[00:18] <gryman> Anyone know how often launchpad updates the bzr data?
[00:21] <Muscovy> The revision list?
[00:22] <gryman> yeah
[00:22] <gryman> Trying to make sure I'm adding to the right place, but my commits don't show up
[00:23] <Muscovy> Only a minute or two.
[00:23] <Muscovy> Where did you push to?
[00:24] <gryman> I never did a push, just commits
[00:26] <Muscovy> pushing is the actual upload.
[00:27] <gryman> I see, what does commit do?
[00:27] <Omega> Uh
[00:27] <Omega> ohai
[00:29] <gryman> Or perhaps more importantly, is there anything I need to do before a push to make sure I won't wipe out some other changes?
[00:30] <Muscovy> Nope.
[00:30] <gryman> bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour, right?
[00:30] <gryman> I'm just working on content
[00:30] <Muscovy> Yes.
[00:30] <gryman> ok
[00:31] <gryman> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[00:31] <Muscovy> Run bzr merge.
[00:35] <gryman> ugh
[00:35] <Omega> We should get a bot soon.
[00:37] <AndrewMC> Omega: may i PM you?
[00:37] <Omega> Yes you may, sir.
[00:55] <Muscovy> gryman: Did it work ok?
[00:56] <gryman> Yeah, I ended up pulling down a new branch and then moving my changes over
[00:56] <gryman> Mine was a bit out of date
[00:56] <Muscovy> brz merge will do that automatically.
[00:57] <gryman> There was conflicts
[00:57] <Muscovy> Ah.
[00:57] <gryman> Someone made ubuntu-one and I still have ubuntuone, etc
[00:57] <gryman> Now it's all current
[00:58] <Muscovy> My fault for that one I fear. :P
[00:58] <gryman> hehe
[00:58] <MadnessRed> i made ubuntu-one, sorry, someone asked for it to be changed
[01:12] <Muscovy> For some reason, only page 1 of Ubuntu One is being displayed on the main branch.
[01:13] <gryman> Did you try going back and then next?
[01:14] <gryman> Or go back twice
[01:14] <Muscovy> Just topic select, then next.
[01:14] <gryman> Might be because there's no page 0
[01:14] <gryman> actually there is
[01:15] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[01:15] <gryman> Looks like it's starting on page 1 and not 0
[01:15] <Muscovy> It's starting on 0 for me.
[01:16] <Muscovy> Um.
[01:17] <gryman> Looks like it calls 0 1
[01:17] <gryman> and when you hit next it goes to 2, which isn't there
[01:17] <gryman> and when you go back it goes to 1, but it calls the real 1
[01:18] <Muscovy> Inserting a 2 shows the 2.
[01:19] <gryman> Here's what I see
[01:19] <gryman> ubuntu one
[01:19] <gryman> 0
[01:19] <gryman> change section
[01:19] <gryman> Could not find  en_US using en
[01:19] <gryman> 1
[01:19] <gryman> next
[01:19] <gryman> 1
[01:19] <gryman> get_next
[01:19] <gryman> Could not find  en_US using en
[01:19] <gryman> 2
[01:19] <gryman> back
[01:19] <gryman> 2
[01:19] <gryman> get_next
[01:19] <gryman> Could not find  en_US using en
[01:19] <gryman> 1
[01:19] <Muscovy> I'm not too worried, since that is the old code anyways.
[01:21] <gryman> They all do that
[01:22] <gryman> You have to click back first once on a new section
[01:22] <MadnessRed> odd, do you have the newest code
[01:22] <MadnessRed> because the newest code doesn't output text to start with unless you set debug to 1
[01:24] <Muscovy> MadnessRed, we're talking about the main branch, not the code one.
[01:25] <MadnessRed> ok
[01:25] <MadnessRed> then I wouldn't worry about errors in the code there, a lot has changed
[01:59] <celsojunior> hi
[02:01] <mast`> hello
[02:15] <Muscovy> I can't seem to add images to the tour.
[02:35] <fieldse> greetings. Do we have any senior project members here?
[02:35] <fieldse> Senior-ish?
[02:57] <fieldse> muscovy, popey - when you get back, are either of you two project leaders for this?
[02:57] <laurent_> What is the default maverick icon theme?
[02:57] <fieldse> I've set up a wiki page for the volunteers list, when someone with authority to do so comes around, I'd like to get approval for it.
[02:57] <fieldse> laurent_, hi.
[02:57] <laurent_> hi
[02:57] <fieldse> IDK, let me check and see what I've got
[02:58] <laurent_> is it humanity
[02:58] <laurent_> My system is an upgrade not a fresh install and I have been using Faenza as the default icon set since it came out
[03:01] <fieldse> Ack, just realized I'm on my Karmic system.
[03:01] <fieldse> I think it's humanity
[03:01] <fieldse> My Maverick system is down for repair, since I was banging on it to get the cpu fan unstuck. =/
[03:02] <fieldse> laurent_, Mine also upgrade and not install - I was wondering about this, does it not change default themes, etc when you do this?
[03:02] <laurent_> Also is there a way to pass variables from the python script in to the HTML of the documents
[03:02] <laurent_> I'm adding icons to the firefox tour
[03:02] <laurent_> showing the back buttons etc.
[03:02] <fieldse> That, I do not know. I just started learning python literally yesterday.
[03:02] <fieldse> Cool!
[03:02] <laurent_> ideally I would use the python gettheme.py thing to send the paths
[03:03] <fieldse> This reads the GNOME theme config and sends back the results?
[03:04] <Muscovy> fieldse: I'm one of the leaders.
[03:04] <fieldse> laurent_, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/humanity-icon-theme-update-comes-in.html
[03:04] <Muscovy> Do you actually need administrative permission, or are you just asking?
[03:04] <fieldse> ^ on "humanity" theme
[03:05] <fieldse> Hey, muscovy - I am just asking to  get it a look-over and approval to start directing people to this list to sign up.
[03:05] <Muscovy> URL please?
[03:06] <fieldse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Volunteers
[03:06] <Muscovy> laurent_: Not sure what you're doing, but do you need the icons? We were probably going to use screenshots.
[03:07] <laurent_> For the firefox page in code-development it explicitly labels the back forward reload buttons
[03:07] <laurent_> I was linking in the icon
[03:07] <laurent_> reinforces the message
[03:10] <Muscovy> Ok.
[03:11] <Muscovy> fieldse: Looks good. :D
[03:11] <Muscovy> I'll throw some links to the wiki on the main site after school tomorrow.
[03:12] <fieldse> Awesome. I would like to make a clearer way for someone to sign up for specific task from the to-do list but I don't want to clutter it up. I figure that as long as the volunteers start piling up on the list, then "project sector leaders" can send out a shout to their entire team list when they're ready to delegate.
[03:12] <Omega> same here
[03:12] <fieldse> Thanks!
