[02:25]  * micahg waves
[09:46] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> hi michag
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> oops
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg even ;)
[10:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I see you fixed a major outstanding bug (flash click)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah. well, i just applied a workaround to disable GTK client-side windows
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> it's not really a fix, but it's better than nothing :)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> and i've got lightning packaged and ready to upload :)
[10:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'm fixing up the third party apport hook and uploading beta 5 to a new PPA
[10:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ooh..that's really good news
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> i requested a FFe, but nobody has commented yet, so i'm not that hopeful we'll get it in for maverick :(
[10:10]  * micahg is interested in seeing the packaging
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll host it somewhere later. i've got to disappear again now and entertain my daughter for the day
[10:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I still have mail to catch up on, but I wanted to get the Firefox beta up
[10:11] <micahg> ttyl
[12:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you back?
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - for a few minutes. daughter is just eating her lunch
[12:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> and making a mess!
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> :)
[12:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, WRT gnome-web-photo, we should probably file another bug to move to the standalone glue
[12:11] <micahg> or if you know which upstream tracker is used, I can file a bug there
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i don't mind. but we should definately fix that
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if it has an upstream tracker ;)
[12:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, I know it's an upstream project with code at gnome, just don't know where the bugs go
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me neither
[12:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we can add it to the list for natty unless you think it should be done for maverick
[12:13] <chrisccoulson> we can probably do it for maverick, it's only a small change
[12:13]  * micahg is uploading beta 5 to ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next
[12:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'm not familiar with that change, so I guess you'd have to do it
[12:14] <micahg> I'm going to have to merge mediatomb since someone else updated it in Debian first
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't mind doing it. it should just be a case of editing LIBXUL_LIBS in m4/libxul.m4, and then rerunning autoconf
[12:14] <micahg> then I'll work on upstreaming the diff for natty
[12:14] <micahg> ah, that easy :0
[12:14] <micahg> :)
[12:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I had an epiphany over the holiday (pun intended), why don't we build abrowser on top of libxul so that it can be installed alongside firefox?
[12:15] <micahg> it also solves the omnijar issue
[12:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i was sort of thinking about making them parallel installable too, but i'm not sure whether we'd do it by using system libraries
[12:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, there's no reason not to use system libraries w/abrowser since there's no trademark issue
[12:16] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's true
[12:17] <micahg> it's a little more maintenance, but not much
[12:17] <micahg> we would need a new source (although I think debian is building both from one source now)
[12:56] <fta> BUGabundo, hey
[12:57] <BUGabundo> olá fta
[12:57] <fta> can't make sense of this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/shipment.png
[12:57] <BUGabundo> is it going around the world again?
[12:57]  * BUGabundo checks
[12:57] <BUGabundo> LOL
[12:58] <BUGabundo> you got two in traffic ?
[12:58] <fta> no idea
[12:58] <fta> would be nice though ;)
[12:59] <BUGabundo> sure
[12:59] <BUGabundo> ship one of them to me
[12:59] <BUGabundo> ill pay the ports
[13:00] <BUGabundo> not sure what I would use it for, though
[13:02] <fta> if you don't read, it's close to useless
[13:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: FYI, there might be a chemspill update for the last round of mozilla updates
[13:03] <BUGabundo> fta yeah, I don't. unless I can put my greader there LOL
[13:04] <fta> BUGabundo, there's a webkit based browser inside this thing
[13:04] <BUGabundo> nice
[13:04] <fta> i bought the wifi only version, but there's also a 3G version
[13:04] <BUGabundo> I'm telling you , If you get two, send me one
[13:04] <fta> :)
[13:04] <BUGabundo> I'll pay 66% of it
[13:11] <fta> micahg, when is jaunty EOL?
[13:11] <micahg> fta: end of october
[13:11] <fta> ok, thanks
[13:11] <fta> and hardy?
[13:12] <micahg> fta: end of april for desktop
[13:12] <fta> hm.. still a long shot
[13:13] <fta> both apparently still have ~8% market share
[13:13] <fta> each
[13:57] <fta> jdstrand_, hi, i used "Fix Committed" as it's committed in the packaging branch
[14:45] <Dimmuxx> micahg++ :)
[15:34] <era> chrisccoulson, is there any hope for 438868 in maverick?
[15:34] <era> *bug 438868
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend (affects: 124) (dups: 15) (heat: 617)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> era - we're only 4 days from final freeze, and nobody understands what the problem is
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> so i don't think there's any chance for that
[15:43] <Dimmuxx> that's one of the most annoying bugs in ubuntu
[16:04] <era> chrisccoulson, good candidate for a natty lite papercut?
[16:07] <era> oh wait
[16:07] <era> <__<
[16:35] <fta> BUGabundo, uhuh, my package just arrived in Paris
[16:35] <BUGabundo> on a Sunday?
[16:36] <fta> ROISSY, PARIS, FR	09/12/2010	5:22 P.M.	REGISTERED WITH CLEARING AGENCY / SHIPMENT SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY
[16:36] <fta> of course, that won't be cleared today
[16:37] <BUGabundo> great
[16:37] <BUGabundo> so deliver tomorrow ?
