[00:00] <DanaG> Rather, I need "newreloc", it seems.
[00:00] <DanaG> Maybe.
[00:01] <DanaG> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.grub.devel/16574
[00:09] <KillerKristin1> hi everyone
[00:09] <KillerKristin1> I gots a question
[00:09] <jjcm> Groovy
[00:09] <KillerKristin1> using Ubuntu 10.10 and I lost surround sound output on SB Xi-Fi and was wondering if there is a way to get it back?
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> it worked earlier today
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> after the upgrade
[00:10] <jjcm> Only surround sound, or all sound?
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> I was playing music
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> only surround
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> I have it set to Analog Output right now and it works
[00:10] <jjcm> hmmm
[00:10] <KillerKristin1> Surround worked fine on 10.04
[00:11] <KillerKristin1> i have a SB Xi-Fi Music
[00:11] <KillerKristin1> and strange thing is that the beep on startup worked
[00:12] <KillerKristin1> but not the startup sound
[00:13] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: Surround might just be muted then
[00:13] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: what's it say in alsamixer?
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> im guessing i stumped ya
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> :) its got me perplexed too
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> hmm
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> I got disconnected
[00:15] <KillerKristin1> is my chat showing?
[00:16] <KillerKristin1> got disconnected
[00:16] <KillerKristin1> hi all
[00:16] <jjcm> 23:13 < jjcm> KillerKristin1: Surround might just be muted then
[00:16] <jjcm> 23:13 < jjcm> KillerKristin1: what's it say in alsamixer?
[00:16] <jjcm> that was the last thing I sent over to you
[00:16] <KillerKristin1> what am I looking for
[00:17] <KillerKristin1> never used this terminal command before
[00:17] <KillerKristin1> its wierd looking
[00:18] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: ha, just look for a channel that says surround
[00:18] <KillerKristin1> it was all the down
[00:18] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: so bump it up
[00:18] <jjcm> KillerKristin1: and you should be good
[00:18] <KillerKristin1> i did but still no good
[00:18] <jjcm> make sure that it doesnt have a MM on it
[00:19] <jjcm> If there's an MM at the bottom, it means it's muted
[00:19] <jjcm> in which case just press m
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> ah
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> your a genius
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> PCM was all the down too
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> bumped it up and now it work
[00:20] <KillerKristin1> :)
[00:20] <jjcm> Enjoy
[00:21] <jjcm> Also, *you're
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> how do I quit alsamixer?  Can i just close the terminal?
[00:21] <jjcm> ctrl+c
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> thank you
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> :p fine you're a genius
[00:21] <KillerKristin1> hehe
[00:21] <jjcm> And now you know
[00:21] <jjcm> and knowing is half the battle
[00:21] <jjcm> (the other half being red lasers and blue lasers, at 25% each)
[00:22] <KillerKristin1> last time I tried to use alsamixer on I think 9.10 it said no such command
[00:22] <KillerKristin1> wierd
[00:22] <KillerKristin1> at least now I know what it is
[00:23] <KillerKristin1> I love the new rythmbox integration into the sound panel applet
[00:23] <KillerKristin1> so easy\
[00:46] <lucas-arg> any app to control bass and treble in maverik?
[01:08] <sometux> will gimp be shipped in ubuntu 10.10 final release?
[01:09] <sometux> I can't find gimp in the beta?
[01:11] <sometux> will u10.10 have an photo-editing app?
[01:14] <magedragon25> I am running lucid, want to upgrade to 10.10. I ran sudo update-manager -d. After is gets to calculating changes, I get an error. If i check the /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log, it says Can't mark ubuntu-desktop. Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Any help with this?
[01:18] <yofel> sometux: we have gimp 2.6.10 in the archive, but it won't be on the live disk
[01:18] <yofel> magedragon25: probably the dependencies are broken currently, try again in an hour or so
[01:18] <magedragon25> tried several days in a row with same prob
[01:18] <sometux> magedragon25: use this commadn update-manager --devel-release
[01:19] <yofel> sometux: that does exactly the same thing
[01:20] <jjcm> sometux: gimp got axed
[01:20] <jjcm> out of the official release that is
[01:23] <yofel> make that 'out of the default installation', as it's still officially supported
[01:24] <magedragon25> sometux: tried that, still same error
[01:27] <sometux> magedragon25: use synaptic to resolve any broken packages you have and try again
[01:28] <magedragon25> synaptic doesn't report anything broken
[01:32] <sometux> magedragon25: pastebin the log file
[01:32] <magedragon25> ok
[01:32] <blaz_> hi. since 2.6.35-19 kernel update boot hangs when video modes are switched (this happens twice during boot). I have to press (any) key to continue. Same happens during shutdown. Anyone has similar issue?
[01:49] <litropy> hi, peeps. What's the best chan for Unity?
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Not sure if theres a #unity channel or not
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> whats Unity again? I forget.. sounds familer
[01:58] <Daekdroom> Dr_Willis, Unity is ubuntu netbook edition replacement to default GNOME.
[01:58] <Daekdroom> Well, not quite a replacement.. I don't know how to explain.
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> Oh yea.. read/seen the reviews.. not used it yet.
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> The new netbook interface :)
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> Im still exploring the 'new' features of the gnome desktop ive been reading about..  (some seem to be missing however)
[03:28] <bdogg> hey, can someone help me with xmms
[03:43] <bazhang> !xmms
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[03:45] <bazhang> bdogg?
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> I recall compiling xmms - being a bit of a pain.. for very little gain
[03:46] <bdogg> help with old xmms anyone?
[03:47] <bazhang> !xmms > bdogg
[03:47] <Sir_Brizz> hi all... I'm running Kubuntu 10.10 beta and I can't for the life of me figure out how to enable the nvidia drivers
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> be a bit more verbose in the questions also.
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> Sir_Brizz:  run the jockey-??? program (from cli or menus) and let it install them?
[03:47] <bdogg> Alsa plugin conflicts with other audio
[03:48] <Sir_Brizz> is that the "Additional Drivers"?
[03:48] <bdogg> and oss is no longer functional (doesnt detect soundcard)
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Sir_Brizz:  yea - i think they renamed it.. (again)
[03:48] <Sir_Brizz> hehe
[03:48] <Sir_Brizz> I ran that and it doesn't seem to show anything
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> the actual binary name is jockey-SOMTHING
[03:48] <DanaG> jockey-gtk for gnome.
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Sir_Brizz:  on my system. i couldent even see the desktop. I had to install ssh, and then ssh -X in to run jockey :) to get them to install
[03:49] <DanaG> ah, I tried kde 4.4 again.  It's nice and shiny, but too bulky.
