| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (accegeranty appears to be abusive - 5) | 04:02 |
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| bazhang | heh | 04:03 |
| IdleOne | bazhang: is [CH0S3N] (~chosen@96-40-151-113.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) ban evading? | 04:09 |
| IdleOne | or was that ban removed? | 04:09 |
| bazhang | IdleOne, will check bt | 04:09 |
| IdleOne | bt doesn't say it was removed | 04:09 |
| ubottu | ilovefairuz called the ops in #ubuntu () | 08:51 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mr-poison appears to be abusive - 4) | 09:58 |
| Bacta | Wazooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 12:11 |
| ikonia | utter idiot | 12:11 |
| elky | Nah, that's an insult to idiots. | 12:11 |
| ikonia | why freenode let him persist I don't know | 12:11 |
| ikonia | at least they have dumped his cloak again now, maybe we can keep an eye on him trying to get past the bans again | 12:14 |
| knome | maybe the freenode ops do not like the bacta (http://www.bacta.org.uk/), and want to spoil their reputation | 12:15 |
| * knome hides | 12:15 | |
| marienz | what'd he do this time? | 12:23 |
| elky | marienz, baiting as per above | 12:35 |
| elky | and no idea what else, but there will have been an else somewhere | 12:35 |
| ikonia | being a mild jerk in #mysql | 13:05 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-server, RoyK said: ubottu: nis is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service | 14:01 |
| knome | charlie-tca, iirc, this wasn't the first negative comment from ridin | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | I see. I will go hide again. I am in the kernel triage summit class now | 15:40 |
| knome | hf | 15:40 |
| ikonia | I hate people who think you have to use ubuntu server to actual make services be "served" | 17:04 |
| IdleOne | they just don't know | 17:04 |
| IdleOne | not to blame really. | 17:05 |
| ikonia | actually it is | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | hehe ok it is | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | I was trying to be nice | 17:05 |
| ikonia | to just install things blind is your own fault | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | I usually keep one eye open when installing stuffs | 17:06 |
| ikonia | a little bit of research oesn't hurt | 17:06 |
| ikonia | doesn't | 17:06 |
| gnomefreak | some people are scard of google | 17:07 |
| IdleOne | was a guy last night who wanted to install an ircd to test his java irc client. so he did. then asked how do i run it? | 17:07 |
| IdleOne | he asked if there was a GUI ircd | 17:07 |
| IdleOne | I wanted to fall out my chair | 17:07 |
| IdleOne | so you do have a sense of humor :) | 17:27 |
| IdleOne | good to know | 17:28 |
| knome | hey guys | 18:27 |
| knome | what's the general policy with mint users? | 18:27 |
| gnomefreak | do you mean do we support it? | 18:29 |
| IdleOne | we don't | 18:29 |
| IdleOne | we refer to !mintsupport | 18:30 |
| knome | do we kick users with mint out? | 18:30 |
| knome | or can they stay | 18:30 |
| IdleOne | kick them? they can stay but #ubuntu doesn't support mint because it is not ubuntu | 18:30 |
| knome | so if they keep on asking for support, then ban? | 18:30 |
| IdleOne | if they insist on asking offtopic questions and ignore request not to then I suppose you can kick them | 18:30 |
| knome | (again, i'm mostly talking about #xubuntu where i'm op) | 18:31 |
| gnomefreak | same thing | 18:31 |
| knome | one more question | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | knome: depends on channel policy but yeah | 18:31 |
| knome | what about bad attitude | 18:31 |
| knome | like saying "don't upgrade, wireless won't work" | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | bad attitude is not CoC | 18:31 |
| knome | is it straight ban? | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | no | 18:32 |
| IdleOne | nothing is straight | 18:32 |
| knome | what would you suggest | 18:32 |
| IdleOne | ask them to keep in mind that their experience is not the only one, mileage varies | 18:32 |
| knome | but if the continue with the attitude? | 18:33 |
| knome | *they | 18:33 |
| IdleOne | my computer works perfect and all my hardware. does that mean yours does also? | 18:33 |
| knome | yeah i understand that perfectly | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | remove him/her/them | 18:33 |
| IdleOne | knome: CoC says that a bad attitude is not helpful to anyone | 18:33 |
| knome | also, does it make any sens to banforward the mint users here? | 18:33 |
| knome | *sense | 18:33 |
| knome | or should all bans be banforwarded here | 18:33 |
| IdleOne | not on first offence | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | if they keep it up yes | 18:34 |
| IdleOne | it also depends on the severity of the infraction | 18:34 |
| IdleOne | common sense is a must | 18:34 |
| knome | yeah | 18:35 |
| gnomefreak | someone was banned already it seems but not sure who | 18:35 |
| gnomefreak | #x | 18:35 |
| knome | though it's quite hard to evaluate the severity, since i'm only sporadically hanging around @#ubuntu, and it's normally really quiet in #xubuntu so small things feel bigger | 18:36 |
| knome | how could i see the banlist again? :P | 18:38 |
| knome | HA | 18:38 |
| knome | other way around ;) | 18:38 |
| * gnomefreak hangs out in >30 channels so its hard for me to see all of them at one time but #u +1 #k #x -ops -mozillateam and the ones i pretty much look at most | 18:38 | |
| IdleOne | knome: well for me, any racial slur is a ban. swearing gets a warning !language, same with attitude. Pointing the user to the !guidelines will usually get them to stop also the !coc | 18:39 |
| IdleOne | but with swearing it also depends, did they drop the F bomb in a moment of frustration with the issue or did they just insult your mother and it had nothing to do with the issue? | 18:40 |
| knome | IdleOne, yeah, i'll try to keep !guidelines in my mind. probably better than always starting a debate (since that's what people start to do - justify their behavior) | 18:40 |
| IdleOne | there is no debating the swearing rule | 18:41 |
| IdleOne | it is not tolerated | 18:41 |
| knome | yeah, but debating any rule | 18:41 |
| knome | or debating whether they think it was a violation or not :P | 18:41 |
| IdleOne | yeah, I see the guidelines/rules as definitive. There is no debating them, even those I don't agree with | 18:42 |
| knome | exactly. | 18:42 |
| knome | and that's clearly not only that single ops' opinion | 18:42 |
| knome | it has more into it | 18:42 |
| gnomefreak | no i agree with it as well | 18:42 |
| IdleOne | debating the rules is fine, just not in the support channel | 18:43 |
| knome | IdleOne, so in #ubuntu-ops then? :) | 18:43 |
| IdleOne | if they want to discuss them ask them to come here or #ubuntu-irc | 18:44 |
| knome | okay | 18:44 |
| knome | so #ubuntu-irc is for... which channels? | 18:44 |
| IdleOne | but even then the debate isn't about changing the rule to accomadate them but more to make them understand that they are what they are | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | sometimes all it takes is a kick and they behave, too | 18:44 |
| knome | yeah, sure | 18:44 |
| IdleOne | -ops is for the core channels | 18:44 |
| gnomefreak | and IMHO racial slurs and such should get the user banned from all of our channels that he/she is in | 18:45 |
| gnomefreak | but hey thats just me | 18:45 |
| IdleOne | gnomefreak: agreed but we don't do that :/ | 18:45 |
| gnomefreak | i know | 18:45 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yeah, but if that user is a troll, you're probably only feeding the user more | 18:45 |
| IdleOne | identifying a troll is a skill and gets easier with time. you will learn soon enogh when to just kick and when to ban | 18:46 |
| * gnomefreak off to cook | 18:46 | |
| knome | seems like it really is a bigger problem that users just jump into the next channel to continue | 18:46 |
| knome | some of them have even ended up in #xubuntu ... | 18:46 |
| IdleOne | I might be wrong but I do let the behavior in one channel effect my decisions in another channel. | 18:47 |
| IdleOne | If I see that the user was being a troll in one channel and then see them start in another I will take care of it. even though sometimes it seems preemptive | 18:48 |
| knome | okay, bbl | 18:54 |
| knome | have a nice evening :) | 18:54 |
| IdleOne | you too | 18:54 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, rooks said: !grip is <reply>Someone offered you a grip. Please get it. | 19:04 |
| IdleOne | yeah, not gonna happen | 19:04 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, xy said: foo is bar | 20:01 |
| * mneptok is having "no sound" issues in both Lucid and Maverick. | 20:19 | |
| mneptok | i'm dowloading the Debian LiveCD. if this turns out to be a Pulseaudio issue, i'm gonna freak. | 20:20 |
| jrib | mneptok: you're logging in through gdm? | 20:20 |
| mneptok | yup | 20:22 |
| mneptok | of course, you can't purge PA because ubuntu-desktop depends on it. | 20:27 |
| mneptok | WTF are people smoking? | 20:27 |
| mneptok | if Debian works on this machine, and Hardy, i think i'm done with Ubuntu. this is just ridiculous. | 20:27 |
| Tm_T | mneptok: you should use Kubuntu | 20:28 |
| jrib | mneptok: ah, when I first moved to linux I had sound issues because something happens with gdm that doesn't happen if I just type startx, I ended up just adding my user to the audio group to workaround it | 20:28 |
| jrib | s/linux/lucid | 20:28 |
| mneptok | Tm_T: PA is not present in KDE? | 20:29 |
| Tm_T | mneptok: it can be used but it's not necessary and thus not dependency | 20:31 |
| mneptok | well, not an option here | 20:31 |
| mneptok | unless you're volunteering to teach my 76 year old foather to use an entirely new DE | 20:31 |
| jpds | mneptok: entirely new German? | 20:35 |
| Tm_T | mneptok: true that | 20:35 |
| mneptok | building a half-baked sound architecture into an LTS release and making the entire desktop depend upon it is insane. | 20:37 |
| ubottu | hsr called the ops in #ubuntu () | 20:40 |
| bazhang | thank goodness | 22:08 |
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