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[06:45] <bilalakhtar> Can anyone suggest me a few bugs that need to be SRUed so that I could work on them?
[06:50]  * micahg needs an SRU uploaded :-/
[06:53] <bilalakhtar> micahg: YOu need one uploaded, right? I need one to work on!
[06:53] <bilalakhtar> micahg: You need an SRU uploaded from the Mozilla package set?
[06:54] <micahg> bilalakhtar: yes, I can only upload to maverick and later
[06:54] <bilalakhtar> Actually, I got a patch for one thing and nominated it for lucid so that I could get it into -proposed and hence SRUed. But pitti declined it, saying 'This issue is not a large one'
[06:56] <lifeless> bilalakhtar: why do you need to work on an SRU ?
[06:56] <bilalakhtar> lifeless: a bug!
[06:56] <lifeless> bilalakhtar: I mean, its nice that you're contributing, but why an SRU in particular? SRU's are -very- costly to do in terms of time, testing, QA & risk.
[06:56] <bilalakhtar> oh, you asked why?
[06:57] <bilalakhtar> lifeless: I have applied for MOTU, and tumbleweed and ari-tczew (I don't know the spelling) have said that its difficult to become MOTU unless and unti you work on one. AND I like the SRU process, so it would be something good you're contributing to Ubuntu
[06:58] <micahg> bilalakhtar: there's not enough time between now and the next meeting to get an SRU verified and into -updates
[06:59] <bilalakhtar> micahg: Atleast you could get it into -proposed!
[06:59] <micahg> bilalakhtar: right, but the true test is that is gets to -updates and Fix Releases w/out regressions
[06:59] <bilalakhtar> micahg: of course, that's why I am searching for bugs that can be patched cleanly
[07:00] <lifeless> bilalakhtar: well, FWIW, I'm MOTU, but I wouldn't personally look for 'has done an SRU' as a particularly important metric for being a MOTU.
[07:00] <lifeless> consistent and accurate work on packages, knowing when out of depth, working well with the group : those are the things I'd look for.
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> I could point out that I have seen 2 bugs getting SRUed from the beginning
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> so I know thw workflow
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> AND
[07:01] <bilalakhtar> the importance of preventing regressiions
[07:01]  * bilalakhtar hates his keyboard
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[07:36] <bilalakhtar> Whoa! No updates overnight in maverick!
[07:36] <bilalakhtar> everyone is enjoying the weekend
[07:36]  * micahg will probably upload something a little later
[07:41] <Laibsch> Hi
[07:41] <Laibsch> I'm in the process of taking over maintainership of isdnutils
[07:41] <Laibsch> I looked at the Ubuntu package and especially the patches
[07:42] <Laibsch> I don't quite understand what's the use of the script of many of the patches in the form of http://patches.ubuntu.com/i/isdnutils/extracted/template.dpatch
[07:42] <Laibsch> for example http://patches.ubuntu.com/i/isdnutils/extracted/vboxplay-bashisms.dpatch and http://patches.ubuntu.com/i/isdnutils/extracted/ppp-2.4.4b1.dpatch
[07:42] <Laibsch> seems like a waste of space
[07:43] <micahg> Laibsch: convert to quilt and or src format 3 :)
[07:43] <Laibsch> I usually do
[07:43] <bilalakhtar> Laibsch: use 3.0 (quilt) format, that'll help you
[07:43] <bilalakhtar> micahg: :)
[07:43] <Laibsch> I just wonder why those things were ever there in the first place
[07:44] <micahg> Laibsch: make dpatch more polite maybe?
[07:44] <Laibsch> Debian package already does use DebSrc3.0
[07:44]  * bilalakhtar hates dpatch, just because its patches are too cumbersome
[07:44] <Laibsch> polite?
[07:45] <Laibsch> anyway seems like it should be safe to ignore that script-in-patch
[07:45] <micahg> Laibsch: fail more gracefully
[07:45] <Laibsch> aha
[07:45] <bilalakhtar> Laibsch: You're free to drop Ubuntu changes if they are no longer needed, or are unnecessary
[07:45] <Laibsch> not my concern I think
[07:45] <Laibsch> bilalakhtar: I know about that
[07:45] <Laibsch> thanks
[07:45] <micahg> Laibsch: are you taking over in Debian?