[03:49] <DanaG> Everything takes up 25% more space than in Gnome.
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> the nvidia package is nvidia-commion isent it?
[03:49] <Sir_Brizz> nvidia-current
[03:49] <Sir_Brizz> DanaG: 25% more than Mono?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> there we go. :)
[03:49] <DanaG> I mean screen real estate.
[03:49] <DanaG> Not disk space.
[03:50] <Sir_Brizz> oh lol
[03:50] <Sir_Brizz> I always change the font size down which makes everything smaller
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> I always make the font sizes BIGGER.. so i can read easier. :)
[03:50] <DanaG> Yeah, I use 8.5 in Gnome, and probably in KDE as well.
[03:51] <DanaG> Xorg deliberately fails at setting correct DPI: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[03:51] <DanaG> With correct DPI set, the default font size of 10 points is freaking huge.
[03:52] <Sir_Brizz> lol
[03:53] <dk12548> is anyone here
[03:54]  * Dr_Willis looks at his system using size 13-16 fonts...
[03:54] <DanaG> Dr_Willis: what size and resolution screen?
[03:54] <dk12548> how can i increase the dpi ?
[03:54] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[03:55] <DanaG> dk12548: are you affected by this lame "feature"?  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[03:55] <DanaG> It's a feature!  It makes your screen larger!
[03:55] <DanaG> (Or so it claims.)
[03:55] <DanaG> It's magically turned my 15.4" LCD into 20 inches.
[03:55] <DanaG> ... or so Xorg claims.
[03:56] <dk12548> no dona i am not affected by that bug
[03:57] <dk12548> actually i am totally unable to increase the dpi of my screen
[03:57] <dk12548> i am a complete noob. i came to +1 cause there was no one answering in kubuntu
[03:57] <DanaG> ah yeah, KDE only gives you 96 and 120.
[03:58] <dk12548> so how should i change it?
[03:58] <DanaG> Ah, I put something in my Xsession.d
[03:58] <DanaG> cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/15damn-xorg
[03:58] <DanaG> #!/bin/sh
[03:58] <DanaG> xrandr --dpi 147
[03:59] <dk12548> oh k
[04:00] <dk12548> also i wanna know if i can have a keyboard shortcut for opening console
[04:00] <dk12548> not alt+f2
[04:00] <dk12548> something like ctrl+shift+o
[04:00] <yofel> dk12548: kde right? give me a sec
[04:02] <dk12548> yeah
[04:02] <yofel> dk12548: in the keyboard shortcuts, go to custom shortcuts click on edit->new->global shortcut->command/url, set the trigger, and under action put 'konsole' as command
[04:04] <dk12548> where is keyboard shortcut?
[04:04] <yofel> erm, somewhere in systemsettings, in kde 4.5 it's under 'shortcuts and gestures'
[04:07] <dk12548> well i figured that out but there is no option of custum shortcut
[04:08] <yofel> iirc it was named slightly different in 4.4, but it is there somewhere
[04:09] <dk12548> i dont know if im working on 4.4 or 4.5 how can i figure out?
[04:09] <yofel> open some kde app -> help -> about kde
[04:11] <dk12548> hey its 4.2.2
[04:11] <dk12548> i mean 4.4.2
[04:12] <yofel> here's how it looks like in 4.5.1 http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/keyb.png
[04:13] <dk12548> oh ok but it is not like this here
[04:13] <dk12548> how can i upgrade?
[04:13] <yofel> right, it was a bit different in 4.4, but it's possible
[04:13] <dk12548> i googled it too but didnt helped:(
[04:14] <yofel> dk12548: there is 4.5.1 in the kubuntu backports ppa for lucid, and note that maverick isn't released yet
[04:15] <yofel> there are instructions on how to add the ppa somewhere on kubuntu.org
[04:15] <dk12548> oh kk. looks like i have to do some workout then
[04:16]  * yofel needs some sleep
[04:16] <yofel> gn
[04:17] <dk12548> see ya
[04:17] <dk12548> bye
[04:17] <dk12548> thanks
[04:25] <DanaG> Weird... my gwibber shows more posts than it lets me scroll to see!
[04:26] <DanaG> Wait, it's just wrapping.
[04:26] <DanaG> How weird.
[04:26] <DanaG> If you look beyond the bottom of the list... you see the top of the list!
[04:26] <Sir_Brizz> DanaG: you are right ffs
[04:26] <Sir_Brizz> at 1680x1050 the font got huge
[04:27] <DanaG> Wrong DPI also means that zooming 100% in OpenOffice and Gimp and Inkscape is meaningless.  It's not really 100%.
[04:27] <DanaG> With DPI set correctly, I can zoom OpenOffice to 100% and hold an envelope up to the screen, and the size matches exactly.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I now get  kernel messages spamming my consoles 'Unable to enumerate USB device on port 1'    seems that was an issue last week.. got fixed.. now its back.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> i just unplugged all usb devices.. :) still getting it. Perhaps its an internal usb hub/thing on the laptop
[04:54] <Tsims> Can someone help me out? I'm trying to install an icon set and am totally lost
[04:55] <Sir_Brizz> DanaG: is there an easy way to fix the dpi or should i just lower the font size?
[04:59] <SBRi> I installed 10.10beta using Wubi and noticed something very annoying. Everytime I ran a program, opened a new tab in firefox, or opened any program for that matter, my hard disk made a screeching sound, the sound I hear when I turn my laptop on, as if the hard drive stops spinning that starts back up again. Can anyone help me in this matter?
[05:46] <DanaG> Sir_Brizz: if your screen is really high-dpi, you should lower the font size.
[05:47] <DanaG> A point is supposed to be 1/72 inch (or 1/96, if you follow Microsoft's lead).
[05:47] <Sir_Brizz> hmm I don't really know what happened
[05:48] <Sir_Brizz> I set my resolution to 1680x1050 in nvidia-settings and my fonts look way too big
[05:48] <DanaG> So 1/72 * 10 points = 0.138 inches.
[05:48] <DanaG> Hmm, what's the native resolution of your screen?
[05:48] <DanaG> Higher, or lower?
[05:48] <Sir_Brizz> 1680x1050 is the recommended resolution
[05:48] <DanaG> nvidia doesn't lie about DPI... so just make the font sizes smaller.
[05:48] <DanaG> 10 points really is really big.
[05:49] <DanaG> er, wait... 10 isn't all that big according to screenruler...
[05:50] <DanaG> ah, they must not be following 72.
[05:50] <DanaG> My 8.5-point font is 12 points according to screenruler.
