[04:03] <bazhang> heh
[04:09] <IdleOne> bazhang: is [CH0S3N] (~chosen@96-40-151-113.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) ban evading?
[04:09] <IdleOne> or was that ban removed?
[04:09] <bazhang> IdleOne, will check bt
[04:09] <IdleOne> bt doesn't say it was removed
[12:11] <Bacta> Wazooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:11] <ikonia> utter idiot
[12:11] <elky> Nah, that's an insult to idiots.
[12:11] <ikonia> why freenode let him persist I don't know
[12:14] <ikonia> at least they have dumped his cloak again now, maybe we can keep an eye on him trying to get past the bans again
[12:15] <knome> maybe the freenode ops do not like the bacta (http://www.bacta.org.uk/), and want to spoil their reputation
[12:15]  * knome hides
[12:23] <marienz> what'd he do this time?
[12:35] <elky> marienz, baiting as per above
[12:35] <elky> and no idea what else, but there will have been an else somewhere
[13:05] <ikonia> being a mild jerk in #mysql
[15:40] <knome> charlie-tca, iirc, this wasn't the first negative comment from ridin
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I see. I will go hide again. I am in the kernel triage summit class now
[15:40] <knome> hf
[17:04] <ikonia> I hate people who think you have to use ubuntu server to actual make services be "served"
[17:04] <IdleOne> they just don't know
[17:05] <IdleOne> not to blame really.
[17:05] <ikonia> actually it is
[17:05] <IdleOne> hehe ok it is
[17:05] <IdleOne> I was trying to be nice
[17:05] <ikonia> to just install things blind is your own fault
[17:06] <IdleOne> I usually keep one eye open when installing stuffs
[17:06] <ikonia> a little bit of research oesn't hurt
[17:06] <ikonia> doesn't
[17:07] <gnomefreak> some people are scard of google
[17:07] <IdleOne> was a guy last night who wanted to install an ircd to test his java irc client. so he did. then asked how do i run it?
[17:07] <IdleOne> he asked if there was a GUI ircd
[17:07] <IdleOne> I wanted to fall out my chair
[17:27] <IdleOne> so you do have a sense of humor :)
[17:28] <IdleOne> good to know
[18:27] <knome> hey guys
[18:27] <knome> what's the general policy with mint users?
[18:29] <gnomefreak> do you mean do we support it?
[18:29] <IdleOne> we don't
[18:30] <IdleOne> we refer to !mintsupport
[18:30] <knome> do we kick users with mint out?
[18:30] <knome> or can they stay
[18:30] <IdleOne> kick them? they can stay but #ubuntu doesn't support mint because it is not ubuntu
[18:30] <knome> so if they keep on asking for support, then ban?
[18:30] <IdleOne> if they insist on asking offtopic questions and ignore request not to then I suppose you can kick them
[18:31] <knome> (again, i'm mostly talking about #xubuntu where i'm op)
[18:31] <gnomefreak> same thing
[18:31] <knome> one more question
[18:31] <IdleOne> knome: depends on channel policy but yeah
[18:31] <knome> what about bad attitude
[18:31] <knome> like saying "don't upgrade, wireless won't work"
[18:31] <IdleOne> bad attitude is not CoC
[18:31] <knome> is it straight ban?
[18:32] <IdleOne> no
[18:32] <IdleOne> nothing is straight
[18:32] <knome> what would you suggest
[18:32] <IdleOne> ask them to keep in mind that their experience is not the only one, mileage varies
[18:33] <knome> but if the continue with the attitude?
[18:33] <knome> *they
[18:33] <IdleOne> my computer works perfect and all my hardware. does that mean yours does also?
[18:33] <knome> yeah i understand that perfectly
[18:33] <gnomefreak> remove him/her/them
[18:33] <IdleOne> knome: CoC says that a bad attitude is not helpful to anyone
[18:33] <knome> also, does it make any sens to banforward the mint users here?
