[04:02] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (accegeranty appears to be abusive - 5) [04:03] heh [04:09] bazhang: is [CH0S3N] (~chosen@96-40-151-113.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) ban evading? [04:09] or was that ban removed? [04:09] IdleOne, will check bt [04:09] bt doesn't say it was removed [08:51] ilovefairuz called the ops in #ubuntu () [09:58] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mr-poison appears to be abusive - 4) [12:11] Wazooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [12:11] utter idiot [12:11] Nah, that's an insult to idiots. [12:11] why freenode let him persist I don't know [12:14] at least they have dumped his cloak again now, maybe we can keep an eye on him trying to get past the bans again [12:15] maybe the freenode ops do not like the bacta (http://www.bacta.org.uk/), and want to spoil their reputation [12:15] * knome hides [12:23] what'd he do this time? [12:35] marienz, baiting as per above [12:35] and no idea what else, but there will have been an else somewhere [13:05] being a mild jerk in #mysql [14:01] In #ubuntu-server, RoyK said: ubottu: nis is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service [15:40] charlie-tca, iirc, this wasn't the first negative comment from ridin [15:40] I see. I will go hide again. I am in the kernel triage summit class now [15:40] hf [17:04] I hate people who think you have to use ubuntu server to actual make services be "served" [17:04] they just don't know [17:05] not to blame really. [17:05] actually it is [17:05] hehe ok it is [17:05] I was trying to be nice [17:05] to just install things blind is your own fault [17:06] I usually keep one eye open when installing stuffs [17:06] a little bit of research oesn't hurt [17:06] doesn't [17:07] some people are scard of google [17:07] was a guy last night who wanted to install an ircd to test his java irc client. so he did. then asked how do i run it? [17:07] he asked if there was a GUI ircd [17:07] I wanted to fall out my chair [17:27] so you do have a sense of humor :) [17:28] good to know [18:27] hey guys [18:27] what's the general policy with mint users? [18:29] do you mean do we support it? [18:29] we don't [18:30] we refer to !mintsupport [18:30] do we kick users with mint out? [18:30] or can they stay [18:30] kick them? they can stay but #ubuntu doesn't support mint because it is not ubuntu [18:30] so if they keep on asking for support, then ban? [18:30] if they insist on asking offtopic questions and ignore request not to then I suppose you can kick them [18:31] (again, i'm mostly talking about #xubuntu where i'm op) [18:31] same thing [18:31] one more question [18:31] knome: depends on channel policy but yeah [18:31] what about bad attitude [18:31] like saying "don't upgrade, wireless won't work" [18:31] bad attitude is not CoC [18:31] is it straight ban? [18:32] no [18:32] nothing is straight [18:32] what would you suggest [18:32] ask them to keep in mind that their experience is not the only one, mileage varies [18:33] but if the continue with the attitude? [18:33] *they [18:33] my computer works perfect and all my hardware. does that mean yours does also? [18:33] yeah i understand that perfectly [18:33] remove him/her/them [18:33] knome: CoC says that a bad attitude is not helpful to anyone [18:33] also, does it make any sens to banforward the mint users here? [18:33] *sense [18:33] or should all bans be banforwarded here [18:33] not on first offence [18:34] if they keep it up yes [18:34] it also depends on the severity of the infraction [18:34] common sense is a must [18:35] yeah [18:35] someone was banned already it seems but not sure who [18:35] #x [18:36] though it's quite hard to evaluate the severity, since i'm only sporadically hanging around @#ubuntu, and it's normally really quiet in #xubuntu so small things feel bigger [18:38] how could i see the banlist again? :P [18:38] HA [18:38] other way around ;) [18:38] * gnomefreak hangs out in >30 channels so its hard for me to see all of them at one time but #u +1 #k #x -ops -mozillateam and the ones i pretty much look at most [18:39] knome: well for me, any racial slur is a ban. swearing gets a warning !language, same with attitude. Pointing the user to the !guidelines will usually get them to stop also the !coc [18:40] but with swearing it also depends, did they drop the F bomb in a moment of frustration with the issue or did they just insult your mother and it had nothing to do with the issue? [18:40] IdleOne, yeah, i'll try to keep !guidelines in my mind. probably better than always starting a debate (since that's what people start to do - justify their behavior) [18:41] there is no debating the swearing rule [18:41] it is not tolerated [18:41] yeah, but debating any rule [18:41] or debating whether they think it was a violation or not :P [18:42] yeah, I see the guidelines/rules as definitive. There is no debating them, even those I don't agree with [18:42] exactly. [18:42] and that's clearly not only that single ops' opinion [18:42] it has more into it [18:42] no i agree with it as well [18:43] debating the rules is fine, just not in the support channel [18:43] IdleOne, so in #ubuntu-ops then? :) [18:44] if they want to discuss them ask them to come here or #ubuntu-irc [18:44] okay [18:44] so #ubuntu-irc is for... which channels? [18:44] but even then the debate isn't about changing the rule to accomadate them but more to make them understand that they are what they are [18:44] sometimes all it takes is a kick and they behave, too [18:44] yeah, sure [18:44] -ops is for the core channels [18:45] and IMHO racial slurs and such should get the user banned from all of our channels that he/she is in [18:45] but hey thats just me [18:45] gnomefreak: agreed but we don't do that :/ [18:45] i know [18:45] charlie-tca, yeah, but if that user is a troll, you're probably only feeding the user more [18:46] identifying a troll is a skill and gets easier with time. you will learn soon enogh when to just kick and when to ban [18:46] * gnomefreak off to cook [18:46] seems like it really is a bigger problem that users just jump into the next channel to continue [18:46] some of them have even ended up in #xubuntu ... [18:47] I might be wrong but I do let the behavior in one channel effect my decisions in another channel. [18:48] If I see that the user was being a troll in one channel and then see them start in another I will take care of it. even though sometimes it seems preemptive [18:54] okay, bbl [18:54] have a nice evening :) [18:54] you too [19:04] In ubottu, rooks said: !grip is Someone offered you a grip. Please get it. [19:04] yeah, not gonna happen [20:01] In ubottu, xy said: foo is bar [20:19] * mneptok is having "no sound" issues in both Lucid and Maverick. [20:20] i'm dowloading the Debian LiveCD. if this turns out to be a Pulseaudio issue, i'm gonna freak. [20:20] mneptok: you're logging in through gdm? [20:22] yup [20:27] of course, you can't purge PA because ubuntu-desktop depends on it. [20:27] WTF are people smoking? [20:27] if Debian works on this machine, and Hardy, i think i'm done with Ubuntu. this is just ridiculous. [20:28] mneptok: you should use Kubuntu [20:28] mneptok: ah, when I first moved to linux I had sound issues because something happens with gdm that doesn't happen if I just type startx, I ended up just adding my user to the audio group to workaround it [20:28] s/linux/lucid [20:29] Tm_T: PA is not present in KDE? [20:31] mneptok: it can be used but it's not necessary and thus not dependency [20:31] well, not an option here [20:31] unless you're volunteering to teach my 76 year old foather to use an entirely new DE [20:35] mneptok: entirely new German? [20:35] mneptok: true that [20:37] building a half-baked sound architecture into an LTS release and making the entire desktop depend upon it is insane. [20:40] hsr called the ops in #ubuntu () [22:08] thank goodness === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth