[00:00] I'm feeling like it' near time for the OMG release. [00:03] I dunno about anyone else, but It's going to be over Christmas break that I can code PyGTK at the earliest. [00:04] Not sure where April is, but I'm guessing she's bee busy with other things and hasn't left. [00:04] Once we get a good handful of devs, we can really get the party started. [00:04] Thoughts, Omega? [00:05] Yeah. [00:05] It's a good time. [00:05] We got some stuff in place [00:05] So it's not liek they won't have anything to do. [00:06] Yeah, now we've got vague plans for the coders, a beta/alpha pagelist, and a goog number of pages. [00:12] Omega, can you think of any last edits to the submission Etherpad? [00:13] Let's look at it again [00:13] http://openetherpad.org/mb6199EFXu [00:14] Say something like that it's an interactive walkthrough [00:15] As in instead of "interactive tour"? [00:16] Yeah [00:16] Or [00:16] wait [00:16] no [00:16] Inteactive tour is fine [00:30] Omega: sorry if you're busy, but is that a final stamp of approval? ;D [00:30] Mhm [00:30] It is fine :) [00:31] Wheee! [00:57] :> [07:51] a lot of new people have joined the team :) that's nice [09:12] Hello, this is Akshar [09:14] Hello everyone [09:14] Hi [09:15] just saw the article on omgubuntu [09:15] me too [09:15] ubuntu tour project needs your help [09:16] any idea of how you are going to contribute? [09:17] I'll need to see what is actually happening first [09:20] Hi everyone [09:20] our initial project notes are here: http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75?| [09:20] are there plans to have that on the ubuntutour website [09:20] we're currently working on the flow of the tour, writing pages based on the topics posted on that pad [09:21] laurent_ yes. we're updating as we go. we're kinda really new :) [09:22] I realise this is new. [09:23] hi [09:23] so far, there's only two of us working on the content — Muscovy and myself [09:24] I know some python, 4 years [09:24] giselher: excellent! :) [09:24] but not I am more of wxPython programmer and not so into PyGTO [09:24] PyGTK* [09:24] not- [09:25] and my english skills are not so good :( [09:25] I'm not really a programmer [09:25] thats alright ;) i'm not a native english speaker myself :) [09:25] But I'm a native english speaker [09:25] and I have time on my hands for the next few hours and days [09:26] laurent_: :) cool. maybe you can help us out with preparing the topics? [09:26] aprlig: I tried PyGTK and know it a little bit, I can look into it further, should not be too hard [09:26] Sure. I'm busy reading the pad at the moment [09:27] giselher: ok :) we'd appreciate any contribution :) [09:27] team is growing. [09:27] * aprilg excited [09:28] Well the open source broadcom drivers are going to help :D Less wireless problems hopefully [09:28] the pages we've created are all here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick. feel free to add or edit stuff :) [09:28] aprilg: I looked at the pad and you can do everything in python with subprocess.Popen, that is going to be easy :) [09:29] giselher: that's good to hear :D [09:29] the only problem is I don't use ubuntu myself, I only recommend it to newcomers [09:30] and I like to see ubuntu advance even more [09:30] the experimental bzr, will this only work on maverick? I'm still on lucid though I have alpha 3 on CD [09:31] laurent_: we're using maverick as the base for all content as of right now. i'm using maverick beta on a virtual machine :) [09:31] I have access to a mav at the moment [09:31] my brother is at my house with it on his laptop [09:31] he is master5o2 [09:31] 5o1* [09:32] giselher: i'm also not very well-versed in Ubuntu. i'm just a casual user [09:32] oh ok :) [09:32] :) but i've been loving the OS so far, so i really wanna get the word out and get more people to try it [09:32] me too [09:32] brb [09:33] brb [09:34] is there someone who knows python? [09:34] else* [09:35] I know very very basic python [09:35] as does my brother [09:36] he does computer science though [09:36] where as I don't [09:36] and which frameworks did you use? or only standard library? [09:38] as for me, I used PyGame (SDL) and wxPython [09:42] Am I correct that the entire bazaar branch currently consists of text files? [09:44] laurent_: yes [09:45] :) no one has started on any actual coding yet [09:45] what [09:45] So basically you want us to draft out content / ideas? [09:45] Also who is currently the project leader? [09:47] With the new ubiquity installer tours there is large potential for overlap in this tour too [09:48] project leader is Omega / Timothy Kross [09:48] also, Alex Lancey/ Muscovy [09:49] laurent_: and yes, we're still drafting the content right now [09:49] It seems to me currently like an awful lot for a new user to read [09:49] we need authors. there's only two of us working on the topics right now, and i don't do this full time :) [09:49] I would imagine something more interactive [09:50] well yes, it should be :) the content, i believe, is simply just the framework that dictates the flow of hte tutorial [09:50] like, which things to introduce first and how to go about introducing those things. [09:50] i.e "step one... Launch an application" ... the applications menu starts flashing... on completion the notifications present a success story [09:50] could use the trophy project sief lofty mentioned on omgubuntu to measure the progress of the tour [09:51] how do I clone the baazar repo (never used bzr) [09:51] on launchpad or just download it? [09:52] laurent_ , giselher, everyone.. i hafta go out for a few hours :) sorry i can't stay longer. hafta take my kid to the zoo :D [09:52] first register your username with bzr if you haven't [09:52] then bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour [09:52] i'll be back later :D [09:52] it will download it to ubuntu-tour in your home folder [09:52] I'm not very well versed in bzr though [09:57] is it working for you giselher? [09:57] hi [09:57] hello [09:57] yes === itp_ is now known as teplikov [10:32] I'm having trouble pushing my branch [10:32] this is what I am doing [10:32] laurent@ursus:~/ubuntu-tour$ bzr commit -m "begin openoffice tour" [10:32] Committing to: /home/laurent/ubuntu-tour/ [10:32] added openoffice.org [10:32] added openoffice.org/0_what it can do_how to launch it [10:32] added openoffice.org/1_tutorial [10:32] added openoffice.org/2_format compatibility [10:32] Committed revision 17. [10:32] laurent@ursus:~/ubuntu-tour$ bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour [10:32] Permission denied (publickey). [10:32] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [10:45] I didn't have the same ssh key as the last time i used bazaar, problem solved === jay is now known as Guest38875 [11:05] hey guys [11:06] i'm willing to be a translator, it will be announced in the mailing list when translator will be needed? [11:08] Ddorda yep. We'll send out an email for any updates :) [11:11] halo [11:11] hello* [11:15] aprilg: awesome. thanks [11:22] I'm writing a section for shotwell [11:23] hi random03 :) sounds good :) [11:23] thanks [11:24] on the public pad i wrote what i would write for it.. [11:25] take a look ;) [11:26] random03, looks good to me :) [11:27] :) [11:50] there are 3 ways to add photos in shotwell, in your opinion, which one must go first? drag-and-drop, plug-in camera or file menu->import from folder? [11:51] I've just added a rather terrible mock-up to the bazaar branch on my idea of how to stimulate a hint to the user during the tutorial, not sure if it's possible in GTK, but I think it's probably the best way [11:52] How did you use it first? [11:52] I've always used the import method first as I am usually transferring over my 10GB photo collection and addding the files [11:52] I never use drag and drop [11:52] only camera and import [11:52] I've always used import too [11:54] laurent_: it would be easier to show an image inside the gtk frame [11:55] I realise this, but it would feel more interactive if it looked like the actual os was involved in providing the tour [11:55] laurent_: I could try to open an frameless window below with an arrow pointing to the menu [11:56] borderless* [11:56] I think I'll choose camera first :) thanks to all [11:57] btw: GPLv2 or GPLv3? [11:57] I suppose the easier methods would be quicker and more effective, but