[07:45] <Laibsch> isdnutils will need a LOT of TLC first
[07:45] <Laibsch> of course
[07:45] <Laibsch> micahg: ^^^
[07:45] <micahg> that'll be good, we've been ahead of Debian since hardy :-/
[07:46] <Laibsch> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=foss@rolf.leggewie.biz
[07:46] <Laibsch> one of the last entries
[07:46]  * bilalakhtar wishes he could maintain a package in Debian, he has 6 ITPs pending
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[07:46] <Laibsch> yes, I always make it a priority to go back to syncing instead of merging
[07:46]  * micahg was going to co-maintain something, but the main updater beat me to to update
[07:46] <Laibsch> but isdnutils will be a tough nut to crack
[07:46] <Laibsch> maybe not tough
[07:46] <micahg> Laibsch: you're a brave soul
[07:47] <Laibsch> but a lot of little things to fix
[07:47] <Laibsch> maybe I'm just stupid enough ;-)
[07:47] <Laibsch> I hardly even use the package ;-)
[07:47] <Laibsch> But I believe in small changes
[07:47] <Laibsch> and release early and often
[07:47] <bilalakhtar> RoAkSoAx: What's the matter with your connection?
[07:47] <Laibsch> as long as I can improve things a little
[07:48] <bilalakhtar> RoAkSoAx: Would like to remind you about bug #547267
[07:48] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/547267)
[07:48] <RoAkSoAx> lol idk :)
[07:48] <Laibsch> micahg: you are interested in comaintainership
[07:48] <Laibsch> ?
[07:48] <Laibsch> I was looking for a few more people
[07:49] <Laibsch> because there are certainly a number of things I don't know very well in isdn
[07:49] <bilalakhtar> micahg is the ubuntu-mozilla golden dev!
[07:49] <Laibsch> I've got one comaintainer that knows how to code, I'm more of a packaging guy
[07:49] <Laibsch> but I felt that was the bare minimum
[07:49] <Laibsch> I would not have taken over all by myself
[07:50] <Laibsch> if you'd like to join you'd be more than welcome
[07:50] <micahg> Laibsch: I'm already in over my head w/the mozilla rdepends + the packages I use on a regular basis
[07:50] <Laibsch> I asked a number of people including Paul, but they declined for various reasons
[07:50] <bilalakhtar> Laibsch: You mean Paul Wise?
[07:50] <micahg> I am trying to start working on the xul rdepends in Debian though, I just need a little time to acclimate to git
[07:51] <RoAkSoAx> bilalakthar will do had been working on other stuff.
[07:51] <micahg> Laibsch: unfortunately, also, I don't know much about isdnutils, so it would be all uphill and I can't take that on ATM
[07:51] <bilalakhtar> RoAkSoAx: No problem :) No urgency, well you spelt my nick wrong !
[07:51] <Laibsch> bilalakhtar: no, paul slootman
[07:52] <Laibsch> last Debian maintainer
[07:52] <Laibsch> of many years
[07:52] <Laibsch> micahg: I know almost nothing about isdn
[07:52] <Laibsch> the other guy does
[07:52] <RoAkSoAx> sry im from cell phone :)
[07:52] <micahg> bilalakhtar: and chrisccoulson would probably be more the ubuntu-mozilla golden dev, I'm just the helper :)
[07:53] <Laibsch> again, I'm bringing DM status and packaging know-how, the other guy the coding skills and isdn knowledge to the table
[07:53] <Laibsch> more packaging skills would certainly be good
[07:53]  * micahg goes looking for tumbleweed's grab-udd-merge script
[07:53] <Laibsch> and since you're only co-maintaining there's no immediate sole responsibility
[07:53] <Laibsch> packaging will be maintained in git-debian.org
[07:53] <bilalakhtar> micahg: Has it been completed? I don't uppose
[07:53] <bilalakhtar> *suppose
[07:53] <Laibsch> feel free to stop by even as non-maintainer
[07:54] <micahg> bilalakhtar: what?
[07:54] <bilalakhtar> micahg: grab-udd-merge
[07:54] <micahg> bilalakhtar: no, I think it's in progress
[07:55] <micahg> Laibsch: I have a passing interest in pastebinit, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of bugs for it
[08:14] <AnAnt> Hello
[08:44] <tumbleweed> micahg: found it?
[08:48] <micahg> tumbleweed: yep, thanks, the package hasn't reached experimental yet though, so I haven't tested it yet
[09:20] <micahg> tumbleweed: do you have time to sponsor an SRU?
