[00:08] <MadnessRed> I have got a script to read the gtkrc
[00:42] <MadnessRed> ok, it now used the gtkrc theme to dynamically generate css :)
[00:48] <Muscovy> Neat.
[00:52] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: the gtkrc mod is causing the tour to crash.
[00:52] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492409/
[00:53] <MadnessRed> :/
[00:53] <MadnessRed> what theme?
[00:53] <Muscovy> Ambiance, with custom icon theme.
[00:53] <MadnessRed> odd,
[00:54] <MadnessRed> can you paste your gtkrc file
[00:54] <Muscovy> Sure.
[00:54] <MadnessRed> thanks
[00:55] <Muscovy> Wait, ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml or the gtkrc?
[00:55] <Muscovy> I would think our gtkrc's would be the same.
[00:57] <Muscovy> Here's gtkrc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492411/
[01:00] <Muscovy> Here's my theme settings: http://pastebin.com/7DR4wtxZ
[01:00] <MadnessRed> ok thanks
[01:00] <Muscovy> The Ubuntu pastebin didn't seem to like the xml.
[01:01] <Muscovy> Are you on Maverick or Lucid, MadnessRed?
[01:01] <MadnessRed> maverick
[01:02] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[01:02] <Muscovy> I'm going to chroot into my maverick partition and see if it works there.
[01:02] <MadnessRed> wait, the bug was my fault
[01:02] <Muscovy> Maybe it's just the different light-themes.
[01:02] <MadnessRed> I was being stupid
[01:02] <MadnessRed> It because your gtkrc started with a comment
[01:03] <MadnessRed> I pushed a fix, see if it works
[01:03] <Muscovy> Ok.
[01:03] <MadnessRed> no wait,
[01:03] <MadnessRed> need to push another fix
[01:03] <Muscovy> Alrighty.
[01:04] <MadnessRed> revision 22 should work
[01:05] <Muscovy> Nope, still not working.
[01:06] <Muscovy> It works fine in Maverick for me.
[01:12] <MadnessRed> what error Muscovy?
[01:13] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492415/
[01:14] <Muscovy> Does anyone know how to edit the side buttons? I can't find where to do that.
[01:14] <MadnessRed> what about them?
[01:15] <Muscovy> I was trying to edit "Ubuntuone" to "Ubuntu One".
[01:15] <Muscovy> I replaced all text instances, but the button is still old.
[01:15] <MadnessRed> you need to rename the folder
[01:15] <MadnessRed> to ubuntu-one
[01:16] <MadnessRed> in tour.py, line 220, can you add, print self.colours
[01:16] <Muscovy> Oh, thanks.
[01:16] <MadnessRed> and tell me what the output is
[01:17] <Muscovy> Two lines of {} before the error.
[01:18] <MadnessRed> ok, in get_theme.py
[01:19] <MadnessRed> after line 30, before line 31, add this...
[01:19] <MadnessRed> 			print line
[01:19] <MadnessRed> the line should start with 3 tabs
[01:20] <MadnessRed> ah
[01:20] <MadnessRed> thats interesting
[01:20] <MadnessRed> in maverick its gtk-color-scheme
[01:20] <MadnessRed> in lucid it gtk_color_scheme
[01:26] <MadnessRed> ok try the lastest revision
[01:34] <Muscovy> MadneddRed: Works now. :D
[01:49] <MadnessRed> it works for Ambiance, we could do with some other testers
[01:49] <Muscovy> I'll try out some other themes.
[01:50] <laurent_> what is the new branch?
[01:51] <Muscovy> There's lp:ubuntu-tour, which has stable code and latest edits.
[01:52] <Muscovy> ~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development is latest code.
[01:53] <laurent_> how different are they at the moment?
[01:53] <Muscovy> Not too much.
[01:55] <MadnessRed> really?
[01:55] <MadnessRed> I though the stable code was missing a lot
[01:55] <laurent_> ooh no wonder I can't see much different I'll pull the development
[01:56] <MadnessRed> I may be wrong
[01:59] <laurent_> The dev looks fine on my theme which is equinox
[01:59] <laurent_> except the text is huge and those buttons on the left still look odd
[02:00] <MadnessRed> how hufe?
[02:00] <MadnessRed> huge?
[02:00] <MadnessRed> it should be basic html
[02:01] <MadnessRed> and those buttons I have a plan for :)
[02:01] <MadnessRed> but gonna wait till everyone is online so we can discuss it
[02:02] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: Thanks for your coding expertise. :D
[02:02] <MadnessRed> no problem, glad I could help
[02:03] <MadnessRed> though I think I will go to bed soon :) its 2am
[02:06] <Muscovy> YEEEAH, I did the same thing when the project started.
[02:10] <laurent_> So with the use of HTML, this could essentially become an HTML5/css3 slide show?
[02:10] <Muscovy> Basically.
[02:10] <laurent_> That could allow for a really nice design too
[02:10] <Muscovy> Since html and css would be a lot nicer for formatting.
[02:10] <Muscovy> ^
[02:10] <MadnessRed> yh
[02:11] <MadnessRed> it uses the webkit engine, which is the same as chrome/safari so you be able to do html5 and css3 fine
[02:11] <laurent_> yes
[02:12] <Muscovy> Anyone here know anything about Quickshot? I'm guessing it'll be the easiest way to do our screenshots.
[02:14] <MadnessRed> how does it differ?
[02:14] <MadnessRed> from the standard app?
[02:14] <Muscovy> What do you mean?
[02:15] <MadnessRed> how does quickshot differ from the default screenshot application in ubuntu?
[02:16] <Muscovy> I'm not entirely sure.
[02:16] <Muscovy> I\m pretty sure it crops applications.
[02:16] <Muscovy> And I _think_ it scrolls through syslanguages or something for you.
[02:18] <MadnessRed> ok
[02:30] <Muscovy> Maybe we're ready for a merge? The current code branch seems stable.
[02:32] <MadnessRed> test with more skins first
[02:32] <MadnessRed> I a worried about it
[02:32] <MadnessRed> I also need to put the code into a try statement so it dies gracefully
[02:33] <Muscovy> It's fine for me with Ambiance/Radiance (and derivatives), Clearlooks, and Dust.