[16:38] <fta> still planed for the 14th
[16:38] <fta> amazon said at or before the 17th
[18:59] <fta> jdstrand_, was your test with the trailer in webm or flash?
[19:06] <BUGabundo> fta will we get google instant in chromium?
[19:06] <BUGabundo> or flag only?
[19:07] <fta> eh?
[19:08] <fta> what do you mean?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> you know
[19:08] <fta> it works out of the box
[19:08] <BUGabundo> google instant search
[19:08] <BUGabundo> in omnibar
[19:08] <fta> oh, is there such a thing?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> yes
[19:08] <BUGabundo> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28671/how-to-enable-google-instant-search-in-google-chrome/
[19:15] <fta> well, you can add that to your /etc/chromium-browser/default file, but as it's limited to trunk (maybe -dev), it's not meant for stable yet
[19:16] <BUGabundo> I run trunk
[19:16] <BUGabundo> always do
[19:16] <BUGabundo> not stable is my food
[19:16] <BUGabundo> its so unstable that replying to mails in gmail crashes it right now
[19:17] <fta> the only crash i'm aware of is with the ubuntu font
[19:18] <BUGabundo> I'll log it and file , as I always do
[19:18] <BUGabundo> fta what are this xul-ext packages?
[19:19] <fta> ?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> !info xul-ext-notify
[19:22] <ubot2> BUGabundo: xul-ext-notify (source: notify-extension): integrate Firefox download messages with desktop notifications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.4-3ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 8 kB, installed size 136 kB
[19:22] <BUGabundo> this ones
[19:32] <fta> no idea what that is
[19:37] <fta> oh, there's a remake of nikita
[19:39] <BUGabundo> o.O
[19:39] <BUGabundo> there had to be a french bloke happy about that
[19:39]  * BUGabundo hides
[19:46] <fta> the movie was great, they did two remakes, so there has to be a reason
[19:49] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/466228
[19:49] <dupondje> can we fix this ?
[19:49] <ubot2> dupondje: Error: Bug #466228 is private.
[19:50] <dupondje> This report is public edit
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> dupondje, that's up to jdstrand_
[19:58] <micahg> dupondje: no one should be using 64 bit flash anymore, I'd suggest trying w/32 bit
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> i think the issue is with installing the flash plugin from the adobe site in to the profile, rather than being specifically a 64-bit issue
[19:59] <dupondje> micahg: its same issue with 32bit flash
[19:59] <dupondje> :p
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> but it's not for me to decide whether we want to support that method of install
[20:00] <dupondje> ii  flashplugin-installer                             10.1.82.76ubuntu2                               Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[20:00] <dupondje> this is what I have atm
[20:00] <dupondje> so :)
[20:00] <dupondje> and I get: [ 6032.271165] type=1400 audit(1284316978.362:25): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" parent=3136 profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.6.9/firefox-*bin" name="/usr/bin/lpstat" pid=3137 comm="sh" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[20:00] <micahg> dupondje: and you don't have another one in your profile, right?
[20:01] <dupondje> nope
[20:02] <dupondje> it uses the one from flashplugin :p
[20:02] <dupondje> I see it because it randomly crashes :x
[20:02] <dupondje> geez
[20:03] <micahg> dupondje: you might want to update the bug with your current information, that might move it alonf
[20:03] <micahg> *along
[20:03] <dupondje> i'll do
[20:03] <dupondje> would be nice to fix it, its quite straight forward
[20:03] <dupondje> and easy to fix
[20:04] <dupondje> added :)
[20:05] <micahg> dupondje: is it a specific site?  flash can do weird things sometimes
[20:06] <fta> lp is really unusable today, i give up
[20:06] <dupondje> micahg: nope, all flash printing
[20:06] <dupondje> it shows a empty printer list ..
[20:07] <dupondje> quite logic when it forbids access to lpstat :)
[20:07] <micahg> dupondje: yep, ok, well he'll see it tomorrow, so maybe they're will be an update
[20:07] <micahg> dupondje: which release are you on also?
[20:07] <dupondje> 10.10
[20:08]  * micahg adds a firefox task
[20:08] <dupondje> :)
[20:11] <Dimmuxx> micahg: will the beta ppa be updated with only official builds or will it get b6build1 etc?
[20:12] <micahg> Dimmuxx: whatever the final beta 6 build is, I'll push, I'm a little limited on time right now
[20:12] <Dimmuxx> okay so it might change in the future then?
[20:13] <micahg> Dimmuxx: are you asking if you'll get updates to the PPA?
[20:13] <Dimmuxx> no I'm asking about the rc builds of alphas/betas/rc/finals
[20:14] <micahg> Dimmuxx: yes, I'll push the rc builds as they are released
[20:14] <micahg> Dimmuxx: final will hopefully go in firefox-stable
[20:14] <Dimmuxx> that's not what I meant
[20:14] <Dimmuxx> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/4.0b4-candidates/
[20:14] <micahg> Dimmuxx: no, that's not what I meant
[20:14] <Dimmuxx> those are rcs of b4
[20:15] <micahg> Dimmuxx: no, I meant RC as in final release candidates :)
[20:15] <Dimmuxx> yeah exactly and that's not what I was talking about ;)
[20:16] <micahg> Dimmuxx: there was only 1 for beta 54
[20:16] <micahg> beta 5
[20:16] <micahg> Dimmuxx: it really depends on how much time I have
[20:16] <micahg> Dimmuxx: I'm only committing to the final beta/rc builds
[20:17] <Dimmuxx> micahg: okay, that's why I asked if it might change in the future in case you get more time.
