[00:29] <Omega> I would like to request ubottu for #ubuntu-tour
[00:34] <nhaines> jpds: Omega is requesting ubot4 to #ubuntu-tour ^^
[00:35] <Omega> Thank you sir.
[17:53] <AndrewMC> can i request the logbot for #ubuntu-youth
[17:54] <AndrewMC> please
[17:57] <erUSUL> is a core channel ? loco ?
[17:57]  * gnomefreak didnt know there was a youth channel
[17:57] <jpds> AndrewMC: No.
[17:57] <zkriesse> bonjouro
[17:58] <zkriesse> I was asked to join by AndrewMC, what's up
[17:59] <jpds> Logging a youth channel sounds like a Bad Idea™.
[17:59] <erUSUL> jpds: well he can certainly request it ... and you can certainly deny it ;) . giving a reason would be also nice ...
[17:59] <jpds> For similiar reasons to why we don't log -offtopic.
[18:00] <zkriesse> jpds: One, most of the folks in #ubuntu-youth are Young Adults, two: it's an official team so logging it is not a bad idea imo
[18:02]  * jpds delagates to Pici / topyli / nhandler / tsimpson / jussi.
[18:06] <gnomefreak> since it has #ubuntu i dont see why a log bot cant be in there
[18:07] <jpds> gnomefreak: Random dribbling of randomness by a bunch of young people, cool.
[18:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[18:07] <jpds> Do Not Want Logged for their sakes.
[18:07] <topyli> i have no issues with it, except that i don't know the bots very well so i'll shut up
[18:08] <zkriesse> jpds: Ok I'm going to say one thing. If you don't like the, " Random dribbling of randomness by a bunch of young people" why the heck are you even in the channel?
[18:08] <topyli> afaik the youth project has objectives beyond random dribbling too
[18:09] <jpds> zkriesse: I'm OK with it, I'm just not sure the others would want to be publicly logged.
[18:09] <jpds> Reducio ad absurdum.
[18:10] <jpds> Damn, wrong one.
[18:11] <phillw> Hi fil
[18:11] <gnomefreak> hi
[18:12] <phillw> Hi folks, a little while back I sent an email off asking for a log-bot on #lubuntu but never heard anything back :-(
[18:13]  * phillw scared as recognises some of the names on here :)
[18:13] <m4v> the only loggin bots I know are the locobots and ubuntulog, the locobots are ugly, for request ubuntulog you need to ask it in rt@ubuntu.com
[18:13] <phillw> m4v: is that for the bot same as on #ubuntu-beginners?
[18:14] <gnomefreak> i didnt get a memo but is today logbot day?
[18:15] <topyli> heh
[18:15] <phillw> gnomefreak: it was them discussing it on #ubuntu-youth that reminded me that I sent a request in at the end of July.
[18:16] <m4v> phillw: they might take a while
[18:16] <gnomefreak> is this something that should be brought up at a council meeting?
[18:16]  * m4v got a ubuntulog in #ubuntu-es-locos 3 months after he requested it
[18:18] <phillw> alanbell kindly gave us a meeting-bot, but as lubuntu is still not adopted by canonical, although supported on the forums etc. I was wondering when / if we would get a decission?
[18:18] <gnomefreak> all official locos should have one IMHO
[18:23] <phillw> I'll ask drubin next time he is about as to if I filed the request correctly and to the correct place. Thanks for your time in answering.
[18:24] <m4v> phillw: I sent 3 requests and got the bot 3 months later, don't hold your breath :P
[18:27] <phillw> 10/10/10 is fast approaching, as the lubuntu team is small, it would really be a big help to us if we could get it by then.
[18:28] <phillw> m4v: who did you request it from? I'm not even sure if I asked the correct people to consider it.
[18:28] <gnomefreak> IRCC i think has to approve it
[18:29] <jussi> hi all
[18:29] <gnomefreak> hi jussi
[18:29] <jussi> bot master is here
[18:29] <m4v> I only sent the request to rt@ubuntu.com
[18:29] <gnomefreak> :)
[18:29] <jussi> phillw: did you send a request for a locobot or ubuntulog?
[18:30] <jussi> AndrewMC: what is the purpose of #ubuntu-youth?
[18:30] <phillw> I asked for same bot as is on #ubuntu-beginners
[18:30] <jussi> phillw: right, and by what method did you ask?