[02:33] <laurent_> it works on equinox too
[02:42] <aprilg> good morning everyone! :)
[02:42] <aprilg> wiki page is now up, thanks to fieldse
[02:42] <aprilg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Project
[02:42] <aprilg> uploaded the content just now
[02:43] <Muscovy> Welcome back.
[02:45] <Muscovy> April: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[02:45] <Muscovy> aprilg: We seem to be able to create /pages now, do you think we should move wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Project up a level and redirect?
[02:50] <aprilg> oh, we already have a page! lol :)
[02:51] <aprilg> i'll move the content from what i created to that
[02:53] <aprilg1> got disconnected again. :(
[02:53] <aprilg1> just moved all content from UbuntuTour/Project to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[02:53] <aprilg1> also, deleted the other page
[02:56] <MadnessRed> kept happening to me all today, whenever I got a phone call
[02:59] <aprilg> :)
[02:59] <aprilg> moving ToDo list to a wiki page
[03:01] <MadnessRed> kk
[03:02] <MadnessRed> anyway, I'm off, its 3am here
[08:11] <laurent_> giselher, how is your code going?
[08:11] <laurent_> there is a second branch /ubuntu-tours/code-development now
[08:21] <giselher> laurent_: still trying to figure out how to do things in pygtk
[08:22] <laurent_> have a look at the branch, they've done quite a bit
[08:27] <giselher> laurent_: oh they have done quite much, I think I will be useless then, because after I figured out pygtk they already finished it :)
[08:29] <laurent_> have a play
[08:51] <aprilg> is there anyway for me to look at the tour? :)
[08:54] <Billynkid> Yep
[08:55] <Billynkid> If you download the bzr tree and click ubuntu-tour
[08:55] <aprilg> ok :) i'll try that. thanks!
[08:55] <Billynkid> I have just joined the team
[08:56] <Billynkid> I have a quick query regards not doing this as videos?
[08:57] <aprilg> what do you mean? :)
[08:57] <aprilg> i think we're gonna be working on a slideshow for each of the topics
[08:59] <Billynkid> I mean currently it loads images and text
[08:59] <Billynkid> You can click forward and back etc
[08:59] <Billynkid> Which is more like help than a tour
[08:59] <Billynkid> IMHO ;-)
[08:59] <aprilg> yep. i get what you mean :)
[08:59] <aprilg> we're still working on that :)
[09:00] <Billynkid> So what about using ogg files instead of images
[09:00] <aprilg> what you see right now actually just came together yesterday
[09:00] <Billynkid> Ahhh
[09:00] <Billynkid> woops
[09:00] <aprilg> :D
[09:00] <aprilg> we'd love for you to help though
[09:00] <aprilg> we really are just starting out
[09:00] <Billynkid> Cool, sorry I kinda followed this conversation at the last UDS
[09:00] <Billynkid> and thought I'd love to help
[09:01] <aprilg> please do! :)
[09:01] <Billynkid> So looks like I have landed on the first day ! ;-)
[09:01] <aprilg> most of hte developers aren't around right now. maybe still sleeping
[09:01] <Billynkid> Do we have a blueprint document?
[09:02] <aprilg> you may want to talk with laurent_ giselher brandonj, MadnessRed
[09:02] <aprilg> i don't think we have a blueprint document yet..
[09:02] <aprilg> there may be one on launchpad, but i'm not really sure what's currently on that
[09:03] <aprilg> Billynkid we just set up the wiki page as well. some of the details are there. wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntutour
[09:03] <aprilg> also, http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75?|
[09:04] <aprilg> that's pretty mcuh where all the project notes are right now
[09:05] <laurent_> I don't think there will be any solid blueprints until the meeting planed for about saturday
[09:11] <Billynkid> aprilg: that wiki page is empty?
[09:13] <Billynkid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[09:13] <Billynkid> case sensitivity ;-)
[09:19] <fieldse> Hey, our wiki's up!
[09:20] <fieldse> It's 4:19AM where I am. So yeah, mostly everyone's prob. asleep
[09:20] <Billynkid> Ahh its 11.20am here ;-)
[09:43] <aprilg> just created desktop-customization topics. committed as revision 43 on lp:ubuntu-tour
[11:22] <GiulioC> I'm random03
[11:22] <GiulioC> hi all
[11:24] <Billynkid> Hi
[12:55] <Tomynho> hey ppl
[12:58] <Tomynho> who's the admin?
[13:58] <Omega> Good day guys.
[14:09] <abr4xas> goog day Omega !! :)
[14:14] <Omega> :)
[15:41] <Silasle> Seems to be an little more quiet in here then yesterday.
[15:52] <Omega> commited getting help chapter
[15:58] <Omega> Hey
[16:10] <Billynkid> Omega seems you have html tags in the text
[16:11] <Omega> Yes
[16:11] <Omega> The syntax is going to be implemented
[16:12] <Billynkid> ahh
[16:12] <Billynkid> cool
[16:14] <Billynkid> Wondering about if we can embed video?
[16:15] <Omega> We probably could
[16:21] <Billynkid> Just thinking that allows us to have talk overs?
[16:24] <Billynkid> We also can redo some from screencasts?
[16:25] <Silasle> MadnessRed: I found an bug in the "new" program
[16:26] <Billynkid> Silasle: if your quick you can file the first bug report
[16:27] <MadnessRed> ooh, go on?