[05:52] <Sir_Brizz> 8 seems okayish
[05:53] <Sir_Brizz> no wonder my friend is always complaining about giant fonts in kde
[05:53] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch
[05:53] <Sir_Brizz> on my other laptop at 1440x900 the fonts looked fine
[05:53] <DanaG> I use 8.5.
[05:53] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[06:02] <DanaG> I also found that KDE takes up a boatload more space (on screen) than Gnome does.
[06:02] <DanaG> Oxygen is nice, but it's way tooooo bulky.
[06:03] <DanaG> It makes 1920x1200 feel like 1280x800.
[06:03] <Sir_Brizz> the window decorations don't bug me that much
[06:03] <Sir_Brizz> it would be nice if Aurorae would get an update and include skins that were skinnier though
[06:10] <lucidfox> DanaG> Oxygen is just the default theme, you can change it
[06:10] <lucidfox> it's not even the default theme in Kubuntu, I think
[06:10] <DanaG> Well, I like the style (nothing else is as nice)... I just wish that style weren't such a space hog.
[06:10] <DanaG> Same style but slimmer, would be nice.
[06:10] <lucidfox> tried QtCurve?
[06:11] <DanaG> Ooh, just had a thought: gtk+ style, in KDE.
[06:12] <DanaG> Ambiance in KDE... spiffy.
[06:12] <lucidfox> How would you configure it? Through the GNOME appearance preferences?
[06:12] <DanaG> Not sure... I'll try to figure that out now.
[06:13] <DanaG> argh, stupid KDE... at login, it opens what's in my Xsession.d... in a text editor!
[06:18] <DanaG> Spiffy... that works.
[06:18] <DanaG> You use the KDE gtk-appearance thing to change the theme.
[06:18] <DanaG> Takes a logout to take effect, though.
[06:19] <DanaG> Well, it's not consistent, though.
[06:27] <DanaG> Oh, and KDE startled the pants off me (to use a figure of speech) when I had the volume all the way up (accidentally), and then went to close my laptop lid.
[06:27] <DanaG> It played some sound.
[06:29] <DanaG> Okay, how do I do "replace playlist" without right-clicking, in amarok?
[06:32] <DanaG> Har, "LCD Weather Station" thinks it's -460 F outside.
[06:44] <atari2600a> hey, whenever I restart, Empathy accidentally all my accounts
[06:44] <atari2600a> is there a workaround?
[06:45] <DanaG> accidentally all your accounts?
[06:45] <DanaG> Accidentally what?
[06:46] <atari2600a> accidentally everything! D:
[06:48] <DanaG> argh, kwin is still laggy.
[06:48] <DanaG> Back to Gnome I go.
[08:15] <Eruaran> hello
[08:15] <Eruaran> need a little help
[08:16] <Eruaran> installed kubuntu 10.10 partitioning manually
[08:16] <Eruaran> dual boot
[08:16] <Eruaran> but system only boots Windows XP, I don't get a grub menu
[08:16] <Eruaran> Im a bit of a noob but looks like kubuntu is installed ok but just no grub
[08:46] <Eruaran> If I use guided install instead of manual partition will kubuntu actually give me a dual boot grup menu?
[09:03] <bullgard4> [Ubuntu 10.10 Beta] /etc/blkid.tab is a stale symlink with me. Is it with you also a stale symlink?
[09:23] <bullgard4> Can I remove it safely?
[09:24] <mrp> how can i bypass using my fstab file? it has a invalid entry and i can't boot my system...
[09:25] <bullgard4> mrp: Take a Live Ubuntu CD and edit it.
[09:27] <bullgard4> mrp: Before, You should make a backup copy of /etc/fstab.
[09:29] <mrp> bullgard4: blah thats the only way?
[09:29] <mrp> i tried reovery mode and no luck..
[09:30] <bullgard4> mc 3:4.7.0.6-1 shows the file entries as filename - size - access rights. How can I change that to the old layout filename - size - modify time?
[09:34] <bullgard4> mrp: I dont know. Usually Linux offers several solutions. May be you will find another solution by googling: "Ubuntu does not boot edit fstab".
[09:36] <mrp> bullgard4: i just booted a xubuntu cd and mount the drive changed fstab and rebooted working now thanks
[09:37] <bullgard4> mrp: Enjoy Ubuntu!
[09:38] <Titti> hi
[09:38] <Titti> who can tell me how to upgrade to beta release from shell?
[09:44] <bullgard4> Titti: '~$ update-manager -d'
[09:44] <Titti> without windows manager
[09:44] <Titti> only from shell
[09:45] <bazhang> Titti, on server?
[09:45] <bullgard4> Try do-relase-upgrade. But I did not ry that myself.
[09:45] <Titti> desktop
[09:45] <Titti> k
[09:46] <Titti> no new relese found
[09:46] <Titti> is not online the new beta?
[09:46] <bullgard4> Titti: Try do-release-upgrade. But I did not try that myself.
[09:46] <Titti> i tried it now
[09:46] <bullgard4> Beta is online.
[09:46] <Titti> uhm
[09:47] <Titti> do-release-upgrade say no new release online
[09:47] <bazhang> as there is no stable version available
[09:47] <bazhang> Titti, any reason not to use the gui
[09:50] <Titti> i tried this
[09:50] <Titti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[09:51] <Titti> but don't works
[09:52] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core Titti
[09:52] <Titti> it is installed
[09:52] <bazhang> sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release   Titti
[09:52] <Titti> i did
[09:53] <bazhang> Titti, then what is the error
[09:53] <Titti> no new release found
[09:53] <Titti> maybe i have to change repository?
[09:54] <Titti> sourceslist?
[09:54] <Titti> can u try it
[09:54] <Titti> ?
[09:56] <bazhang> Titti, not the recommended way; not sure why you simply dont use the update-manager
[09:56] <Titti> ok, i wanted only to try this way
[09:57] <bazhang> Follow the on-screen instructions. Titti that was the final step   <----
[09:57] <Titti> k
[10:00] <Titti> massimo18: thanks  bye
[10:00] <Titti> ops
[10:00] <Titti> thanks bye
[10:14] <Tetsuo55> is 10.10 already using the new ubuntu font?
[10:24] <lapion> I am getting intermittent keyboard/system freezes
[10:24] <lapion> dmesg gives me : http://pastebin.com/vBF9kFyT
[10:29] <Machtin> could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i do the 6-channel speaker-test. however, both front speakers and the center speaker work like they are supposed to.
[12:31] <tekonimel> trying to get around the "no init found" at usb boot; now using freshest of the fresh unetbootn and daily 10.10 netbook meerkat ISO
[12:33] <tekonimel> bugger, that didn't work :(
[12:43] <DrHalan> hey
[12:44] <DrHalan> did grub installation break?
