| MTecknology | newz2000: Anything on the legal stuff? I could really use that info.. | 01:23 |
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| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| newz2000 | MTecknology: no, I haven't heard a bit, let me do some follow up | 03:25 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: You around? | 16:00 |
| mhall119 | yup | 16:17 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: ack | 16:18 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: I was wondering if you have the latest django theme running live somewhere I could see | 16:19 |
| mhall119 | not at the moment | 16:20 |
| MTecknology | I was wondering if you figured out that width bug | 16:20 |
| mhall119 | which width bug? | 16:20 |
| MTecknology | bug 632179 | 16:21 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 632179 in ubuntu-website "light-base-theme has bad background width (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632179 | 16:21 |
| MTecknology | I'm not so sure light-wiki is an appropriate tag but.. idk | 16:22 |
| mhall119 | that's on light-base-theme, not light-django-theme.....I'll have to look more into it | 16:22 |
| MTecknology | Can I see the light-django-theme online anywhere? | 16:22 |
| mhall119 | yeah, give me a minute | 16:22 |
| MTecknology | frick! | 16:24 |
| MTecknology | I just removed a site I need | 16:24 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8001/ | 16:25 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: yay, at least the django theme doesn't have it - it wound up making its way to the drupal theme | 16:26 |
| mhall119 | these branches are diverging quite a bit more than I want | 16:27 |
| MTecknology | oh... I see why too - it's quite a bit different from the base theme | 16:27 |
| mhall119 | it shouldn't be all that different from the base theme, and all my css changes have gone into new files | 16:27 |
| MTecknology | you and I just said the same thing, huh? | 16:27 |
| MTecknology | I mean the widths of things | 16:27 |
| mhall119 | the header/footer being static width is only done in loco-directory, not light-base-theme | 16:28 |
| MTecknology | like in newstyle.css line 191 | 16:28 |
| mhall119 | or light-django-theme for that matter | 16:28 |
| mhall119 | newstyle.css is loco-directory only | 16:28 |
| MTecknology | right | 16:28 |
| MTecknology | so the issue is still in the django theme too probably | 16:29 |
| mhall119 | default.css and django_extras.css are the only ones from light-django-theme | 16:29 |
| mhall119 | and default.css should be identical to the one in light-base-theme | 16:29 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: If you have it up and running anywhere, try to just make the browser smaller than the width of the staqtic width content and then scroll right | 16:31 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8001/ is the latest code for both loco-directory and light-django-theme | 16:32 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: but that has a static width for the backgrounds | 16:33 |
| mhall119 | okay, you want to try a non-static width? | 16:33 |
| MTecknology | use firebug, grab header#page-header and change width to 100% - that's what's in light-base-theme | 16:34 |
| MTecknology | frick...... | 16:36 |
| MTecknology | This sucks..... I deleted the website that means the most to me... | 16:36 |
| MTecknology | I have the database - but not the website files | 16:36 |
| mhall119 | yup, I see it | 16:36 |
| mhall119 | http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8002/ | 16:36 |
| MTecknology | I wish I updated backup paths back when I was thinking about it... I really boned myself hard | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: I hate css | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | I've tried every combinations of styles I could think of, and I can't make it 100% with a horizontal scroll without breaking the layout under other circumstances | 17:09 |
| mhall119 | maybe newz2000 or someone better at css than I am can help | 17:10 |
| newz2000 | what are you trying to do? | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | oh, wait, maybe... | 17:11 |
| mhall119 | how supported is the min-width attribute? | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | not IE | 17:12 |
| newz2000 | wow, that looks very pretty | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | what does? | 17:12 |
| newz2000 | the family.ubuntu-fl theme | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | alright, well IE can look like crap for all I care | 17:13 |
| newz2000 | what are you trying to achieve? | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | newz2000: newz2000 family.ubuntu-fl.org:8001 is loco-directory trunk | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | :8002 is summit.ubuntu.com trunk | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | newz2000: when the browser's width is less than 980px, it produces a horizontal scroll | 17:14 |
