=== yofel_ is now known as yofel === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC [01:16] Hello everyone [01:29] o/ uchobby [01:30] Hy meindian523 whats up today? [01:30] uchobby, boredom [01:30] well I'm studying make files [01:30] meindian523: sup man [01:31] stlsaint, as above, boredom [01:31] meindian523: shucks [01:31] yep, it sucks [01:32] meindian523: learning something new will curve that boredom [01:32] stlsaint, give me an idea [01:32] meindian523: programming ;) [01:32] makefiles sounds good, if I knew enough of programming to ever need one [01:34] * meindian523 thinks he'll have dinner and then study some of his books and some CSS [01:34] sounds good :D [01:35] meindian523, i have an idea for programming that should be easy. i'll even take pseudo code contributions [01:38] what's your idea seidos [01:39] I'm pretty new to Linux software dev, not to software dev itself. I did a project last week or so that would ring a real doorbell anytime someone said uchobby in IRC. [01:39] uchobby, a program that takes a person's birth month and year, and favorite animal from a list, and tells them what "ubuntu version" they are [01:39] was a good first project [01:40] uchobby, haha, that's crazy [01:40] works well [01:40] uchobby, did you have a relay or something you were controlling? [01:41] I used the parallel port and some power MOSFETS to drive the striker for an old doorbell that was scrapted, Also put a bright LED in. All hacked inside the old doorbell box. [01:41] I posted on my blog, I will get the link [01:42] http://www.uchobby.com/ [01:42] First two articles, one is the hardware hack and the other is the soruce code [01:44] I'm off to get some work done.. Y'all take care [01:45] take care uchobby [01:51] Can someone please helo me? [01:51] *help [01:51] !ask |seans1206 [01:51] seans1206: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [02:03] * meindian523 will be busy, hammering away at his homepage [02:04] actually [02:04] duanedesign, ? [02:05] ok,anyone [02:06] if I wanted to learn CSS, would you recommend O'Reilly's Missing Manual or the For Dummies? [02:06] meindian523: Neither; I would recommend w3schools [02:06] given that I'm not a dummy, but know nothing about cSS [02:06] hmm [02:07] *CSS [02:07] meindian523: I learned X/HTML, CSS and JavaScript from w3schools, and I'm working on PHP [02:07] meindian523: And it's all free [02:07] aveilleux, I've seen w3cschools [02:07] *w3schools [02:07] it felt to me more like a look up table for the code when you know what you want [02:08] meindian523: They also have teach-yourself guides that are extremely helpful [02:08] ok [02:08] * meindian523 searches [02:09] aveilleux, do you mean the tutorials? [02:09] meindian523: I guess so. I really tought myself by trying to do something, failing, then looking up the right way to do it [02:09] k [02:10] * meindian523 plans to do the same, but he needs a kind of hybrid between look up table and hand holdinf [02:10] *hand holding [02:21] http://www.tizag.com/ is also an excellent resource for turorials [02:22] YES [02:22] YES [02:22] tizag+10000 [02:22] hey phillw :) [02:22] I learned a TON off tizag [02:25] hiyas paultag, yeah, it's a no-brainer link for me to pass on to people, along with http://forum.codecall.net/ who will answer specific questions and host their own tutorial section (I'm biased as I know the mods & site owner), but it is a really good site that has been around for years. [02:26] yup [02:26] it's how I learned when I was about 14 or os [02:26] so [02:26] * phillw feels guilty as hasn't been on codecall for a while :-\ [02:39] * meindian523 thinks w3schools would be better as they define the standards etc [02:43] meindian523: not wishing to pick holes, but it is http://www.w3.org/Consortium/ who "set the rules", w3schools abide by them carefully and accurately; but are not involved in defining the standards. [02:43] phillw, ya, I know :) [02:44] but it's generally the same organization right [02:44] w3schools follow it excellently, but are not affiliated to the w3.org [02:45] hey guys im brand new to linux and am in a class where we need it and so a question on my homework said using the terminal what is a command that would create a new file "Fido.txt" that contains exclusively the lines of an existing file "novel.txt" in which the dog "Fido" is metioned [02:45] hahhaa [02:46] hardhittertennis, at umich I see [02:46] HAHAHA [02:46] hardhittertennis, I'm over at Ohio [02:46] ya [02:46] hardhittertennis, OH! [02:46] hardhittertennis, Look up what "cat" does [02:46] howd u know [02:46] hardhittertennis, you're in the bursley res hall [02:47] ok i