[16:27] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul.
[16:27] <mukul> manusheel sir: hi
[16:29] <manusheel> mukul: So, the metacity fix is a temporary fix according to Silbe, Bernie and the GNOME lead.
[16:29] <manusheel> ?*
[16:29] <dfarning> mukul, but the upstream metacity is interested in it:)
[16:29] <mukul> manusheel sir: As far as I remember ,Yes. I am searching for link.
[16:30] <manusheel> mukul: Sure, definitely.
[16:35] <manusheel> mukul: What is the bug number of this issue at the gnome bug tracker?
[16:36] <mukul> manusheel sir: 629210
[16:36] <manusheel> mukul: Can you send me the link?
[16:38] <mukul> manusheel sir: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629210
[16:38] <ubot2> Gnome bug 629210 in general "Enable Alt+Tab keybindings in metacity" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[16:39] <mukul> manusheel, dfarning : http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-September/026560.html
[16:41] <manusheel> mukul: Thanks Mukul
[16:42] <mukul> manusheel sir: In the bugs posted by me at gnome.bugzilla as well as LP, I wrote 'sugar distro' and not sugar emulator. Does that create a confusion?
[16:42] <manusheel> mukul: You can edit it and say Sugar emulator.
[16:42] <manusheel> mukul: Distros are Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu...
[16:43] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[16:44] <manusheel> kandarpk: Finally, the net connection issue got solved :-) Great.
[16:44] <kandarpk> manusheel sir, :)
[16:45] <mukul> manusheel sir: Since it is a temporary fix, we will have to let the maintainer know about it.
[16:46] <manusheel> mukul: Yes, surely.
[16:46] <manusheel> mukul: Let us reply to Tomeu and link this thread with it.
[16:46] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I added the following two lines
[16:46] <kandarpk>     from sugar.graphics.style import ZOOM_FACTOR
[16:46] <kandarpk>             self.scale = 1.0 * ZOOM_FACTOR
[16:48] <manusheel> kandarpk: There is also one more statement, where we have a value of 0.67
[16:48] <manusheel> kandarpk: I think it is on the top of it.
[16:48] <quidam> hi, I'm trying to make a sugar loaded Trisquel 4 (lucid based) demo image
[16:49] <quidam> but I'm having some problems
[16:49] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes, do we need to make only these changes ?
[16:49] <alsroot> dfarning: ^^, what the current status of sugar package in lucid?
[16:49] <manusheel> kandarpk: There are 4 changes in all as I see.
[16:51] <dfarning> quidam, I suggest that you skip lucid and jump straight to maverick.  You and you users will be disapointed in the experince on lucid based distros.
[16:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: two related to self.scale
[16:52] <quidam> dfarning: well, we can't do that, it is an LTS
[16:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: self.scale = 1.0 * ZOOM_FACTOR
[16:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: self.scale = 0.67 * ZOOM_FACTOR
[16:53] <manusheel> kandarpk: Two related to block_scale and self.bloc_scale
[16:53] <manusheel> block*
[16:53] <dfarning> quidam, then your best bet is to backport the maverick packages to lucid.  I wish I had a better answer.
[16:53] <quidam> dfarning: also, we've been getting very good impressions from users so far, we do not try to replicate ubuntu's defaults
[16:54] <alsroot> quidam, dfarning: I'm hope to setup bazaar.sl.o this week and will start sucrose packaging on it, will start w/ lucid
[16:54] <dfarning> alsroot, nice.
[16:55] <quidam> dfarning: well, for now it would be enough for me to be able to include the basic stuff, like the browser
[16:55] <quidam> I used ubuntu packages and the sugar-remix ppa, no luck
[16:55] <dfarning> quidam, browse is a blocker.
[16:56] <quidam> oh, ok
[16:56] <quidam> do you think karmic packages could work?
[16:56] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: TA uses
[16:56] <kandarpk> self.block_scale = BLOCK_SCALE
[16:57] <dfarning> quidam, the necessary support for xulrunner is not available in lucid.  we are acctually going to ship firefox as the default browser for sugar on maverick:(
[16:57] <manusheel> right
[16:57] <manusheel> kandarpk: It should become self.block_scale = BLOCK_SCALE*ZOOM_FACTOR
[16:57] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: OK
[16:58] <dfarning> quidam, browse was oneof the causualities of a shift in focus at ubuntu from xulrunner to webkit.
[17:00] <quidam> dfarning: and what about moving the browser activity to webkit as well?
[17:01] <dfarning> quidam, that is well underway.   a gsoc student named Lucian did 90% of the work.  but the python bindings to webkit are not stable enough for production.
[17:02] <dfarning> quidam, the webkit based borwser is called surf.
[17:02] <quidam> :/
[17:03] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: making the changes is only reducing the font size
[17:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Where all are we making the changes?
[17:04] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: in tawindow.py
[17:04] <kandarpk> inside TA
[17:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right. I have that file opened in front of me.
[17:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: In that file, at what all places?
[17:06] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: pasting the modified file
[17:06] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491658/
[17:06] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, can you paste the modified functions/
[17:06] <manusheel> ?
[17:06] <manusheel> kandarpk: The file is very large.
[17:06] <kandarpk> line 37, 132, 138, 141
[17:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: Also, do a change in 2009 line
[17:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: OK
[17:11] <manusheel> kandarpk: Were you able to find the change?
[17:12] <kandarpk> I'll need to reboot
[17:12] <manusheel> kandarpk: What happened?
[17:12] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir, I was able to see where I'll need to make the change
[17:12] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: The system is showing I/O error
[17:13] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[17:13] <kandarpk> after certain period of time almost every time now
[17:18] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did the issue get solved?
[17:19] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: that will reoccur after sometime
[17:19] <kandarpk> can work till then
[17:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us build the patch then.
