[00:03]  * ScottK waves to shtylman.
[00:52] <shtylman> ScottK: waves back
[00:52] <ScottK> shadeslayer: How've you been?
[00:52] <ScottK> Oops
[00:52] <ScottK> shtylman: ^^^
[00:53] <shtylman> ScottK: beed pretty good... lots of worked... and just moved apartments
[00:53] <shtylman> *work
[00:53] <shtylman> yourself?
[00:53] <ScottK> Not bad.
[00:53] <ScottK> Release seems to be coming together reasonably well.
[00:54] <shtylman> good to hear
[00:54] <ScottK> Still needs work on faster startup ....
[00:54] <shtylman> ScottK: I imagine so ...
[00:54] <shtylman> probly got slower with 4.5?
[00:55] <ScottK> Yeah, I think so, although I haven't timed it.
[00:55] <ScottK> (been too busy with other stuff)
[00:59] <shtylman> I kinda gave up on the kde interface for now :( ... switched to a tiling window manager
[00:59] <shtylman> got tired of "managing" my desktop elements
[00:59] <shtylman> needed to actually get work done :)
[01:03] <ScottK> Sigh.
[01:11] <shtylman> yea.. I dunno
[01:11] <shtylman> just got tired of my machine being slower for no reason
[01:44] <EagleScreen_> hello guys
[01:45] <EagleScreen_> please take a look at this bug in bluedevil, and try to get that fix in Kubuntu https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250902
[02:15] <lex79> EagleScreen_: upstream said it's fixed in master, we will get it before feauture freeze in the new version of bluedevil
[02:15] <EagleScreen_> perfect
[02:15] <lex79> *final freeze
[02:15] <lex79> :)
[02:18] <ryanakca> Anybody know where I can find the source for the CD wallet artwork? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing/#10.04 LTS artwork
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> grah
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> plasmoidviewer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_quickaccess.so: undefined symbol: _ZN13KonqPopupMenuC1ERK13KFileItemListRK4KUrlR17KActionCollectionP8KNewMenuj6QFlagsIN6KParts16BrowserExtension9PopupFlagEEP7QWidgetP16KBookmarkManagerRK4QMapI7QString5QListIP7QActionEE
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> must've broken ABI
[03:24] <ryanakca> Could someone give me some feedback on http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kubuntu-flier.png please?
[03:25] <lex79> very nice ryanakca :)
[03:25] <ryanakca> Target audience: university students
[03:26] <ryanakca> lex79: Thanks. I'm not sure about the phrasing in the last paragraph
[03:27] <lex79> I'm not an expert of English :P but looks good to me
[03:28] <ryanakca> OK :)
[13:58]  * shadeslayer packages rekonq 0.6
[14:34] <debfx> even the blur effect works with mesa 7.9 :D
[14:36] <ScottK> debfx: Yep.
[14:37] <debfx> I just hope it gets approved for maverick
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you upload rekonq 0.6 once im through with the package?
[14:38] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Are you able to look at the kde4libs change the bluedevil guys suggested (see kubuntu-devel ML).
[14:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is there an approved FFe?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: we have 0.5.80 .. dont think we need a ffe for 0.6
[14:38] <ScottK> It's bugfix only?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> aye
[14:38] <ScottK> OK.
[14:38] <ScottK> Maybe.
[14:40] <debfx> ScottK: currently the Qt docs in QtAssistant looks like this in maverick: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/secure/attachment/15567/assistant.JPG (even though that screenshot is from windows)
[14:41] <debfx> the problem is that QtAssistant needs QtWebkit to render the docs
[14:41] <ScottK> OK.  How to we get it to do that?
[14:42] <debfx> the only solution I see is to put the dev tools in an own source package
[14:42] <debfx> otherwise we would introduce a circular build-dependency
[14:43] <ScottK> OK.  
[14:43] <shadeslayer> debfx: it *isnt* supposed to look like that? i thought that, that was the default behaviour and found it odd :D
[14:44] <ScottK> debfx: If you can coordinate with fabo on the preferred solution for Debian/Ubuntu then I think we should go ahead.  If I don't upload it, I can push it through binary New pretty quickly.
[14:45] <debfx> shadeslayer: no, it's supposed to look like the html docs on http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/
[14:45] <shadeslayer> oic
[14:58] <EagleScreen_> kubuntu-desktop should depends on: kde-config-touchpad | kde-config-synaptiks
[14:59] <ScottK> No.  It shouldn't.  We should pick one and go with it.