[12:45] <DrHalan> i can't install it on my drive anymore
[12:45] <DrHalan> anyone?
[12:47] <yofel> odd, there was a grub update yesterday to fix bug 623609, and the preious update was on the 8th
[12:47] <yofel> DrHalan: it works fine here at least
[12:49] <DrHalan> yeah i just did a dist-upgrade and it failed to configure grub because of that
[13:08] <h4f> hi all
[13:09] <h4f> I have some keys of my touchpad not working any more. and i wan't that functionality back :)
[13:09] <h4f> I have a touchpad on my laptop like this http://computermonger.com/wp-content/uploads/reviews/acer_aspire_5315/acer_aspire_5315_touchpad.jpg
[13:10] <h4f> the touchpad itself is working good. but the keys between left and right button are not working any more as they were.
[13:11] <h4f> there is a 4 button key. up/down is working. right/left suppose to open a new tab in firefox. in maverick its not working that way
[13:11] <h4f> can some one point me where can I configure those keys to my needs ?
[13:31] <DrHalan> r wieso braucht ma bitter 124xD
[14:05] <somaunn_> hello
[14:07] <Sjors_> Hi all
[14:08] <bazhang> Sjors_, what options?
[14:08] <somaunn_> Hi Sjors_
[14:08] <Sjors_> I've downloaded the ubuntu 10.10 'standard' install CD, but I'm having problems booting it; the resolution is constantly wrong
[14:08] <Sjors_> so anyway: I was wanting to know whether I could start text-mode installation on the standard install CD
[14:08] <bazhang> Sjors_, then try some boot options
[14:08] <Sjors_> bazhang: from vga=xxx to xsetup xforcevesa and everything I could find on the community wiki
[14:08] <Sjors_> everything either ended up in a console screen which had the wrong resolution *too*, to the standard X screen with the wrong resolution
[14:09] <bazhang> Sjors_, not sure then; whenever I want the ncurses based installer I get the alternate
[14:09] <Sjors_> in the case of the wrong resolution console, the screen always started to act weird right after some nouveau lines
[14:09] <Sjors_> so I think nouveau is mis-detecting either the graphics card or the screen...
[14:09] <Sjors_> can I force the install CD to use a generic driver instead of nouveau, maybe?
[14:12] <Sjors_> for some reason, every time I gave xforcevega, the machine ended up doing nouveau anyway
[14:16]  * Sjors_ downloads the alternate cd anyway, bah >_<
[14:27] <sevenseeker> this is so odd, since upgrading to 10.10 2 days ago, I have no networking.  Interfaces are up, I can set everything up correctly including wireless but just nothing works (like pinging, browsing, etc).  No error messages anywhere that I have found.
[14:28] <sevenseeker> However, I did notice that if apparmour is running that bringing up interfaces results in a 'DENIED' message (which I can't post here since I am booted into another os)
[14:28] <sevenseeker> stopping apparmour eliminates this message but still no networking
[14:29] <Sjors_> sevenseeker: and `ping`?
[14:29] <Sjors_> try ping 208.67.222.222
[14:29] <Sjors_> that's the IP address of one of the anycast OpenDNS servers
[14:30] <sevenseeker> ping results in a resolution of the host, but no traffic
[14:30] <nanomad> is the btrfs regression fixed in maverick?
[14:30] <sevenseeker> ok, lemme write that down and reboot :) thanks
[14:30] <dupondje> Hi guys :)
[14:30] <nanomad> hi
[14:30] <dupondje> I need some noob help. I got a file '--exclude=*.jpg'  but can't remove it :p
[14:31] <nanomad> try rm "--exclude=*.jpg"
[14:31] <dupondje> rm: unrecognized option '--exclude=*.jpg'
[14:31] <dupondje> :P
[14:31] <nanomad> or just put a \ before every - and = and *
[14:31] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ rm \-\-exclude\=\*.jpg
[14:31] <dupondje> rm: unrecognized option '--exclude=*.jpg'
[14:32] <nanomad> rm \-\-exclude\=\*\.jpg
[14:32] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ rm \-\-exclude\=\*\.jpg
[14:32] <dupondje> rm: unrecognized option '--exclude=*.jpg'
[14:32] <dupondje> :P
[14:32] <nanomad> rm -- "--exclude=*.jpg"
[14:33] <Sjors_> I'd make that '--exclude=*.jpg' or it will try to glob the asterisk in there
[14:33] <Sjors_> not that it should matter
[14:33] <nanomad> yes
[14:33] <nanomad> otherwise just delete the inode
[14:33] <nanomad> ;)
[14:34] <nanomad> dupondje, did it work?
[14:34] <Sjors_> except stat has no --exclude option too ;-)
[14:34] <nanomad> Sjors_, ls -i .
[14:34] <Sjors_> hmm good idea
[14:35] <dupondje> rm -- "--exclude=*.jpg"
[14:35] <dupondje> worked :p
[14:35] <nanomad> good
[14:35] <dupondje> that was a hard one :p
[14:35] <nanomad> normal stuff against script kiddies
[14:35] <nanomad> btrfs is still bugged in maverick
[14:35] <dupondje> btw, could it be that man tar is wrong ?
[14:35] <nanomad> :|
[14:35] <nanomad> why?
[14:36] <Sjors_> no, impossible!
[14:36] <dupondje>      tar [-] A --catenate --concatenate | c --create | d --diff --compare | --delete | r --append | t --list | --test-label | u --update | x --extract --get [options] [pathname ...]
[14:36] <Sjors_> the man files are always right, if they aren't, they still are
[14:36] <nanomad> are u talking about the --exclude=PATTERN
[14:36] <nanomad> ?
[14:36] <dupondje> yep
[14:37] <nanomad> i'll try that
[14:37] <dupondje> tar -cjvf --exclude=*.jpg file.tar.bz2 dir
[14:37] <dupondje> that doesn't work
[14:37] <Sjors_> dupondje: that's because after -f comes a filename
[14:37] <dupondje> tar --exclude=*.jpg -cjvf file.tar.bz2 dir
[14:37] <Sjors_> do it like this:
[14:37] <Sjors_> right
[14:37] <Sjors_> there. :P
[14:37] <Sjors_> or you will create a file called --exclude=*.jpg
[14:37] <dupondje> ah right
[14:37] <dupondje> -f = -file :)
[14:38] <Sjors_> and you will try to pack file.tar.bz2 in it
[14:38] <dupondje> thats why indeed
[14:38] <Sir_Brizz> hahaha
[14:38] <nanomad> lol
[14:38] <Sjors_> --file, actually, GNU longopts have two dashes :)
[14:38] <nanomad> man pages are always right
[14:38] <Sir_Brizz> nice one dupondje ;)
[14:38] <dupondje> fail ... :)
[14:38] <nanomad> so, anyone using btrfs here?