[16:27] <Silasle> Nah, i think i know how to fix it
[16:28] <Silasle> But you have done it rally nice
[16:28] <Silasle> *really
[16:29] <Silasle> It's that one:
[16:29] <Silasle> gtkrc = open('/usr/share/themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read()
[16:29] <Silasle> It needs to be something like
[16:29] <Silasle> 	try:
[16:29] <Silasle> 		gtkrc = open('/usr/share/themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read()
[16:29] <Silasle> 	except:
[16:29] <Silasle> 		gtkrc = open('/home/silas/.themes/' + theme + '/gtk-2.0/gtkrc').read()
[16:30] <Silasle> But ~/.themes doesent work
[16:31] <Silasle> Ok, it's fixed
[16:31] <MadnessRed> ok thanks :)
[16:32] <Omega> MadnessRed: the getting help chapter uses html
[16:32] <Omega> So when it's implemented you can test on that
[16:32] <MadnessRed> ok, btw here is a basic guide as to what files will be read
[16:32] <Silasle> (I'll update  the testing branch to get  the latest text too)
[16:32] <MadnessRed> for page 0 it will load all files beginning 0_
[16:33] <MadnessRed> then generally, the first file which ends .html will be loaded for html view, and the first file which doesn't will be loaded as text
[16:33] <MadnessRed> if there is not a html file, it will load the first plain text file and convert it to html
[16:34] <MadnessRed> if there is no a text it will try and convert the html file
[16:34] <Silasle> What is that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/492638/
[16:34] <MadnessRed> also for html, you don't need to include the <html> <head> <body> stuff, that is all done by the scripts
[16:35] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Can you push?
[16:35] <MadnessRed> can I, or may I?
[16:35] <Silasle> Bazaar seems  to be down?
[16:35] <MadnessRed> I can't pull
[16:35] <Silasle> Ahh, now its working
[16:36] <MadnessRed> kk
[16:37] <MadnessRed> hm, I have an un pushed commit
[16:38] <Silasle> So, everything is updated
[16:38] <Silasle> Except that i removed the html directory and now it's not working ;)
[16:40] <MadnessRed> kk,
[16:41] <Silasle> Now everything is ok
[16:42] <MadnessRed> can I suggest something
[16:42] <Silasle> Is it an good idea to use the built in browser for the links?
[16:43] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Sure
[16:43] <MadnessRed> rather than using the getpass.getuser() to get username and then doing '/home/'+username ...
[16:44] <MadnessRed> it is a bit more reliable to use os.path.expanduser('~/')
[16:44] <Silasle> I change that
[16:44] <MadnessRed> i can do it, dw, I jsut need to push
[16:44] <MadnessRed> I want to be a second fallback in aswell
[16:44] <Silasle> Ok
[16:47] <Silasle> Is it possible to have html5 in that?
[16:47] <MadnessRed> yh
[16:47] <MadnessRed> it uses the webkit engine
[16:51] <Silasle> There we solved the video problem
[16:52] <MadnessRed> ?
[16:52] <Silasle> <video controls src="http://people.opera.com/howcome/2007/video/A_New_Computer--small.ogg" id="myVideo">Video not working</video>
[16:52] <Silasle> For example
[16:53] <Silasle> Gives you that http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-17.png
[16:54] <Omega> I think we need a better interface
[16:54] <Omega> UI
[16:54] <Omega> The buttons are kind of uninviting.
[16:55] <Silasle> That can be scripted
[16:55] <MadnessRed> video works, check out tests in the latest revision
[16:56] <Silasle> I already have it working
[16:57] <MadnessRed> lol nice video btw
[16:57] <Silasle> Demo video for opera
[16:57] <Silasle> *by opera :P
[16:58] <MadnessRed> lol
[16:58] <Silasle> That volume button is an bit confusing
[16:59] <MadnessRed> its a mute button isn't it?
[16:59] <Silasle> Yea but --- is playing and ((( is muted
[16:59] <Silasle> It's the wrong way
[16:59] <MadnessRed> not for me
[17:00] <Silasle> Ok, but what do we need more?
[17:00] <MadnessRed> ?
[17:00] <Silasle> Something to do better
[17:00] <MadnessRed> I think the left buttons
[17:00] <MadnessRed> could maybe be done as a tree
[17:01] <Omega> Opera is awesome
[17:01] <MadnessRed> and we could catagorise the things somehow
[17:01] <Silasle> ?
[17:01] <Omega> Except for being nonfree
[17:01] <MadnessRed> I have opera on my phone :)
[17:01] <Silasle> Opera is free but not open source
[17:01] <Omega> Same here
[17:01] <MadnessRed> prefer chom(e/ium) for pc though
[17:02] <Omega> I use Chromium too
[17:02] <Silasle> Yep, about ubuntu should be the first in the list.
[17:02] <Omega> But Opera has some nice features
[17:02] <MadnessRed> also, regard html
[17:02] <Silasle> I used chromium for some time, until i needed an irc client
[17:03] <MadnessRed> all web pages act like they are in the same folder as ubuntu-tour.py
[17:03] <Silasle> And i love that one built in in opera
[17:03] <Omega> I use irssi
[17:03] <MadnessRed> i use xchat-gtk
[17:03] <Omega> I love Opera Unite
[17:03] <Silasle> Unite could have been better
[17:04] <MadnessRed> http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQUCi3KiaWIrlQCosUhS0oa_RMkSJWf-EdyeeMhQImCvNauxg&t=1&usg=__t2S4x_MoRSnHHCJzvlaWFtEywu4=
[17:04] <MadnessRed> ignore the columns for now, how about something like that for grouping the tours
[17:04] <Silasle> Hmm, no
[17:05] <Omega> Silasle: Well yeah but everything could be better :P
[17:05] <MadnessRed> what about the treeview?
[17:05] <Silasle> I would like, Clicking on internet gives you an list to chose from in the big info box
[17:06] <Silasle> Omega: I like real web servers
[17:06] <MadnessRed> yes that was what I was thinking of doing :)
[17:06] <Silasle> And, cant we have one standard tour that sends you through everything?
[17:07] <MadnessRed> we could just send the next button to become next toor at the end
[17:07] <MadnessRed> tour#
[17:07] <Omega> Yeah
[17:07] <Silasle> mmm
[17:07] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[17:07] <Omega> Hey Muscovy
[17:07] <Silasle> Yes, that sounds perfect
[17:08] <Silasle> Hi Muscovy
[17:08] <Silasle> First, about ubuntu. Then internet. Then multimedia. Then Office
[17:09] <Muscovy> Keeping it in the menu order?
[17:09] <Silasle> Menu order?
[17:09] <MadnessRed> the order in which things appear
[17:10] <Silasle> No, in that order too.
[17:10] <Muscovy> I meant it looks like we're trying to use the same order as the Applications menu.