| newz2000 | ah, yes, that's the challenge with fixed width | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | but the body and #page-header element widths match the browser's width | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | so when you scroll right, the header doesn't extend the full 980px | 17:14 |
| newz2000 | yeah, I've seen that a "few" times | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | but setting min-width: 980px on BODY fixes it for browsers than recognize min-width | 17:15 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: I'm reading the backlog - min-width doesn't work :( | 17:15 |
| MTecknology | it kinda does - but not completely | 17:16 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: set it on BODY on default.css line 138 | 17:16 |
| newz2000 | mhall119: what do you want to happen? | 17:16 |
| mhall119 | newz2000: for the <body> width to always be at least as wide as the page content | 17:16 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: min-width 100% on body? | 17:16 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: no, min-width: 980px | 17:16 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: that'll only work if you're using 980px for everything else though | 17:17 |
| MTecknology | I made the drupal one so you can decide the size of the page.. | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: oh... | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | then make the min-width the same as the page width | 17:18 |
| newz2000 | that does work | 17:19 |
| MTecknology | that can work for width in px but what about setting the width of the page to say 90% | 17:19 |
| newz2000 | Another option is to not use a combination of fixed/% widths | 17:20 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: in that case, I'm not sure | 17:20 |
| mhall119 | % widths will be relative to the browser's width | 17:20 |
| newz2000 | no | 17:20 |
| newz2000 | % widths are relative to container's width | 17:20 |
| mhall119 | which for <body> is the window, correct? | 17:20 |
| newz2000 | So you'd want one 90% width container and 100% widths inside | 17:20 |
| MTecknology | lemme change the drupal theme to a % | 17:20 |
| MTecknology | http://staging.profarius.com/ | 17:21 |
| MTecknology | 80% | 17:21 |
| newz2000 | MTecknology: your search box is causing a prob in Chrome | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | yeah, it's wrapping on small widths | 17:22 |
| MTecknology | newz2000: the whole think kinda breaks :( | 17:22 |
| newz2000 | yeah, this is why I have tended towards fixed width lately | 17:23 |
| newz2000 | Another option is to do a media query and choose a layout based on the width of the browser window | 17:23 |
| MTecknology | I tend to lean that way too.. I just want to make it work nice and pretty for everyone and % was a common request | 17:24 |
| newz2000 | With a media query you can create a narrow layout and a 980px layout. That way it works in mobiles and desktops. | 17:24 |
| MTecknology | what about resizing browser windows? | 17:25 |
| newz2000 | I think it applies there too, but I'm not confident | 17:25 |
| newz2000 | I've actually only done this once. :-) | 17:25 |
| MTecknology | heh... cool | 17:26 |
| MTecknology | if it's less than 800px; then enforce 800px min width | 17:26 |
| MTecknology | still going to be a bitch with the % width.. part of the issue is whining if there's horizontal scroll | 17:27 |
| MTecknology | I'm half considering saying % width isn't an option..... | 17:28 |
| MTecknology | I hate to be a dick to anyone that wants that but at this point I'm pretty frustrated :( | 17:28 |
| MTecknology | Did I make him upset? :( | 17:29 |
| * newz2000 just did something and accidentally closed irc | 17:29 | |
| MTecknology | newz2000: oh, I thought you were mad at me and left in anger :( | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | I'm not even sure what keys I pushed | 17:30 |
| * newz2000 meant to alt+tab | 17:30 | |
| MTecknology | sometimes I alt+tab - and openbox dies | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | so, ftr, I say forget the % width unless you're really passionate about it | 17:31 |
| MTecknology | I have been in the past.. and it worked perfect.. | 17:32 |
| MTecknology | this new theme is.... not nice to me :P | 17:32 |
| newz2000 | if you were going to accommodate a different width window I'd say look into mobile friendly width | 17:32 |
| MTecknology | ? | 17:33 |
| newz2000 | I mean that 320px is more important than 840px | 17:33 |
| MTecknology | oh | 17:34 |
| MTecknology | is that the de facto for itty bitty windows? | 17:34 |
| * newz2000 double checks his numbers | 17:34 | |
| newz2000 | yes, 320x480 | 17:35 |
| MTecknology | alrighty - I'll sit on it in my head for a while and see if I build up the motivation to attack it | 17:37 |
| MTecknology | otherwise we can sit with static widths.. | 17:37 |
| newz2000 | yes, I think you're safe with static widths | 17:37 |
| * newz2000 won't criticize you at least | 17:37 | |
| MTecknology | I'm sure there has to be a way to deal with it in a way that's not an ugly horrible hack | 17:40 |