[15:00] <EagleScreen_> I am forced to use kde-config-touchpad in order to can apply kubuntu-desktop updates
[15:01] <EagleScreen_> kde-config-synaptiks is better than the other, anyone dudes it?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> never tried either
[15:02] <EagleScreen_> I tried both and synaptiks is really better
[15:02] <EagleScreen_> OpenSUSE and Debian ahve already switched to synaptiks
[15:02] <ScottK> We had a plan to switch from one to the other this cycle.  I don't recall if it happened or not or which way we were switching.
[15:02] <EagleScreen_> you should follow them
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: rekonq package incoming on https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[15:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: minus points for edge urls.
[15:04] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[15:05] <EagleScreen_> therefore, are you going to switch to synaptiks? you only have to change a few dependencies in kubuntu-desktop package, isn't it?
[15:06] <EagleScreen_> and.. promote it to main?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ok so im off for a bit, will be back in a few hours
[15:08] <ScottK> EagleScreen_: We won't do it for this release.  We'd look at it again for the next one.  We lack people to do the work, not people telling us what work needs to be done.
[15:09] <EagleScreen_> ScottK: too late to be done due to policies?
[15:09] <ScottK> EagleScreen_: Yes.  It's not very smart to switch out components three days before final freeze.
[15:10] <EagleScreen_> I understand
[15:10] <ScottK> EagleScreen_: Also it's a recommends of kubuntu-desktop so you can change it post install yourself without having to remove kubuntu-desktop.
[15:12] <EagleScreen_> sure, but Kpackagekit want to remove kde-config-synaptiks and to re-install kde-config-touchpad if there is any kubuntu-desktop upgrade
[15:12] <dantti_work> Riddell: aptcc now has a Fonts group can you push the patch?
[15:16] <ScottK> Shouldn't be a problem post-release.
[15:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Why do we have debian-changes-0.6.0-0ubuntu1?  And better yet, why isn't it documented in debian/changelog?
[15:17] <rbelem> ScottK, hi
[15:17] <rbelem> morning
[15:17] <ScottK> rbelem: Hello.
[15:17] <rbelem> :-)
[15:17] <EagleScreen_> yes, I supose that very few (or none) kubuntu-desktop updates are expected in a stable release
[15:17] <ScottK> EagleScreen_: I remember it happening once in the last several years.
[15:18] <EagleScreen_> then it could be a problem post-release, but a low importance problem
[15:18] <rbelem> ScottK, i did not manage to finish yesterday that backport patch. it is a little bit more difficult than i thought
[15:19] <ScottK> OK.  Any chance today?
[15:19] <rbelem> ScottK, yup, i think that today i will finish it
[15:19] <ScottK> Great.
[16:20] <lex79> afiestas_: hola :) ping
[16:24] <lex79> ScottK: libgcal and akonadi-googledata are not uploaded, who can upload them ? ubuntu release team?
[16:25] <ScottK> lex79: Anyone can upload if the FFe is approved.
[16:25] <ScottK> (anyone with upload rights that is)
[16:25] <lex79> you acked both iirc
[16:26] <lex79> yes it is
[16:26] <ScottK> I think so, so you can upload.
[16:27] <lex79> ScottK: they are in universe, I don't have upload rights yet
[16:27] <ScottK> Oh.  right.
[16:27] <ScottK> Forgot.  You're the only kubuntu-dev who isn't also motu.
[16:28] <ScottK> lex79: Those are sync's right?
[16:28] <lex79> nope, new upstream release
[16:28]  * rgreening remembers he should request kubuntu-dev at next meeting
[16:28] <rgreening> or request a meeting I mean... and put an app up...
[16:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Can you sponsor those?
[16:29] <rgreening> I can
[16:29] <rgreening> what's the app
[16:29] <rgreening> package..
[16:29] <lex79> bug 633442
[16:29] <rgreening> looking
[16:29] <lex79> bug 633434
[16:32] <rgreening> ok. let me testbuild and see how that goes.
[16:33] <lex79> rgreening: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[16:33] <rgreening> ah. even better
[16:33] <rgreening> ty lex79.
[16:34] <lex79> rgreening: but grab the packages from launchpad not from my ppa, since in my ppa I didn't close the bug
[16:34] <lex79> I mean didn't close the bug in changelog 
[16:34] <rgreening> ok
[16:35] <rgreening> got it
[16:35] <lex79> thanks
[16:35] <rgreening> np
[16:35] <lex79> :)
[16:38] <ScottK> Closing the bug in changelog is currently broken in LP anyway.
[16:39] <ScottK> You'll still have to close bugs by hand.
[16:39] <sheytan> Hey guys ;)
[16:39] <sheytan> is phonon-vlc by default?