[17:10] <MadnessRed> I mean you may not want, Adding Repositories to come before Connecting to the Internet
[17:10] <MadnessRed> so we need some way of choose where the items appear
[17:10] <Silasle> In the order Ubuntu-->Internet-->multimedia-->office-->Rest
[17:11] <MadnessRed> Also, I have extracted the pathbar from the software centre source
[17:11] <Silasle> And the button for the current tour should be marked in some way
[17:11] <MadnessRed> we could have it pressed
[17:11] <Silasle> Yep, pressed
[17:11] <Muscovy> Is there a way we could shrink the side buttons to about 75% of the size?
[17:12] <MadnessRed> but do we want buttons?
[17:12] <Muscovy> I'm not sure.
[17:12] <Silasle> Not really
[17:12] <Muscovy> In our original mockups it was just next/previous.
[17:12] <Silasle> But it's the best i can think of now
[17:12] <Muscovy> Maybe show the current, previous, and next, with some sort of expand button to show all? I think that would be cool.
[17:12] <Silasle> Maybe an home button?
[17:13] <Muscovy> To go back to the front page?
[17:13] <Silasle> To get the buttons to choose from
[17:14] <Silasle> And the front page should show you options, go trough the whole tour, to one category, or skip everything.
[17:16] <MadnessRed> I think we should get some definite designs, and decide what we want first
[17:16] <Silasle> Maybe
[17:16] <Silasle> So, everyone, create mockups.
[17:18] <Omega> How do I pull from a different branch?
[17:18] <Omega> I'm a git person
[17:18] <Omega> I want to use the experimental one
[17:18] <Silasle> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development
[17:18] <Silasle> In another folder
[17:18] <Muscovy> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development
[17:20] <Muscovy> Actually, I think we can bind lp:ubuntu-tour/maverick-dev or something to it.
[17:21] <Silasle> bbl
[17:24] <Silasle_away> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/tour.png
[17:27] <MadnessRed> interesting, brb
[17:27] <Muscovy> Omega, do you think you could put ubuntu-tour-admins as maintainer of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour ?
[17:27] <Omega> Okay
[17:27] <Omega> I thought I did
[17:28] <Muscovy> You just did the team ownership.
[17:28] <Omega> Oh
[17:28] <Muscovy> I didn't want to bug you when you did that because you were afk.
[17:29] <Omega> There
[17:29] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[17:37] <Omega> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml'
[17:38] <Omega> I don't have the interface dir
[17:44] <Billynkid> The progress bar is out of order with the menu?
[17:48] <Muscovy> Omega, what desktop environment do you use?
[17:48] <Omega> GNOME
[17:49] <Omega> I use bluetile as my wm though.
[17:49] <Muscovy> Hm.
[17:49] <Muscovy> Try checking how much of the file path exists.
[17:50] <Muscovy> Though I think we should put an if_file around that anyways, for people who use KDE and so on.
[17:52] <Omega> yeah
[17:52] <Omega> I did
[17:52] <Omega> interface doesn't
[18:35] <Muscovy> I wonder how we should make the interactivity framework.
[18:36] <Muscovy> I hadn't thought about making topic/page detection automatic.
[18:36] <MadnessRed> ?
[18:39] <Muscovy> I figured about-ubuntu/en/0_about-ubuntu and so on would be built into the .py.
[18:40] <Muscovy> Therefore, I thought tests like "pgrep firefox | xargs ps" would be easy to build in.
[18:45] <brandonj> those files should not be built into the py
[18:46] <Silasle_away> MadnessRed: Can we check which page we are on?
[18:47] <Silasle> And  can we change the page?
[18:47] <MadnessRed> hi, yes we can
[18:47] <MadnessRed> tour.page, and tour.folder
[18:47] <brandonj> about-ubuntu and each of the other tours should each be made into single files.  .tar or something
[18:48] <MadnessRed> well we could get python to extract them
[18:48] <brandonj> yeah, thats no problem
[18:48] <Silasle> Why?
[18:48] <MadnessRed> and allow them to be imported
[18:48] <brandonj> Users should be able to download tours from the internet
[18:48] <Omega> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml'
[18:48] <brandonj> in a single file
[18:48] <Omega> I don't have the interface dir in /home/omega/.gconf/desktop/gnome/
[18:48] <Silasle> Omega:Which row?
[18:48] <brandonj> instead of reading %gconf.xml, isnt there a python interface to gconf?
[18:48] <Omega> I get that error on launch
[18:49] <MadnessRed> I am not sure, I haven't done much with gconf
[18:49] <MadnessRed> if so it would definately be a better way of doing it
[18:49] <Omega> line 24 calls line 7
[18:49] <MadnessRed> its in get_theme.py
[18:49] <brandonj> python-gconf
[18:53] <MadnessRed> ok, i'll investigate
[18:57] <Muscovy> Is anyone else having trouble pushing to bzr?
[18:57] <Muscovy> Oh wait, it's fine now.
[18:57] <Muscovy> It kept saying 503 error.
[18:57] <Silasle> I had  problems about 2 hours ago too
[18:58] <Silasle> That 503 and  one more
[18:58] <brandonj> sometimes the launchpad servers get a bit slow/overloaded
[18:58] <MadnessRed> brb
[18:59] <Muscovy> I'd like to some sort of titling system for the window.
[19:01] <Muscovy> Like "Ubuntu Tour - Applications menu".
[19:01] <Silasle> Muscovy: Thanks for the idea
[19:02] <Muscovy> I'm perhaps from taking the page file's name, and convert - to ' ' and capitalize it.
[19:02] <Muscovy> Or have a <!-- title:Page Title --> tag.
[19:02] <Muscovy> I assume it doesn't render html comments?
[19:04] <Silasle> I think we can get that whit the tour.page command
[19:04] <Silasle> If i understood MadnessRed right
[19:05] <Muscovy> I confess I haven't given the Python a good read yet.
[19:07] <Silasle> Muscovy: That's done
[19:08] <Silasle> Title is now foldername - Ubuntu-tour
[19:11] <Muscovy> I'm not sure about the - in the name. We called it ubuntu-tour on Launchpad just for readability (no spaces doesn't look quite as nice).