[03:12] <Omega> sleepy time!
[03:13] <fieldse> Ho-kay, good night omega , thanks muscovy - I'll start emailing members from the list archive to sign up
[03:13] <fieldse> peace
[03:25] <gryman> Looks like the wiki is having login issues
[04:08] <kuroq> keyerror in tour.py
[04:08] <kuroq> http://paste.ubuntu.com/492880/
[04:09] <fieldse> greetings.
[04:09] <aksharpatel47> Getting unknowntimezoneerror while logging onto the ubuntu-tour wiki
[04:09] <fieldse> No login issues, I was just editing.
[04:09] <fieldse> Try again
[04:09] <fieldse> There's already been 4 signups at the volunteers list, so it was probably just locked.
[04:10] <aksharpatel47> It says its a bug
[04:10] <aksharpatel47> and tells me to report the bug to moinmoin wiki
[04:11] <mast`> I started translating the available text to french, did anybody else sign up for this?
[04:11] <fieldse> Negative, we have no french translation signed up at the list yet.
[04:12] <fieldse> aksharpatel47, it may be a bug but I think it was just locked - Have you tried again?
[04:12] <mast`> good stuff.
[04:12] <fieldse> mast`, =)
[04:12] <aksharpatel47> ya. I'm getting the same bug report. And the same message to report the bug
[04:13] <aksharpatel47> In the bugs list
[04:13] <aksharpatel47> I'm finding a similar bug
[04:13] <fieldse> muscovy, aprilg >> Made minor edits to the wiki mainpage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour. Let me know if I need to clear these kinds of thing for future purposes.
[04:13] <fieldse> aksharpatel47, send me link to bug?
[04:13] <aksharpatel47> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UnknownTimeZoneError?highlight=%28unknowntimezoneerror%29
[04:15] <fieldse> Oy, sorry. Well, are you just trying to sign up?
[04:15] <aksharpatel47> ya
[04:15] <fieldse> If you'll give me the information you want posted, I'll put it up for you.
[04:15] <aksharpatel47> I was trying to sign up for editing as well as a programmer
[04:16] <aksharpatel47> and translator for Indian languages
[04:16] <fieldse> cool.
[04:17] <fieldse> name / email address? and what programming languages / skills?
[04:17] <Muscovy> fieldse: that's perfectly fine, just ask us if you're doing a major overhaul or something. :D
[04:17] <aprilg> fieldse i think minor edits are ok ;)
[04:18] <aksharpatel47> Akshar Patel / akshar.patel.47@gmail.com / Know Python, Learning GTK / Languages Known : English, Hindi, Gujarati
[04:18] <aprilg> hi all, who else is working on content right now?
[04:18] <Muscovy> Context?
[04:18] <aprilg> content
[04:18] <aprilg> text :)
[04:18] <fieldse> tent
[04:18] <mast`> like camping
[04:18] <fieldse> lol
[04:19] <fieldse> aksharpatel47, okay, thanks. I'll put it up!
[04:19] <aksharpatel47> okay
[04:19] <aksharpatel47> thanks
[04:19] <aksharpatel47> :)
[04:19] <aprilg> Muscovy i'm redoing most of the text right now (converting to html from plain text). where should i push the changes?
[04:19] <fieldse> no prob
[04:19] <mast`> I joined as a member, if I want to start pushing my translations should I give you my info as well?
[04:19] <Muscovy> aprilg: unless it's change in the last hour, lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development
[04:20] <Muscovy> Though I think soon we should import the new code into the main branch, since it's changed a lot.
[04:20] <aprilg> yeah, we should do that :)
[04:20] <aprilg> i like how the tour's looking so far
[04:21] <Muscovy> I'll feel safer if MadnessRed or one of the coders give the go-ahead there.
[04:21] <Muscovy> Me too. ;D
[04:21] <mast`> I translated about half of the available text into french so far
[04:21] <mast`> I'd like to also program though
[04:23] <aprilg> mast` you can go ahead and contribute to the code
[04:23] <laurent_> Does anyone know if there is a way to use py variables in the HTML?
[04:23] <laurent_> Currently it looks like it's being done the other way around
[04:23] <Muscovy> fieldse, aprilg, I'm not sure who wrote it, but the wiki page specifies lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development. As far as I know, that's the coding branch, with writing/translations going in lp:ubuntu-tour.
[04:24] <laurent_> The HTML contain {{var}} which is then parsed by tour.py
[04:24] <laurent_> but that means it's going to require separate parsing for every instance
[04:25] <laurent_> Muscovy, currently the lp:ubuntu-tour doesn't have the webkit stuff though
[04:25] <laurent_> so you can't see how your changes look in the program if you're doing HTML
[04:25] <Muscovy> Hmm, I think I'll bring the devcode into the main then.
[04:25] <Muscovy> It's been a few hours since it's had a fatal bug.
[04:26] <laurent_> the code-dev is working fine for me
[04:26] <Muscovy> And I don't fancy merging between two parallel branches.
[04:26] <fieldse> muscovy, what should wiki page link to instead?
[04:26] <laurent_> Both
[04:26] <laurent_> :P
[04:26] <Muscovy> Or perhaps perpendicular branches. :|
[04:26] <Muscovy> Both.
[04:26] <Muscovy> Specify code and writing.
[04:26] <Muscovy> I'll put the new code into the main branch right now.
[04:27] <fieldse> Hokay. So, "contribute code at lp:..../code-development. Contribute writing at lp:ubuntu-tour."
[04:27] <Muscovy> Yep.
[04:27] <fieldse> aite, done
[04:28] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[04:28] <laurent_> If a voice over is used with the tour, would it be an electronic voice?
[04:29] <laurent_> or would someone with a nice voice do it?
[04:29] <aprilg> i'd prefer someone with a nice voice :D
[04:29] <laurent_> Who has a nice voice
[04:29] <laurent_> in the trans-atlantic accent lol
[04:29] <Muscovy> Mark Shuttleworth?
[04:29] <aprilg> hahaha
[04:29] <laurent_> If that was actually possible it would be amazing
[04:29] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[04:30] <fieldse> Maybe we can get Jono Bacon to do it.  ;D
[04:30] <Muscovy> Well let's get to UDS-O and convince him. XD
[04:31] <gryman> Man, I leave for 30 mins and the channel comes alive
[04:31] <fieldse> I'd vote for James Earl Jones, it would give it that nice dramatic pitch.
[04:32] <mast`> Ubuntu, is the father... of all operating systems
[04:32] <Muscovy> Morgan Freeman.
[04:32] <laurent_> Daniel Day Lewis lol
[04:33] <laurent_> The Ubuntu Milkshake tour
[04:33] <Muscovy> Well somebody made an edit during my 30 seconds of local merging. :|
[04:35] <gryman> Morgan Freeman for sure
[04:35] <aprilg> Muscovy i think that was me hrhrhr
[04:35] <aprilg> just pushed a few minutes ago
[04:35] <Muscovy> It's up now.
