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[03:07]  * bcurtiswx ate too much pizza
[03:08] <fagan> bcurtiswx: I want pizza now :(
[03:08] <fagan> no where open though
[03:08] <fagan> so its just taunting me
[03:08] <bcurtiswx> haha, lots open here still
[03:08] <fagan> its 3 am here
[03:08] <bcurtiswx> gmt+1, ick
[03:08] <bcurtiswx> go to bed
[03:09] <fagan> I am in bed
[03:09] <fagan> cant sleep
[03:09] <fagan> :/
[03:09] <bcurtiswx> ahh, have someone hit you in the head with a frying pan?
[03:09] <fagan> eh id prefer to have some pizza
[03:09] <fagan> :)
[03:09] <fagan> and some booze
[03:10]  * bcurtiswx wonders how pizza in europe is
[03:10] <fagan> bcurtiswx: america ?
[03:10] <bcurtiswx> depends on where u get it.. i hate chain places
[03:10] <bcurtiswx> i like local places
[03:10] <bcurtiswx> more genuine
[03:10] <fagan> well europeans invented pizza
[03:10]  * bcurtiswx knows, hency why i wonder
[03:10] <fagan> so go to italy and get real pizza
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> i have a passport, just need an excuse to use it.. lol
[03:11] <fagan> well dont you need a visa?
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> same thing :P
[03:11] <fagan> interesting
[03:12] <fagan> well I need a visa waver to get to america
[03:12] <fagan> but thats easy to get
[03:12] <bcurtiswx> its a passport here, looks like a checkbook
[03:12] <fagan> well we have passports too :P
[03:12] <fagan> and they look really similar
[03:13]  * bcurtiswx thought they were the same
[03:13] <fagan> except the Irish one is a weird brown colour
[03:13] <fagan> We should have a green one
[03:13] <bcurtiswx> fagan what country are you in exactly?
[03:13] <fagan> Ireland
[03:14] <bcurtiswx> ah, very nice
[03:14]  * bcurtiswx wants to visit there sometime
[03:14] <bcurtiswx> maybe my honeymoon
[03:14] <fagan> well its nice but dont go to dublin :D
[03:15] <bcurtiswx> lol, ok
[03:15] <fagan> its a rip off and the people arent as nice as the rest of the country
[03:15] <bcurtiswx> i'll take your word on that
[03:15]  * fagan still has love for dublin but its not as good as everywere else
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[09:49] <aleth> Hi, how do I change the gnome desktop theme from the command line? Is there something like "gnome-appearance-properties <theme-folder>"?
[14:10] <mpt> vish, yo
[14:11] <mpt> vish, you know everything there is to know about icon sets. Is there supposed to be an icon somewhere for "Developer Tools" > "OCaml"?
[14:12] <vish> mpt: hey, yeah.. it was included in the last update.. it uses their logo > http://caml.inria.fr/ocaml/index.en.html
[14:12] <vish> mpt: is it not showing up in SC?
[14:13] <mpt> vish, how recent was that update? I just installed updates half an hour ago and it's now showing in USC
[14:13] <vish> :)
[14:13] <mpt> bug 635732
[14:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635732 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""OCaml" subsection in "Developer Tools" is missing an icon (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635732
[14:13] <vish> mpt: yeah, i tried the same too , but somehow SC does not pick them up..
[14:16] <vish> mpt: i had given mvo the icon names , but just adding the icon names in /data/software-center.menu.in does not seem to do it.. this worked last cycle , not sure where is changed this cycle..
[14:16] <fagan> Oh did you see my bug report about the FPS subsection for the software center mpt I made it about a week back
[14:17] <vish> mpt: ah wait!
[14:17] <vish> mpt: found the bug! mvo has named that -caml :)
[14:17] <mpt> fagan, no, I haven't sorry
[14:17] <fagan> Ill go grab a link
[14:17] <vish> instead of -ocaml
[14:17] <mpt> vish, it's a one-line fix?