[19:14] <Silasle> So should it be ubuntu-tour, ubuntutour,or ubuntu tour?
[19:14] <Muscovy> Ubuntu Tour I think.
[19:15] <Silasle> Other opinions?
[19:17] <Silasle> I'm for Ubuntu Tour
[19:18] <Omega> Ubuntu Tour
[19:18] <Silasle> Ok, i'm pushing  :D
[19:19] <Muscovy> What's tour.folder?
[19:19] <Silasle> The name of the folder that the current page is in
[19:20] <Muscovy> tour.folder.replace("-", " ") seems to be failing.
[19:20] <Silasle> Why?
[19:21] <Muscovy> I'm not sure. It just uses about-ubuntu or whatever the unmodified folder.tour was.
[19:21] <Silasle> Ah, ok
[19:22] <Muscovy> Wait, found it, I wasn't doing it in all instances.
[19:23] <Silasle> Fixed
[19:23] <Silasle> Pushed
[19:25] <Silasle> I found one more bug when i tried another theme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/492711/
[19:26] <Silasle> It looks really nice whit the standard themes
[19:27] <Muscovy> I can't find a good way to capitalize tour.folder - tour.folder.capitalize() only does the first letter.
[19:28] <Silasle> .capitalize(tour.folder)
[19:28] <Silasle> Whitout the .
[19:29] <Silasle> I'm just guessing...
[19:29] <Muscovy> Not defined.
[19:30] <Silasle> Ah, i remember something
[19:30] <Silasle> try tour.folder.uppercase()
[19:30] <Omega> That makes it all uppercase
[19:31] <Silasle> Wasn't that what you wanted?
[19:31] <Muscovy> ' '.join(i.capitalize() for i in S.split(' ')) works.
[19:31] <Silasle> What do you want to do?
[19:32] <Muscovy> Turn "this is a test" to "This Is A Test"/
[19:32] <Silasle> Ah ok, the first letter in every word
[19:33] <Silasle> I found it
[19:33] <Silasle> tour.folder.title()
[19:34] <Muscovy> Well that's easy.
[19:34] <Silasle> Python is easy
[19:37] <Silasle> Does someone know where the color for the background comes from?
[19:37]  * devildante will work on a command system over the next week
[19:38] <Silasle> Command system?
[19:39] <devildante> Silasle, "command" means like "guide the user through opening software-center from the menu"
[19:39] <Silasle> The arrows pointing at the buttons and things like that?
[19:44] <Silasle> Has any translations been done yet?
[19:46] <Silasle> bbl
[19:48] <devildante> Silasle, arrows?
[20:02] <MadnessRed> hi
[20:03] <MadnessRed> the background colour is read from the gtkrc file
[20:05] <Omega> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ydAS96EQaQ
[20:05] <Omega> We've been video blogged
[20:08] <aprilg> hi everyone
[20:08] <Silasle> devildante: Wasn't the idea to have arrows pointing, "Hey you, here is the system menu" ?
[20:09] <aprilg> quick question. do you guys want the content in plain text, html or some other makrup?
[20:09] <aprilg> *markup
[20:09] <Silasle> MadnessRed: How?
[20:09] <devildante> Silasle, ah, wasn't aware of this
[20:09] <MadnessRed> html please
[20:09] <MadnessRed> but you don't need to do the full page,
[20:10] <devildante> Silasle, but there are other uses, like "wait for update-manager to finish checking for updates"
[20:10] <Silasle> Maybe it was my idea, but i think i saw it somewhere.
[20:10] <devildante> Silasle, so it's more interactive
[20:10] <aprilg> MadnessRed ok.
[20:10] <Silasle> That would be nice, but is it possible?
[20:10] <aprilg> we can start converting the text to html
[20:11] <Silasle> MadnessRed: What color is it that is used?
[20:11] <Silasle> It's not the window background  color
[20:11] <MadnessRed> isn't it?
[20:12] <MadnessRed> it should be the general background colour
[20:12] <MadnessRed> or if it can't find it white
[20:12] <devildante> Silasle, this would probably require hacking other applications to support dbus or something
[20:12] <Silasle> No, my background color is fbfbfb and the color used is d6d6d6
[20:12] <brandonj> Omega: The doodle poll suggests the best time for the meeting is Saturday the 18th at 11AM New York time
[20:13] <MadnessRed> whats that gmt?
[20:13] <Silasle> devildante: I wouldn't hack the update manager :P
[20:13] <brandonj> MadnessRed: 15:00 I think
[20:14] <devildante> Silasle, well, I could hack update-manager, since I'm familiar with it
[20:14] <MadnessRed> ok
[20:14] <Omega> brandonj: What time is it now in new york?
[20:14] <devildante> Silasle, and also software-center and software-properties
[20:14] <Silasle> software-properties?
[20:15] <MadnessRed> I think with the html interface we should just leave it white, and a text background, rather than trying to make it match
[20:15] <devildante> Silasle, "Software Sources"
[20:15] <brandonj> Omega: right now its 15:15
[20:15] <Silasle> devildante: Ok
[20:15] <Omega> Okay.
[20:15] <Silasle> MadnessRed: No, white would look crazy for dark themes
[20:15] <devildante> but not today, I'm a little busy :p
[20:16] <MadnessRed> Silasle, what does xchat look like on a dark theme?
[20:16] <Silasle> I don't know
[20:16] <MadnessRed> kk
[20:17] <MadnessRed> lol, watching the video about us
[20:18] <Silasle>  the color is in desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme/bg_color
[20:27] <MadnessRed> im back, internet died :/
[20:27] <MadnessRed> I'll take some screenshots using nox, see how it looks
[20:27] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Where in the code is the color set?
[20:27] <MadnessRed> tour.py near the bottom
[20:27] <MadnessRed> and the colours are read in get_theme.py
[20:28] <Silasle> I think i have an solution
[20:28] <MadnessRed> go on...