| newz2000 | yes, there is: don't use a mix of % and px | 17:41 |
| MTecknology | there's that too | 17:41 |
| mhall119 | use tables for layout | 17:43 |
| * mhall119 ducks | 17:43 | |
| MTecknology | lol... that's been an option that's been looking prettier and prettier | 17:43 |
| MTecknology | honestly..... I think... at this point.... it might be a good option | 17:43 |
| * MTecknology hides | 17:43 | |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: http://giveupandusetables.com/ | 17:43 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: exactly that | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: haha, nice | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | okay, I'm off to lunch and the book store | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: are you coming to UDS? I thought no, but Michelle said you were | 17:45 |
| pleia2 | mhall119: nope, I have too much going on this fall | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | darn, had my hopes up and everything | 17:46 |
| pleia2 | sorry :) | 17:47 |
| MTecknology | I want to go someday :( | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | deadline to apply for sponsorship was 2 days ago... | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | if you wanted to go, should have filled it out by ten | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | then | 17:47 |
| MTecknology | I wouldn't have time | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | okay, my stomach is yelling at me, be back later | 17:48 |
| MTecknology | hopefully I can find the time at some point in my life :P | 17:48 |
| MTecknology | so.. I finally restored this website except for every single image in it | 17:48 |
| MTecknology | My finacee is going to be maaaaaaaaaad | 17:51 |
| MTecknology | and sad :( | 17:51 |
| mhall119 | MTecknology: got anything in browser cache? | 18:57 |
| mhall119 | or maybe http://www.archive.org/web/web.php ? | 18:57 |
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| MTecknology | mhall119: hm? | 20:38 |
| MTecknology | oh! | 20:38 |
| MTecknology | nah, there's nothing. :( | 20:38 |
| mhall119 | oh well | 20:39 |
| MTecknology | thanks though | 20:39 |
| MTecknology | it's close enough to be accepotable | 20:39 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: btw - http://wedding.profarius.com | 20:39 |
| mhall119 | wow, I'm glad blogs weren't popular when I was getting married | 20:40 |
| MTecknology | :P | 20:41 |
| MTecknology | I do websites - so it was fun to do :_ | 20:41 |
| daker | \o/ | 20:42 |
| mhall119 | I did websites when I was getting married, still wouldn't have wanted to blog it | 20:43 |
| MTecknology | I enjoyed making it :P Kim's enjoyed tossing things on there | 20:44 |
| MTecknology | mhall119: If I don't figure this out by tonight.. things are moving to a table layout for the background.. | 20:45 |
| mhall119 | +1 | 20:45 |
| MTecknology | It'll be a 3x4 grid and it's going to take magic for me to change my mind :P | 20:45 |
| mhall119 | I'm amazed that we're on CSS3, and still they can't make it do what tables do | 20:45 |
| MTecknology | part of it is probably some ugly code on my part | 20:46 |
| mhall119 | yeah, but ugly table code still worked | 20:46 |
| MTecknology | I'm not using tables now | 20:46 |
| MTecknology | Nowhere actually | 20:46 |
| MTecknology | I mean I think I have some ugly css | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | I meant that even back in the day when I was writing ugly table code, it still worked | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | oh, ya | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | it's less fragile | 20:49 |
| mhall119 | it's easier to understand why it's doing what it's doing | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | I think for the light-{base,django}-theme the fixed width could work best. I just know how many people have prodded me in the past. Back then it was easy though.. | 20:51 |
| newz2000 | since looking at your stuff earlier I have been browsing with my window narrower than usual. Wow, the web is screwed up like that. :-) | 20:54 |
| MTecknology | newz2000: :P indeed | 20:55 |
| MTecknology | newz2000: sucksabit? | 20:55 |
| newz2000 | a bit | 20:56 |
| MTecknology | oooh! with tables I only need to asign widths for the top row too... :) | 20:56 |
| newz2000 | no | 20:56 |
| newz2000 | don't do that | 20:56 |
| MTecknology | no? | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | a good simple fixed width layout is not hard with css | 20:57 |
| MTecknology | right... but dynamic not so much | 20:57 |
| newz2000 | if in doubt, use a css framework then | 20:58 |
| MTecknology | ? | 20:58 |
| newz2000 | yui is fine | 20:58 |
| newz2000 | there's a fluid version of 960 | 20:58 |
| MTecknology | oh.. | 20:58 |
| newz2000 | The one I used on old old Ubuntu (with gold header) was skidoo2 | 20:58 |
| MTecknology | so instead of converting this theme yet again, drop it and switch to something like 960? | 20:59 |
| MTecknology | btw - I already wrote the table :P | 21:00 |
| MTecknology | took me almost two minutes | 21:01 |