[14:39] <Sir_Brizz> no because you can't fsck it :(
[14:39] <nanomad> lol
[14:39] <nanomad> right
[14:39] <dupondje> ecryptfs here :P
[14:39] <Sir_Brizz> when btrfs has fsck i will probably start using it
[14:39] <nanomad> I was going to test btrfs with this install, but i didn't check the bug reports
[14:40] <nanomad> an install take 3h with btrfs
[14:40] <Pretto> where do i find information about hal not installed by default anad what is used in his place?
[14:40] <Sir_Brizz> Hello,
[14:40] <Sir_Brizz> Hallo, Dave!
[14:42] <nanomad> Pretto, we are using udev i think
[14:44] <Machtin> could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i do the 6-channel speaker-test. however, both front speakers and the center speaker work like they are supposed to.
[14:45] <nanomad> what's the driver name?
[14:46] <Machtin> actually.. not even the center works when i add the surround option - just noticed
[14:46] <Pretto> nanomad: :) tkx
[14:46] <Machtin> can't tell. :/
[14:46] <Machtin> says chip "AV200" in alsamixer
[14:47] <nanomad> lsmod | grep snd
[14:47] <nanomad> Machtin, lsmod | grep snd
[14:47] <Machtin> snd                    64036  12 snd_virtuoso,snd_oxygen_lib,snd_pcm,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[14:48] <Machtin> anything there?
[14:48] <nanomad> no module options, have u tried moving the sliders in alsamixer?
[14:48] <Machtin> yup
[14:50] <nanomad> try this:
[14:50] <nanomad> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5554388&postcount=4
[14:50] <nanomad> u also need to remove the ; at the beginning of the line
[14:57] <Machtin> didn't change anything nanomad
[14:57] <nanomad> then I can't help you, sorry
[14:58] <akrcanzon> Excuse me for offtopic, but has anyone got experience with routers/networks?
[14:58] <Sir_Brizz> depends on what you need
[14:58] <akrcanzon> Sir_Brizz,  can I pm you?
[14:58] <akrcanzon> So I will not be offtopic here
[14:58] <Sir_Brizz> ok
[14:58] <Machtin> thanks anyway nanomad :)
[15:08] <AlanBell> hi all
[15:09] <AlanBell> anyone know if adobe-flashplugin is going to land in the partner channel before release?
[15:10] <AlanBell> if you wind up at the adobe website from youtube or other sites it suggests for 9.04+ apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner
[15:11] <AlanBell> at the moment on maverick that results in an error message "Package 'adobe-flashplugin' is virtual."
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Isn't the plugin itself outside the repositories, with just the flashplugin-installer now official?
[15:21] <coz_> hey guys   no mplayer  yet?
[15:23]  * charlie-tca doesn't really know about flash; it is hard to find out information about it
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> They may actally make it ehere you can click on flash at their web site and install it.. that would be nice
[15:39] <Dr_Willis> thats the way the Adobe air works last i tried it.. but its a little weird. the binary installer sort of makes/extracts a deb it then installs.
[15:41] <mathew> whats the minimum ram requirement for Lucid Lynx 64 bit?
[15:43] <penguin42> mathew: I'm not sure what the official number is, but for the normal installer I suggest between 384mb and 512mb
[15:44] <mathew> penguin42: just asking because the OS is too slow on by machine with 1 GB ram
[15:45] <penguin42> mathew: It shouldn't be, but if it is then I guess it's a case of finding out if RAM is the problem
[15:45] <mathew> penguin42: why do they say 64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage on the website?
[15:46] <penguin42> mathew: Not sure, I suggest probably because things like Flash are more of a pain, and generally 64-bit does need a little more RAM
[15:47] <mathew> well, flash works fine, its simple things which takes a lot of time
[15:47] <mathew> like opening a new terminal sometimes take like 3-4 seconds
[15:47] <BUGabundo> I've been using 64bits for 3 yeats
[15:47] <BUGabundo> *years
[15:47] <BUGabundo> not a single stress
[15:47] <mathew> opening a movie in vlc takes 15-20 seconds
[15:48] <BUGabundo> that's a slow pc
[15:48] <BUGabundo> :\
[15:48] <mathew> it was fine for me till I updated it to Lucid Lynx
[15:48] <penguin42> mathew: youch, that shouldn't happen
[15:51] <penguin42> damn I was going to ask him something
[16:26] <soee> any idea how can i solve this errror msg while loggin in: Could not update ICEauthority file /gome/USER/.ICEauthority ?
[16:27] <penguin42> soee: Did it really spell it like that, or is that just a typo?
[16:28] <soee> penguin42, "Could not update ICEauthority file /home/soee/.ICEauthority" - thts the error msg
[16:29] <penguin42> soee: OK, can you ls -l /home/soee/.ICEauthority  from a text login and also do df on /home/soee ?
[16:30] <Monotoko> heyy...how do i shortcut to my desktop?
[16:30] <Monotoko> ctrl+alt+d isnt working anymore
[16:30] <shadeslayer> hey any ideas on how to set up your old ssh key on your new install?
[16:30] <soee> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/txXmMJLF
[16:32] <penguin42> soee: Well, you have the disk space, did you just chmod 777 .ICEauthority or has it always had those perms?
[16:33] <soee> penguin42, i was looking for a solution (google) and tried few things but none of theme helped
[16:33] <penguin42> soee: OK, chmod it back to normal    chmod 600 .ICEauthority
[16:35] <soee> i think its after today updates, i dont think it has anything to do with my sound system crash after trying to play song in Rythmbox via Sound Indicator while Radio Tray was running - now i have no sound :/
[16:35] <soee> penguin42, k its 600 now
[16:36] <penguin42> Also check the perms on the directory itself   ls -ld /home/soee
[16:37] <soee> penguin42, drwxr-xr-x 80 1016 1016 4096 2010-04-02 18:46 /home/soee
[16:37] <penguin42> seems sane
[16:37] <penguin42> any errors in dmesg?
[16:38] <soee> penguin42, dmesg ?
[16:39] <penguin42> run dmesg it'll give you a load of logs
[16:40] <Monotoko> why is it Windows+D to get to the desktop?!?!?!?!
[16:41] <Monotoko> yet ctrl+alt+l to lock?
[16:42] <soee> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/Bk7ZQ8n2
[16:43] <penguin42> soee: Hmm that looks OK (other than a moan about your mouse)
[16:43] <Azelphur> Monotoko: you can change it you know
[16:44] <Monotoko> Azelphur, but why have ctrl+alt keys, and then windows+ some other key
[16:44] <Azelphur> Monotoko: and the answer is because it's also ctrl+alt+D to show desktop :)
[16:44] <Monotoko> surely thats just gonna confuse people?