[20:30] <Silasle> For me it seems to work
[20:30] <Billynkid> Ok, am adding some icons to the menu buttons, but am thinking that we might need to have multiple levels in the menus
[20:30] <Billynkid> i.e. being able to group
[20:30] <Billynkid> Firefox under Internet
[20:30] <Silasle> Can you test to replace it whit this :http://paste.ubuntu.com/492731/
[20:31] <Silasle> In tour.py
[20:31] <MadnessRed> Yes Billynkid, I think so too
[20:31] <Silasle> Yes, we need some sort of groups.
[20:31] <Billynkid> I was wondering if we should try modelling along the lines of the software centre?
[20:32] <Billynkid> I think that way maybe as you add apps, people can include the relavent tours?
[20:32] <Billynkid> So it's dynamic
[20:33] <Billynkid> But that would also mean tracking the apps that are installed etc
[20:33] <Silasle> MadnessRed: I'll push my changes up so that you can test if it works.
[20:33] <MadnessRed> ok
[20:34] <Silasle> We can always change back :P
[20:34] <MadnessRed> yh
[20:34] <MadnessRed> I tried with nox and it didn't work
[20:34] <MadnessRed> with my one
[20:35] <MadnessRed> I am waiting to pull yours, let me know when its up
[20:35] <Silasle> what's nox?
[20:35] <Silasle> Up now
[20:35] <MadnessRed> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 150, in <module>
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     Window()
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 146, in __init__
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     tour.load_page('about-ubuntu',0,self)
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "/home/anthony/Projects/Ubuntu Tour/code-development/tour.py", line 142, in load_page
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     gui.html.load_html_string(self.parse_html("Nothing written yet."), 'file://' + os.getcwd())
[20:35] <MadnessRed>   File "/home/anthony/Projects/Ubuntu Tour/code-development/tour.py", line 225, in parse_html
[20:35] <MadnessRed>     bg_color=(c.split("bg_color:#")[1]).split("\n")[0]
[20:35] <MadnessRed> IndexError: list index out of range
[20:35] <jasono> PLease help me, someone.
[20:35] <Silasle> My code?
[20:35] <MadnessRed> I think I know why though
[20:36] <MadnessRed> I think gtk_color_scheme became gtk-color-scheme in maverick
[20:36] <Silasle> I'm in lucid
[20:37] <MadnessRed> no thats not ir
[20:37] <MadnessRed> it#
[20:37] <MadnessRed> I'll do some searching around
[20:38] <Silasle> Run gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme
[20:38] <Silasle> Or whit - instead of _
[20:39] <MadnessRed> no doesn't work either
[20:39] <Silasle> Output?
[20:39] <MadnessRed> I'm gonna try and find the source for the appearance program
[20:39] <MadnessRed> that should show what they are editing
[20:41] <Silasle> It is that one that is being edited.
[20:41] <MadnessRed> but not on maverick
[20:42] <Silasle> Check in gconf-editor
[20:42] <MadnessRed> i did
[20:42] <Silasle> Found something
[20:42] <Silasle> ?
[20:42] <MadnessRed> no
[20:43] <celsojunior> hi
[20:43] <MadnessRed> hi
[20:43] <Silasle> Hi celsojunior
[20:44] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[20:45] <Silasle> Hmm, i don't know where to find it.
[20:45] <celsojunior> Someone from Brazil?
[20:47] <MadnessRed> I have the code for the appearence window
[20:47] <Silasle> Ok, where is it saved?
[20:48] <Muscovy> I'm getting weird crashes in Maverick and Lucid, I assume this is known?
[20:48] <Silasle> I have created an fallback to your system for now, pull
[20:48] <Silasle> Muscovy: Which sort of crashes?
[20:48] <Silasle> IndexError: list index out of range ?
[20:48] <Muscovy> Yes.
[20:49] <Silasle> Pull again
[20:49] <Muscovy> Ok.
[20:49] <MadnessRed> I think I have got an answer
[20:49] <Silasle> Yippie!
[20:49] <Muscovy> :D
[20:49] <MadnessRed> if you have changed the theme colours then they are stored in gconf and should be extracted your way
[20:50] <MadnessRed> if not they are in the theme file, and should be extracted from there
[20:50] <Silasle> As i did now
[20:50] <celsojunior> I wonder if I can already test the Ubuntu Tour
[20:50] <Silasle> celsojunior: You can test an very early version of it.
[20:51] <celsojunior> I wonder if I can already test the Ubuntu Tour?
[20:51] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Muscovy, Working whit that last fix?
[20:51] <MadnessRed> ill pull it now
[20:51] <Muscovy> Silasle: Yep, it's good.
[20:51] <Muscovy> On Lucid, haven't tried Maverick.
[20:51] <Silasle> Nice
[20:53] <gryman> I'm new to contributing to the community and have no idea where to start
[20:53] <MadnessRed> ok, I am gonna move the colours stuff back into get_theme.py
[20:53] <MadnessRed> that way we can work on them without causing conflicts with the rest of the code
[20:54] <MadnessRed> and in hind site, picking bright red as a colour to test was a bid idea
[20:54] <Silasle> I did the same, was an nice desktop :P
[20:54] <MadnessRed> It's my insentive to get it sorted quickly :)
[20:55] <Silasle> gryman: Check what you can do here: http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/
[20:55] <gryman> I can either Author or Edit at this time
[20:55] <gryman> I'm just leaning C++, so I won't be much help with the Python
[20:56] <Silasle> MadnessRed: I get scrollbars at the start page, but not after changing
[20:56] <Muscovy> I'm just making a push that changes the capitalization on the window border.
[20:56] <MadnessRed> scrollbars are automatic, they appear if needed
[20:56] <MadnessRed> or they should anyway
[20:57] <Silasle> They are not needed.
[20:57] <Silasle> Muscovy: Ok, pulling
[20:58] <Silasle> I'm going to bed now, back tomorrow.
[20:58] <Muscovy> Alright, talk to you later.
[20:58] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[20:59] <Muscovy> Weird, that scrollbar is showing at launch.
[21:00] <Silasle> yep
[21:00] <Silasle> looks crazy ;)
[21:05] <Silasle> Ok, i'm of now.
[21:06] <gryman> I think a tour of the office suite is a good idea
[21:07] <Billynkid> Is anyone on the Kubuntu side looking at doing a Kubuntu version
[21:09] <Muscovy> I'm sure we will eventually.