wasnt sure if it was cat or if i should start off with gedit [02:47] or something [02:47] hardhittertennis, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html [02:47] hardhittertennis, study up, this is the easy part [02:47] meindian523: Much like my on goig battles for accessibilty to be fully w3c'd, by both XHTML and CSS http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32 [02:47] ok [02:47] hardhittertennis, and that O.H. was because I'm in Ohio, I just got back from OSU. Michigan sucks!!! [02:48] * phillw would use echo :p [02:48] :P [02:48] haha gotchya, well im new here so i dont have that hate for osu yet lol [02:48] phillw, it's a file that already exists [02:48] phillw, so you want to cat, and dump stdout [02:48] but thanks for all the help, even though you hate my school :P [02:48] hardhittertennis, :) [02:48] hardhittertennis, Sure bro [02:48] ahh, then use >> :p [02:48] hardhittertennis, oh yeah, check out ubuntu michigan [02:48] hardhittertennis, there are some kickass dudes over there [02:49] hardhittertennis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam [02:49] hardhittertennis, good luck out there! [02:49] alright ill check that out! [02:50] thanks again for all the help. ur the best! [02:50] have a good night! [02:50] you too! [02:50] paultag, cat novel.txt|grep Fido >> Fido.txt [02:50] ? [02:50] meindian523, I think that's it [02:50] just testing my skills [02:50] :) [02:50] meindian523, I did not get the whole question, but that sounds spot on [02:51] meindian523, except it's a > not >> [02:51] meindian523, because if you run it twice, it won't be right :) [02:51] paultag, AFAIK, > inserts and >> appends [02:51] no [02:51] > overwrites, >> appends [02:51] try it out [02:51] > inserts as in overwrites the file [02:51] yeah [02:51] that's what I meant [02:51] that's what you should do [02:51] because it's not overwrite per-line [02:52] it's per stdin till EOF [02:52] I always use >> as a safety thing [02:52] meindian523, it's not safety [02:52] don't want to overwrite a file that already exists because of some typo I made in redirection [02:52] meindian523, if you run it twice, it will break what you are doing [02:52] meindian523, because you will have two lines [02:52] * meindian523 tests [02:54] paultag, nope, that worked fine [02:54] how do you mean will have two lines? [02:55] paultag_, ? [02:55] meindian523, run [02:55] echo "foo" >> bar [02:55] echo "foo" >> bar [02:55] echo "foo" >> bar [02:56] echo "foo" >> bar [02:56] and then run [02:56] echo "foo" > bar [02:56] echo "foo" > bar [02:56] echo "foo" > bar [02:56] echo "foo" > bar [02:56] and compare bars [02:57] paultag_, didn't get your point [02:57] MadameTock, think it over for a few [02:57] >> appended, > overwrote [02:57] not you MadameTock [02:57] as expected [02:57] right [02:57] I knew that already [02:57] meindian523, so I would not use >> in that guy's case [02:57] meindian523, because it would be wrong if you ran it more then once [02:58] or if a file was there [02:58] ran what more than once? [02:58] the command [02:58] paultag_, you would rather he overwrote a file that already existed than have a few lines appended to it? [02:59] yes [02:59] uh, I disagree [02:59] because I keep amazing backups [02:59] and I never loose data [02:59] and if I am turning it in for school [02:59] I don't want to turn in binary crap [02:59] you do, not all the rest of the world does [02:59] how would that result in binary crap? [03:00] meindian523, cp /bin/bash ./foo.bar [03:00] echo "foo" >> foo.bar [03:00] that would be binary [03:01] and if I am turning it in for school [03:01] I don't want to turn in binary crap [03:01] * phillw wishes had not mentioned >> :-( [03:01] hahaha [03:01] It's cool [03:01] but if that was another text file, and you don't do backups, then you just lost that data [03:02] and you would be an idiot if you were turning it in for school and didn't check it at least once [03:02] for yourself [03:02] meindian523, anyone can come up with random "if this random situation happens" cases for most things [03:02] meindian523, I'm just saying I disagree with you fundamentally [03:02] paultag, same here :) [03:02] :) [03:03] IMHO, if it's that important, you check it for yourself before you turn it in [03:04] anyway, CSS calls, thanks for the example paultag [03:04] aye === harry is now known as Guest17135 [04:38] hello? [04:38] hello aussa [04:42] aussa: you are still here? you need some help? [04:42] hi, i was wondering if you can help me with this, yes.... [04:42] moment :D [04:45] im willing to format my system, and want to have a win partition, an ubuntu partition, and a shared partition for data, ive been reading a lot about it today, but i cant decided if i make that shared partition ext4, ntfs or fat32, what do you think about it? [04:46] If you want to make the shared partition(as it must be visible in Win too), you must choose either FAT or NTFS [04:46] ext3 or ext4 are not the file systems that windows support [04:47] ok, and can i be able to install programs of win in that shared partition, for example solidworks? [04:47] aussa: You can install anything in any partition and it will not bother you :) [04:49] aussa: Though if a single file in Solidworks is over 3.2GB, the partition will have to be NTFS [04:49] mmm.... ok, so i guess it wil be ntfs, thank you so much (Y) [04:50] heya aveilleux. [04:50] aussa: have you looked in on this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions ? i think you would probably want NTFS. :) [04:51] ok, ill take a look, ty [05:31] i'm running ubuntu thru an external drive, i mounted my computers /dev/sda1 fs:ntfs to view files, and now i can no longer boot windows. also /dev/sda1 has somehow been converted to fat32... pls help [05:38] awww he left. Darn I am late :/ [05:52] Mohan_chml: yeah some people are not very patient :( [06:00] duanedesign: hello. How are you with CLIcompanion? [06:01] duanedesign: PM [09:00] heya hobgoblin =] [09:02] o/ [09:24] I ll bbl after 2 hours.. see ya later hobgoblin o/ === swoody is now known as Guest29633 === swoody_ is now known as swoody [10:27] i created this alias in my .bashrc< alias web='cd ~/web/ && python -m SimpleHTTPServer' > how would i modify it to add < cd - > after i close the webserver? could i just append < && cd- >? [13:52] Hello. [13:53] o/ [13:53] | [13:53] \ [13:54] 0_ [13:55] | [13:55] /\ === pjarnahom is now known as IamIdioT [14:00] 'lo Silver_Fox_ , meindian523 [14:00] Hello duanedesign and meindian523 [14:00] How are you both ? [14:00] doing well, thank you [14:00] Hi duanedesign [14:00] * meindian523 is cool [14:03] * meindian523 goes off to perform daily routine work [14:15] Goodbye meindian523 . [14:15] That is good to know duanedesign :) [14:21] Silver_Fox_: how about you? [14:22] I am okay thank you duanedesign . Rather busy at work, but good. Glad it is Monday [14:23] Heya Silver_Fox_ and duanedesign. Both of you busy for a talk? [14:24] Question: What is the difference between Open source and Free software [14:25] Free software is free, but the source code is not available. Open source is exactly that. You have the source code and can modify. That is my interpretation anyway. [14:26] Okay is there any celebration for Software freedom day at your location Silver_Fox_ ? [14:26] yeah. Open Source is not necessarily free. free software is not necessarily open source [14:26] unless its Free Open Source ;) [14:27] Not that I am aware off Mohan_chml [14:28] duanedesign: ;) [14:28] uh, there is free as in freedom and free as in gratis [14:28] which one are you talking about Mohan_chml [14:28] Silver_Fox_: Okay! I am going to plan about Software freedom day by tomorrow :) [14:28] ohai meindian523 I am not sure about that [14:29] coz idk both :D [14:29] Mohan_chml, k [14:29] meindian523: at work now?? [14:30] Ahh. I see. Free Software as used by FSF means free as in freedom [14:30] free software is defined by the FSF [14:30] Mohan_chml, nope [14:30] FSF defines free software by 4 criterion [14:30] 1] Source code available [14:30] 2] Free to modify [14:30] 3] Free to redistribute [14:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_software#Open_source_software_vs._free_software [14:30] 4] Free to run it for any purpose, reverse engineer etc [14:31] ya, that's better [14:32] Open source software and free software are different terms for software which comes with certain rights, or freedoms, for the user. They describe two approaches and philosophies towards free software. Open source and free software (or software libre) both describe software which is free from onerous licensing restrictions. It may be used, copied, studied, modified and redistributed without restriction. [14:33] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition [14:33] I mixed up a few [14:33] the 4 rules for a software to be considered free software are given in that ^^ [14:33] as defined by the FSF [14:33] hmmm. good to discuss it noe =] [14:34] is there a way to make Ubuntu power down when on a laptop the on/off button is pressed? [14:34] The difference in the terms is where they place the emphasis. “Free software” is defined in terms of giving the user freedom. This reflects the goal of the free software movement. “Open source” highlights that the source code is viewable to all and proponents of the term usually emphasize the quality of the software and how this is caused by the development models [14:34] Open source software is defined by the OSI, and they have a ten point criterion to decide whether a software is open source [14:34] Phrea, System>>Preferences>>Power Management [14:35] duanedesign, +1 [14:35] Phrea: under the 'General' Tab [14:35] yep [14:35] omg, yea, sorry, I suck testicles [14:36] so, FLOSS means both free/libre and open source, right? [14:37] JoeMaverickSett, yeah, Stallman is ok with using FLOSS when you don't want to fall in either of the camps [14:38] I ll brb in 20 mins exact [14:38] * meindian523 keeps a timer [14:38] Mohan_chml: ok we are timing you [14:38] lol :P [14:38] duane pulls up applet-timer [14:38] going to buy dinner :D [14:39] * meindian523 will be back later, as and when he gets within range of the college wireless [14:40] o/ [14:57] hi [14:58] Hello :) [14:59] i deleted the python2.6 package on ubuntu and i was wondering if there is anyway to repair it short of reinstalling.. [14:59] google isnt too helpful on this [14:59] Back [14:59] Open a terminal [15:00] Try something like: sudo apt-get install python2.6 [15:00] Silver_Fox_: synaptic may help I think [15:00] Guess I love cli too much ;) [15:00] (: [15:01] I would also have a look in synaptic as Mohan_chml says disturb3d [15:01] i can only get a console,gnome vanished,and when i use apt-get install it says it cant resolve teh ro.archives.ubuntu.com url [15:01] synaptic? [15:01] synaptic package manager [15:01] System > Administration > "Synaptic Package Manager" [15:01] disturb3d: can you even enter through failsafe GNOME? [15:01] *from memory [15:02] no [15:02] gnome is gone [15:02] only dos-like console [15:02] the real problem i have is that the /home/user folder is empty [15:02] except from a strange .desktop file [15:03] Yeah you can install from there disturb3d. By using sudo apt-get install python2.6 [15:03] Most of the packages in ubuntu runs by Python and I think that may be the reason for this [15:03] i tried and i get an error whet apt tries to resolve the archive URL [15:04] Silver_Fox_: what you think about recovery? Can that be done? [15:05] well i dont mind reinstalling [15:05] but i thought i could save 2 files i need and my pgp private key [15:06] what i dont get is why my user folder is empty :( [15:06] aww. Live CD has nothing in your user folder? [15:06] wait [15:06] disturb3d: You are looking at the drive named File system ?? [15:07] It is the Live CD which you are seeing currently [15:07] well im not in ubuntu right now since i cant start anything [15:07] disturb3d: try pinging google. To see if the resolving archive problem is just a matter of changing the mirror or something more [15:07] ping -c 5 www.google.com [15:07] i tried [15:07] but it cant resolve anything apart my localhost [15:07] disturb3d: how you saw that there is nothing in Users folder? [15:08] from the console [15:08] ls /home/distrub3d [15:08] and all i have now is a strange file like : User-Private-Data-Something.desktop [15:09] I have no clue as I had never gone through a problem like this :( [15:09] disturb3d: if you don't mind reinstalling, why not try to recove the files you need with the Live CD, and don't mind about the PGP key, you could always make one again. [15:10] * JoeMaverickSett is not much of a recovery guy. :) [15:10] JoeMaverickSett, thx,i didnt thought of using live cd [15:10] Joeb454: He has Private keys in his home folder [15:11] aww wrong ping :( [15:11] :) [15:11] Mohan_chml,he had* :P [15:11] disturb3d: you mentioned only pgp key, right? [15:11] yes [15:11] disturb3d: your still having it there :P [15:12] Mohan_chml: we could always make new pgp key isn't it? :) [15:13] well i try to recover it with the live CD it should work thanks a lot guys [15:13] JoeMaverickSett: you can, but if you have a separate home and you encrypted it, then It may be something to handle with [15:13] disturb3d: good luck :) [15:13] i meant to ask that [15:13] disturb3d: good luck. [15:14] does ubuntu encrypt your home folder by default? [15:14] disturb3d: no [15:15] disturb3d: you can use the command [15:15] heya AndrewMC (: [15:15] zcat -f /var/log/dpkg.log* | grep "\ remove\ " | sort [15:16] hey Mohan_chml [15:16] to see recently removed packages to sort out what wasw removed that is causing your issues [15:16] AndrewMC: hows life? [15:17] Mohan_chml: good but lets stay on topic [15:17] duanedesign, python2.6 package was removed [15:18] i installed the python3.1 package and thought that python2.6 is useless :P [15:19] now learned the -s option when using apt-get remove to simulate the outcome === _paultag_ is now known as paultag_ === [1]disturb3d is now known as disturb3d [15:58] hello? [16:01] hello === elfy is now known as hobgoblin [16:58] I'n on an acer laptop, and the connection is really really slow [connection strength seems to be ok], like there is a lag before it actually goes to a site [16:59] the lag is any- and everywhere, drives me nuts [16:59] KenN: you can test the speed and latency at http://www.speedtest.net/ [17:00] latency is 20ms according to speedtest [17:00] conection speed is 15/3mbit [17:00] so the speed itself seems fine [17:02] on average the browser sems to be thinking for anything between 10 and 20 seconds per website :? [17:02] [connection is via wifi] [17:05] KenN: hmm. might be a DNS issue [17:06] thought about it, it's set to auto, and it does work, just with an extreme amount of latency [17:07] KenN: IPV6 can cause that too. [17:08] I know, so I set that to ignore [17:08] have you disabled it in Firefox? [17:08] using Opera atm [17:08] ahh [17:08] I can try Fx, where can I find that setting? [17:09] duanedesign: it's the same for either browser [17:09] is that editing /etc/sysctl.conf? [17:10] editing? [17:10] what do you mean? [17:10] product: PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection vendor: Intel Corporation [17:10] cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 returns 0 if its enabled, 1 if its disabled [17:10] the card [17:12] these commands will edit the sysctl to disable IPV6 http://paste.ubuntu.com/493189/ [17:12] i am assuming you are using 10.04 Lucid Lynx? [17:12] it's set to 0 [17:13] yes I am [17:13] duanedesign: [17:13] s already disabled [17:13] sorry, typing on laptop, not used to it [17:13] I have to eat, be back later, thanks in advance :) [17:30] I'm back [17:32] hmmm, primary DNS is a local IP, secondary is an outside IP [17:32] maybe that's it? [17:36] I think I fixed it [17:37] I have NO idea why setting the WPA&WPA2 personal to enterprise, and then back to personal should work, but apparently it did [17:46] KenN: great [17:46] their is a neat tool to test DNS servers and see which are fastest for you === uRock is now known as uncontrolable_uR === uncontrolable_uR is now known as uncontrolable === uncontrolable is now known as uRock [18:45] duanedesign: it went back to it's old speed again [18:46] even tried resetting the router, somebody said that sometimes wifi ports on routers can become 'clogged'. I'm sure I was trolled, but restarted the thing anyways === JoeMaverickSett is now known as Guest85630 === uRock is now known as uncontrolable === pedro__ is now known as pedro3005 [20:14] or some reason I have three window borders suck on my screen and I can't move them or delete them. Even a restart doesn't get rid of them. Here's an image of my desktop http://i54.tinypic.com/2qimpn9.png - They're on my 3rd desktop. They don't show close maximize or minimize buttons either Any help with this weird issue would be appreciated [20:17] I'm not sure if anyone is around, but how do I get rid of these window borders that stick around even after restart? [20:17] antIP: I never actually came across anything like this but you may try backing up your ~/.gnome2 folder, remove it and then restart [20:18] antIP: a warning though, it will remove all your gnome settings, e.g your shortcuts, themes, gnome-panel applets etc. [20:18] but they can be reconfigured pretty easily [20:19] you should see the default gnome after reboot, even a simple logout/login should work. === elfy is now known as hobgoblin [21:33] Hi [21:36] do i need to install a anti virus and anti spy ware when using ubuntu 9.04, thanks [21:36] its: nope :) [21:36] its: That's debatable, but generally not. [21:36] !virus | its [21:36] its: Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus [21:36] its: By the way 9.04 is only supported untill the end of next month, then no more security updates [21:38] Hm, NOD32 isn't on the list yet [21:38] The Linux version is in open beta === paultag_ is now known as paultag [22:19] hi guys, anyone was able to install aireplay-ng on ubuntu lucid lynx? [22:19] kinda banging my head in the wall about it [22:20] all the instruction on the web are for debian :\ [22:20] (and they dont work) [22:21] or better yet can anyone explain to me how i determine the mission dependecies that stop the "make" command? [22:22] missing* [22:25] revolverXD: can I sk why you are trying to crack WEP passwords? [22:25] *ask* [22:26] yeah my job [22:27] the higher up closed the wep for no damn reason :\ [22:27] and out curiosity how actually of how it works [22:28]