/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/13/#kubuntu-devel.txt

* ScottK waves to shtylman.00:03
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shtylmanScottK: waves back00:52
ScottKshadeslayer: How've you been?00:52
ScottKOops00:52
ScottKshtylman: ^^^00:52
shtylmanScottK: beed pretty good... lots of worked... and just moved apartments00:53
shtylman*work00:53
shtylmanyourself?00:53
ScottKNot bad.00:53
ScottKRelease seems to be coming together reasonably well.00:53
shtylmangood to hear00:54
ScottKStill needs work on faster startup ....00:54
shtylmanScottK: I imagine so ...00:54
shtylmanprobly got slower with 4.5?00:54
ScottKYeah, I think so, although I haven't timed it.00:55
ScottK(been too busy with other stuff)00:55
shtylmanI kinda gave up on the kde interface for now :( ... switched to a tiling window manager00:59
shtylmangot tired of "managing" my desktop elements00:59
shtylmanneeded to actually get work done :)00:59
ScottKSigh.01:03
shtylmanyea.. I dunno01:11
shtylmanjust got tired of my machine being slower for no reason01:11
EagleScreen_hello guys01:44
EagleScreen_please take a look at this bug in bluedevil, and try to get that fix in Kubuntu https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25090201:45
ubottuKDE bug 250902 in General "Crashed when going to receive a file from a Nokia cell phone" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]01:45
lex79EagleScreen_: upstream said it's fixed in master, we will get it before feauture freeze in the new version of bluedevil02:15
EagleScreen_perfect02:15
lex79*final freeze02:15
lex79:)02:15
ryanakcaAnybody know where I can find the source for the CD wallet artwork? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing/#10.04 LTS artwork02:18
JontheEchidnagrah03:13
JontheEchidnaplasmoidviewer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_quickaccess.so: undefined symbol: _ZN13KonqPopupMenuC1ERK13KFileItemListRK4KUrlR17KActionCollectionP8KNewMenuj6QFlagsIN6KParts16BrowserExtension9PopupFlagEEP7QWidgetP16KBookmarkManagerRK4QMapI7QString5QListIP7QActionEE03:13
JontheEchidnamust've broken ABI03:13
ryanakcaCould someone give me some feedback on http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kubuntu-flier.png please?03:24
lex79very nice ryanakca :)03:25
ryanakcaTarget audience: university students03:25
ryanakcalex79: Thanks. I'm not sure about the phrasing in the last paragraph03:26
lex79I'm not an expert of English :P but looks good to me03:27
ryanakcaOK :)03:28
* shadeslayer packages rekonq 0.613:58
debfxeven the blur effect works with mesa 7.9 :D14:34
ScottKdebfx: Yep.14:36
debfxI just hope it gets approved for maverick14:37
shadeslayerScottK: can you upload rekonq 0.6 once im through with the package?14:37
ScottKapachelogger_: Are you able to look at the kde4libs change the bluedevil guys suggested (see kubuntu-devel ML).14:38
ScottKshadeslayer: Is there an approved FFe?14:38
shadeslayerScottK: we have 0.5.80 .. dont think we need a ffe for 0.614:38
ScottKIt's bugfix only?14:38
shadeslayeraye14:38
ScottKOK.14:38
ScottKMaybe.14:38
debfxScottK: currently the Qt docs in QtAssistant looks like this in maverick: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/secure/attachment/15567/assistant.JPG (even though that screenshot is from windows)14:40
debfxthe problem is that QtAssistant needs QtWebkit to render the docs14:41
ScottKOK.  How to we get it to do that?14:41
debfxthe only solution I see is to put the dev tools in an own source package14:42
debfxotherwise we would introduce a circular build-dependency14:42
ScottKOK.  14:43
shadeslayerdebfx: it *isnt* supposed to look like that? i thought that, that was the default behaviour and found it odd :D14:43
ScottKdebfx: If you can coordinate with fabo on the preferred solution for Debian/Ubuntu then I think we should go ahead.  If I don't upload it, I can push it through binary New pretty quickly.14:44
debfxshadeslayer: no, it's supposed to look like the html docs on http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/14:45
shadeslayeroic14:45
EagleScreen_kubuntu-desktop should depends on: kde-config-touchpad | kde-config-synaptiks14:58
ScottKNo.  It shouldn't.  We should pick one and go with it.14:59
EagleScreen_I am forced to use kde-config-touchpad in order to can apply kubuntu-desktop updates15:00
EagleScreen_kde-config-synaptiks is better than the other, anyone dudes it?15:01
shadeslayernever tried either15:01
EagleScreen_I tried both and synaptiks is really better15:02
EagleScreen_OpenSUSE and Debian ahve already switched to synaptiks15:02
ScottKWe had a plan to switch from one to the other this cycle.  I don't recall if it happened or not or which way we were switching.15:02
EagleScreen_you should follow them15:02
shadeslayerScottK: rekonq package incoming on https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental15:03
ScottKshadeslayer: minus points for edge urls.15:03
shadeslayer^_^15:04
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EagleScreen_therefore, are you going to switch to synaptiks? you only have to change a few dependencies in kubuntu-desktop package, isn't it?15:05
EagleScreen_and.. promote it to main?15:06
shadeslayerok so im off for a bit, will be back in a few hours15:07
ScottKEagleScreen_: We won't do it for this release.  We'd look at it again for the next one.  We lack people to do the work, not people telling us what work needs to be done.15:08
EagleScreen_ScottK: too late to be done due to policies?15:09
ScottKEagleScreen_: Yes.  It's not very smart to switch out components three days before final freeze.15:09
EagleScreen_I understand15:10
ScottKEagleScreen_: Also it's a recommends of kubuntu-desktop so you can change it post install yourself without having to remove kubuntu-desktop.15:10
EagleScreen_sure, but Kpackagekit want to remove kde-config-synaptiks and to re-install kde-config-touchpad if there is any kubuntu-desktop upgrade15:12
dantti_workRiddell: aptcc now has a Fonts group can you push the patch?15:12
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ScottKShouldn't be a problem post-release.15:16
ScottKshadeslayer: Why do we have debian-changes-0.6.0-0ubuntu1?  And better yet, why isn't it documented in debian/changelog?15:16
rbelemScottK, hi15:17
rbelemmorning15:17
ScottKrbelem: Hello.15:17
rbelem:-)15:17
EagleScreen_yes, I supose that very few (or none) kubuntu-desktop updates are expected in a stable release15:17
ScottKEagleScreen_: I remember it happening once in the last several years.15:17
EagleScreen_then it could be a problem post-release, but a low importance problem15:18
rbelemScottK, i did not manage to finish yesterday that backport patch. it is a little bit more difficult than i thought15:18
ScottKOK.  Any chance today?15:19
rbelemScottK, yup, i think that today i will finish it15:19
ScottKGreat.15:19
lex79afiestas_: hola :) ping16:20
lex79ScottK: libgcal and akonadi-googledata are not uploaded, who can upload them ? ubuntu release team?16:24
ScottKlex79: Anyone can upload if the FFe is approved.16:25
ScottK(anyone with upload rights that is)16:25
lex79you acked both iirc16:25
lex79yes it is16:26
ScottKI think so, so you can upload.16:26
lex79ScottK: they are in universe, I don't have upload rights yet16:27
ScottKOh.  right.16:27
ScottKForgot.  You're the only kubuntu-dev who isn't also motu.16:27
ScottKlex79: Those are sync's right?16:28
lex79nope, new upstream release16:28
* rgreening remembers he should request kubuntu-dev at next meeting16:28
rgreeningor request a meeting I mean... and put an app up...16:28
ScottKrgreening: Can you sponsor those?16:29
rgreeningI can16:29
rgreeningwhat's the app16:29
rgreeningpackage..16:29
lex79bug 63344216:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633442 in akonadi-googledata (Ubuntu) "[FFe] akonadi-googledata 1.2.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63344216:29
rgreeninglooking16:29
lex79bug 63343416:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 633434 in libgcal (Ubuntu) "[FFe] libgcal 0.9.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63343416:29
rgreeningok. let me testbuild and see how that goes.16:32
lex79rgreening: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa16:33
rgreeningah. even better16:33
rgreeningty lex79.16:33
lex79rgreening: but grab the packages from launchpad not from my ppa, since in my ppa I didn't close the bug16:34
lex79I mean didn't close the bug in changelog 16:34
rgreeningok16:34
rgreeninggot it16:35
lex79thanks16:35
rgreeningnp16:35
lex79:)16:35
ScottKClosing the bug in changelog is currently broken in LP anyway.16:38
ScottKYou'll still have to close bugs by hand.16:39
sheytanHey guys ;)16:39
sheytanis phonon-vlc by default?16:39
ScottKsheytan: No.16:40
rgreeninglex79: reviewing diffs now and updating bugs. will upload shortly.16:46