I also imagine something that looks really nice, my skills are no where good enough to dictate the actual method though [11:58] I think it's gpl3 [11:59] sorry I'm trying to find where it said v3 [12:01] Licenses: [12:01] GNU GPL v3 [12:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour [12:05] I start writing some code, I'd like to make this modular to add now tour parts on the fly [12:07] can you make it pull from the .txt chapters we're writing in some way? [12:07] Even if we have to change the formatting of them and use them as config files [12:15] about-ubuntu 3 under sound and video has a sentence "Software.... are listed here". I'm not sure this is proper grammar. Software is singular. [12:19] laurent_: ok, but which formatting should I implement? Markdown? [12:20] Sounds good to me [12:23] laurnet_: I will try that I have something usable by tomorrow :) [12:24] I am alexander-preisinger on launchpad and my email is alexander dot preisinger at gmail dot com [12:24] byo [12:34] laurent_ just saw that software … are thing you pointed out. i'll make edits and upload them as soon as i can. thanks for pointing that out! [12:36] I have to go, I'll continue my work later :) [12:36] translator to spanish here! [12:37] I've just committed quite a few spelling fixes [12:37] see you later [12:38] anyone translating into German? [12:41] I speak german [12:43] I started coding an little bit today: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-16.png [12:43] I propose a rhythmbox section. [12:44] This should cover codecs and the ubuntuone music store [12:44] In python and pygtk [12:44] also is there a specific section devoted to ubuntu one? [12:44] laurent_: there should be a section on ubuntu one [12:45] we're sticking to the really basic stuff for now though [12:46] Are there some images yet? [12:48] Silasle no, not yet [12:49] Ok [12:49] Should i upload my code somewhere? [12:49] If i understood it right there is no code created yet? [12:51] Silasle yes [12:51] the code is over at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick [12:52] But that's just the text? [12:53] Silasle use bazaar and perhaps add a code directory [12:53] gisheler was in here earlier and he seems to have made some code too [12:53] Ah, there is some more code [12:54] Has he uploaded it somewhere? [12:55] No I think he has gone to sleep in his timezone and will upload it when he wakes up [12:55] He is using the markdown syntax to apply the textfiles everyone else is creating [12:55] markdown syntax? [12:55] He mentioned that he would make it modular so that new chapters could be added easily [12:56] It's similar to the syntax used in wikipedia [12:56] I made that too, but i started whit the about-ubuntu [12:56] just create a directory like Silasle-code [12:56] and upload it, then other people who want to can add to yours [12:57] I don't know when they will start with multiple branches [12:57] Ok, then i'll join the team [12:57] as we seem to be all uploading to the same branch [12:58] Is this planned to be released for maverik? [12:59] Should i create my own branch or just add an code directory in the standard one? [13:00] Silasle i think the plan was, if possible, to have the initial tour ready for maverick [13:00] also about hte bzr branches, i'm not too familiar with it, maybe you can just do what you think is best for the team [13:01] :) [13:01] Then i'll add an branch, it can always be removed :P [13:02] go ahead :) oh, and welcome to the team [13:02] Thanks [13:02] that OMG Ubuntu article did wonders for this project. [13:02] membership jumped from 4 to 27 [13:02] :D [13:02] Omg!ubuntu! is big [13:03] that was really nice of them to write something up for this project :) [13:03] They write about nearly everything, i found this project there too [13:05] same here [13:07] me too [13:08] from where are u people? [13:09] Durham, England just now, but north-east Scotland usually [13:09] Sweden [13:09] temuco, south of Chile [13:10] i'm from cebu, philippines :) [13:15] Auckland, New Zealand [13:15] Salzburg, Austria [13:16] It's uploaded! https://code.launchpad.net/~silas-lenz/ubuntu-tour/code-development [13:20] cool [13:58] greetz. [13:58] anyone awake? [13:58] holler if so, I'll be checking in [13:58] I'm awake [14:07] Morning. What's the story with ubuntu-tour? Is this going to be a software-based or web-based tour? [14:09] I think software [14:14] In which order will the sections be displayed? [14:19] hi all [14:19] Hi MadnessRed [14:20] Are you still looking for programmers for the project? [14:20] I'm sure they are [14:21] kk, do you know who I should talk to about it then? [14:21] I'm interested in becoming and author for this project. What requirements do I need to have? [14:21] MadnessRed: I am programming right now, but i'm new here too. [14:22] My code is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~silas-lenz/ubuntu-tour/code-development [14:22] kvarley just pull the branch from bazaar and start writing [14:22] Thanks laurent_ :) [14:22] ok, [14:22] ty [14:22] I found the page as you sent the info hehe [14:23] kk, I downloaded it, do you have anything specific which needs doing atm? [14:24] MadnessRed: Just run it and see if something can be done better [14:24] ok [14:24] For example, the window is resizing the whole time [14:25] ok [14:25] I'm getting a lot of : IndexError: list index out of range [14:26] I'm guessing thats just because the page hasn't been written yet though [14:26] Hmm [14:26] Right at startup? [14:27] Or after clicking? [14:27] no when I select certain pages [14:27] like images for example [14:27] Yea, that's because it's not written [14:27] And image shouldn't be in that list at all! [14:28] ok [14:29] Currently pushing an fix for that, update [14:31] Hi, silasle - So, I'm not a programmer, but would be maybe willing to help out with a page for one particular project if it's as simple as writing a blog-style intro / description / tutorial. Is this something that is needed or possible? [14:32] I'm not the leader, so i don't know. [14:32] fieldse their is a bazaar branch on launchpad [14:33] currently it is mostly text files [14:33] pull from bazaar and see what you want to add [14:34] Hello everyone [14:35] laurent_, Do you know if this is accessible to the ^ above kind of input / help? [14:35] you mean the launchpad bazaar branches? [14:36] I think you just need to join ubuntu-tour-team and you get access [14:36] the project name is ubuntu-tour on launchpad [14:36] you then use bazaar to get the files and push them back in to the branch [14:36] there is http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75?| [14:37] which is a rough outline [14:37] but if you pull the bazaar branches I think you would get the picture anyway [14:37] Who is the admin here? [14:37] aprilg is the most senior person on I think [14:38] Hm, thank you...he seems to be inactive now [14:39] I want to join the UbuntuTour team, who should I talk? [14:40] just search ubuntu-tour on launchpad and join I think [14:40] or ubuntu-tour-team [14:40] laurent_, thank you [14:43] As I can see, the 'Help Translate' menu isn't allowed to access...that's what I want to do, so, what should I do now? [14:43] Welcome guys. [14:43] Hello [14:43] I'm a Project Leader :) [14:43] I don't think translations are ready till the programming is complete [14:43] Hello [14:43] No they are not. [14:43] Hi Omega [14:43] Done my first bit of contribution :) [14:44] But, if done in a different directory/branch I don't see why they wouldn't be welcome. [14:44] d* [14:44] Great work guys! [14:44] hi, sorry my internet died [14:45] Anybody see my revision? [14:45] Alright, I'm not expert with Python, but I'll try [14:45] Omega: So it was right to use another branch for my python code? [14:45] Yes, it is fine. [14:45] We can always merge anyway. [14:45] greggyrodrigo: Great! [14:45] kvarley: I'll ge check it out. [14:46] Omega: It's Drafted - 8_the-bottom-panel [14:46] Yes kvarley, your revision is uploaded. [14:46] I have to leave in a minute. [14:46] I'll be back though! [14:46] Oh and, I'll stay online, if you need me jusy highlight me. [14:46] Bye [14:47] did you get me messages before internet died? [14:47] Nope ): [14:47] If you guys need a translator (for Brazilian Portuguese), I'd be honored to help [14:47] kk, can I suggest the following