[16:40] <ScottK> sheytan: No.
[16:46] <rgreening> lex79: reviewing diffs now and updating bugs. will upload shortly.
[16:49] <lex79> thanks rgreening :)
[17:09] <rgreening> lex79: packages sent to upload queue.
[17:09] <rgreening> ScottK:  ^
[17:10] <ScottK> rgreening: Thanks.
[17:11] <rgreening> np
[17:14] <lex79> rgreening: thanks
[17:15] <rgreening> :)
[17:15] <rgreening> happy to help.
[17:18] <rgreening> ScottK: if there are any others packages requiring sponsorship for MOTU, fire them at me. I'll do what I can while I have some free time. thanks.
[17:18] <ScottK> Will do
[17:25] <rgreening> lex79: ty for your contribution :)
[17:25] <lex79> np :P
[17:25]  * rgreening forgot to say so :P
[17:25] <ScottK> rgreening: LP closing bugs in changelog is currently broken.  You'll need to --> Fix Released the bugs yourself.
[17:25] <rgreening> ScottK: yeah. saw that. I'll watch for the build. then update.
[17:26] <ScottK> OK
[17:32] <ScottK> rgreening: You might have a look at qtmobility and see if we want the newer one in Debian (I suspect we do).
[17:33] <rgreening> I'll have a look
[17:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:35] <rgreening> fabo: thoughts on qtmobility from Debian in Maverick? Forsee any issues in updating?
[17:35] <rgreening> if not, I'll make the request to update.
[17:36] <ScottK> rgreening: There is an Ubuntu diff you'll need to check if we ought to maintain
[17:36] <rgreening> okies
[17:39] <ScottK> Whoever was doing docbook fixes earlier in the cycle, kwave needs some help.
[17:42] <afiestas_> lex79: hola
[17:42] <afiestas_> ereslibre is away at least until Friday :/
[17:42] <lex79> hola afiestas_ :) ah :(
[17:42] <lex79> did you see my merge requests?
[17:43] <lex79> do we need ereslibre? :)
[18:23] <oxymoron> Is it valid to complain on a non-stable release even if its beta state?
[18:24] <ScottK> Depends on what the complain is.
[18:25] <oxymoron> ScottK: That Kubuntu beta1 doesnt have working screen resolution, screwed up java, my BankID, Dolphin crashes all the time, Kwin is hopeless and so on.
[18:26] <ScottK> oxymoron: What kind of video do you have?
[18:27] <oxymoron> ScottK: Video?
[18:27] <ScottK> Graphics card
[18:28] <oxymoron> ScottK: nVidia 7950GT
[18:29] <ScottK> Using proprietary drivers or free?
[18:29] <oxymoron> And yes I have nvidia drivers installed. It was working earlier before installed beta.
[18:29] <oxymoron> Ill check.
[18:30] <oxymoron> I am using proprietary and Jockey says it works correct and is activated ... uhum NOT xD
[18:30] <ScottK> Not activated?
[18:30] <oxymoron> ScottK: "I am using proprietary and Jockey says it works correct and is activated"
[18:31] <ScottK> OK.
[18:32] <oxymoron> I am so tired of Winblows, Crapple OS X and also Linux. None of them just WORKS out of the box 24/7 all year long. It doesnt matter if I dont update anything or do it, theres always a problem. No one provide a complete working solution for my computer.
[18:33] <ScottK> Currently on Maverick we are having a lot of mesa related issues and are planning to update before release.
[18:33] <ScottK> IIRC that wouldn't explain your problem.
[18:41] <oxymoron> ScottK: Do you know why these problem appeared just in Maverick release?
[18:42] <oxymoron> ScottK: I would like to know why so huge problem just suddenly apear from nowhere. Theres not huge changes from Lucid to Maverick I think :P
[18:43] <ScottK> oxymoron: No, but I'm also not having the same kinds of problems you are having in Maverick.
[18:43] <yofel> oxymoron, well, we have a new Xserver, that counts as a huge enough change IMHO
[18:44] <ScottK> Yep
[18:44] <oxymoron> ScottK: True, but that feels almost worse how wide spreaded and dynamic bugs and errors is. Most programmers seem to use old hardware and people like me using latest usually have to wait.
[18:44] <oxymoron> yofel: 1.8?
[18:44] <yofel> ScottK, about scribus-ng: I was busy and couldn't file the FFe yet, will do so in a few hours
[18:44] <yofel> no, 1.9
[18:45] <ScottK> yofel: Cool.  I uploaded it to my PPA for testing in the mean time.
