, or you will?
[18:48] <cnd_> every time I suspend
[18:49] <apw> so yeah when you can try the prev kernel
[18:49] <apw> it may be userspace yet
[19:01] <vanhoof> apw: trying it out on a x201
[19:02] <vanhoof> -19 works, upgrading to -20
[19:06] <vanhoof> apw: all is well on -20 on this x201 (arrandale based)
[19:41] <apw> vanhoof, with suspend ?
[19:41] <apw> and if so, did you only update the kernel, are there any userspace updated pending>
[19:44] <vanhoof> apw: yeah just kernel
[19:44] <vanhoof> i'll update everything
[19:53] <apw> vanhoof, you are a solider indeed
[19:54] <vanhoof> apw: sick of working on spreadsheets today :)
[19:58] <apw> vanhoof, that i can imaging
[19:58]  * vanhoof wonders if his laptop will explode
[20:13] <vanhoof> apw: full updated, all is well
[20:14] <vanhoof> apw: suspend/resume 5 times no probs
[20:25]  * jjohansen heading in to portland knitting circle
[20:31] <cnd_> apw, ogasawara: do you know what the maverick backport kernel for lucid is called?
[20:34] <apw> cnd_, lts-backports-maverick in the kernel-ppa ppa i think
[20:34] <cnd_> apw, I thought the backport would be available in ubuntu proper?
[20:35] <apw> cnd_, it _will_ be once we have an official kernel to release
[20:35] <cnd_> ahh
[20:35] <cnd_> ok
[21:01] <IceCook> hi, I want to know some stuff aboute the net device in the linux kernel, first. are there existing any device files for the physic interface? and where can i found device files for the tun/tap or bridge interface?
[21:15] <IceCook> someone here?