lex79thanks rgreening :)16:49
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rgreeninglex79: packages sent to upload queue.17:09
rgreeningScottK:  ^17:09
ScottKrgreening: Thanks.17:10
rgreeningnp17:11
lex79rgreening: thanks17:14
rgreening:)17:15
rgreeninghappy to help.17:15
rgreeningScottK: if there are any others packages requiring sponsorship for MOTU, fire them at me. I'll do what I can while I have some free time. thanks.17:18
ScottKWill do17:18
rgreeninglex79: ty for your contribution :)17:25
lex79np :P17:25
* rgreening forgot to say so :P17:25
ScottKrgreening: LP closing bugs in changelog is currently broken.  You'll need to --> Fix Released the bugs yourself.17:25
rgreeningScottK: yeah. saw that. I'll watch for the build. then update.17:25
ScottKOK17:26
ScottKrgreening: You might have a look at qtmobility and see if we want the newer one in Debian (I suspect we do).17:32
rgreeningI'll have a look17:33
ScottKThanks.17:34
rgreeningfabo: thoughts on qtmobility from Debian in Maverick? Forsee any issues in updating?17:35
rgreeningif not, I'll make the request to update.17:35
ScottKrgreening: There is an Ubuntu diff you'll need to check if we ought to maintain17:36
rgreeningokies17:36
ScottKWhoever was doing docbook fixes earlier in the cycle, kwave needs some help.17:39
afiestas_lex79: hola17:42
afiestas_ereslibre is away at least until Friday :/17:42
lex79hola afiestas_ :) ah :(17:42
lex79did you see my merge requests?17:42
lex79do we need ereslibre? :)17:43
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oxymoronIs it valid to complain on a non-stable release even if its beta state?18:23
ScottKDepends on what the complain is.18:24
oxymoronScottK: That Kubuntu beta1 doesnt have working screen resolution, screwed up java, my BankID, Dolphin crashes all the time, Kwin is hopeless and so on.18:25
ScottKoxymoron: What kind of video do you have?18:26
oxymoronScottK: Video?18:27
ScottKGraphics card18:27
oxymoronScottK: nVidia 7950GT18:28
ScottKUsing proprietary drivers or free?18:29
oxymoronAnd yes I have nvidia drivers installed. It was working earlier before installed beta.18:29
oxymoronIll check.18:29
oxymoronI am using proprietary and Jockey says it works correct and is activated ... uhum NOT xD18:30
ScottKNot activated?18:30
oxymoronScottK: "I am using proprietary and Jockey says it works correct and is activated"18:30
ScottKOK.18:31
oxymoronI am so tired of Winblows, Crapple OS X and also Linux. None of them just WORKS out of the box 24/7 all year long. It doesnt matter if I dont update anything or do it, theres always a problem. No one provide a complete working solution for my computer.18:32
ScottKCurrently on Maverick we are having a lot of mesa related issues and are planning to update before release.18:33
ScottKIIRC that wouldn't explain your problem.18:33
oxymoronScottK: Do you know why these problem appeared just in Maverick release?18:41
oxymoronScottK: I would like to know why so huge problem just suddenly apear from nowhere. Theres not huge changes from Lucid to Maverick I think :P18:42
ScottKoxymoron: No, but I'm also not having the same kinds of problems you are having in Maverick.18:43
yofeloxymoron, well, we have a new Xserver, that counts as a huge enough change IMHO18:43
ScottKYep18:44
oxymoronScottK: True, but that feels almost worse how wide spreaded and dynamic bugs and errors is. Most programmers seem to use old hardware and people like me using latest usually have to wait.18:44
oxymoronyofel: 1.8?18:44
yofelScottK, about scribus-ng: I was busy and couldn't file the FFe yet, will do so in a few hours18:44
yofelno, 1.918:44
ScottKyofel: Cool.  I uploaded it to my PPA for testing in the mean time.18:45
oxymoronyofel: Alright, what kind of changes in the new version? :) Anything worth hurry for? :P18:45
ScottKoxymoron: If Lucid is working for you, then I wouldn't worry about upgrading.18:45
oxymoronScottK: Uhm not sure if Lucid worked to get my iPhone 4 work flawless in Amarok. Then I walso was curious to see if other problems was solved, like PulseAudio.18:46
oxymoronBut STILL no programmers care about fix the freaking OPENGL problem, QT framework and Cairo Dock issue.18:46
oxymoronWhen running Cairo Dock with OpenGL something with RRGB protocol changes and I get transparent video frames in ALL multimedia players.18:47
oxymoronIts a known bug since several versions ago but nobody cares.18:47