[04:35] <Muscovy> Everyone, update your lp:ubuntu-tour's.
[04:35] <Muscovy> And scream if something crashes.
[04:36]  * Takyoji screams and jumps out the window
[04:36] <Muscovy> Thanks to whoever put in the icons.
[04:36] <Muscovy> OH GOD WHATS WRONG?
[04:37] <Takyoji> Nothing. :P
[04:37] <fieldse> Damn that Freeman!
[04:37] <laurent_> So you do like it?
[04:37] <laurent_> wrong?
[04:37]  * Takyoji checks out the repository.
[04:38] <gryman> What's the bzr command to update my local copy?
[04:38] <aprilg> bzr pull
[04:38] <gryman> aight
[04:38] <laurent_> bzr pull lp:ubuntu-tour
[04:38] <fieldse> Oh yeah, so now that I've done all this wiki-fying, I guess I need to ... actually see what the project looks like. =/
[04:38] <Muscovy> Is it pull or update?
[04:38] <gryman> update doesn't do anything
[04:38] <brandonj> pull
[04:38] <Muscovy> I listed update on the site.
[04:38] <Muscovy> Oh dear.
[04:38] <Muscovy> Fixing...
[04:38] <gryman> All update does is tell me I'm current, when I know I'm not
[04:40] <laurent_> All the <p> for every paragraph are kind of unnecessary
[04:40] <laurent_> tour.py converts all \n to <br />
[04:40] <aprilg> ah.. i get all the space now
[04:40] <aprilg> ok. changing. will push updates back in a bit
[04:41] <Muscovy> While I'm on the site, any particular edits or wikilinks I should make?
[04:43] <aprilg> maybe we can update the branch guide?
[04:43] <aprilg> include the code-dev branch there
[04:43] <Muscovy> Sure.
[04:44] <gryman> aprilg, are you removing some of that white space now?
[04:45] <gryman> Is there going to be a way to weight the categories?
[04:46] <mast`> maybe I should slow down on french translations and wait for the entire english edits are in
[04:46] <laurent_> I think in the bazaar help I noticed some changes that needed to be made
[04:46] <laurent_> but I think it relates to the split between the code-dev and the main
[04:47] <Muscovy> mast`: that would be more efficient.
[04:47] <laurent_> yeah upload your work doesn't include both
[04:47] <laurent_> but I suppose most of the coders aren't going to need that
[04:50] <aprilg> gryman yep
[04:50] <gryman> So, I did a pull, changed a typo, did a commit, then went to push, and somehow I ended up with uncommited changes?
[04:51] <gryman> Oh, and there was a merge in there somewhere
[04:51] <Muscovy> The icons in FIrefox and Places menu don't detect from user's settings.
[04:52] <Muscovy> In my case, the Firefox ones don't even show, because my Humanity folder has been mostly dismantled.
[04:52] <aprilg> hmm, can anyone help me with this 'branches have diverged' error?
[04:53] <gryman> bzr merge
[04:53] <aprilg> ok. thanks!
[04:54] <laurent_> remember everyone when starting a new directory the files start at 0 not 1
[04:54] <laurent_> Muscovy, humanity is the default theme no?
[04:54] <laurent_> This is why I was asking about the variables though
[04:55] <laurent_> I guess I'll need to access gconf there or something to make sure it detects the correct icons
[04:55] <Muscovy> I just tinker oddly.
[04:55] <Muscovy> But yeah, that would be best.
[05:03] <mast`> Would there be a bit more info on the use of DBus to track the process of the tour?
[05:04] <laurent_> it will need to use dbus eventually
[05:04] <laurent_> especially if it wants auto progression
[05:04] <Muscovy> We discussed this in the planning phase.
[05:04] <Muscovy> The problem with DBus is we'll need to do a LOT of patching.
[05:04] <mast`> stuff like, if the user is on the open office tour the app will wait for the user to create a new document him/herself become continuing ?
[05:04] <Muscovy> For 90% of what we want, there's a bash command, I'll grab it.
[05:05] <mast`> become = before*
[05:05] <Muscovy> pgrep firefox | xargs ps
[05:06] <Muscovy> We can use that to determine running processes, which works in a lot of places.
[05:08] <gryman> ugh, did I delete the network files?
[05:08] <Muscovy> Branch?
[05:09] <Muscovy> Yep.
[05:09] <Muscovy> I'll get it back.
[05:09] <gryman> That doesn't make any sense
[05:09] <Muscovy> My disjointed speech?
[05:09] <gryman> I think laurent renamed them, as did I
[05:09] <gryman> No, that they're missing
[05:09] <gryman> or deleted
[05:11] <Muscovy> They seem to have been missing for a while.
[05:11] <laurent_> aprilg did you intend to overwrite the changes I made to 4_places?
[05:11] <laurent_> I renamed the networking files
[05:11] <gryman> Muscovy: I see laurent renamed them to start at 0 14 minutes ago, so they can't be missing that long
[05:11] <Muscovy> Did you run bzr add afterwards?
[05:11] <laurent_> but I think the latest revision may have had a weird merge
[05:12] <Muscovy> Whoops, my bad, pulling the wrong revisions.
[05:12] <gryman> Do you have to add? I thought you just did a bzr mv file1 file2
[05:12] <aprilg> crap. laurent_ no. waaa :( did i?
[05:12] <Muscovy> They're in 59.
[05:12] <Muscovy> I'm heading to bed, talk to you guys tomorrow.
[05:12] <gryman> heh
[05:12] <gryman> night
[05:13] <aprilg> laurent_ sorry about that ..
[05:14] <laurent_> all good
[05:14] <gryman> laurent_: So, not sure if you want to add those network files back
[05:14] <gryman> They're missing in 60
[05:14] <gryman> afaik
[05:14] <laurent_> ok I'll make sure they're there in a mo
[05:14] <gryman> alright
[05:15] <gryman> When I wrote them I wasn't thinking about starting with 0, that's my fault
[05:15] <laurent_> all good
[05:15] <laurent_> I'm pushing it now
[05:16] <gryman> There we go, thanks
[05:19] <laurent_> why do workspaces come first in the tour?
[05:20] <gryman> Because the categories don't seem to be weighted or ordered
[05:20] <gryman> Desktop Configuration should come after About Ubuntu
[05:20] <laurent_> yeah it's a bug in the python sorting I guess
[05:20] <laurent_> it goes 1 then 11
[05:21] <gryman> and Networks should probably come before most other internet dependent items
[05:23] <laurent_> yeah
[05:23] <laurent_> I suppose the ordering of the content isn't too important just yet
[05:23] <laurent_> I'll file a bug though
[05:23] <gryman> Maybe prefix the dirs with a number, much like the actual files
[05:27] <laurent_> I don't mean just the directories
[05:27] <laurent_> I mean the actual files inside
[05:27] <laurent_> it will go from 1_... to 11_...