[18:45] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright, what kind of changes in the new version? :) Anything worth hurry for? :P
[18:45] <ScottK> oxymoron: If Lucid is working for you, then I wouldn't worry about upgrading.
[18:46] <oxymoron> ScottK: Uhm not sure if Lucid worked to get my iPhone 4 work flawless in Amarok. Then I walso was curious to see if other problems was solved, like PulseAudio.
[18:46] <oxymoron> But STILL no programmers care about fix the freaking OPENGL problem, QT framework and Cairo Dock issue.
[18:47] <oxymoron> When running Cairo Dock with OpenGL something with RRGB protocol changes and I get transparent video frames in ALL multimedia players.
[18:47] <oxymoron> Its a known bug since several versions ago but nobody cares.
[18:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thats because we have a rule in debian/rules that adds pot files for translations
[18:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.
[18:47] <shadeslayer> thats documented by Riddell in the last changelog
[18:48] <oxymoron> Sometimes the words "Do I need to do it myself once again" feels precise.
[18:52] <oxymoron> And then everytime you upgrade from one version to another, package conflicts and broken packages appear. I never got a smooth upgrade. The only thing that seems to work is todo clean install. Thats the same on Apple and Windows, you need to format and redo install to make it work as it should. Thats sad and I would say incompetent programmers who cannot make things back and forwardcompatible packages.
[18:52] <oxymoron> Reverse engineer or whatever, people just want things to work.
[18:54] <ScottK> oxymoron: We normally do a lot of upgrade path testing, but it's hard to test every package combination.
[18:55] <oxymoron> ScottK: If made properly it shouldnt matter package combination or computer system ;) I am sure its possible to make it work hybrid in general for everyone.
[18:55] <oxymoron> Then mostly settings disappear and more parameters break config files and so on.
[18:56] <ScottK> oxymoron: As the Debian package management system currently works, it's not possible to do that.  
[18:56] <oxymoron> WHich usually end up for me having a freaked up system and dont understand where the problem is.
[18:56] <ScottK> At least for KDE, settings related problems on upgrade are upstream issues.
[18:56] <oxymoron> ScottK: Well, time to make Debian package system some new love? Or why not create a new one for Kubuntu ONLY? :P
[18:57] <ScottK> That's not a trivial problem to solve.
[18:57] <oxymoron> Independent settings isolated from each other and package indepency :P
[18:57] <ScottK> What happens when files move between packages?
[18:57] <oxymoron> No problem is trivial, then it wouldnt be a problem ;)
[18:58] <oxymoron> ScottK: Why should files move between packages at all? Why not just export old settings from one package, remove old files and then install the new files?
[18:59] <oxymoron> People are just to lazy to provide new solutions, they stick with the old things. IMO programmers doesnt even care to make their own software IDEs work better so they can programming faster, why would they make it easier for end users :P
[19:00] <oxymoron> Version handling sucks, Git is way to complex. MUCH better than Subverison, but it doesnt say its good. Its like saying democracy is the best option, but it doesnt mean its nice :P
[19:03] <oxymoron> But I wont bother to care anymore, I just accept people in general are incompetent lazy beings cannot provide anything decent to human mankind to take us forward.
[19:03] <oxymoron> I stick to music, passion, love and real life instead
[19:04] <ScottK> Sput: The ignore list is a lovely feature.  Thanks.
[19:07] <Sput> ScottK: you're welcome, it was muchly requested too
[19:08]  * Sput also wonders why people have the time to complain, but not the time to make things better
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: soo... will you upload rekonq?
[19:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think so.  Need to look at it again in a bit.
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ok .. thanks :D
[19:09]  * oxymoron wonders why people have time to make things that doesnt work when they can do it work from the beginning so people dont have to complain :P
[19:11]  * yofel notes that all 3 of his nvidia machines work perfectly fine with maverick
[19:18] <ScottK> yofel: scribus-ng seems OK here based on a casual test.
[19:18] <yofel> ScottK: I did a ppa upload too and it seems fine to me too, and I think we don't need a too in-depth test since -ng is the devel version anyway
[19:20] <ScottK> yofel: Please file the FFe and then ping me.
[19:21] <yofel> sure, I'm reading the FFe page right now, fist time I'm filing one
[19:21] <ScottK> Well the release version is very old and still Qt3, so I think a lot of people use -ng.
[19:21] <ScottK> Great.