[17:19] <manusheel> kandarpk: We'll write a query at sugar-devel on the behavior experienced, and ask for pointers on it.
[17:20] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: are these changes sufficient ?
[17:20] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let me quickly check once. In the meantime, insert a doc string.
[17:21] <quidam> dfarning: I'm doing some tests
[17:21] <manusheel> kandarpk: Also, let us have comments in the changed file.
[17:21] <quidam> dfarning: lucid comes with xulrunner 1.9.2
[17:21] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: where do I need to insert the docstring ?
[17:21] <quidam> dfarning: but you can install 1.9.1 as well
[17:23] <dfarning> quidam, yes, we have not really done much work on lucid.... we set maverick as our initial release target.
[17:23] <quidam> dfarning: what you dislike of lucid so much?
[17:24] <quidam> being an LTS it sounds weird to skip it
[17:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: That is in the patch.
[17:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: Not required as of now.
[17:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: We can skip that.
[17:25] <dfarning> quidam, there is no dislike.... We just start work on support ubuntu a couple of months ago. After lucid was release and before maverick went into feature freeze.
[17:29] <manusheel> kandarpk: We can make the patch using this information.
[17:29] <quidam> dfarning: I see
[17:29] <quidam> dfarning: you should work with us, we are much more flexible ;)
[17:31] <dfarning> quidam, we do 90% of our work in debian so that the results are available to the entire .deb ecosystem....  you, puppy, ubuntu:)
[17:32]  * alsroot hopes that bazaar.sl.o will be a top of flexibility :)
[17:32] <alsroot> s/top/peak/
[17:40] <quidam> hey! my hack almost worked!
[17:40] <quidam> alsroot: I've got your karmic packages working on lucid
[17:41] <quidam> sort of
[17:41] <alsroot> quidam: I guess except Browse ;)
[17:41] <quidam> yes
[17:41] <quidam> but I've got both 1.9.1 and 1.9.2 xuls
[17:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: mailing you the patch file
[17:42] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[17:42] <alsroot> quidam: are you in a hurry, how many time you have for T4?
[17:43] <quidam> alsroot: this is just a demo for a school
[17:43] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sent at @laptop id
[17:43] <quidam> alsroot: but it might be simple, it fails to find libxul
[17:43] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great, kandarp.
[17:44] <alsroot> quidam: try ln xul dir to..
[17:44] <manusheel> kandarpk: This patch scales the font in TA by using ZOOM_FACTOR set in sugar.graphics.style (SL#1858)
[17:44] <manusheel> kandarpk: One change.
[17:44] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: OK
[17:45] <manusheel> kandarpk: You can send the patch for review at sugar-devel now.
[17:45] <alsroot> quidam: what xul version do you have?
[17:45] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I mentioned the bug number in subject line, by the way
[17:45] <quidam> alsroot: 1.9.2 and 1.9.1
[17:45] <quidam> oh, nice
[17:45] <manusheel> kandarpk: We need this in the one-line summary too.
[17:46] <quidam> it seems like the ln worked
[17:46] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: OK
[17:46] <quidam> now it fails with libxpcom
[17:46] <alsroot> quidam: can't find .so or coredump?
[17:46] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I've specified it as bug#1858 in the one line summary
[17:46] <kandarpk> changing it to SL#1858
[17:47] <manusheel> anurag: Sure.
[17:49] <ishan> kandarpk, sir hi
[17:50] <kandarpk> ishan: hi
[17:50] <ishan> kandarpk, check http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2195
[17:51] <quidam> alsroot: damn, now it has the libs right, but crashes anyway
[17:51] <alsroot> quidam: I guess python-xpcom should be rebuilt against new xulrunner
[17:51] <ishan> kandarpk, sir any pointers on this bug?
[17:52] <alsroot> quidam: you can try on on lucid https://launchpad.net/~alsroot/+archive/trisquel-edu-3.5/+sourcepub/975416/+listing-archive-extra
[17:52] <quidam> alsroot: but it is the same xulrunner as per karmic
[17:52] <alsroot> quidam: hmm, then dunno..
[17:53] <kandarpk> ishan: the time displayed for UTC+[1-12] is UTC-[1-12] and vice versa
[17:53] <kandarpk> ishan: am I clear ?
[17:53] <ishan> kandarpk, yes
[18:04] <ishan> alsroot, hi aroound?
[18:05] <ishan> aroound/around
[18:05] <alsroot> ishan: hi
[18:05] <ishan> alsroot, check kandarpk, sir can you tell me the file to look in
[18:05] <ishan> oops sorry
[18:06] <ishan> alsroot, check http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2195
[18:08] <alsroot> ishan: did you discuss this issue w/ erikos, he is a maint of sugar sugar-toolkit and took part in coding this part of sugar
[18:08] <alsroot> he is on #sugar
[18:08] <ishan> alsroot, okay
[18:08] <alsroot> looks like he is offline for now
[18:09] <alsroot> ishan: for me it is not clear how it was designed to work
[18:09] <ishan> alsroot, okay
[18:10] <ishan> alsroot, i was checking file sugar-jhbuild/sources/sugar/extension/cpsection/datetime/model.py
[18:14] <alsroot> ishan: yup, thats right place but anyway the problem could be not only in changing TZ itself
[18:14] <ishan> alsroot, right
[19:15] <bernie> manusheel: yes, the metacity fix is a hack. I'm not sure you guys could get it accepted in ubuntu.
[19:15] <bernie> manusheel: I spoke with the metacity maintainer in fedora... he'd accept only a real fix which is far from being trivial
[19:16] <bernie> manusheel: we're talking about the grab/ungrab of global shortcuts such as alt-tab, right?
[19:23] <manusheel> bernie: Yes.