[18:31] <phillw> was a while back, but I emailed someone, unfortunately that part of the email system is 'down' (Thank-you google mail), and I don't have the exact details
[18:32] <phillw> I only have my records of the team agreeing to having a log-bot on the channel.
[18:32] <jussi> phillw: ok, please re-request a bot from rt@ubuntu.com
[18:32] <phillw> thanks jussi
[18:33] <jussi> they are now usually pretty prompt, so give it about a week, unless they are busy
[18:33] <phillw> I'll forward on the email of the team agreeing to it, which should save a little time :-)
[18:35] <erUSUL> !sysinfo
[18:36] <gnomefreak> ?
[18:38] <erUSUL> sysinfo is <reply>Nobody here gives a d**** about your system specs. Please do not spam the channel with that script.
[18:38] <erUSUL> :P
[18:42] <jussi> hrm, I thought we had a factoid for that...
[18:42] <erUSUL> !search sysinfo
[18:42] <jussi> sysinfo-#ubuntuforums
[18:42] <jussi> !sysinfo-#ubuntuforums
[18:43] <jussi> sysinfo can be useful in #ubuntu, if you wnat to quickly tell your specs.
[18:43] <jussi> erUSUL: where was it that you saw it annoyingly?
[18:44] <erUSUL> jussi: not annoyingly only without reason in #ubuntu. just to show off
[18:44] <jussi> hrm, yeah thats annoying
[18:44] <jussi> but its still useful in certain situations
[18:45] <phillw> thanks jussi, i've sent the email, so now will keep fingers crossed :-)  Thanks everyone for your time, much appreciated. :-)
[18:45] <jussi> no probs :)
[18:46] <erUSUL> jussi: i've never seen that used for a good reason in #ubuntu ( dunno other channels )
[18:46] <jussi> erUSUL: I have...
[18:46] <jussi> although the use of it has died out some.
[19:03] <gnomefreak> they have scripts for that :)
[19:04] <gnomefreak> but there should be a more right to the point as mine is too long for #ubuntu usage
[19:04] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[20:37] <AndrewMC> jussi: sorry for the REALLY late reply but the purpose of Ubuntu Youth is to help them find their place in the community
[20:41] <nhandler> AndrewMC: Why do you guys want logs? What benefit would they offer?
[20:42] <zkriesse> Ok so why do we want logs?
[20:42] <AndrewMC> nhandler: sorry zkriesse is our leader i am one of his servents lol
[20:42] <zkriesse> AndrewMC: You're a co-leader...
[20:43] <nhandler> zkriesse: What benefit would having public logs on irclogs.u.c provide?
[20:43] <guntbert> who to poke about missing ubuntu-logs?
[20:43] <zkriesse> Provide logs to those who wish to read up on what they've missed
[20:44] <zkriesse> Say a meeting (Yes meetingology provides some logging but it's not perfect) there is a log that is public and people can read up on it
[20:44] <nhandler> zkriesse: Yes, but is there anything in those logs that is beneficial or is it more social.
[20:45] <zkriesse> A meeting log?
[20:45] <zkriesse> Of course a meeting log is beneficial...and now that we're constantly discussing (starting to anyway) IRC ideas for teaching, wiki importance, packaging, it's beginning to hold key knowledge
[20:48] <nhandler> zkriesse: I thought you had the meeting logs on the wiki. But I would strongly suggest going through your private logs (and talking to other members) to see if the benefits of public logs outweign the costs. For more social channels, many people are uncomfortable with their discussions being public (it also serves very little benefit). For formal teaching stuff, if it does not take place in -classroom, it is useful to ...
[20:48] <nhandler> ... pull the logs for that one session rather than making the whole channel publically logged. But in the end, it comes down to what the team wants and whether or not the canonical sysadmins are ok with it
[20:48] <guntbert> irclogs.ubuntu.com: the logbot apparently stopped yesterday 17:00 - who should be alerted?
[20:49] <zkriesse> Ok forget it
[20:49] <Tm_T> rt@ubuntu.com guntbert
[20:50] <guntbert> tm_: thx
[20:50] <Tm_T> or, umm, /whois ubuntulog
[20:50] <Tm_T> or what's the logbot
[20:50] <Omega> ubuntulo1