[00:12] <drew212> trinikrono: sounds like kernel? i'm not positive tho
[00:12] <trinikrono> :D hey drew212
[00:13] <drew212> trinikrono: hey =)
[00:13] <drew212> whats up?
[00:13] <trinikrono> this reporter if he uses a ps/2 mouse
[00:13] <trinikrono> the system just crashes
[00:13] <trinikrono> bug 630459
[00:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630459 in ubuntu "PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard freezes after some time (ASUS motherboard) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630459
[00:13] <trinikrono> i am not sure where to assign the bug
[00:17] <drew212> hmmm
[00:17] <trinikrono> drew212: how is your bug coming alot
[00:17] <trinikrono> the big one
[00:17] <trinikrono> *along
[00:18] <drew212> trinikrono: which one? the one with the opens with... dialogue?
[00:18] <trinikrono> the firefox one you are working on as a assignment
[00:18] <drew212> there's a patch upstream for it unfortunately, so I haven't been working on it =X
[00:19] <trinikrono> :D
[00:19] <drew212> trinikrono: it sounds like a kernel issue, but i'm not for certain
[00:19] <drew212> kernel or a driver issue
[00:19] <trinikrono> but isnt the keyboard stuff controlled from erm
[00:19] <trinikrono> hal or x?
[00:20] <drew212> im not sure, i don't debug keyboard/mouse issues on a regular basis =P
[00:21] <drew212> no lights blinking, so no kernel failure...
[00:22] <drew212> LOL, i got a windows looking virus search through a webpage popup...
[00:22] <drew212> told my my C: drive had multiple malware infections...
[00:23] <Muscovy> I've seen a few of those.
[00:25] <penguin42> trinikrono: If it also happens outside of X it's definitely kernel, if it happens only in X well it could be either - but when he says it stops responding is it actually just the whole machine and nothing to do with keyboard or mouse?
[00:31] <trinikrono> well ill ask that
[00:31] <trinikrono> penguin42: if its just the keyboard and mouse its x then?
[00:43] <penguin42> trinikrono: Probably, although it's difficult to tell unless they can try something else like sshing in
[00:51] <trinikrono> well i asked
[00:51] <trinikrono> hopefully he would play music or something
[00:56] <trinikrono> penguin42: you mean the stuff at this page?https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[00:56]  * penguin42 hasn't looked at that page
[00:57] <penguin42> it's bed time for this penguin - see you all tomorrow
[00:57] <trinikrono> gnights
[01:09] <trinikrono> hey drew212 you are in BC now right
[03:20] <hybridJeffBarnes> I just did a fresh install of 10.04 desktop lucin lynx   I updated and created two unprivileged users   upon loging into User1 I was able to read User2's files. neither of these was the administrator
[03:22] <hybridJeffBarnes> I noted that protections seemed a bit strange
[03:27] <bcurtiswx> hybridJeffBarnes, i imagine both sides had the read permission..
[03:28] <hybridJeffBarnes> Owner Group and World read
[03:33] <hybridJeffBarnes> This would seem ubuntu was hacked and mistakenly had important files on a net machine. Can anybody confirm? Maybe my iso in my previous downloads folder had been changed by somebody. I put this iso on my usb stick to install. Just put it on a friends computer so I have a need to know.
[03:34] <bcurtiswx> all files will have ugo+r
[03:34] <bcurtiswx> not all will have write and execute permissions
[03:35] <hybridJeffBarnes> why would anybody design a distribution where users can read other users files?
[03:35] <bcurtiswx> windows does it
[03:35] <bcurtiswx> mac does it
[03:35] <bcurtiswx> redhat does it
[03:36] <hybridJeffBarnes> unbelievable
[03:36] <hybridJeffBarnes> i'm not talking about shared folders I mean all files
[03:36] <bcurtiswx> im talking about all files too
[03:37] <bcurtiswx> i don't know the logistics behind why, but i see no problem.. if i want files to be private i just chmod
[03:38] <yofel> or change the umask if you want new files to be unaccessible
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> yofel, yup
[03:38] <hybridJeffBarnes> whan I managed a vax 25 or so years ago that would have been considered a disaster if one researcher could read anothers personal stuff
[03:39] <hybridJeffBarnes> privacy was the default
[03:43] <hybridJeffBarnes> why een assign each user a different password then?
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> absolutely, my research is very private at work.  It's my life now.  It's very much restricted :)
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> hybridJeffBarnes, do you want users editing your files?
[03:45] <hybridJeffBarnes> I don't want them reading my diary. Owner and group should be given access but world should be done manually
[03:46] <bcurtiswx> hybridJeffBarnes, whats so hard about chmod u-r ?
[03:47] <hybridJeffBarnes> I should not have to do that every time I create a file
[03:47] <bcurtiswx> anyways, this is a channel dedicated to bug triage.  Try chatting it up in #ubuntu for support questions
[03:48] <hybridJeffBarnes> I'm changing distributions    good bye
[03:48] <bcurtiswx> thanks for joining, have a great evening
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> hey nishh
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> nisshh even
[03:50] <nisshh> bcurtiswx: hey
[04:42] <nigelb> vish: pong?
[04:43] <nigelb> vish: on vacation, so I'll be around sparingly, probably ping you back on monday.
[05:23] <vish> nigelb: boo! you ruined the moment! ;)
[05:23] <nigelb> vish: huh?
[06:33] <xavinux> buenas noches a todos
[06:33] <xavinux> Good night
[06:37] <xavinux> disculpen la molestia, soy nuevo en la lista y me gusstaría si alguien puede explicarme acerca de como colaborar con los Bugs
[08:48] <defendguin> i've got an issue with 10.04...  after a recent update, i can't pin point wich one but i've trilled rolling back to an older kernel and it didn't fix it, when i try to suspend my computer hangs and never gets into suspend it just stays on and the only way out is to hold down the power button
[08:52] <defendguin> i haven't had any problems in the past several years with the suspend working on this laptop it is very disappointing for this regression to appear all of a sudden
[08:58] <defendguin> sorry did someone just say something to me about my suspend issue?  the window wasn't open and i tried to suspend but my screen locked up as is typical now
[14:46] <charlie-tca> Kernel bug triage summit in #ubuntu-classroom in 14 minutes - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/Summit/Maverick
[14:47] <JFo> yep yep :)
[15:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: kernel bug triage summit, should be a good place if you want to ask about the network card importance again
[15:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: alright .. if you know when it is can you tell me? i have it somewhere in my mail
[15:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: it's starting right now in classroom ;)
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oh! :D
[15:10] <BUGabundo> shrug
[15:10] <BUGabundo> java is blowing to bits :(
[15:10] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/635765
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635765 in openjdk-6 (Ubuntu) "SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00007faef91177d4, pid=4639, tid=140386956601104 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[16:28] <bullgard4> How should I report a Launchpad bug for Maverik? '~$ ubuntu-bug launchpad'?
[16:28] <bullgard4> s/Maverik/Maverick/
[16:30] <penguin42> I'm curious what makes the launchpad bug Maverick specific
[16:34] <bullgard4> penguin42: I will answer your question after you answered my question.
[16:34] <penguin42> bullgard4: Haha erm OK, well I'd report it on launchpad through the webform
[16:34] <penguin42> bullgard4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[16:35] <penguin42> bullgard4: It'll let you do that for launchpad
[16:40] <bullgard4> penguin42: Your recipe seems to work. --  I notice this bug on Maverick. May be it is due to the fact that the (or my) login procedure is different from that on Ubuntu 10.04.1.
[16:40] <penguin42> bullgard4: OK, so explain what your bug is?
[16:41] <bullgard4> penguin42: Yes, I will write a bug report. I will not do double work but rather give you the bug number in a moment. Ok?
[16:41] <penguin42> sure
[16:44] <stlsaint> drew212: looking for server/openssh bugs isnt all that easy as i thought
[16:44] <drew212> stlsaint: i know, its easier to find a package that you like, than a distribution
[16:45] <drew212> most bugs aren't distribution specific, the ones that aren't are usually because they've been updated in a newer distro
[16:45] <stlsaint> drew212: yea thats why i choose ssh, but maybe not for a newbie like myself
[16:46] <drew212> there isn't much debugging documentation on openssh
[16:47] <drew212> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[16:48] <drew212> stlsaint: you can pick a package from there, most of them contain easy step-by step documentation
[16:50] <bullgard4> penguin42: launchpad bug #635812
[16:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635812 in launchpad "https://login.launchpad.net/+login is not neatly designed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635812
[16:52] <penguin42> ubot2: What makes it maverick specific?
[16:52] <ubot2> penguin42: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:52]  * penguin42 fixes fingers
[16:52] <penguin42> bullgard4: What makes it maverick specific?
[16:53] <bullgard4> penguin42: I told you before: "I notice this bug on Maverick. May be it is due to the fact that the (or my) login procedure is different from that on Ubuntu 10.04.1."
[16:53] <penguin42> bullgard4: Hmm you don't say that in the report
[16:54] <stlsaint> drew212: nice, thakns
[16:54] <stlsaint> s/thakns/thanks
[16:54] <bullgard4> penguin42: Your statement is correct. I do not have this opening window (form) in Ubuntu 10.04.1 (any longer).