[09:21] <tumbleweed> micahg: sure
[09:22] <micahg> bug 625801
[09:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 625801 in gnome-web-photo (Ubuntu Lucid) "gnome-web-photo missing required libxul.so" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625801
[09:49] <AlanBell> at the moment adobe-flashplugin is not available in the canonical partner archive, how do I file a bug about this?
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[09:49] <AlanBell> the problem it causes is that if you get guided to the adobe site to install flash it tries to use apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$dist-partner
[09:50] <AlanBell> apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner rather
[09:50] <micahg> AlanBell: AFAIK, there are no partner uploads yet
[09:50] <AlanBell> there are some
[09:50] <AlanBell> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/maverick/partner/binary-amd64/Packages
[09:51] <AlanBell> in fact it is there in i386
[09:51] <AlanBell> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/maverick/partner/binary-i386/Packages
[09:52] <micahg> AlanBell: idk then, seems weird, I know that sun java isn't there yet
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[12:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[12:13] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: yes
[12:15] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you give me more information about this: versionmangle strips .dfsg, but your package is +dfsg
[12:17] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: s/\.dfsg// isn't exactly what you want wen your version is 0.4.2+dfsg
[12:17] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: which file?
[12:18] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: debian/watch
[12:25] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: about README.source: has suggested by Rhonda :P
[12:27] <tumbleweed> As I said, not everything I mentioned has to be dealt with, you can disagree with me :) It's a nice readme, but I'd expect people to know quilt now that it's part of source format 3.
[12:29] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: about 0.5 version: it's unstable version
[12:30] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: aah, thanks for clearing that up
[12:30] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I'm not sure 100%, I'll ask upstream => davidsansome
[12:32] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: about copyright... it's also reviewed by Rhonda. we wanted add information about /debian* files. could you review older revisions on my branch? diff is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU/revision/7
[12:34] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: the way I understand dep5, if you want to use a licence-body multiple times, you put it in a standalone section (i.e. just License: Foo\nBody) and reference it from all the stanzas that need it
[12:34] <tumbleweed> when you have "License: Foo or Bar" you have to have two standalone sections
[12:36] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: do you mean about this: License: Qt Commercial or LGPL-2.1 or GPL-3
[12:36] <tumbleweed> yeah, also the CPL one
[12:36] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I understand, we should choice one license right?
[12:37] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: no, I'm saying if you have "Qt Commercial or LGPL-2.1" you don't follow that with the Qt body
[12:37] <tumbleweed> it doesn't matter that much, nothing is parsing DEP5 (yet?). I just think it's not technically correct.
[12:39] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: copyright file is maintained by davidsansome. but I understand, that I'm responsible for this one as uploader.
[12:39] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: btw. can I create file when I can write who created which file?
[12:39] <ari-tczew> credits file
[12:41] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I don't really untersntand?
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[12:43] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I;m not an author of all files in debian/*. I want to write somewhere credits. e.g. ari-tczew is an author of debian/rules, John Doe is an author of debian/copyright
[12:46] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: you can do that
[12:57] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: around?
[12:58] <Laney> ari-tczew: you can do that, but do you really need to? The changelog is good attribution.
[12:58] <ari-tczew> Laney: for me is not problem, just asking for developers feedback
[12:59] <ari-tczew> Laney: I thought that README.debian or something is for credits
[12:59] <Laney> if you feel you've made a substantial contribution then you can add yourself as a copyright holeder
[13:27] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: bug with g-s-d is when I copy/paste from image taken throgh print screen
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[14:33] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: your second patch isn't fixed the problem :(
[14:42] <c_korn> how could I write a debian/watch file for the release version of snowglobe? http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe
[14:42] <c_korn> the download directory does not give any information if it is a release or development version
[16:32] <RainCT> wow Launchpad is sucking badly
[16:34] <RainCT> Hey c_korn
[16:34] <RainCT> c_korn: Are you aware that there are existing packages for Snowglobe? http://apt.byteme.org.uk/
[16:35] <RainCT> c_korn: The authors of that were looking into getting it into Debian some months ago, I'm not sure why they haven't done so yet.