shadeslayerScottK: thats because we have a rule in debian/rules that adds pot files for translations18:47
ScottKshadeslayer: OK.18:47
shadeslayerthats documented by Riddell in the last changelog18:47
oxymoronSometimes the words "Do I need to do it myself once again" feels precise.18:48
oxymoronAnd then everytime you upgrade from one version to another, package conflicts and broken packages appear. I never got a smooth upgrade. The only thing that seems to work is todo clean install. Thats the same on Apple and Windows, you need to format and redo install to make it work as it should. Thats sad and I would say incompetent programmers who cannot make things back and forwardcompatible packages.18:52
oxymoronReverse engineer or whatever, people just want things to work.18:52
ScottKoxymoron: We normally do a lot of upgrade path testing, but it's hard to test every package combination.18:54
oxymoronScottK: If made properly it shouldnt matter package combination or computer system ;) I am sure its possible to make it work hybrid in general for everyone.18:55
oxymoronThen mostly settings disappear and more parameters break config files and so on.18:55
ScottKoxymoron: As the Debian package management system currently works, it's not possible to do that.  18:56
oxymoronWHich usually end up for me having a freaked up system and dont understand where the problem is.18:56
ScottKAt least for KDE, settings related problems on upgrade are upstream issues.18:56
oxymoronScottK: Well, time to make Debian package system some new love? Or why not create a new one for Kubuntu ONLY? :P18:56
ScottKThat's not a trivial problem to solve.18:57
oxymoronIndependent settings isolated from each other and package indepency :P18:57
ScottKWhat happens when files move between packages?18:57
oxymoronNo problem is trivial, then it wouldnt be a problem ;)18:57
oxymoronScottK: Why should files move between packages at all? Why not just export old settings from one package, remove old files and then install the new files?18:58
oxymoronPeople are just to lazy to provide new solutions, they stick with the old things. IMO programmers doesnt even care to make their own software IDEs work better so they can programming faster, why would they make it easier for end users :P18:59
oxymoronVersion handling sucks, Git is way to complex. MUCH better than Subverison, but it doesnt say its good. Its like saying democracy is the best option, but it doesnt mean its nice :P19:00
oxymoronBut I wont bother to care anymore, I just accept people in general are incompetent lazy beings cannot provide anything decent to human mankind to take us forward.19:03
oxymoronI stick to music, passion, love and real life instead19:03
ScottKSput: The ignore list is a lovely feature.  Thanks.19:04
SputScottK: you're welcome, it was muchly requested too19:07
* Sput also wonders why people have the time to complain, but not the time to make things better19:08
shadeslayerScottK: soo... will you upload rekonq?19:08
ScottKshadeslayer: I think so.  Need to look at it again in a bit.19:08
shadeslayerok .. thanks :D19:09
* oxymoron wonders why people have time to make things that doesnt work when they can do it work from the beginning so people dont have to complain :P19:09
* yofel notes that all 3 of his nvidia machines work perfectly fine with maverick19:11
ScottKyofel: scribus-ng seems OK here based on a casual test.19:18
yofelScottK: I did a ppa upload too and it seems fine to me too, and I think we don't need a too in-depth test since -ng is the devel version anyway19:18
ScottKyofel: Please file the FFe and then ping me.19:20
yofelsure, I'm reading the FFe page right now, fist time I'm filing one19:21
ScottKWell the release version is very old and still Qt3, so I think a lot of people use -ng.19:21
ScottKGreat.19:21
yofelagreed19:21
oxymoronIs it possible to revert backwarsd to earlier packages? Like go back to earlier Amarok version and Lucid?19:47
shadeslayer!downgrade19:48
ubottuAttempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.19:48
lex79shadeslayer: rekonq package is ready?19:48
shadeslayerlex79: its in my PPA19:48
macooxymoron: dpkg --force-downgrade19:48
smarter_or just sudo aptitude install mypackage=versionofthepackage19:48
oxymoronlol, It broke my system wehn upgrading ... So it will be even worse? :D19:49
lex79shadeslayer: is it suitable to upload?19:49