[21:09] <Muscovy> However, we'll probably want to get this stable and have a final UI first.
[21:12] <Muscovy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/636618
[21:12] <Muscovy> You know, an ubuttu would be handy.
[21:12] <Muscovy> ubottu*
[21:13] <MadnessRed> a what?
[21:14] <gryman> You know, a ubottu... They grill a great burger!
[21:14] <Muscovy> It's the freenode bot.
[21:14] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[21:14] <Muscovy> You can give it triggers to react to.
[21:15] <Muscovy> Like listing bug reports and descriptions and so on.
[21:15] <MadnessRed> I'll be back, in a bit, gtg, can you avoid editing get_theme.py as I am half way through re-writing it
[21:15] <Muscovy> Sure.
[21:16] <Muscovy> Can anyone think of any changes the website should have?
[21:29] <gryman> Is en supposed to be American English, British English, or a combination of the two?
[21:29] <Muscovy> American I believe.
[21:30] <gryman> Ok, because the word organise is bothering me, but apparently 60% of British prefer ise instead of ize
[21:30] <gryman> :)
[21:53] <Billynkid> gryman we do
[21:53] <Billynkid> and colour
[21:53] <gryman> hehe
[21:54] <gryman> Well, since Americans are always right, I changed it to ize
[21:54] <gryman> :P
[21:55] <Billynkid> lol
[21:55] <Muscovy> The Canadian in me is simmering. XD
[21:55] <gryman> hahaha
[21:56] <gryman> It's aboot time, eh?
[21:57] <Billynkid> Do Canadian's simmer? Wow!
[21:57] <Billynkid> ;-)
[21:58] <gryman> I figured if I tried to add Python code you'd guys would get mad at me, so instead you can be mad about my spelling choices.
[21:58] <gryman> :)
[21:58] <Crisco> xD
[21:59] <Crisco> Canadians are just adapted Americans
[22:00] <gryman> haha
[22:01] <gryman> And I think my switch is acting up as my NAS disappeared.
[22:11] <kandrex_> Hello to everybody! I'm glad to join this proyect
[22:11] <gryman> Hello
[22:11] <Crisco> switch
[22:11] <Crisco> ?
[22:12] <kandrex_> let me introduce myself, my name is Carlos and i'm from Venezuela
[22:12] <gryman> Does music purchased from the UbuntuOne store count against your total storage?
[22:12] <gryman> I understand that you can go over the 2gb's of free storage with purchased music, but I'm unclear on if any/all music counts against your storage
[22:12] <Crisco> I wouldn't think so
[22:13] <kandrex_> so, i would like colaborate as a translator
[22:13] <Crisco> so I forgot is this going to be in a compiled language or interpretive language?
[22:13] <Crisco> I know a bit of python but I'm learning C++
[22:14] <gryman> I think the tour is PyGTK
[22:14] <Crisco> okay
[22:14] <gryman> I'm learning C++ as well, but my Python knowledge is minimal
[22:14] <gryman> I'm sticking to authoring and editing
[22:19] <gryman> How does the tour know the categories?
[22:19] <Crisco> is this going to be compatible with Ubuntu based distro's like Mint?
[22:23] <Billynkid> Crisco: I think it could be eventually
[22:24] <Billynkid> Crisco: I think the focus is on vanilla Ubuntu right now
[22:28] <Crisco> vanilla == plain?
[22:30] <Billynkid> Yes, when I say focus though no real blueprint documents exist as this project is only a few days old
[22:31] <Billynkid> I am adding new ideas to the blueprint page under launchpad right now.
[22:31] <Billynkid> I think that would be the best idea
[22:35] <kandrex> Hey I've a few questions. Who can help?
[22:36] <Muscovy> I can, kandrex.
[22:39] <kandrex> This is the first time that I colaborated in a proyect, so I'd like how can I start the translation to spanish
[22:40] <Muscovy> Unfortunately, we don't have translation plans in place right now, because we've not finished writing the guide.
[22:41] <Muscovy> We don't want translators to constantly update their languages.
[22:41] <Muscovy> Maybe stick around, I'm sure someone knows more than I do on the matter.
[22:42] <kandrex> Mmmm... but in the launchpad it looks like there are a brazilian translation on course
[22:44] <gryman> Eventually we'll want the tour translated into any and all languages
[22:44] <Muscovy> Hmm, so there are.
[22:44] <gryman> I don't see how the translation can be going on at the same time as main content being added
[22:44] <Muscovy> You're perfectly welcome to start translating now, but keep in mind the translations _will_ need a lot of updates.
[22:45] <kandrex> no problem with that
[22:48] <kandrex> but as I said before I would like to know how the procedure is to begin the translation or where can i find information about that
[22:51] <Muscovy> Each section contains language folders.
[22:51] <Muscovy> For example, en and en_CA.
[22:52] <Muscovy> The folder with no '_' is the default of that language. In en's case it's US English.
[22:52] <Muscovy> The '_' ones are variations of the language.
[22:53] <Muscovy> Inside the appropriate folder, place the translated files.
[22:53] <Muscovy> We'll have a better system eventually. :P
[22:53] <gryman> Should I make commits often, or wait until I'm completely done with my adding of content?
[22:53] <Muscovy> gryman: What are you working on?
[22:53] <gryman> Authoring/Editing
[22:54] <Muscovy> Moderately frequently I guess.
[22:54] <Muscovy> We want to avoid collisions.
[22:54] <gryman> yeah
[22:54] <Muscovy> If I edit Firefox and you edit OpenOffice, we can merge them easily.
[22:54] <gryman> What's the bzr command to commit?
[22:54] <gryman> Same as svn?
[22:54] <Muscovy> bzr commit -m "Message"
[22:54] <gryman> ok
[22:55] <Muscovy> The more files you edit, the more often you'll want to commit.
[22:56] <gryman> Ok, all commited now
[22:57] <wojtekk> Hi, I also have question. I should work on branch:  lp:ubuntu-tour? Or  lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development?