[16:39] <korn_> RainCT: seems they do not have a watch file at all anyway: http://git.byteme.org.uk/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=snowglobe.git;a=tree;f=trunk/debian;h=056f47cd5ce07c3671361aa8beea14e8a42a663e;hb=HEAD
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[17:00] <\sh> did I already said, that I hate "On Duty" services, even paid ones?
[17:08] <Laney> what's an 'on duty' service?
[18:08] <sebner> Laney: I guess that's end-user phone support over the weekend @home
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[19:36] <valavanisalex> Hi all, I'm struggling with a manual merge on bug #628048
[19:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 628048 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Mesa 7.9" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628048
[19:36] <valavanisalex> Can anyone help my figure out why it is giving FTBFS?
[19:37] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: manual merge? as opposed to?
[19:37] <valavanisalex> As opposed to bzr-mergepackage or MoM
[19:38] <tumbleweed> if you prefer bzr, you can bzr import-dsc the experimental dsc onto your debian branch then merge-package that
[19:38] <kklimonda> hmm.. django has some tests that depend on UTF-8 locales. Are there any locales with UTF-8 on builders and if not can I install language-pack-en-base?
[19:38] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: my guess is that /usr/share/pixmaps hasn't been created. Put it in debian/dirs
[19:38] <valavanisalex> Ah, does that work even if the debian package is maintained in git?
[19:39] <evilshadeslayer> valavanisalex: inkscape.xpm << is that file in debian/ ?
[19:39] <tumbleweed> oh, yes, do you have a debian/inkscape.xmp? :)
[19:39] <valavanisalex> yes, debian/inkscape.xpm is present
[19:40] <evilshadeslayer> oh then debian/dirs mod :D
[19:40] <valavanisalex> but /usr/share/pixmaps is not in debian dirs
[19:40] <valavanisalex> I'll try that!
[19:40] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: debian using git doesn't matter
[19:40] <valavanisalex> tumbleweed: great, thanks
[19:40] <kklimonda> or I could regenrate locales on the fly..
[19:41] <valavanisalex> weird: /usr/share/pixmaps wasn't in the old ubuntu version either, but that builds with no problems
[19:41] <evilshadeslayer> valavanisalex: loads of stuff changes
[19:41] <evilshadeslayer> could be that some other package created that dir
[19:42] <evilshadeslayer> but now it doesnt... so ...
[19:42] <valavanisalex> yeah, I guess so.  Thanks for the help.  I'll modify debian/dirs and see if it builds correctly
[19:43] <tumbleweed> no other package will create that dir, (it's actualy $(CURDIR)/debian/inkscape/usr/share/pixmaps ), but it could be created by some other part of the build
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[20:04] <micahg> tumbleweed: for sablotron, xml-resume-library has an optional recommends on sablotron, no need to remove
[20:09] <tumbleweed> micahg: yeah, but it looks like it might as well go
[20:10] <micahg> tumbleweed: oh, I see :), removed from unstable, good call
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[21:45] <OwaisL> Hey friends. I read somewhere that the Extra repo is up. What is the workflow to submit apps?
[21:48] <OwaisL> RainCT: hey, I uploaded a sane version of that package lately to REVU. Want to check out? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gmailwatcher
[22:09] <kevykev1> Hello everyone !! I am new to the team and would like to introduce myself.. My name is Kevin McKinney; I am a masters student at Carnegie Mellon University.
[22:09] <iulian> Hello Kevin.
[22:09] <kevykev1> I am a C / C++ programmer (not an expert); and I would like to start helping out anyway I can
[22:10] <kevykev1> Hi iulian
[22:10] <kevykev1> I an interested in enhancing the gnome-device-manager package
[22:11] <iulian> kevykev1: Cool.  You might be interested in joining #ubuntu-desktop.  The guys from there deal with gnome packages.
[22:11] <kevykev1> okay, i will join that channel
[22:13] <iulian> Excellent.
[22:17] <kmckinney1> Thanks iulian!! I have joined the #ubuntu-desktop channel..
[22:21] <iulian> kmckinney1: You're welcome.
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[22:52] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[22:54] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: only just
[23:52] <blackmatter> LF mentor
[23:56] <lfaraone_> What's the youngest current age of a MOTU?
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[23:57] <micahg> lfaraone: at least 17 on the way down
[23:58] <lfaraone> micahg: hm? just wondering. I'm a little bit above 17, and wondering if I'm that one.
[23:59] <micahg> lfaraone: no :), I'm thinking of nhandler