[05:31] <gryman> Oh
[05:31] <gryman> I didn't notice that
[05:31] <gryman> I'm adding more info for shotwell now
[05:32] <aprilg> how do i rename the desktop-configuration folder to desktop-customization ? do i just change it locally then push the changes to the branch?
[05:35] <gryman> No, you'd want to use bzr mv file1 file2
[05:35] <gryman> You think it really needs renaming?
[05:35] <laurent_> it's not important
[05:37] <aprilg> configuration is diff from customizing. most of the topics on there are for customizing the desktop
[05:38] <laurent_> the user isn't going to see that directory
[05:39] <gryman> But you customize through configuring
[05:39] <mast`> Just wondering. The tour will "hold" while the user launches applications, right?
[05:39] <gryman> It's just symantecs
[05:42] <mast`> it could be interesting if the user was reading about open office and the tour paused and said: "to launch open office's word processor go to applications->office->OpenOffice.org Word Processor" then resumed after the user did so
[05:43] <mast`> and checking for opened apps would be incredibly easy
[05:43] <gryman> Do we want to walk them through each of the OOo apps?
[05:43] <gryman> Or just show them where it's at, what it does, and where to get more details information on usage?
[05:44] <mast`> probably not
[05:44] <gryman> That's what I've been doing for the more advanced topics. Briefly mention them, what it can do, and then where to go for more info on that subject
[05:44] <gryman> So they don't feel like you left them hanging
[05:45] <mast`> I see
[05:46] <aprilg> ok :) leaving desktop folder as is
[05:46] <aprilg> gotta go :) be back in a bit
[05:46] <aprilg> thanks guys!
[05:48] <gryman> mast`: Otherwise right now I'd be explaining color curves in Gimp instead of just telling them that they can get more information on usage from http://www.gimp.org/
[05:49] <laurent_> this is a tour
[05:49] <laurent_> overall it shouldn't really last more than 5 minutes
[05:49] <laurent_> it's showing the very basics
[05:50] <laurent_> the most important parts should be that they know how to launch an application, connect to the internet and most of all install software, as unless they own a smart phone, it will be a somewhat unfamiliar technique to new users
[05:50] <mast`> then I don't see the use of DBus / scanning for processes
[05:50] <gryman> Maybe later we could do a normal "starter" tour, and then a "power" tour that has more topics
[05:51] <laurent_> mast if they fail to open an application, how does the tour know?
[05:51] <laurent_> or continue
[05:51] <laurent_> ideally I don't think they should have to click next at all
[05:51] <mast`> it could open it for them on a timer
[05:52] <laurent_> then they haven't learned anything
[05:53] <mast`> laurent_: it should be safe to assume that if the person does the tour they're at least trying to learn
[05:53] <laurent_> true
[05:53] <mast`> I can see that having them launch open office might be pointless
[05:54] <laurent_> yeah, in someways much of the content goes beyond a tour
[05:54] <laurent_> some of it mimics a help guide, which already exists
[05:54] <laurent_> some of it mimics content that is better suited to the Ubuntu manual
[05:54] <mast`> things like opening the main menu though could be nice
[05:55] <laurent_> my personal opinion is that the tour should be concise
[05:55] <laurent_> yeah basically teaching the basic user interface
[05:55] <gryman> Well, I'm adding content, and if it's not needed it can be cut out
[05:55] <laurent_> yeah I've been adding content too
[05:55] <gryman> Better to have too much and remove some then not enough
[05:55] <mast`> laurent_: I agree on the fact that it should be concise, in and out in 5 minutes on average (with people spending more time on it as needed)
[05:55] <laurent_> it's easier to sort a bunch of content than not have enough... exactly
[05:56] <gryman> I still think a "power" option would be neat
[05:56] <laurent_> I also think the text should be minimal... they have just installed, a new user will be a bit overwhelmed
[05:56] <laurent_> a nice soothing encouraging voice
[05:56] <laurent_> to help them
[05:56] <laurent_> with friendly images
[05:56] <laurent_> gently guiding through their new and powerful OS
[05:56] <gryman> I guess we're attracting Windows users then?  :P
[05:57] <laurent_> no, someone who has never used ubuntu before
[05:57] <gryman> Come on, it was a little funny
[05:57] <gryman> :P
[05:57] <laurent_> yeah
[05:57] <mast`> laurent_: especially since some languages might take up more space than english... I know that going through some drafts in french I ended up with translations that were sometimes much longer
[05:57] <laurent_> anyone who has used ubuntu more than a month would probably find a tour pointless no?
[05:58] <gryman> Depends on why they're using it
[05:58] <laurent_> mast precisely, it will make translating easier and faster to keep it concise
[05:58] <laurent_> but then adding audio would require that we find people to do audio translations in every language, which may be even harder
[05:58] <gryman> Someones spouse might use Ubuntu for a while before finding the tour and watching it
[05:59] <gryman> The tour could be useful to schools as well
[05:59] <gryman> Cut down on initial direction
[05:59] <laurent_> very good point
[06:00] <laurent_> for the translations, once everything is stable, launchpad should be used
[06:02] <laurent_> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject
[06:02] <gryman> Ok, added shotwell tags, editing, and publishing
[06:03] <gryman> My shotwell has almost 8k photos
[06:03] <gryman> :D
[06:07] <mast`> there should be a list of precise screenshots to be taken so they can start being localized ;)
[06:07] <gryman> Yeah
[06:07] <laurent_> I think there is talk of using open shot
[06:07] <laurent_> or quickshot or what ever it is called
[06:07] <gryman> To do a slideshow?
[06:07] <gryman> Open shot is a video editor
[06:08] <laurent_> the thing they used in ubuntu manual to take all the screens
[06:08] <mast`> quickshot
[06:08] <gryman> greg@moniker:~$ search quickshot
[06:08] <gryman> greg@moniker:~$
[06:09] <mast`> that's the tool they use in ubuntu-manuel
[06:09] <mast`> manual*
[06:09] <laurent_> http://ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[06:09] <mast`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[06:09] <mast`> oh, you beat me to it
[06:11] <fieldse> What screenshots are needed?
[06:11] <fieldse> Can we start a list there on the etherpad?
[06:11] <laurent_> who knows just yet
[06:11] <laurent_> or the wiki
[06:11] <fieldse> I was wondering about that - seems like we need to keep the wiki updated from the etherpad, as that's most current, yes?
[06:11] <laurent_> I'd say definitely a screenie of each menu
[06:12] <laurent_> an open networks indicator, while it is disconnected
[06:12] <gryman> A list of SS's would be great
[06:12] <laurent_> the wiki should probably take over from the etherpad now that it exists
[06:12] <fieldse> FWIW, shutter kicks ass for screenshots.
[06:12] <laurent_> though the colouring of etherpad is nice
[06:12] <gryman> Shutter is cool
[06:13] <gryman> I like it
[06:13] <laurent_> a screenshot of the various installation procedures of software centre
[06:13] <fieldse> Agreed, I think that it's better to have it in one location, even if it means losing the coloration. At least the new visitors would be able to see what's up
[06:13] <laurent_> as again, that's one of the most important things for a person who is unfamiliar with linux, esp ubuntu
[06:13] <fieldse> but up to y'all?
[06:13] <mast`> Quickshot is pretty automated though
[06:14] <laurent_> Quickshot would need to be customised for this project
[06:15] <fieldse> Installation procedures, that's good.
[06:15] <fieldse> I'm going to start a ss list on the pad
[06:16] <laurent_> installation?
[06:23] <gryman> Ok, the boss said it's time for bed
[06:24] <gryman> I'll be back tomorrow morning
[06:24] <laurent_> cya
[06:25] <mast`> see ya
[06:27] <mast`> fieldse: are you creating the list of ss on Etherpad?
[06:31] <laurent_> another purpose aside from teaching the newest user how to use ubuntu would be to show an existing user the new features
[06:32] <fieldse> Yes.
[06:33] <fieldse> mast`, ^
[06:33] <laurent_> but then again the ubiquity tour in installation will no doubt do a lot of that too
[06:35] <laurent_> Silasle, there seems to be a bug with the progression of the tour
[06:36] <laurent_> when you open it, the about ubuntu chapter has more than 10 entries
[06:36] <laurent_> I'm consistently having it jump from 1 to 11 then to 2
[06:36] <laurent_> etc.
[06:36] <Silasle> Ok, i check that later today
[06:40] <mast`> fieldse: I can help out with that if you want. Wanna keep the list you have there an add beside each item what the screenshot should be?
[06:40] <mast`> ie. Firefox -> How to launch it (screenshot: application->internet->firefox highlighted)
[06:41] <fieldse> mast` Hey, yes. I would like help with that, cuz I don't know what's needed.
[06:41] <mast`> I'll start from the bottom of the list? :p
[06:41] <fieldse> I've not been keeping up to speed with the writers' chatter, so I don't know exactly what they're working on.
[06:41] <Silasle> laurent_: Also the last page seems to be in some other language.
[06:41] <fieldse> or what they're wanting "highlighted"
[06:42] <laurent_> What last page?
[06:42] <Silasle> In about-ubuntu
[06:42] <laurent_> in code-dev or ubuntu-tour?
[06:42] <Silasle> code-dev
[06:42] <Silasle> Portuguese
[06:43] <laurent_> someone added that to the wrong folder obviously
[06:43] <laurent_> but the language file are being handled in the main
[06:43] <maheshmohan> laurent_ , are you talking to me?
[06:43] <fieldse> mast`, What am I helping with here? Are we just adding (screenshot) to end of each item?
[06:44] <laurent_> in fact it would probably be wise to take out most of the language files from code-dev if that doesn't affect the merges
[06:44] <laurent_> maheshmohan, I was talking to Silasle
[06:45] <maheshmohan> ok. Can you listen to me, to solve my problem, after solving Silasle's ?
[06:45] <laurent_> go ahead
[06:46] <maheshmohan> i fixed a typo in 'about-ubuntu' section. but, when i tried to commit i got 'these branches are diverged' error. What to do?
[06:46] <mast`> fieldse: I thought that was the idea. Have a list of each "article" and add what the screenshot that goes with it should be
[06:46] <Silasle> laurent_: I get the order 0123456789,10,11,12,(13)
[06:47] <laurent_> you don't get the workspaces as the second slide?
[06:47] <Silasle> No
[06:47] <laurent_> I'm getting that consistently
[06:47] <laurent_> maheshmohan you will need to type the command bzr merge
[06:47] <Silasle> Whit the latest from code-dev?
[06:47] <laurent_> what happened is someone has added a push since you pulled
[06:48] <maheshmohan> ok. I will try
[06:48] <laurent_> we merged the code-dev in to lp:ubuntu-tour earlier
[06:48] <laurent_> so they should pretty much be the same, but yes both
[06:48] <Silasle> Hmm, for me it's ok.
[06:48] <laurent_> Silasle, try clicking off about-ubuntu to another chapter, then return to it and see if that makes it happen
[06:49] <maheshmohan> laurent, I merged, but, I got "nothing to do" as output.
[06:49] <Silasle> No, second is "Ubuntu is a free, open ......"
[06:50] <Silasle> And then panel, aplication menu and so on
[06:50] <laurent_> have you pulled the latest?
[06:50] <laurent_> I'm not even getting ubuntu is a free, open....
[06:51] <maheshmohan> I pulled it 2 hours ago(using bzr branch command)
[06:51] <Silasle>   Yep, latest
[06:52] <laurent_> odd
[06:53] <laurent_> my first slide says "Welcome to ubuntu tour"
[06:53] <mast`> lp:ubuntu-tour doesn't work for me :/
[06:53] <laurent_> The second says "Ubuntu Workspaces"
[06:53] <Silasle> bbl
[06:53] <laurent_> 3 is "The Ubuntu desktop is designed to be efficient and very easy to use."
[06:53] <laurent_> what's the full command you're running mast?
[06:55] <laurent_> ok my 1_what is ubuntu is not showing at all, it's showing the 11_workspaces instead of 1_
[06:55] <laurent_> what's the full command you're running mast`?
[06:56] <mast`> laurent_: just updated with bzr pull
[06:56] <mast`> and running with python ubuntu-tour.py
[07:03] <fieldse> mast`, this is starting to look good. Much more orderly.
[07:04] <mast`> what about the remove a package screenshot?
[07:05] <mast`> either the list of all installed packages, with emphasis on the uninstall button
[07:05] <mast`> or the actual packages window
[07:05] <mast`> package's*
[07:09] <maheshmohan> laurent, I solved my problem. One doubt, can I use this for contribution, or is it dead/ http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75
[07:10] <laurent_> That or the wiki
[07:11] <laurent_> try use the wiki if you can, it's more accessible
[07:11] <mast`> lp:ubuntu-tour is the working branch right?
[07:11] <fieldse> whew.
[07:11] <laurent_> lp:ubuntu-tour is for the authoring of the text
[07:12] <mast`> it looks pretty good fieldse :)
[07:12] <laurent_> for the code use the code-development branch
[07:12] <mast`> ah, that would explain it
[07:12] <laurent_> then that gets merged back while stable
[07:13] <fieldse> Awesome work, mast`! I'm about done for an evening, I think.
[07:13] <maheshmohan> Can I get the wiki link?
[07:13] <fieldse> Hey maheshmohan :
[07:13] <fieldse> This is the "todo list": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo
[07:14] <fieldse> And the volunteers list wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Volunteers
[07:14] <fieldse> I move that we copy the etherpad to the wiki and close it out - anyone actively working on it right now?
[07:15] <maheshmohan> fieldse, ok.thanks. I just refrred it to make a page for trash in about-ubuntu section
[07:15] <fieldse> maheshmohan, cool, thanks.
[07:15] <laurent_> What is the correct procedure for dealing with a merge conflict?
[07:16] <fieldse> o_O
[07:30] <mast`> Anyone thought of a way to put emphasis on stuff on screen?
[07:31] <laurent__> huh?
[07:32] <mast`> from the wiki: The app needs to indicate to users on the screen a certain location of interest. We need some way of rendering arrows or boxes on the screen (outside of the main app window) to highlight things.
[07:35] <laurent__> my idea was a low opacity set of concentric circles
[07:35] <laurent__> but I don't think the app has got to that stage
[07:35] <laurent__> It's outside my capabilities
[07:36] <maheshmohan> one unrelated doubt
[07:36] <laurent__> ?
[07:37] <maheshmohan> I can't login to the wiki. I got "UnknownTimeZoneError"
[07:37] <laurent__> someone had that earlier
[07:37] <mast`> I think compiz would be able to do that
[07:38] <maheshmohan> Also, I'm going to create a new file. so, what I have to do? pull, create file, add, commit, merge. am I right?
[07:38] <maheshmohan> is this the order?
[07:38] <laurent__> no merge
[07:38] <laurent__> you push
[07:39] <maheshmohan> ok.thanks
[07:39] <maheshmohan> what is merge for?
[07:39] <laurent__> when your branch and the central branch are out of sync
[07:41] <maheshmohan> ok. waht to do for wiki error?
[07:41] <laurent__> I don't know sorry
[07:42] <laurent__> mast` are you editing the wiki?
[07:42] <laurent__> it's possible only one person can edit the wiki at a time
[07:43] <mast`> laurent__: nop
[07:43] <laurent__> fieldse was it you who had the "UnknownTimeZoneError" in the wiki before?
[07:44] <maheshmohan> how I know, when my revison is accepted by the team?
[07:45] <laurent__> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UnknownTimeZoneError?highlight=%28unknowntimezoneerror%29
[07:45] <laurent__> that was the link provided before
[07:47] <maheshmohan> laurent, I cant get you
[07:50] <laurent__> your revisions have been added to bazaar maheshmohan
[07:50] <laurent__> is that what you meant?
[07:50] <maheshmohan> ok. I meant, is it accepted? Because, It is not listed in my launcpad page
[08:02] <laurent__> it takes a while to update everything sometimes
[08:02] <laurent__> but your changes are in the branch
[08:05] <mast`> i'm off for the night, see ya
[08:06] <maheshmohan> thanks laurent. Now I have to find a solution for editing wiki page
[08:15] <laurent__> perhaps try temporarily changing your timezone
[11:24] <aprilg1> fieldse the link to the volunteers list on the main page (in the box for pages) is broken :)
[11:25] <aprilg1> how do i change that?
[11:28] <aprilg> fieldse i meant the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[11:39] <aprilg> figured it out :) fixed the link
[12:36] <fieldse> oh, hi. nice. So you pierced the depths of my wiki prestidigitation, eh?
[12:36] <fieldse> =P
[12:36] <fieldse>  -> switching machines, bbl
[13:35] <GiulioC> hi all
[13:37] <aksharpatel47> hi
[13:46] <GiulioC> I have a problem on updating my local bzr branch from internet...
[13:46] <GiulioC> yesterday i downloaded using bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour
[13:47] <GiulioC> today trying to update this folder, it shows that it's already at the lastest revision
[13:48] <GiulioC> but it's actually 73, on my pc it's 40
[13:50] <GiulioC> and using bzr update lp:ubuntu-tour i get this error: I have a problem on updating my local bzr branch from internet...
[13:51] <GiulioC> ops sorry
[13:52] <GiulioC> bzr: ERROR No WorkingTree exists for "bzr+shh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/ubuntu-tour/"
[13:59] <daker> GiulioC, do $ bzr version-info
[13:59] <daker> in your branch folder
[14:01] <GiulioC> mmm, now i have downloaded another branch folder...because I didn't changed anything from yesterday...
[14:02] <daker> or if you still have to old branch just do
[14:02] <daker> $ bzr pull
[14:03] <GiulioC> ok thanks
[14:03] <daker> s/to/the
[14:08] <daker> GiulioC, nop
[14:14] <Omega> Good day guys.
[14:15] <GiulioC> when can we start to translate in other languages?
[14:15] <GiulioC> hi omega
[14:16] <Omega> You can already start.
[14:16] <Omega> You just make the folders for the corresponding language
[14:16] <Omega> and start translating
[14:16] <GiulioC> for italian is "it" or "it_IT"
[14:18] <GiulioC> ?
[14:24] <GiulioC> who wrote shotwell missing sections?
[14:25] <Omega> GiulioC: You need both
[14:25] <Omega> if it cannot find your region it falls back to it
[14:25] <gryman> I don't see a missing section for shotwell
[14:25] <Omega> I don't know how many kinds of italian there are
[14:25] <gryman> I wrote tags, editing, and publish
[14:26] <GiulioC> ah ok I saw...gryman can I modify a bit yours?
[14:26] <GiulioC> :)
[14:26] <gryman> of course
[14:28] <GiulioC> btw I'll use "it" for italian...because it's only speech in Italy...and a bit in Swizerland...but not so much..
[14:29] <gryman> GiulioC: Are you going to add a "missing" section for shotwell?
[14:31] <GiulioC> no, I wrote "missing" because they weren't made by me
[14:38] <gryman> Oh
[14:46] <Silasle> Are we using 639-1 language code standard?
[14:59] <aksharpatel47> do you think we should start a facebook page for Ubuntu
[14:59] <aksharpatel47> Tour project?
[15:04] <mast`> couldn't hurt
[15:06] <aksharpatel47> would be better if it's official though
[15:14] <Omega> We don't need a facebook page per se.
[15:14] <Omega> I don't particularly like facebook.
[15:15] <gryman> Even if they're the bane of your existence, it could generate some interest
[15:15] <gryman> I don't like FB much either, but I do use it to keep in touch with family
[15:15] <mast`> nobody likes facebook :p but it's a good way to reach people when you have something to display
[15:15] <GiulioC> neither do i
[15:16] <Omega> 15/9/01 is the release date of diaspora
[15:17] <GiulioC> Wednesday?
[15:17] <gryman> Did you mean 15/9/10?
[15:18] <Omega> yes
[15:23] <gryman> Never know with different date formats
[15:23] <gryman> Wasn't sure if you meant 9/15/2015
[15:23] <gryman> or something like that
[15:24] <GiulioC> gryman, where are you from?
[15:24] <gryman> US
[15:24] <GiulioC> in Italy we use to write date DD/MM/YEAR
[15:24] <gryman> Yeah, most of Europe does
[15:25] <mast`> we do in Canada as well
[15:26] <gryman> I hate having to use Windows for my class
[16:03] <GiulioC> I have to go
[16:03] <gryman> Bathroom is down the hall
[16:04] <gryman> third door on your left
[16:04] <GiulioC> no thanks I don't need the bathroom
[16:04] <GiulioC> :P
[16:04] <GiulioC> i have to do some homework
[16:04] <gryman> That's what I'm trying to do now
[16:05] <GiulioC> can i update the branch with my modifications?
[16:06] <GiulioC> I started to add some translations in Italian and correct explanations
[16:06] <GiulioC> corrected some explanations*
[16:09] <GiulioC> then?
[16:09] <gryman> yep
[16:09] <GiulioC> ok
[16:12] <GiulioC> ok byez ;)
[16:21] <maheshmohan> Guys, what is the current status? Will it work when I pull the code & run 'python ubuntu-tour.py' file?
[16:21] <gryman> yep
[16:24] <maheshmohan> But, I found it not working
[16:24] <gryman> error?
[16:27] <Omega> Are you using GNOME?
[16:30] <maheshmohan> yes. I am. Error is http://pastebin.com/jGjhDgS1
[16:31] <Omega> Try running the stable branch
[16:34] <maheshmohan> where is it
[16:46] <maheshmohan> Omega, where is the stable branch? From what I know, there are two branches, one for code and another for writing
[16:47] <Omega> lp:~ubuntu-tour
[16:48] <mast`> code-development is for the code and ubuntu-tour for writing
[16:48] <maheshmohan> yes. I pulled from ubuntu-tour
[16:48] <maheshmohan> that code is not working
[16:48] <mast`> I get the same error you do, with both code-dev and ubuntu-tour
[16:52] <maheshmohan> also, can I start translating chapters now, or I have to wait for the project to finish?
[16:55] <mast`> maheshmohan: I remember seeing someone say that translations should wait until the english versions are final
[16:56] <maheshmohan> ok. But, somw guy commited italian translation just now. Thats why I asked
[16:57] <mast`> maheshmohan: yeah I know I also started working on the french stuff, but I don't think I'll push anything quite yet
[16:58] <maheshmohan> But, I think, the first chapter, 'about-ubuntu' is quite mature to start translating
[17:10] <gryman> They were saying they would use launchpad for translations once the main content was set
[17:52] <ayortano> Hello
[17:52] <Silasle> Hi ayortano
[17:54] <ayortano> To be precise, I really want to help as translator and editor.
[17:55] <Silasle> ayortano: Check this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/ under "How to Volunteer and Contribute"
[18:01] <ayortano> Thanks Silasle
[18:05] <kuro__> will this only be "ubuntu-tour", or is there also going to be a "kubuntu-tour"
[18:08] <ayortano> I add my name to the page in the wiki?
[18:08] <kuro__> yes
[18:08] <Silasle> ayortano: Yes
[18:09] <ayortano> Ok
[18:14] <ayortano> Is ok
[18:14] <ayortano> Im Federico Leite
[18:48] <MadnessRed> hm, I think we need a getting started tour
[18:48] <MadnessRed> the current one, when you start give you trash
[18:50] <MadnessRed> Also how about we move the menu to inside the html interface
[19:28] <MadnessRed> hi a;;
[19:29] <MadnessRed> a;; => all
[19:41] <aksharpatel47> hi
[19:43] <MadnessRed> any new updates?
[19:43] <aksharpatel47> nothing on the mailing list
[19:43] <Silasle> MadnessRed: http://pastebin.com/jGjhDgS1
[19:44] <aksharpatel47> Lots of people joining the project as can be seen on ubuntu wiki
[19:44] <aksharpatel47> what's in the link?
[19:44] <MadnessRed> a problem
[19:44] <Silasle> an bug report
[19:44] <MadnessRed> need to talk to the owner of the problem though
[19:45] <Silasle> It's maheshmohan
[19:45] <MadnessRed> Also Silasle, here is a quick ui mockup, what do you think?
[19:45] <MadnessRed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/493246/
[19:45] <MadnessRed> Ignore the spelling of Previous
[19:46] <Silasle> First comment, use http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups# for mockups :P
[19:47] <MadnessRed> ok, ignoring that
[19:47] <Silasle> Second comment, progress bar beside the buttons
[19:47] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:47] <Silasle> *Back next buttons
[19:47] <MadnessRed> yh
[19:48] <MadnessRed> but the left menu?
[19:48] <Silasle> At least better then it's now.
[19:49] <MadnessRed> Also, I am going to work on our bug report :)
[19:49] <MadnessRed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/636823
[19:50] <Silasle> And you have moved the get colors part to get_theme.py ?
[19:50] <Silasle> Ah, that one.
[19:51] <Silasle> What's whit that annoying scrollbar?
[19:53] <Silasle> I am going to test how it looks whit treeview
[19:56] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:56] <MadnessRed> don't commit though
[19:57] <MadnessRed> also what urls should be handled internally, and what ones externally
[19:57] <MadnessRed> should I just say, all file:// should be handled by us, and anything else should be passed to the default browser?
[19:57] <Silasle> Everything created by us internaly
[19:58] <Silasle> That you wrote!
[19:58] <MadnessRed> klkl
[19:58] <MadnessRed> so if uri[0:7] == 'file://': return 0
[19:58] <MadnessRed> kk
[19:59] <Silasle> Mmm, yes or "if "file:// in uri:return 0
[19:59] <Silasle> * if "file://" in uri: return 0
[20:00] <MadnessRed> also I don;t need an else after an if return do I
[20:01] <MadnessRed> I think we should spicify file:// being at the start
[20:01] <Silasle> If your other code doesn't need an 1 returned if it's not an file uri
[20:01] <Silasle> Then you don't need it
[20:02] <Omega> Good day guys.
[20:02] <Silasle> Hi Omega
[20:05] <MadnessRed> ok, I pushed it
[20:05] <Silasle> I cant pull now as i'm editing my file
[20:06] <MadnessRed> :/ pull first before you commit
[20:06] <MadnessRed> I edited ubuntu-tour.py
[20:08] <Silasle> It right now looks like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-18.png
[20:09] <Omega> I think we should move away from calling the chapters by program name and start calling them by task name
[20:09] <Silasle>   File "ubuntu-tour.py", line 22, in <module>
[20:09] <Silasle>     if sys.argv[1] == 'debug':
[20:09] <Silasle> IndexError: list index out of range
[20:09] <Silasle> MadnessRed: ^
[20:10] <MadnessRed> :/
[20:10] <Silasle> Omega: We will have folders like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/493246/
[20:10] <Omega> That looks so much better.