[14:17] <vish> yup
[14:17] <mpt> sweet
[14:17]  * vish just checked the commit, 
[14:18] <fagan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/626414
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 626414 in software-center (Ubuntu) "FPS sub genre in games (affects: 1) (heat: 583)" [Undecided,New]
[14:19] <fagan> The short story is that I dont think FPS games should be in arcade because they are a lot cooler than all the games in arcade
[14:20] <fagan> But I suppose its a little late now
[14:31] <mpt> fagan, it's a bit more complicated than that, too: there's probably no technical way of distinguishing FPS Arcade games from non-FPS ones right now. See <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Genre>, and my last two comments in bug 475773.
[14:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 475773 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Get Software" category lists are too long (affects: 2) (heat: 22)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/475773
[14:33] <mpt> vish, thanks for that. :-) Now, is there a Lisp icon too?
[14:34] <vish> mpt: thats the lisp icon.. ;p
[14:34] <vish> mpt: i couldnt think of anything better.. ;p  feel free to suggest anything better for natty :)
[14:35] <mpt> vish, it's not any of the icons mentioned on http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/logo_lisp.html
[14:35] <mpt> any of the logos, I mean
[14:35] <fagan> ah ok mpt
[14:36] <vish> mpt: doh! i kept asking here , that i had no clue for that icon .. i blame you for not noticing my random rant here ! ;p
[14:36] <vish> mpt: i did notice the lizard thingy , but that is for lisp common or something.. , while lisp seemed for everything else..
[14:40] <mpt> vish, http://xahlee.org/emacs/lisp_logo.html would be nice if the licensing could be sorted out
[14:41] <vish> mpt: cool! not sure if we'd get an update for that icon alone... can you convince someone to update humanity for that icon?  i can get that done in 48px though..
[14:42] <mpt> vish, dude, licensing
[14:42] <vish> boo licenses ;p
[14:43] <mpt> First we'd need to mail Xah Lee and say something like, "Here's what Ubuntu Software Center's 'Developer Tools' section looks lke without a proper logo for Lisp. Would you be ok with relicensing yours so that we can use it?"
[14:44] <mpt> I'm not supposing that would get done in time for 10.10. :-)
[14:44] <vish> hmm.. or.. we dont have to do something exactly the same, and avoid license?
[14:45] <mpt> Copyright for graphical things doesn't work that way
[14:45]  * vish not sure about any licenses.. :)
[14:46] <vish> heh! i was trying to find a link to something reasonable from > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISP
[14:46] <vish> but never found that page :(
[14:46] <mpt> IANAL, but our Lisp icon would need to be about as different from any existing logo as our Java icon is from the official Java logo
[14:48] <vish> yea..
[14:49] <vish> hehe , we could have a stuttering tongue ;p
[14:49] <mpt> Or some nice brackets: "((()))"
[14:53] <vish> mpt: brackets? why? not sure i understand how that fits..
[14:53] <mpt> vish, Lisp is (in)famous for its heavy use of brackets
[14:54] <vish> oh..
[14:54] <mpt> http://www.j-paine.org/dobbs/whats_with.html
[14:57] <vish> mpt: btw, what gtk theme are you using?  the green scrollbars seem unfamiliar
[14:57] <devildante> mpt is here in weekend? Impossible :p
[14:57] <devildante> btw, hi all :)
[14:58] <mpt> vish, Elementary, with colors changed in Appearance
[14:58] <mpt> Hi devildante :-)
[14:58] <vish> ah..
[14:58] <vish> devildante: mpt is a workaholic.. ;)
[14:58] <devildante> hi, mpt, vish :)
[14:58] <devildante> vish: :p he's still a great guy :)
[14:58] <vish> meh..
[14:58] <vish>  ;p
[15:10] <mpt> devildante, do you know who did the History code?
[15:10] <devildante> mpt, no :(
[15:11] <devildante> mpt, I'll search in bzr log
[15:11] <mpt> oh, it doesn't matter that much, it's just quite buggy
[15:13] <devildante> mpt, care to report bugs? (or give me the bug numbers)
[15:15] <mpt> oh, I hadn't noticed you were already working on bug 635198
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635198 in software-center (Ubuntu) "History shows dates out of order (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635198
[15:15] <mpt> there's bug 635193
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635193 in software-center (Ubuntu) "History doesn't show anything I installed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635193
[15:15] <mpt> And it's not collating applications together
[15:16] <mpt> e.g. I installed Freeciv with a capital F, and that shows up as four separate entries: "freeciv-client-gtk installed" "ggzcore-bin installed" "freeciv-data installed" "freeciv-server installed"
[15:19] <mpt> I guess a lot of it is just stuff I didn't have time to specify, and I'm just whining :-)
[15:19] <devildante> mpt, since the long-term goal is to replace synaptic, I think this is the good behavior
[15:20] <devildante> mpt, unless you want the application name shown, but that would break UI freeze
[15:20] <mpt> yeah
[15:20] <mpt> I guess for Natty we should have a "Show technical items" toggle like we do elsewhere
[15:21] <devildante> mpt, yes, that would be cool!