[22:58] <wojtekk> I'm translator
[22:58] <wojtekk> (new)
[22:58] <Muscovy> wojtekk: lp:ubuntu-tour.
[22:58] <wojtekk> thx
[22:58] <Muscovy> The other one is for code.
[22:59] <kandrex> Ok, I already have the branch, So Will I have to create a new folder like "es_LA" (Latinoamerican Espanish) for example and then copy the txt's of the default "en" folder and begin the translation?
[23:00] <gryman> yeah
[23:00] <kandrex> *Spanish
[23:02] <MadnessRed> hi all, I got the theme detection sorted, nearly
[23:02] <Muscovy> Oh good. :D
[23:02] <MadnessRed> only problem, is I am getting this: <body style="background-color:#FFFF00001212; color:#EEEEEEEEECEC;">
[23:03] <MadnessRed> so I need to write a quick script to convert it to 256 colours
[23:03] <Muscovy> Is that including alpha?
[23:04] <MadnessRed> no, its giving 16^4 colours, not 16^2
[23:04] <MadnessRed> #FFF = #FFFFFF = #FFFFFFFFFFFF
[23:04] <Muscovy> I've got a random rgb/hex converter, want the script?
[23:05] <MadnessRed> urm, ok
[23:06] <MadnessRed> actually
[23:06] <Muscovy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/492796/
[23:06] <kandrex> Are there some kind of standards before uploadind the changes that I do?
[23:06] <gryman> Don't mess it up
[23:06] <gryman> :P
[23:06] <Muscovy> That just about covers it.
[23:06] <MadnessRed> make sure it works first
[23:07] <gryman> Is the language auto-detected?
[23:07] <MadnessRed> yes
[23:07] <gryman> Ok
[23:07] <gryman> I'm writing the Network tour right now
[23:07] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[23:10] <MadnessRed> actually Muscovy I think it can be done with splices
[23:12] <MadnessRed> if len(l[1]) = 13:
[23:12] <MadnessRed> 				l[1] = l[1][0:3] + l[1][5:7] + l[1][9:11]
[23:12] <MadnessRed> that should be == in the if
[23:13] <MadnessRed> woo it works :)
[23:13] <Muscovy> :D
[23:14] <MadnessRed> now I can get rid of this garish red :)
[23:18] <Muscovy> I've got issues with starting revision 40.
[23:19] <gryman> Was?
[23:19] <MadnessRed> what?
[23:19] <MadnessRed> was ist los?
[23:19] <gryman> Ja, was ist los?
[23:19] <Muscovy> Nope.
[23:19] <Muscovy> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme'
[23:19] <Muscovy> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:19] <Muscovy>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 152, in <module>
[23:19] <Muscovy>     Window()
[23:19] <Muscovy>   File "./ubuntu-tour.py", line 146, in __init__
[23:19] <Muscovy>     tour.load_page('about-ubuntu',0,self)
[23:19] <Muscovy>   File "/home/alex/Desktop/code-development/tour.py", line 142, in load_page
[23:20] <Muscovy>     gui.html.load_html_string(self.parse_html("Nothing written yet."), 'file://' + os.getcwd())
[23:20] <Muscovy>   File "/home/alex/Desktop/code-development/tour.py", line 223, in parse_html
[23:20] <Muscovy>     start = start.replace('{{BACK-COLOUR}}', self.colours['bg_color'].upper())
[23:20] <Muscovy> KeyError: 'bg_color'
[23:20] <MadnessRed> odd?
[23:20] <MadnessRed> get you run get_theme.py
[23:21] <MadnessRed> tell me what the terminal output of that is
[23:21] <Muscovy> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme'
[23:21] <Muscovy> The path ends for me at /desktop/gnome/interface
[23:22] <MadnessRed> ok
[23:26] <MadnessRed> gonna push again, see if that works
[23:27] <MadnessRed> kk
[23:34] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: Since we're using webkit, are we just going to use html to insert images?
[23:35] <MadnessRed> yh
[23:35] <MadnessRed> but the html files act like they are in the same dirctory as ubuntu-tour.py
[23:36] <MadnessRed> ok, pushed a fix to bzr
[23:36] <MadnessRed> revision 41
[23:37] <Muscovy> I wonder why that one failed?
[23:37] <Muscovy> Because I tested it on Maverick too.
[23:37] <Muscovy> Ooh!
[23:37] <Muscovy> Works now.
[23:39] <MadnessRed> I did an elif where I meant if
[23:40] <Crisco> heh
[23:40] <Crisco> that messes up everything doesn't it
[23:41] <MadnessRed> well I meant to do several tests, by doing if, then if again with the same conditions, until it gave up
[23:41] <MadnessRed> but I put elifs, so it did't even give up, it just returned nothing
[23:42] <Muscovy> Any objections if I toss the latest writing into the code branch?
[23:42] <MadnessRed> not by me
[23:44] <gryman> Can I commit networks?
[23:44] <gryman> I added a bit there
[23:44] <Muscovy> Sure.
[23:45] <gryman> ok, one sec
[23:45] <gryman> what is it to add a dir?
[23:45] <Muscovy> bzr add to add new files.
[23:46] <Muscovy> I suppose that's to prevent compiled data from being uploaded accidentally.
[23:46] <gryman> sorry, there's just so many versioning systems
[23:46] <gryman> lol
[23:46] <MadnessRed> I know
[23:46] <gryman> Ok
[23:47] <gryman> Networks should be added now
[23:47] <gryman> and commited
[23:47] <MadnessRed> ok kl
[23:48] <Muscovy> Updated content is committed to the dev branch.
[23:51] <MadnessRed> you just wiped out portuguese brazilian
[23:51] <Muscovy> Me?
[23:52] <MadnessRed> the latest revision deleted it
[23:53] <gryman> Was it me?
[23:53] <MadnessRed> dunno
[23:53] <MadnessRed> i think it can be fixed easily, dw
[23:53] <Muscovy> dev branch or normal?
[23:54] <MadnessRed> dev branch
[23:54] <Muscovy> That's odd, I see them locally.
[23:54] <MadnessRed> do bzr add
[23:54] <MadnessRed> and commit
[23:56] <MadnessRed> anyway im off, be back tomorrow