[00:08] I have got a script to read the gtkrc [00:42] ok, it now used the gtkrc theme to dynamically generate css :) [00:48] Neat. [00:52] MadnessRed: the gtkrc mod is causing the tour to crash. [00:52] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492409/ [00:53] :/ [00:53] what theme? [00:53] Ambiance, with custom icon theme. [00:53] odd, [00:54] can you paste your gtkrc file [00:54] Sure. [00:54] thanks [00:55] Wait, ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml or the gtkrc? [00:55] I would think our gtkrc's would be the same. [00:57] Here's gtkrc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492411/ [01:00] Here's my theme settings: http://pastebin.com/7DR4wtxZ [01:00] ok thanks [01:00] The Ubuntu pastebin didn't seem to like the xml. [01:01] Are you on Maverick or Lucid, MadnessRed? [01:01] maverick [01:02] Hmm. [01:02] I'm going to chroot into my maverick partition and see if it works there. [01:02] wait, the bug was my fault [01:02] Maybe it's just the different light-themes. [01:02] I was being stupid [01:02] It because your gtkrc started with a comment [01:03] I pushed a fix, see if it works [01:03] Ok. [01:03] no wait, [01:03] need to push another fix [01:03] Alrighty. [01:04] revision 22 should work [01:05] Nope, still not working. [01:06] It works fine in Maverick for me. [01:12] what error Muscovy? [01:13] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492415/ [01:14] Does anyone know how to edit the side buttons? I can't find where to do that. [01:14] what about them? [01:15] I was trying to edit "Ubuntuone" to "Ubuntu One". [01:15] I replaced all text instances, but the button is still old. [01:15] you need to rename the folder [01:15] to ubuntu-one [01:16] in tour.py, line 220, can you add, print self.colours [01:16] Oh, thanks. [01:16] and tell me what the output is [01:17] Two lines of {} before the error. [01:18] ok, in get_theme.py [01:19] after line 30, before line 31, add this... [01:19] print line [01:19] the line should start with 3 tabs [01:20] ah [01:20] thats interesting [01:20] in maverick its gtk-color-scheme [01:20] in lucid it gtk_color_scheme [01:26] ok try the lastest revision [01:34] MadneddRed: Works now. :D [01:49] it works for Ambiance, we could do with some other testers [01:49] I'll try out some other themes. [01:50] what is the new branch? [01:51] There's lp:ubuntu-tour, which has stable code and latest edits. [01:52] ~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development is latest code. [01:53] how different are they at the moment? [01:53] Not too much. [01:55] really? [01:55] I though the stable code was missing a lot [01:55] ooh no wonder I can't see much different I'll pull the development [01:56] I may be wrong [01:59] The dev looks fine on my theme which is equinox [01:59] except the text is huge and those buttons on the left still look odd [02:00] how hufe? [02:00] huge? [02:00] it should be basic html [02:01] and those buttons I have a plan for :) [02:01] but gonna wait till everyone is online so we can discuss it [02:02] MadnessRed: Thanks for your coding expertise. :D [02:02] no problem, glad I could help [02:03] though I think I will go to bed soon :) its 2am [02:06] YEEEAH, I did the same thing when the project started. [02:10] So with the use of HTML, this could essentially become an HTML5/css3 slide show? [02:10] Basically. [02:10] That could allow for a really nice design too [02:10] Since html and css would be a lot nicer for formatting. [02:10] ^ [02:10] yh [02:11] it uses the webkit engine, which is the same as chrome/safari so you be able to do html5 and css3 fine [02:11] yes [02:12] Anyone here know anything about Quickshot? I'm guessing it'll be the easiest way to do our screenshots. [02:14] how does it differ? [02:14] from the standard app? [02:14] What do you mean? [02:15] how does quickshot differ from the default screenshot application in ubuntu? [02:16] I'm not entirely sure. [02:16] I\m pretty sure it crops applications. [02:16] And I _think_ it scrolls through syslanguages or something for you. [02:18] ok [02:30] Maybe we're ready for a merge? The current code branch seems stable. [02:32] test with more skins first [02:32] I a worried about it [02:32] I also need to put the code into a try statement so it dies gracefully [02:33] It's fine for me with Ambiance/Radiance (and derivatives), Clearlooks, and Dust. [02:33] it works on equinox too [02:42] good morning everyone! :) [02:42] wiki page is now up, thanks to fieldse [02:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Project [02:42] uploaded the content just now [02:43] Welcome back. [02:45] April: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour [02:45] aprilg: We seem