[16:57] <drew212> stlsaint: no problem =)
[16:57] <jenkins> where would be the best place to ask about writing apport rules? I have done them and they did work but in mavrick i am getting "this is not a genuine ubuntu package"
[16:59] <yofel> jenkins: not sure, but do you get any error on the console? and is this about a ppa package?
[17:00] <jenkins> yofel: It is a ppa package the error i am getting is http://paste.ubuntu.com/492230/
[17:01] <yofel> wait, I saw that recently somewhere..
[17:06]  * jenkins hopes 
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I thought that was because maverick is development version?
[17:07] <yofel> iirc that assertion tries to make sure that the key value contains only alphanumerical characters once '.' '-' and '_' have been removed
[17:08] <yofel> ah right, bug 634133 was about the same failure
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634133 in apport (Ubuntu) "AssertionError filing bug using ubuntu-bug network-manager (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634133
[17:10] <yofel> wait, 'k' should be the key..
[17:10] <jenkins> i have no problem with ubuntu-bug network-manager . When i wrote the apport stuff in lucid it worked which does not make sense why it will not work in maverick
[17:10] <yofel> jenkins: can you pastebin your hook please?
[17:11] <jenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/492237/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/492238/
[17:11] <yofel> ooooh
[17:12] <yofel> I think I get it
[17:12] <yofel> Quickshot Log 1 has to be Quickshot_Log_1 or Quickshot-Log-1 or Quickshot.Log.1, no spaces allowed
[17:13] <yofel> see if changing that helps
[17:13] <jenkins> it will take me a few minutes
[17:14] <yofel> sure, I'll be here for a while
[17:14]  * yofel goes looking at the network manager hook in the meanwhile
[17:15] <jenkins> which line are you talking about? where is the space?
[17:15] <jenkins> o i get it
[17:15] <jenkins> don't worry
[17:17] <jenkins> thanks yofel your ace I would have never got that
[17:18] <yofel> you're welcome
[17:19] <jenkins> I have to go cook food later
[17:23] <stlsaint> drew212: poke
[17:23] <drew212> stlsaint: yeah?
[17:23] <stlsaint> drew212: hey do you know why when in update manager when you update one day it still shows "package information updated XX'days ago"?
[17:24] <drew212> checking
[17:26] <drew212> because you've not updated the package information, you have to click check for that...
[17:26] <drew212> it just means you haven't checked if there are any updates in XX days
[17:27] <stlsaint> drew212: but i have
[17:27] <drew212> you clicked check?
[17:27] <stlsaint> still showing 34 days
[17:27] <stlsaint> drew212: yep yep
[17:28] <drew212> i'm not sure then. have you tried killing the process and opening a new one?
[17:32] <stlsaint> kill update manager? i closed out and opened it again yes if thats what you mean
[17:42] <drew212> sounds like a bug.
[17:43] <stlsaint> YES :D
[17:43] <drew212> stlsaint: i'm actually on my way out the door though, i have a meeting, ill be back in an hour or so.
[17:43] <stlsaint> drew212: cool, thakns
[17:43] <stlsaint> thanks
[17:44]  * yofel wonders where u-m gets that number from
[18:05] <jibel> yofel, from /var/lib/apt/periodic/update-success-stamp
[18:07] <yofel> aah, did  a quick glance into the apt cron job but only found update-stamp there. should have looked at the complete folder
[18:32] <njin> hello, if i have a laptop with a UK keyboard layout, if I connect a US keyboard it's layout has to be detected automatically or is normal to set it manually. thanks
[18:33] <penguin42> I think manually
[18:33] <yofel> considering that you have to select the keyboard layout in the installer yourself and it's set to the default layout of the language you're currently using, I would say manually
[18:33] <penguin42> system->preferences->Keyboard->layouts
[18:38] <njin> i think too, thanks
[18:40] <penguin42> I don't *think* there is a way to have a different layout
[19:00] <njin> can you help me with this, he said that there's no way to change a mount point https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/409039
[19:02] <yofel> reading..
[19:07] <yofel> hm, in KDE 4.5, they show up as he describes and are mounted as /media/$LABEL (testing my ntfs partitions here)
[19:08] <yofel> also, changing fstab *always* takes effect, but I'm not exactly clear on how dolphin handles those mount points
[19:11] <yofel> njin: maybe go to #kubuntu-devel and ask JohntheEchidna what he thinks about this bug, as he was the first one to comment on it
[19:11] <yofel> BUT
[19:13] <yofel> it seems like he expects that changing fstab entries also adds the mount points for them (as I understand comment #8), this is not the case
[19:14] <yofel> probably as setting a non-existent mount point in ubiquity will make the installer create it
[19:36] <njin> Yofel: Thanks, i was launching