[19:21] <yofel> agreed
[19:47] <oxymoron> Is it possible to revert backwarsd to earlier packages? Like go back to earlier Amarok version and Lucid?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> !downgrade
[19:48] <lex79> shadeslayer: rekonq package is ready?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> lex79: its in my PPA
[19:48] <maco> oxymoron: dpkg --force-downgrade
[19:48] <smarter_> or just sudo aptitude install mypackage=versionofthepackage
[19:49] <oxymoron> lol, It broke my system wehn upgrading ... So it will be even worse? :D
[19:49] <lex79> shadeslayer: is it suitable to upload?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> lex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[19:49] <lex79> oh ok
[19:49] <shadeslayer> lex79: lemme install it and see
[19:49] <lex79> thanks
[19:54] <lex79> shadeslayer: why you removed kubuntu_01 _02 and _03 ?
[19:54] <lex79> there is debian-changes-0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (1.9 MB)
[19:54] <lex79> I don't like that :)
[19:55] <shadeslayer> lex79: ok so the first 3 are forwarded upstream
[19:55] <shadeslayer> the last one is because we have a rule to import pot files
[19:55] <shadeslayer> ( as documented in the last changelog
[19:56] <shadeslayer> lex79: it installs and works
[19:56] <lex79> ok
[19:56] <lex79> I will upload then
[19:56] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[19:57] <lex79> next time write in changelog why you are removing patches :)
[19:58] <shadeslayer> lex79: actually they should have been dropped in the last release, instead i just commented them out in the series file
[19:59] <lex79> shadeslayer: ok sorry :)
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you also check if CNN videos work after 0.6 release ? :D
[20:00] <shadeslayer> they work for me
[20:02] <shadeslayer> and bbc.co.uk works also
[20:05] <shadeslayer> lex79: it was actually my fault.. so sorry :D
[20:05] <lex79> np
[20:05] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep.. cya 
[20:08] <lex79> night shadeslayer, uploaded
[20:08] <shadeslayer> thanks
[20:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Will do.
[21:11] <sheytan> Hey
[21:12] <sheytan> is finall freeze this friday?
[21:13] <yofel> thursday I think (16th)
[21:13] <yofel> right, 16th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[21:14] <sheytan> ok, thanks ;)
[21:16] <ScottK> sheytan: It's the start of Thursday too, not the end.
[21:17] <sheytan> ScottK i'm only asking couse i'm about to dload a daily build, and was wondering if there will be a 2nd beta release after the freeze :)
[21:18] <ScottK> No second beta.  That was just for Lucid because it was an LTS.
[21:18] <sheytan> ok, thanks :)
[21:41] <afiestas_> lex79: libbluedevil is ereslibre terrytory :/
[21:42] <afiestas_> I can tell him to take a look, but is all I can do
[21:43] <lex79> afiestas_: ok thanks :)
[21:43] <lex79> ScottK: btw libbluedevil should be in binary new soon
[21:43] <lex79> only on i386
[21:43] <ScottK> lex79: OK.  Ping me when it is.
[21:44] <lex79> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbluedevil/1.8-0ubuntu1
[21:44] <lex79> already in binary new
[21:45]  * ScottK looks
[21:51] <lex79> bbl
[21:59] <ScottK> lex79: I won't block accepting on this, but there is a /usr/share/doc/libbluedevil-doc/html file that shoulnd't be there.
[22:01] <ScottK> lex79: There is also some /usr/share/doc/libbludevil/doc stuff in libbluedevil-dev that shouldn't be there.
[22:02] <ScottK> lex79: Accepted, but that stuff does need to get cleaned up.
[22:32] <CIA-116> jmthomas * 1175014 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 1.0.2 release
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> haha
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> "Fetching of the whole freaking source tree failed."
[22:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: There's a gtk2-engines-qtcurve NMU that was just uploaded to Debian.  Would you please have a look and see if we want it for maverick?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> know where I can find it?
[22:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Debian Unstable
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> It's not showing up on incoming.debian.org, the PTS page for the package or on p.d.o
[22:39] <ScottK> Hmmm
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> and pull-debian-source is still at 1.5.2-1
[22:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It was uploaded to delay/2.  NMU diff is in the bug.  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590521
[22:40] <ScottK> Sorry about that.
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it's a policy violation. nobody's complained but I suppose we should fix it
[22:42]  * ScottK wishes akregrator had an ignore feature.
[22:42] <ScottK> Cool.  Would you take care of it?
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> sure
[22:48] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:16] <yofel> ScottK: I'm not sure what to put as 'what you have tested to verify that it works' as a lot has changed, but here anyway: bug 637627
[23:16] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.  Looking.
[23:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/still_bad_rekonq - same video plays on chromium
[23:54] <lex79> ScottK: It's correct have those files,I followed what Debian did with libsoprano