changes, near line 7 [14:47] import os [14:47] os.chdir(os.path.split(repr(__file__))[0][1:]) [14:47] tours=glob.glob(os. getcwd()+"/*") [14:47] tours.remove(os. getcwd()+"/images") [14:47] print tours [14:48] MadnessRed: Use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [14:48] ok, it was only 5 lines though [14:49] What's that os.chdir good for? [14:49] it changes the current directory [14:49] To? [14:49] to the directory of the file [14:50] Which file+ [14:50] *? [14:50] the .py file [14:50] yes [14:50] if you do this in terminal, cd ~; ./Projects/code-development/ubuntu-tour.py [14:50] obviously your path is differnt [14:51] but the python-tour.py will look for its files in the home folder, not it's own folder [14:51] os.chdir() will give the directory that you are in, not the directory that the script is in [14:52] The current dir is always where you execute it. [14:52] yh [14:52] but it won't normally be executed from the folder the python file is in [14:52] it will normally be executed from the home dir [14:52] Ahh, now i understand [14:53] I have changed that now, will be uploaded soon [14:54] ok, also could we put the tour in a sepparate class in its own file, then people can work on that separately without causing conflicts with the gui people, and the gui people can have an easier class to work with [14:54] :) [14:55] Uploading the changes [14:56] and finally, could the text being in a text-view, rather than a label? labels are really only meant to be 1 line [14:56] Can you change that? [14:56] yes [14:56] Cant you upload to the branch yourself? [14:56] I don't think so, it silas is the only 1 with access [14:56] It's a private branch [14:57] I have joined the project though [14:57] Ok, then send me the changes [14:57] ok, 1 sec, [14:59] Well, cya guys. [14:59] Also, the seperate class is a good idea. [15:00] MadnessRed: What do you mean whit seperate class? [15:01] That chdir gave us some problems [15:01] I mean, if we were to create a class called tour, for example, and all the functions relation to the tour could be requesed from that class, like tour.load_tour('ubuntuone'), tour.nextpage() [15:02] Ok, I already thought about that [15:02] if we put all that in a file called tour.pt [15:02] .py# [15:02] then we could simple import that [15:02] And it'll be easier to maintain too. [15:02] Yep [15:03] But back to the os.chdir problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/492171/ [15:06] I think i have found what is causing your window to keep resizing too, 1 sec [15:12] I have got it to use textbuffer now [15:12] *textview [15:14] But that looks.. an bit strange [15:17] hi, can I change it to use box's rather than tables [15:18] it's just tables are hard to make work [15:18] Sure. [15:19] ok, I'll send you the code in a bit [15:19] it should stop the window from resizing too [15:19] Fine [15:19] I'll do that tour.py now [15:19] hi [15:20] Hi miloBing [15:20] Hi Silasle [15:25] Is this the place for the Ubuntu Tour Project? [15:25] Yes [15:27] I am new to this project.. but I like to help... [15:30] ok, nearly done with the box's interface, [15:30] miloBing: This is what you can do: http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/ [15:31] Has any of the python code been added to the main branch yet? [15:31] laurent_: No, everything in my branch [15:31] Will you wait on omega to merge? [15:32] I think so [15:33] I dont know what gisheler has done [15:33] I think he was focusing on the backend more than the GUI [15:34] He's been doing python for 4 years though, so I assume he is fairly experienced [15:34] Ok, that backend could be usable. [15:35] I have done python for, let's see, maybe 3-4 years since hello world [15:35] * Silasle has done the change section part of tours.py [15:36] Hi, [15:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/492186/ [15:36] its just the __init__ function that has changed [15:37] I forgot to add the destroy part [15:37] I just tried the ubuntu-tour.py and I got an OSError on line 8 [15:37] Bravo [15:38] Guest38875: This one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/492171/ ? [15:38] you need to add the close function back though [15:38]