[15:29] <vish> mpt: WIP > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/applications-lisp.png  ?
[15:30] <devildante> vish, what's that?
[15:30] <vish> :(
[15:31] <vish> devildante: http://www.j-paine.org/dobbs/whats_with.html
[15:31] <vish> devildante: an icon for lisp..
[15:31] <devildante> ah, okay, thx :)
[15:32] <mpt> devildante, clearly, it's a pram <http://www.spiderpic.com/stock-photos/dreamstime/4032502-pram-for-baby-girl> as seen through a rainbow
[15:32]  * mpt hides
[15:33] <devildante> ...
[15:33] <devildante> mpt, can you see last comment on bug 635138 ? What's your opinion?
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635138 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Apt cache repair "In Progress" text is "Repairing broken deps" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635138
[15:33] <mpt> vish, what do the colors represent?
[15:34] <vish> mpt: just different lines of code.. instead of a monotonous single color for the background..
[15:36] <mpt> ah
[15:36] <mpt> devildante, +1 to glatzor's suggestion. I've commented.
[15:37] <devildante> mpt, great
[15:37] <mpt> vish, programming editors often color nested brackets to clarify which "(" matches which ")". You could get color that way.
[15:38] <devildante> mpt, will changes in trunk affect Maverick, or do we have to backport to the 3.0 branch?
[15:39] <vish> mpt: yeah.. thats why i went for the background colors..
[15:39]  * vish tries colors for the brackets alone
[15:40] <mpt> devildante, I asked mvo about that a few days ago (Monday, I think), and he said he was planning to merge trunk into the 3.0 branch, and that trunk was therefore "frozen" to anything that wasn't suitable for 3.0. That might have changed since, but even if it has, I don't expect he'll be taking much time to review non-3.0 stuff before the Final Freeze.
[15:41] <devildante> mpt, thanks :)
[15:45] <mpt> devildante, also, you probably know this already, but keep in mind that the more bugs you fix in a single branch (e.g. your "fixing-random-bugs"), the more likely it is that there will be a problem with one of the fixes, so the less likely it is that the branch will be merged for 3.0 at all.
[15:45] <devildante> mpt, okay, thanks for the info :)
[16:01] <vish> mpt: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/applications-lisp1.png ?
[16:02] <mpt> vish, much better
[16:02] <vish> cool.. will finish it.. :)
[16:44] <_doug> yo ..
[16:44] <devildante>  /join #ubuntu-tour
[16:45] <devildante> whoops, sorry for disturb :p
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[19:45] <mpt> hi glatzor
[19:46] <fagan> oh mpt I added all the competing services to that wiki
[19:46] <fagan> I think its almost complete now
[19:46] <fagan> ish
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[20:07] <bcurtiswx> ah ha, i know what the messaging menu is missing the option of.
[20:07] <bcurtiswx> the option to ignore an IM (or "x" it out)
[20:08] <bcurtiswx> since its too late for MM, NN will hopefully get that
[20:14] <vish> bcurtiswx: file a bug! ;)
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> :(
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> j/k :P i was already on it, but like always I find a billion distractions along the way
[20:32] <mpt> thanks fagan
[20:32] <fagan> I prob should make better wire frames
[20:32] <fagan> but hey im not an artist :P
[20:39]  * mpt finds a one-line fix for bug 538991
[20:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 538991 in gephi/0.7 (and 1 other project) "Mutual edges not imported when undirected (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538991
[20:39] <mpt> or I should say, 538911
[20:40] <mpt> bug 538911
[20:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 538911 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Developer Tools" > "Debugging" has no items (affects: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538911
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