[20:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I need to fix the apport hook, the question is, I need to ship a file in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.d, so how should I do this?
[20:18] <micahg> Dimmuxx: well, that's a toss up, I'd probably push for the devel release, not the stable ones
[20:19] <Dimmuxx> devel as in rc builds so b6 might get build1, 2, 3... in case they are done?
[20:19] <micahg> Dimmuxx: devel as in Maverick/natty :)
[20:20] <micahg> not all beta testers are equal
[20:22] <Dimmuxx> so maverick/natty might get rc1/build1 of b6 but not lucid and older?
[20:23] <chrisccoulson> micahg - you can just drop a new file in debian/apport and add it to the install file can't you?
[20:24] <chrisccoulson> fta - i'm having LP issues as well, the pages never finish loading
[20:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, but I need it on multiple branches that are installable at the same time
[20:24] <micahg> and it only needs to be in the PPAs
[20:25] <micahg> I was thinking of adding it to a separate package as a recommends with a replaces on older version and a binary version equals
[20:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - just use the source package name for the filename (like i do for the apport blacklist file)
[20:25] <chrisccoulson> or is it a different issue with that file?
[20:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, since this just lists our PPA bug project as a valid project for apport
[20:25] <micahg> and only needs to be done once for all installed packages
[20:26] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm
[20:26] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure of the best way to handle that
[20:26] <fta> chrisccoulson, yeah, i moved to my new project instead, s*w lp
[20:45] <micahg> wow ff40 beta 5 is totally useless for me :-/
[20:46] <micahg> oh, had the wrong profile :)
[20:46]  * micahg tries again
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> micahg - what happened?
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> i'm using the dailies here as my main browser ;)
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> i see we have jaegermonkey now
[20:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: my addons don't work still and I seem to have an SSL issue w/the beta, I don't have time to debug ATM
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i was thinking about dropping the symlink to /usr/lib/firefox-addons from the FF4.0 branch
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> i think we should have a dedicated /usr/lib/firefox-4.0-addons, and just use those folders for shipping version-dependant addons
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> (such as language packs)
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> i'd like to able to localise the development versions in the future, to get more people interested in testing them
[21:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: makes sense
[21:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: there were 3 new languages added the TB3.1, so I was going to prepare a thunderbird-locales update
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[21:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think we can sync gnash, any objections?  I can try the test build and request a sync
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've not looked at what's in debian, but i trust your judgement anyway
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> if you think we can sync it, then just open a bug for it :)
[21:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, we don't seem to be carrying any major changes
[21:57] <micahg> or any changes at all :)
[21:57] <micahg> and it's good \o/
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[21:58] <porter1> Has anyone else experienced slowdowns in firefox-4.0 when using wolframalpha.com on the results page? Earlier builds didn't seem to have this issue. Firefox is fine as long as the page isn't actually drawn to the screen, like switching to another tab.
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> the page seems to work here, what graphics driver do you use?
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i had a quick chat online with dpm about language packs a few days ago
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> we'll talk some more at UDS, but i think we'll unify the way we handle mozilla translations
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> but we don't know which way to go yet ;)
[22:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, ok, in the mean time, I'll still update tb-locales :)
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> it will either end up in us handling firefox like we handle thunderbird, or getting thunderbird translations in to launchpad
[22:02] <porter1> chrisccoulson, I'm using the nvidia proprietary which could easily be the problem since I'm running it in 10.10 for testing.
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> porter1, possibly. i use intel on my work machine, and i don't get those issues
[22:03] <micahg> porter1: we've had nvidia issues since 3.6, I haven't been able to track it down yet
[22:04]  * micahg doesn't have an nvidia test machine
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> does it happen with nouveau? :)
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> (although i've not tried that driver yet on my nvidia desktop)
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i should give it a go when i get some time
[23:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: bad news, just tested gnash and it doesn't seem to work :(
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that's not good
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> what happens?
[23:39] <micahg> nothing
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> :(
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> you just installed the debian package right? or did you rebuilt it first?
[23:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: rebuilt :)
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> i can try it in the morning, but i don't intend to do much tonight :)
[23:40] <micahg> I can look at the deps to see if we have any major differences later
[23:40] <micahg> later tonight I have to prepare the gjs/gnome-shell update for lucid
[23:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, on top of it, we need to tweak the apparmor profile to allow it as well
[23:42] <micahg> that should probably go in the new abstraction in the apparmor package, I'll have to file a bug later
[23:47]  * micahg also just saw 1 difference between the Debian package and ours, we suggest ubufox
[23:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: weird, it works with ubufox and flash disabled