[16:44] <soee> penguin42, its just drivers im truing to run, nothing important
[16:44] <soee> ill try logout brb
[16:44] <penguin42> nod
[16:44] <Azelphur> Monotoko: compiz likes using super, gnome likes using ctrl+alt. Lock is a gnome thing, show desktop is a compiz thing.
[16:44] <Monotoko> Azelphur, ctrl+alt+d isnt working here
[16:44] <Azelphur> wfm :p
[16:45] <Azelphur> Monotoko: but yea it's easy to change, system > preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[16:49] <soee> penguin42, same msg again :/
[16:49] <penguin42> soee: Not sure what to suggest I'm afraid - are you using encrypted home directory out of interest?
[16:50] <soee> penguin42, im not sure i did nothing that could cause this problem, just installed todays updates
[16:50] <penguin42> soee: All you can really do is report the bug
[16:51] <soee> penguin42, ok
[16:52] <penguin42> soee: I don't know enough about the login process to suggest where to debug it more
[16:52] <sevenseeker> after updating to 10.10 2 days ago I discovered that my fglrx module will not load (missing symbols)
[16:52] <penguin42> soee: You could look in /var/log/dpkg.log to find any promising looking package that got updated
[16:52] <sevenseeker> trying to rebuild it complains about lack of proper headers and source (kernel)
[16:52] <sevenseeker> what is the best way to update drivers to work?  Just get the official ones from the site?
[16:55] <Tetsuo55> anyone else suffering from having to ALT+TAB between windows before being able to enter text into them?
[16:56] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  you mean using alt tab and then typing in that window?
[16:56] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  sorry read it wrong
[16:56] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  no I am not having that issue here
[16:56] <Tetsuo55> i want to type here, but after being idle for a while its like the window is type-write protected
[16:56] <coz_> i am however not able to compile my alsa driver yet :(
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> have to alt+tab to another window and back before i can type again
[16:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  oooo  no that's not happening here
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> the mouse can do everything though
[16:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  somthing is stealing focus?
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> the mouse can interact, but the keyboard cannot
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> its wierd
[16:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  desktop?
[16:57] <Tetsuo55> it happens (at least) to konversation and terminal
[16:58] <Tetsuo55> laptop
[16:58] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  mm
[16:58] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  I rarely work with laptops ... not sure what to say for that
[17:25] <magicianlord> The new window buttons are adequate.
[17:34] <gnomefreak> was there a chane since Lucid?
[17:34] <gnomefreak> change
[18:06] <androidbruce> so far so good here on the beta
[18:06] <androidbruce> running it on workstation and laptop
[18:10] <duffydack> having an issue with the fan always running at max while using the radeon driver.  fglrx (in lucid) fixes this..what can I do in maverick?
[18:20] <penguin42> duffydack: The fglrx normally make it by release, not what you can do at the moment
[18:21] <penguin42> 'Powermanagement has to be enabled explicitely. Depending on your hardware, the fan might run at full speed. This turned out to be really tricky.'  that's from the known bugs & limitations page of the radeonhd page - although I think the open one is normally radeon not radeonhd
[18:22] <penguin42> (given the known issues for the Radeon stuff is empty)
[18:23] <penguin42> although interestingly in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21678 there's a comment saying the KMS has power management
[18:23] <compengi> are there any known issues after upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10beta when i'm ubuntu on wubi application?
[18:23] <penguin42> my radeon is fanless so I don't have that problem
[18:24] <sevenseeker> radeon you say... I have no working fglrx on my 10.10
[18:24] <sevenseeker> what did you guys do special?
[18:24] <sevenseeker> if anything , please please document
[18:24] <penguin42> sevenseeker: If you've got the HD4xxx or older then the popen drivers work with some limitations
[18:25] <penguin42> duffydack: A bit of googling suggests there are 3 xorg.conf options; DynamicPM, ClockGating and ForceLowPowerMode - not seen any examples of how to use them though or exactly where they go
[18:26] <duffydack> thanks.
[18:26] <duffydack> Ill google a bit
[18:29] <compengi> oh, looks faulty
[18:29] <sevenseeker> penguin42, thanks... how do I reconfigure X in a friendly manner to use those driver(s)?
[18:29] <penguin42> sevenseeker: Which card do you have, and did you previously have fglrx installed?
[18:30] <gnomefreak> its always best to use jockey but you can always edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:31] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Can jockey do that for the open drivers?
[18:31] <gnomefreak> penguin42: disable all other drivers should do it, maybe
[18:32] <gnomefreak> it has to default to something
[18:32] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah OK; I've never had any of the closed drivers on my machine, so I've not had to disable them
[18:33] <gnomefreak> now im not 100% sure that will work but i imagine it has to default to something. as nvidia does
[18:34] <penguin42> I just keep kicking the free ones hard enough to get them to work :-)
[18:34] <sevenseeker> penguin42: I have a mobility radeon HD 4650 and fglrx worked perfectly in 10.04
[18:35] <penguin42> sevenseeker: OK, it'll probably work again by the time Maverick gets released, they have to wait for AMD/ATI to update it
[18:35] <gnomefreak> sevenseeker: it has to do with the transition to X 1.9 most likely
[18:36] <penguin42> gnomefreak: And the new kernel - the build always breaks when the kernel changes
[18:36] <gnomefreak> penguin42: our drivers?
[18:36] <penguin42> gnomefreak: The AMD ones
[18:36] <gnomefreak> or upstream builds
[18:36] <gnomefreak> oh
[18:37] <duffydack> sevenseeker, same gfx card here
[18:38] <sevenseeker> ok, so in the meantime I can use the non accelerated ati driver?
[18:38] <sevenseeker> if so, how do I switch?
[18:38] <sevenseeker> I haven't hacked on x.org configs in many a year
[18:39] <penguin42> sevenseeker: Is X working at the moment?
[18:40] <sevenseeker> penguin42, no... fglrx is the driver referenced and will not load due to missing symbols... however if I just replace the fglrx with 'foo' I doubt it will work unless I uncomment everything (the config options), so is there an easier way?
[18:40] <penguin42> sevenseeker: ok, if oyu can't start X (and hence get to the jockey stuff - maybe there is a command line way?) I'd remove all fglrx packages and move the /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way
[18:41] <gnomefreak> not sure what ATI defaults to but i had vesa working for a while when nvidia broke
[18:41] <sevenseeker> aha, lemme try that on reboot
[18:48] <edgy> crimsun_: hi
[18:50] <sevenseeker> penguin42: would I then run a 'dpkg --reconfigure' on a xorg package or something else?