[18:33] <knome> *sense
[18:33] <knome> or should all bans be banforwarded here
[18:33] <IdleOne> not on first offence
[18:34] <gnomefreak> if they keep it up yes
[18:34] <IdleOne> it also depends on the severity of the infraction
[18:34] <IdleOne> common sense is a must
[18:35] <knome> yeah
[18:35] <gnomefreak> someone was banned already it seems but not sure who
[18:35] <gnomefreak> #x
[18:36] <knome> though it's quite hard to evaluate the severity, since i'm only sporadically hanging around @#ubuntu, and it's normally really quiet in #xubuntu so small things feel bigger
[18:38] <knome> how could i see the banlist again? :P
[18:38] <knome> HA
[18:38] <knome> other way around ;)
[18:38]  * gnomefreak hangs out in >30 channels so its hard for me to see all of them at one time but #u +1 #k #x -ops -mozillateam  and the ones i pretty much look at most
[18:39] <IdleOne> knome: well for me, any racial slur is a ban. swearing gets a warning !language, same with attitude. Pointing the user to the !guidelines will usually get them to stop also the !coc
[18:40] <IdleOne> but with swearing it also depends, did they drop the F bomb in a moment of frustration with the issue or did they just insult your mother and it had nothing to do with the issue?
[18:40] <knome> IdleOne, yeah, i'll try to keep !guidelines in my mind. probably better than always starting a debate (since that's what people start to do - justify their behavior)
[18:41] <IdleOne> there is no debating the swearing rule
[18:41] <IdleOne> it is not tolerated
[18:41] <knome> yeah, but debating any rule
[18:41] <knome> or debating whether they think it was a violation or not :P
[18:42] <IdleOne> yeah, I see the guidelines/rules as definitive. There is no debating them, even those I don't agree with
[18:42] <knome> exactly.
[18:42] <knome> and that's clearly not only that single ops' opinion
[18:42] <knome> it has more into it
[18:42] <gnomefreak> no i agree with it as well
[18:43] <IdleOne> debating the rules is fine, just not in the support channel
[18:43] <knome> IdleOne, so in #ubuntu-ops then? :)
[18:44] <IdleOne> if they want to discuss them ask them to come here or #ubuntu-irc
[18:44] <knome> okay
[18:44] <knome> so #ubuntu-irc is for... which channels?
[18:44] <IdleOne> but even then the debate isn't about changing the rule to accomadate them but more to make them understand that they are what they are
[18:44] <charlie-tca> sometimes all it takes is a kick and they behave, too
[18:44] <knome> yeah, sure
[18:44] <IdleOne> -ops is for the core channels
[18:45] <gnomefreak> and IMHO racial slurs and such should get the user banned from all of our channels that he/she is in
[18:45] <gnomefreak> but hey thats just me
[18:45] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: agreed but we don't do that :/
[18:45] <gnomefreak> i know
[18:45] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, but if that user is a troll, you're probably only feeding the user more
[18:46] <IdleOne> identifying a troll is a skill and gets easier with time. you will learn soon enogh when to just kick and when to ban
[18:46]  * gnomefreak off to cook
[18:46] <knome> seems like it really is a bigger problem that users just jump into the next channel to continue
[18:46] <knome> some of them have even ended up in #xubuntu ...
[18:47] <IdleOne> I might be wrong but I do let the behavior in one channel effect my decisions in another channel.
[18:48] <IdleOne> If I see that the user was being a troll in one channel and then see them start in another I will take care of it. even though sometimes it seems preemptive
[18:54] <knome> okay, bbl
[18:54] <knome> have a nice evening :)
[18:54] <IdleOne> you too
[19:04] <IdleOne> yeah, not gonna happen
[20:19]  * mneptok is having "no sound" issues in both Lucid and Maverick.
[20:20] <mneptok> i'm dowloading the Debian LiveCD. if this turns out to be a Pulseaudio issue, i'm gonna freak.
[20:20] <jrib> mneptok: you're logging in through gdm?
[20:22] <mneptok> yup
[20:27] <mneptok> of course, you can't purge PA because ubuntu-desktop depends on it.
[20:27] <mneptok> WTF are people smoking?
[20:27] <mneptok> if Debian works on this machine, and Hardy, i think i'm done with Ubuntu. this is just ridiculous.
[20:28] <Tm_T> mneptok: you should use Kubuntu
[20:28] <jrib> mneptok: ah, when I first moved to linux I had sound issues because something happens with gdm that doesn't happen if I just type startx, I ended up just adding my user to the audio group to workaround it
[20:28] <jrib> s/linux/lucid
[20:29] <mneptok> Tm_T: PA is not present in KDE?
[20:31] <Tm_T> mneptok: it can be used but it's not necessary and thus not dependency
[20:31] <mneptok> well, not an option here
[20:31] <mneptok> unless you're volunteering to teach my 76 year old foather to use an entirely new DE
[20:35] <jpds> mneptok: entirely new German?
[20:35] <Tm_T> mneptok: true that
[20:37] <mneptok> building a half-baked sound architecture into an LTS release and making the entire desktop depend upon it is insane.
[22:08] <bazhang> thank goodness