shadeslayerlex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental19:49
lex79oh ok19:49
shadeslayerlex79: lemme install it and see19:49
lex79thanks19:49
lex79shadeslayer: why you removed kubuntu_01 _02 and _03 ?19:54
lex79there is debian-changes-0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (1.9 MB)19:54
lex79I don't like that :)19:54
shadeslayerlex79: ok so the first 3 are forwarded upstream19:55
shadeslayerthe last one is because we have a rule to import pot files19:55
shadeslayer( as documented in the last changelog19:55
shadeslayerlex79: it installs and works19:56
lex79ok19:56
lex79I will upload then19:56
shadeslayerthanks!19:56
lex79next time write in changelog why you are removing patches :)19:57
shadeslayerlex79: actually they should have been dropped in the last release, instead i just commented them out in the series file19:58
lex79shadeslayer: ok sorry :)19:59
shadeslayerScottK: could you also check if CNN videos work after 0.6 release ? :D20:00
shadeslayerthey work for me20:00
shadeslayerand bbc.co.uk works also20:02
shadeslayerlex79: it was actually my fault.. so sorry :D20:05
lex79np20:05
shadeslayerim off to sleep.. cya 20:05
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lex79night shadeslayer, uploaded20:08
shadeslayerthanks20:08
ScottKshadeslayer: Will do.20:13
sheytanHey21:11
sheytanis finall freeze this friday?21:12
yofelthursday I think (16th)21:13
yofelright, 16th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule21:13
sheytanok, thanks ;)21:14
ScottKsheytan: It's the start of Thursday too, not the end.21:16
sheytanScottK i'm only asking couse i'm about to dload a daily build, and was wondering if there will be a 2nd beta release after the freeze :)21:17
ScottKNo second beta.  That was just for Lucid because it was an LTS.21:18
sheytanok, thanks :)21:18
afiestas_lex79: libbluedevil is ereslibre terrytory :/21:41
afiestas_I can tell him to take a look, but is all I can do21:42
lex79afiestas_: ok thanks :)21:43
lex79ScottK: btw libbluedevil should be in binary new soon21:43
lex79only on i38621:43
ScottKlex79: OK.  Ping me when it is.21:43
lex79ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbluedevil/1.8-0ubuntu121:44
lex79already in binary new21:44
* ScottK looks21:45
lex79bbl21:51
ScottKlex79: I won't block accepting on this, but there is a /usr/share/doc/libbluedevil-doc/html file that shoulnd't be there.21:59
ScottKlex79: There is also some /usr/share/doc/libbludevil/doc stuff in libbluedevil-dev that shouldn't be there.22:01
ScottKlex79: Accepted, but that stuff does need to get cleaned up.22:02
CIA-116jmthomas * 1175014 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 1.0.2 release22:32
JontheEchidnahaha22:35
JontheEchidna"Fetching of the whole freaking source tree failed."22:35
ScottKJontheEchidna: There's a gtk2-engines-qtcurve NMU that was just uploaded to Debian.  Would you please have a look and see if we want it for maverick?22:36
JontheEchidnaknow where I can find it?22:37
ScottKJontheEchidna: Debian Unstable22:39
JontheEchidnaIt's not showing up on incoming.debian.org, the PTS page for the package or on p.d.o22:39
ScottKHmmm22:39
JontheEchidnaand pull-debian-source is still at 1.5.2-122:40
ScottKJontheEchidna: It was uploaded to delay/2.  NMU diff is in the bug.  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=59052122:40
ubottuDebian bug 590521 in gtk2-engines-qtcurve "gtk2-engines-qtcurve: modifies iceweasel configuration file" [Serious,Open]22:40
ScottKSorry about that.22:40
JontheEchidnahmm, it's a policy violation. nobody's complained but I suppose we should fix it22:41
* ScottK wishes akregrator had an ignore feature.22:42
ScottKCool.  Would you take care of it?22:42
JontheEchidnasure22:43
ScottKThanks.22:48
yofelScottK: I'm not sure what to put as 'what you have tested to verify that it works' as a lot has changed, but here anyway: bug 63762723:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 637627 in scribus-ng (Ubuntu) "FFe: please sync scribus-ng 1.3.8.dfsg-1.1 from debian/unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63762723:16
ScottKyofel: Thanks.  Looking.23:16
ScottKshadeslayer: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/still_bad_rekonq - same video plays on chromium23:32
lex79ScottK: It's correct have those files,I followed what Debian did with libsoprano23:54

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