[18:50] <penguin42> sevenseeker: Nah, just move /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way, it should sort the rest out itself
[18:50] <penguin42> sevenseeker: if you do start gdm I think it should restart it
[18:51] <sevenseeker> penguin42, ok... awesome to hear, thanks
[18:51]  * penguin42 goes to get dinner
[18:57] <coz_> hey guys  icedtea isnt being installed by default  is it?
[18:59] <bobo1231> is there hope for a ubuntu-made graphics settings controlpanel one can use, depite that on is using nvidias drivers?
[19:01] <ahamino> Hi, my AMD Turion X2 ultra overheats under normal stress load, it has been doing that since ubuntu 9.04 -> 10.04 (runs fine on windows 7) .. I'm wondering if that got solved in this release.. Checked lp .. and found a bug that looks similar to the problem I'm having ... but there are no indication of it's status : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/370173?comments=all
[19:03] <coz_> ahamino,  have you checked with #ubuntu-x  channel ?
[19:03] <ahamino> coz_ : what is #ubuntu-x ?
[19:04] <coz_> ahamino,  that channel deals with many things including drivers and functinality as far as I know   I believe that channel would offer more information
[19:04] <ahamino> coz
[19:04] <ahamino> coz_ : ok thanks, will check it
[19:15] <duffydack> just tried booting with radeon.dynpm=1 on kernel line and I get radeon: Unknown parameter `dynpm'  and compiz doesnt get loaded and I get a metacity desktop.
[19:16] <duffydack> thats what a few sites suggested to do.. using xorg apparently is for UMS not KMS
[19:30] <Slasher`> i try to upgrade to the beta and get this error - 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle.' - anyone know how to fix it?
[19:32] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: are you using update-manager -d?
[19:32] <Slasher`> yep
[19:32] <gnomefreak> sounds like you are using X from a PPA
[19:33] <Slasher`> hmm
[19:33] <Slasher`> how would i know if i am/how would i use a different one?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> update-manager should be able to fix it
[19:33] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: do you have an X PPA?
[19:33] <Slasher`> i have no clue lol
[19:33] <Slasher`> would it be in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: you dont know?
[19:33] <gnomefreak> S|away: yes
[19:33] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: yes
[19:34]  * gnomefreak wonders how you do not know
[19:34] <Slasher`> right lets look
[19:34] <Slasher`> hmm
[19:34] <Slasher`> well it's added lines by itself by the looks for maverick
[19:34] <Slasher`> the rest are commented out
[19:35] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: yes they start with #
[19:35] <Slasher`> oh
[19:35] <Slasher`> ok
[19:37] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: do you have one?
[19:38] <Slasher`> # http://ppa.launchpad.net/bogdanb/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main <-is that what i'm looking for?
[19:38] <Slasher`> well
[19:38] <Slasher`> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/bogdanb/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[19:38] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: you are on jaunty?
[19:38] <Slasher`> no
[19:38] <Slasher`> i don't even know why that's there
[19:38] <penguin42> might still have old packages left in from them after an upgrade
[19:38] <Slasher`> possibly
[19:39] <penguin42> Slasher`: oh that looks like it was just an amarok version froma year or so ago
[19:40] <Slasher`> ah yeah
[19:40] <Slasher`> i now use amarok2 anyway
[19:40] <gnomefreak> maqke a whole new lucid .list file assuming you are on lucid. than run update than update-manager -d see if it happens
[19:40] <Slasher`> lets see what else i have
[19:40] <gnomefreak> im gone dinner is done
[19:40] <Slasher`> ok will do
[19:40] <gnomefreak> pastebin the whole list so people can help
[19:40] <Slasher`> do you have a default lucid.list ?
[19:40] <Slasher`> ok
[19:40] <Slasher`> http://pastebin.com/P5qLRHrr
[19:44] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: you cant upgrade from karmic -> maverick you have to upgrade from karmic -> lucid -> maverick
[19:44] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: best to get a new ISo and install clean. back up your files.
[19:44] <Slasher`> i'm on lucid i dont know why it still says karmic
[19:45] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | Slasher`
[19:45] <Slasher`> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 10.04 - lucid Kernel: 2.6.32-24-generic, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 1.7.6 | Desktop: Gnome v2.3.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.6
[19:45] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: your sources list list karmic
[19:45] <Slasher`> hmm
[19:45] <Slasher`> strange
[19:45] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: not strange that is wha5t is there. you most likely have karmic packages as well as lucid but i do not see a lucid repo at all
[19:46] <Slasher`> should i get a lucid .list file, replace it and then update?
[19:46] <gnomefreak> Slasher`: your system is unstable and you should reinstall lucid and wait a while longer before upgraded to maverick. gone now
[19:47] <Slasher`> bugger lol
[19:47] <Slasher`> oh well, thanks
[19:47] <duffydack> Rhythmbox never fetches cover art.. what gives
[19:51] <Dr_Willis> duffydack:  i noticed that also.
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> One of these days i need to track down a way to clean out all these DUps of my music files and sort them better also.
[19:52] <duffydack> I think there exists a program for that... just dont ask me the name
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> yea. I got like 15gb of muzak and i think 1/2 of it are dupes.
[19:54] <coz_> yikes :)
[19:54] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  that has to take up space :)
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> 2TB usb HD on sale for $109 last week.
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> I got 2... :)
[19:55] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  oh then nevermind lol
[19:55] <Dr_Willis> Ive ran out of USB ports on this PC.  I need to track down a PCI usb expansion card thats BIGGER then the 2 i allready have in the machine.
[19:57] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: What the heck of you got plugged in to it?
[19:57] <coz_> ok my first impressions of maverick...still wallpaper choices  span zoom  etc etc are screwed up....right click desktop icons for multiple partitined external drive still have no  unmount options... the search button in synaptic is in a very odd place :)
[20:00] <duffydack> +1 on the unmount.. pita.  I use disk utility for a quick-ish way of unmounting a few drives.
[20:00] <coz_> duffydack, :)  for sure pita... concerned about errors when umounting single partition on external with mulitple partiions ..it tends to screw up the drive re mounting at times
[20:01] <penguin42> coz_: Have you tried the gnome drive mount applet?