to be able to create /pages now, do you think we should move wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Project up a level and redirect? [02:50] oh, we already have a page! lol :) [02:51] i'll move the content from what i created to that [02:53] got disconnected again. :( [02:53] just moved all content from UbuntuTour/Project to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour [02:53] also, deleted the other page === aprilg1 is now known as aprilg [02:56] kept happening to me all today, whenever I got a phone call [02:59] :) [02:59] moving ToDo list to a wiki page [03:01] kk [03:02] anyway, I'm off, its 3am here === |Omega| is now known as Omega [08:11] giselher, how is your code going? [08:11] there is a second branch /ubuntu-tours/code-development now [08:21] laurent_: still trying to figure out how to do things in pygtk [08:22] have a look at the branch, they've done quite a bit [08:27] laurent_: oh they have done quite much, I think I will be useless then, because after I figured out pygtk they already finished it :) [08:29] have a play [08:51] is there anyway for me to look at the tour? :) [08:54] Yep [08:55] If you download the bzr tree and click ubuntu-tour [08:55] ok :) i'll try that. thanks! [08:55] I have just joined the team [08:56] I have a quick query regards not doing this as videos? [08:57] what do you mean? :) [08:57] i think we're gonna be working on a slideshow for each of the topics [08:59] I mean currently it loads images and text [08:59] You can click forward and back etc [08:59] Which is more like help than a tour [08:59] IMHO ;-) [08:59] yep. i get what you mean :) [08:59] we're still working on that :) [09:00] So what about using ogg files instead of images [09:00] what you see right now actually just came together yesterday [09:00] Ahhh [09:00] woops [09:00] :D [09:00] we'd love for you to help though [09:00] we really are just starting out [09:00] Cool, sorry I kinda followed this conversation at the last UDS [09:00] and thought I'd love to help [09:01] please do! :) [09:01] So looks like I have landed on the first day ! ;-) [09:01] most of hte developers aren't around right now. maybe still sleeping [09:01] Do we have a blueprint document? [09:02] you may want to talk with laurent_ giselher brandonj, MadnessRed [09:02] i don't think we have a blueprint document yet.. [09:02] there may be one on launchpad, but i'm not really sure what's currently on that [09:03] Billynkid we just set up the wiki page as well. some of the details are there. wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntutour [09:03] also, http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75?| [09:04] that's pretty mcuh where all the project notes are right now [09:05] I don't think there will be any solid blueprints until the meeting planed for about saturday [09:11] aprilg: that wiki page is empty? [09:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour [09:13] case sensitivity ;-) [09:19] Hey, our wiki's up! [09:20] It's 4:19AM where I am. So yeah, mostly everyone's prob. asleep [09:20] Ahh its 11.20am here ;-) === Guest38875 is now known as jay === jay is now known as jay_ === jay_ is now known as jmd === jmd is now known as kuroq [09:43] just created desktop-customization topics. committed as revision 43 on lp:ubuntu-tour === popey__ is now known as popey [11:22] I'm random03 [11:22] hi all [11:24] Hi === aprilg1 is now known as aprilg [12:55] hey ppl === aprilg1 is now known as aprilg [12:58] who's the admin? === Crisco is now known as zz_Crisco [13:58] Good day guys. [14:09] goog day Omega !! :) [14:14] :) === zz_Crisco is now known as Crisco [15:41] Seems to be an little more quiet in here then yesterday. [15:52] commited getting help chapter [15:58] Hey [16:10] Omega seems you have html tags in the text [16:11] Yes [16:11] The syntax is going to be implemented [16:12] ahh [16:12] cool [16:14] Wondering about if we can embed video? [16:15] We probably could [16:21] Just thinking that allows us to have talk overs? [16:24] We also can redo some from screencasts? [16:25] MadnessRed: I found an bug in the "new" program [16:26] Silasle: if your quick you can file the first bug report [16:27] ooh, go on? [16:27] Nah, i think i know how to fix it [16:28] But you have done it rally nice [16:28] *really [16:29] It's that one: [16:29] gtkrc = open('/usr/share/themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read() [16:29] It needs to be something like [16:29] try: [16:29] gtkrc = open('/usr/share/themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read() [16:29] except: [16:29] gtkrc = open('/home/silas/.themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read() [16:30] But ~/.themes doesent work [16:31] Ok, it's fixed [16:31] ok thanks :) [16:32] MadnessRed: the getting help chapter uses html [16:32] So when it's implemented you can test on that [16:32] ok, btw here is a basic guide as to what files will be read [16:32] (I'll update the testing branch to get the latest text too) [16:32] for page 0 it will load all files beginning 0_ [16:33] then generally, the first file which ends .html will be loaded for html view, and the first file which doesn't will be loaded as text [16:33] if there is not a html file, it will load the first plain text file and convert it to html [16:34] if there is no a text it will try and convert the html file [16:34] What is that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/492638/ [16:34] also for html, you don't need to include the stuff, that is all done by the scripts [16:35] MadnessRed: Can you push? [16:35] can I, or may I? [16:35] Bazaar seems to be down? [16:35] I can't pull [16:35] Ahh, now its working [16:36] kk [16:37] hm, I have an un pushed commit [16:38] So, everything is updated [16:38] Except that i removed the html directory and now it's not working ;) [16:40] kk, [16:41] Now everything is ok [16:42] can I suggest something [16:42] Is it an good idea to use the built in browser for the links? [16:43] MadnessRed: Sure [16:43] rather than using the getpass.getuser() to get username and then doing '/home/'+username ... [16:44] it is a bit more reliable to use os.path.expanduser('~/') [16:44] I change that [16:44] i can do it, dw, I jsut need to push [16:44] I want to be a second fallback in aswell [16:44] Ok [16:47] Is it possible to have html5 in that? [16:47] yh [16:47] it uses the webkit engine [16:51] There we solved the video problem [16:52] ? [16:52]

[16:52] For example [16:53] Gives you that http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-17.png [16:54] I think we need a better interface [16:54] UI [16:54] The buttons are kind of uninviting. [16:55] That can be scripted [16:55] video works, check out tests in the latest revision [16:56] I already have it working [16:57] lol nice video btw [16:57] Demo video for opera [16:57] *by opera :P [16:58] lol [16:58] That volume button is an bit confusing [16:59] its a mute button isn't it? [16:59] Yea but --- is playing and ((( is muted [16:59] It's the wrong way [16:59] not for me [17:00] Ok, but what do we need more? [17:00] ? [17:00] Something to do better [17:00] I think the left buttons [17:00] could maybe be done as a tree [17:01] Opera is awesome [17:01] and we could catagorise the things somehow [17:01] ? [17:01] Except for being nonfree [17:01] I have opera on my phone :) [17:01] Opera is free but not open source [17:01] Same here [17:01] prefer chom(e/ium) for pc though [17:02] I use Chromium too [17:02] Yep, about ubuntu should be the first in the list. [17:02] But Opera has some nice features [17:02] also, regard html [17:02] I used chromium for some time, until i needed an irc client [17:03] all web pages act like they are in the same folder as ubuntu-tour.py [17:03] And i love that one built in in opera [17:03] I use irssi [17:03] i use xchat-gtk [17:03] I love Opera Unite [17:03] Unite could have been better [17:04] http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQUCi3KiaWIrlQCosUhS0oa_RMkSJWf-EdyeeMhQImCvNauxg&t=1&usg=__t2S4x_MoRSnHHCJzvlaWFtEywu4= [17:04] ignore the columns for now, how about something like that for grouping the tours [17:04] Hmm, no [17:05] Silasle: Well yeah but everything could be better :P [17:05] what about the treeview? [17:05] I would like, Clicking on internet gives you an list to chose from in the big info box [17:06] Omega: I like real web servers [17:06] yes that was what I was thinking of doing :) [17:06] And, cant we have one standard tour that sends you through everything? [17:07] we could just send the next button to become next toor at the end [17:07] tour# [17:07] Yeah [17:07] mmm [17:07] Hello all. [17:07] Hey Muscovy [17:07] Yes, that sounds perfect [17:08] Hi Muscovy [17:08] First, about ubuntu. Then internet. Then multimedia. Then Office [17:09] Keeping it in the menu order? [17:09] Menu order? [17:09] the order in which things appear [17:10] No, in that order too. [17:10] I meant it looks like we're trying to use the same order as the Applications menu. [17:10] I mean you may not want, Adding Repositories to come before Connecting to the Internet [17:10] so we need some way of choose where the items appear [17:10] In the order Ubuntu-->Internet-->multimedia-->office-->Rest [17:11] Also, I have extracted the pathbar from the software centre source [17:11] And the button for the current tour should be marked in some way [17:11] we could have it pressed [17:11] Yep, pressed [17:11] Is there a way we could shrink the side buttons to about 75% of the size? [17:12] but do we want buttons? [17:12] I'm not sure. [17:12] Not really [17:12] In our original mockups it was just next/previous. [17:12] But it's the best i can think of now [17:12] Maybe show the current, previous, and next, with some sort of expand button to show all? I think that would be cool. [17:12] Maybe an home button? [17:13] To go back to the front page? [17:13] To get the buttons to choose from [17:14] And the front page should show you options, go trough the whole tour, to one category, or skip everything. [17:16] I think we should get some definite designs, and decide what we want first [17:16] Maybe [17:16] So, everyone, create mockups. === daker_ is now known as daker [17:18] How do I pull from a different branch? [17:18] I'm a git person [17:18] I want to use the experimental one [17:18] bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development [17:18] In another folder [17:18] bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development [17:20] Actually, I think we can bind lp:ubuntu-tour/maverick-dev or something to it. [17:21] bbl === Silasle is now known as Silasle_away [17:24] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/tour.png [17:27] interesting, brb === MadnessRed is now known as MadnessRed_brb [17:27] Omega, do you think you could put ubuntu-tour-admins as maintainer of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour ? [17:27] Okay [17:27] I thought I did [17:28] You just did the team ownership. [17:28] Oh [17:28] I didn't want to bug you when you did that because you were afk. [17:29] There [17:29] Thanks. === MadnessRed_brb is now known as MadnessRed [17:37] IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml' [17:38] I don't have the interface dir [17:44] The progress bar is out of order with the menu? [17:48] Omega, what desktop environment do you use? [17:48] GNOME [17:49] I use bluetile as my wm though. [17:49] Hm. [17:49] Try checking how much of the file path exists. [17:50] Though I think we should put an if_file around that anyways, for people who use KDE and so on. [17:52] yeah [17:52] I did [17:52] interface doesn't === andres is now known as Guest50433 [18:35] I wonder how we should make the interactivity framework. [18:36] I hadn't thought about making topic/page detection automatic. [18:36] ? [18:39] I figured about-ubuntu/en/0_about-ubuntu and so on would be built into the .py. [18:40] Therefore, I thought tests like "pgrep firefox | xargs ps" would be easy to build in. [18:45] those files should not be built into the py [18:46] MadnessRed: Can we check which page we are on? === Silasle_away is now known as Silasle [18:47] And can we change the page? [18:47] hi, yes we can [18:47] tour.page, and tour.folder [18:47] about-ubuntu and each of the other tours should each be made into single files. .tar or something [18:48] well we could get python to extract them [18:48] yeah, thats no problem [18:48] Why? [18:48] and allow them to be imported [18:48] Users should be able to download tours from the internet [18:48] IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml' [18:48] in a single file [18:48] I don't have the interface dir in /home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/ [18:48] Omega:Which row? [18:48] instead of reading %gconf.xml, isnt there a python interface to gconf? [18:48] I get that error on launch [18:49] I am not sure, I haven't done much with gconf [18:49] if so it would definately be a better way of doing it [18:49] line 24 calls line 7 [18:49] its in get_theme.py [18:49] python-gconf [18:53] ok, i'll investigate [18:57] Is anyone else having trouble pushing to bzr? [18:57] Oh wait, it's fine now. [18:57] It kept saying 503 error. [18:57] I had problems about 2 hours ago too [18:58] That 503 and one more [18:58] sometimes the launchpad servers get a bit slow/overloaded [18:58] brb [18:59] I'd like to some sort of titling system for the window. [19:01] Like "Ubuntu Tour - Applications menu". [19:01] Muscovy: Thanks for the idea [19:02] I'm perhaps from taking the page file's name, and convert - to ' ' and capitalize it. [19:02] Or have a tag. [19:02] I assume it doesn't render html comments? [19:04] I think we can get that whit the tour.page command [19:04] If i understood MadnessRed right [19:05] I confess I haven't given the Python a good read yet. [19:07] Muscovy: That's done [19:08] Title is now foldername - Ubuntu-tour [19:11] I'm not sure about the - in the name. We called it ubuntu-tour on Launchpad just for readability (no spaces doesn't look quite as nice). [19:14] So should it be ubuntu-tour, ubuntutour,or ubuntu tour? [19:14]