| newz2000 | do you want fixed width or fluid? | 21:03 |
| MTecknology | both | 21:04 |
| MTecknology | 960 isn't bad but it's definitely overkill | 21:05 |
| newz2000 | in two min you can also write a fluid page template | 21:07 |
| newz2000 | assuming you want fluid main column with a fixed width nav column on the side | 21:07 |
| newz2000 | you just nest one div inside the other, set the outer one to something like width:90%;min-width:550px;max-width:960px;margin: 0 auto; | 21:08 |
| newz2000 | the inner div: float: left; width: 220px; | 21:08 |
| MTecknology | I mean the whole inner content being based on either fixed or fluid - then the inside of that is the content with two collapsible sidebars | 21:08 |
| newz2000 | MTecknology: how much of your theme did you write from scratch? | 21:08 |
| MTecknology | ~80% of it | 21:08 |
| newz2000 | is it some of that 80% that is not working right, or is it the other 20%? | 21:09 |
| MTecknology | it's only putting a fluid width on the page that's not working | 21:09 |
| MTecknology | if that starts working then I'll be satisfied | 21:09 |
| newz2000 | MTecknology: are we still looking at http://staging.profarius.com/ as an example? | 21:10 |
| MTecknology | ya | 21:11 |
| MTecknology | You can check out the source for it bzr branch lp:ubuntu-drupal-theme | 21:11 |
| newz2000 | I'll just view in the browser, I work better that way | 21:11 |
| newz2000 | What is the problem? | 21:11 |
| newz2000 | (we're trying to fix?) | 21:11 |
| MTecknology | h on - lemme drop that damned search block | 21:12 |
| MTecknology | alrighty, right now the menu doesn't line up with the rest of the page with the % width | 21:13 |
| MTecknology | with the static width I run into needing to put a static width on body but that won't work for % | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | MTecknology: check this: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0e117tg9a | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | There's a couple probs there | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | 3 actually | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | one is the top (orange) nav is piled up on the logo | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | the other is the gray nav is too narrow to fit the search | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | and lastly, the page content is cramped but I still have these pretty dotted background borders running down the side | 21:15 |
| newz2000 | is there more that's wrong? | 21:16 |
| MTecknology | the menu and content divs don't line up | 21:16 |
| newz2000 | MTecknology: what do you mean? | 21:17 |
| MTecknology | the left most line in the menu is the left most of that div - it should line up with the white background right below it | 21:18 |
| newz2000 | MTecknology: are you referring to the orange menu? | 21:18 |
| MTecknology | ya | 21:19 |
| newz2000 | "page 1" | 21:19 |
| newz2000 | I see from #sidebar-left that there is 10px of white space | 21:19 |
| newz2000 | if I add 10px left margin to ul.nice-menu then it lines up | 21:20 |
| newz2000 | not worrying about the search box, it looks like the min-width is 740px | 21:21 |
| newz2000 | for div.container | 21:21 |
| newz2000 | so width:80%;min-width:740px | 21:22 |
| MTecknology | unless you add more stuff to the menu | 21:22 |
| newz2000 | right | 21:22 |
| newz2000 | it's a tricky prob | 21:24 |
| MTecknology | ya | 21:24 |
| MTecknology | and you know why.... | 21:24 |
| MTecknology | Back before the community theme everything could be contained inside of one container div | 21:24 |
| MTecknology | now that doesn't work because there's three different backgrounds that span the whole width | 21:25 |
| newz2000 | so make one container and make those other 3 100% | 21:25 |
| newz2000 | oops, I'm looking at the wrong theme | 21:25 |
| newz2000 | nah, you'd still need at least 2 containers | 21:26 |
| MTecknology | <div style="margin: 0 auto;">Junk</div> | 21:27 |
| MTecknology | I think maybe I need to take a break and rewrire my brain a bit - I've been working on the same theme for so long the change in design is just breaking my mind | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | yeah | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | that happens | 21:28 |
| MTecknology | I want to mimic how I've been doing it.. but that's not really possible anymore. | 21:28 |
| MTecknology | I have a meeting pretty quick here. | 21:29 |
| * newz2000 has to write a shell script to do date math | 21:29 | |
| MTecknology | newz2000: thanks for taking the time to help me. I think I need to get home, get a drink, watch the black screen on my tv (no cable or movies), and mellow, then come back and do something amazing | 21:29 |
| MTecknology | ouchy | 21:30 |
| * newz2000 will cheat and use python | 21:30 | |
| MTecknology | lol | 21:30 |
| newz2000 | have a nice end to your day MTecknology. I will be in Europe next week, so screwy hours | 21:30 |
| MTecknology | ok | 21:30 |
| MTecknology | you too | 21:30 |
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