[20:02] <coz_> penguin42,  I have and also cairo-dock's as well...they unmount individually fine  however  as in lucid,, highlihgting the set of icons for mulitple drive partitions on the desktop still has no unmount or safely remove drive options
[20:02] <coz_> and of course a single icon right click has it but spits out errors
[20:02] <penguin42> coz_: Hmm, I'd thought for USB stick with multiple partitions it did
[20:03] <coz_> penguin42,  all of my usb sticks are single partition...but external drives are multiple partitions   ...worked fine in karmic though
[20:03] <duffydack> it has eject and safe remove for me...  both do the same thing in terms of removing the partitions from being seen
[20:03] <coz_> duffydack,  on singel partitions?
[20:03] <duffydack> which is the problem, and why I want an unmount.. I wanna unmount and keep them available.
[20:04] <duffydack> not got any with single partitions...
[20:04] <duffydack> so I cant say
[20:04] <coz_> duffydack,  here i get an error when trying to right click unmount with a single partition on the multiple partiioned drive  let me get error
[20:04] <penguin42> coz_: Is this esata?
[20:05] <coz_> penguin42,  no external ide via usb
[20:05] <coz_> this is the error consistent with lucid as well   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/errors/external%20drive%20error
[20:05] <duffydack> usb stick with 6 partitions for me
[20:06] <coz_> penguin42,  also doesnt seem to matter what file system is on externals  I have tried fat  ext4 and ntfs  all with same error
[20:06] <penguin42> coz_: I think that error is from the thing trying to do the sync/clean unmount
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> I have lets see... 6 usb ports built in.. 2 on front (not used except for flash drives)  and 2 pci add on usb cards. one gvives 2 usb ports.. one gives 3 (plus one internal on each) :)
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> the internal ones are neat. but  a bit of a hassle. I put a Bluetooth dongle on one.. and it had a range of like 2 feet
[20:08] <coz_> :)
[20:11] <onyxgaze_> i must say im loving ubuntu after switching from windows 7, it's come a long way from installs i've done in the past, it seems to just work on this box
[20:18] <coz_> onyxgaze_,  very cool :)
[20:21] <aboSamoor> Hi, I am using tsclient, but it seems that it truncates the domain name after specific length. I mean cs.stonybrook.edu appears as cs.stonybrook.e
[20:23] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Just looking up, tsclient looks like it's a front end for rdesktop, have you tried rdesktop directly?
[20:23] <aboSamoor> penguin42: yes, and it works
[20:23] <penguin42> aboSamoor: OK, then I suggest raising a bug against tsclient
[20:23] <aboSamoor> penguin42: but I have to install rdesktop package so I doubt that tsclient is using the same code base
[20:24] <penguin42> oh, ok
[20:24] <aboSamoor> penguin42: is tscleint part of gnome, I want to file upstream then link to launchpad
[20:25] <penguin42> aboSoCurious, it says in the package description it does and it does actually depend on rdesktop
[20:25] <penguin42> aboSamoor: If you do dpkg -s tsclient what version does it say?
[20:26] <aboSamoor> penguin42: 0.150-4ubuntu1
[20:26] <penguin42> hmm that matches
[20:27] <aboSamoor> penguin42: I can not run rdesktop command without installing the package
[20:27] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Weird, ok, what happens if you remove the rdesktop package :-)
[20:28]  * penguin42 discovers the Brazilian Debian Pure Blend - brdesktop
[20:29] <aboSamoor> penguin42: I am sorry. The first time that I thought i installed rdesktop, it was upgrading the packaging and not installing it
[20:30] <penguin42> ah ok
[20:43]  * shoonya is away: Gone to bed...
[20:45] <doc|home> anyone had mpd break on them recently?
[20:45] <doc|home> player_thread: problems opening audio device while playing "Radiohead/[1997.06] OK Computer [24bit-96kHz Vinyl LP]/Radiohead - 01 - Airbag.flac" from the mpd log
[20:45] <doc|home> same for mp3s
[21:21] <Lynoure> Amarok working fine for people?
[21:22] <Lynoure> I'm wondering if I am alone with the problem I asked about ~1 day ago
[21:27] <Monotoko> hmmm, one sec il fire it up
[21:27] <Monotoko> whats the problem?
[21:33] <doc|home> anyone?
[22:27] <doc|home> player_thread: problems opening audio device while playing "Radiohead/[1997.06] OK Computer [24bit-96kHz Vinyl LP]/Radiohead - 01 - Airbag.flac" from the mpd log. Same for mp3s.
[22:27] <doc|home> anyone had mpd break on them recently?
[22:27] <doc|home> must have been a recent update because it was working fine
[22:31] <penguin42> doc|home: I don't use it, does it normally use Pulse or directly access the device?
[22:36] <doc|home> penguin42: you can configure it to use pulse
[22:36] <doc|home> and it had been working fine, so I don't know if it could be configuration
[22:37] <penguin42> doc|home: OK, so is pulse running   ps -eaf|grep pulse should show a pulseaudio process
[22:38] <doc|home> penguin42: it gives two results pulseaudio and gconf-helper
[22:38] <penguin42> ok, so pa is running, so mpd had better be trying to use it
[22:38] <penguin42> doc|home: If it's trying to open the device directly it won't work if pa is running
[22:41] <doc|home> penguin42: http://pastebin.ca/1938469 is the mpd.conf
[22:41] <doc|home> and while I haven't changed that, I wonder if pulse has changed and may expect something else since last week?
[22:42] <doc|home> correction: I changed it when I installed it as it doesn't use pulse by default, in order to get it to work via pulse, but it worked after I did that until some time over the last few days
[22:43] <penguin42> doc|home: Well, that looks like it's set for pa (even though I've never looked at it before)
[22:43] <penguin42> doc|home: Is other stuff playing audio?
[22:44] <doc|home> penguin42: yep, xine, totem and rhythmbox work fine, as does flash on websites
[22:44] <penguin42> doc|home: OK then I guess mpd got broke
[22:45] <penguin42> doc|home: File a bug
[22:46] <doc|home> will do, thanks
[23:36] <vbabiy> is any one else seeing high cpu usage for xorg?
[23:36] <bazhang> vbabiy, let me check
[23:36] <penguin42> vbabiy: A few people have said that
[23:36] <vbabiy> I see it when I alot of text scrolling in my terminal
[23:36] <vbabiy> penguin42, do you know if there is a fix yet?
[23:36] <bazhang> vbabiy, yep
[23:37] <penguin42> vbabiy: No I don't, I'm not sure anyone has nailed it down - still, text scrolling through a terminal IS limited by the rate at which X/graphics card can shift it
[23:37] <penguin42> (although konqueror is actually neater than most terminals)
[23:37]  * penguin42 means konsole
[23:58] <Kendalja>  I just downloaded the Ubuntu 10.10 netbook iso
[23:59] <Kendalja> how do i install from usb stick?
[23:59] <penguin42> Kendalja: Have you got an Ubuntu machine already running ?