[20:10] <Omega> Also, I dig that mockup.
[20:11] <Omega> Did MadnessRed make that by hand?
[20:11] <MadnessRed> sorted
[20:11] <MadnessRed> He did
[20:11] <Omega> o:
[20:11] <Omega> Props;
[20:11] <Silasle> :P
[20:11] <MadnessRed> With gedit
[20:11] <Silasle> Ok, runs
[20:12] <MadnessRed> and it you add debug to the end of the command, eg, I do
[20:12] <MadnessRed> clear; ./ubuntu-tour.py debug
[20:12] <MadnessRed> then it will show the debug output
[20:12] <Silasle> Ok
[20:13] <Silasle> It's programmers day today: Make Happy Programmer Day cards using ASCII art ;)
[20:13] <MadnessRed> nice :)
[20:13] <MadnessRed> why today?
[20:13] <Silasle> Guess!
[20:14] <Silasle> It's the 256th day of the year (byte)
[20:15] <MadnessRed> kk
[20:16] <Omega> Oh it is? Happy programmers day guys!
[20:17] <Silasle> brb
[20:17] <MadnessRed> any you
[20:17] <MadnessRed> I don't suppose someone could allow me to mange bugs on the bug tracker
[20:17] <Omega> I will grant you the necessary powers.
[20:18] <MadnessRed> ty
[20:18] <Silasle> back
[20:19] <Omega> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour-bugs
[20:19] <Omega> Join that group
[20:19] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Do you know how to get the treeview clicks?
[20:19] <Omega> and you'll be able to manage them
[20:19] <MadnessRed> i think so
[20:20] <MadnessRed> actually single clicks can be difficult
[20:20] <MadnessRed> I think there is a workaround though
[20:20] <Silasle> But double clocks?
[20:20] <Silasle> *clicks
[20:20] <MadnessRed> connect("activated",function)
[20:21] <MadnessRed> but the treeview will be generated in tour.py
[20:21] <MadnessRed> with a simple callback function
[20:21] <MadnessRed> I think that is best
[20:21] <MadnessRed> then the entirety of tour management is in tour.py
[20:21] <MadnessRed> brb
[20:25] <MadnessRed> back
[20:26] <Silasle> activated not working
[20:26] <Silasle>   File "ubuntu-tour.py", line 92, in __init__
[20:26] <Silasle>     tree.connect("activated",self.callback,name)
[20:26] <Silasle> TypeError: <gtk.TreeView object at 0x9d717ac (GtkTreeView at 0x9db0020)>: unknown signal name: activated
[20:26] <Silasle> row-expanded works
[20:28] <Silasle> Ah, row-activated
[20:44] <Silasle> Hmm, i dont get that
[21:01] <Silasle> MadnessRed: It wasn't that easy, i have an treeview and i can change section but not change page
[21:02] <MadnessRed> ok, sorry, was not watching irc
[21:02] <MadnessRed> its active I think
[21:02] <MadnessRed> can you push you code then, I'll see what I can do with it
[21:02] <Silasle> It's row-activated
[21:03] <Silasle> But the only thing i get is something like (0,7) column 0 row 7
[21:03] <MadnessRed> oh right yh
[21:04] <Silasle> I'll send you an tar file
[21:04] <MadnessRed> ok
[21:05] <MadnessRed> madnessred@gmail.com
[21:06] <Silasle> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/tree.tar.gz
[21:08] <Silasle> That code is an bit messed up and may look strange but it was the best i could get  :|
[21:08] <MadnessRed> ok
[21:08] <MadnessRed> ok, the way that things will be organised, I think...
[21:09] <Silasle> ?
[21:09] <MadnessRed> ...
[21:09] <MadnessRed> in the folder
[21:09] <MadnessRed> code-project/tour/language
[21:09] <MadnessRed> should be a file tour.info
[21:09] <MadnessRed> Which should read something like:
[21:10] <MadnessRed> name:About Ubuntu
[21:10] <MadnessRed> parent:Uncatagorised
[21:10] <MadnessRed> position:1
[21:10] <Silasle> Yea
[21:10] <MadnessRed> that way we can also have titles in the correct language
[21:10] <Silasle> Mmm
[21:11] <MadnessRed> and we can manage case better
[21:12] <Silasle> Ah, you changed something
[21:19] <MadnessRed> I just uploaded a revised tour.info file
[21:19] <MadnessRed> I missed something last time
[21:19] <MadnessRed> I thinki
[21:19] <MadnessRed> #
[21:20] <Silasle> What's whit my treeview?
[21:24] <Silasle> Ok, bed time, bye
[21:24] <MadnessRed> ok, sorry
[21:24] <MadnessRed> was looking at the code
[21:24] <MadnessRed> I am making the tour things objects, so they store there own language a catgory
[21:25] <MadnessRed> should make things a bit more effienct, and make creating the treeview easier
[21:25] <Silasle> Yea, but now creating isn't the problem
[21:27] <MadnessRed> I know, but we need to sort out the catagories
[21:28] <Silasle> Yea, that too
[21:28] <MadnessRed> which are kind of a dependancy of the treeview
[21:29] <Silasle> Mmm, thats true
[21:29] <Silasle> Wouldnt it be an idea to have the links in the html window?
[21:30] <Silasle> *links=treeview
[21:30] <MadnessRed> I thought about that
[21:31] <MadnessRed> but then we need to generate html dynamically, each time the page is loaded
[21:31] <MadnessRed> it could be done but i think it would look better with gtk
[21:34] <Silasle> Maybe
[21:34] <Silasle> But i'm really going to bed now
[21:34] <Silasle> bye
[21:42] <MadnessRed> bi
[22:11] <MadnessRed> There is a high chance of bugs in the latest revision, please test and let me know
[22:11] <MadnessRed> thats on the code-development branch
[22:12] <MadnessRed> I know that only 1 tutorial shows at the moment, thats because the others don't have config files yet
[22:13] <MadnessRed>  
[22:13] <MadnessRed> I gtg, I'll checkup when I get back for any bugs, sorry about this
[22:16] <Omega> No problem
[22:30] <aprilg1> Hi everyone. just got home. read through logs. yarrr
[22:30] <aprilg1> someone mentioned an FB page? what about twitter? lulz. i don't like FB tho. i deleted my account
[22:30] <aprilg1> :D
[22:41] <MadnessRed> !digest
[22:42] <gryman> How'd you know I just had lunch?
[22:44] <MadnessRed> I was hoping, that it would update me with the last posts, but it didn't
[22:46] <aprilg> aprilg_away
[22:46] <aprilg_away> arrr really need to sleep na0
[22:46] <MadnessRed> kk
[22:46] <aprilg_away> i'll catch up with you guys later
[23:59] <Muscovy> Oh dear, 40 new messages.