[03:56] <sinman> was wondering if i might can get some help in this channel since I'm not getting any in the #ubuntu channel
[03:56] <holstein> sinman: whatsup?
[03:57] <sinman> I have completely redone my computer several times now and the trash is still showing the same things in it in both ubuntu and ubuntu studio
[03:57] <holstein> 'trash' ??
[03:57] <sinman> and both of these isn't sharing nothing except the swap
[03:57] <holstein> you mean the trash can?
[03:57] <sinman> yes
[03:57] <holstein> AH
[03:57] <holstein> exactly mirrored?
[03:58] <holstein> the trash cans?
[03:58] <sinman> it look like it
[03:58] <holstein> whats the issue?
[03:58] <sinman> yes they both have the same thing
[03:58] <holstein> can you restore from either one?
[03:58] <holstein> that would be kinda cool
[03:59] <holstein> whats you partitioning like?
[03:59] <holstein> did you add a shared volume to /etc/fstab or something?
[03:59] <holstein> maybe some partition is being read by both installations
[03:59] <sinman> about a week ago i was doing some clean up of things i downloaded, and I moved them to the trash. I forgotten about but had to redo everything including the install and ever since I keep getting the same files in the trash can
[03:59] <sinman> no
[04:00] <holstein> sinman: have you cleared the trash
[04:00] <sinman> this is fresh install of both as of today
[04:00] <holstein> yeah?
[04:00] <sinman> i tried but it won't clear them
[04:00] <holstein> sinman: why dual boot?
[04:00] <sinman> i want to use ubuntu for gaming, and learn programmin, and use ubuntu studio for multimedia stuff only
[04:01] <holstein> there the same
[04:01] <holstein> really
[04:01] <holstein> when i used XP
[04:01] <holstein> i had 2 installs
[04:01] <holstein> one that i used daily
[04:01] <holstein> and one for studio work
[04:02] <holstein> a really minimal install
[04:02] <holstein> linux doesnt really need that
[04:02] <holstein> but, do what you want
[04:02] <holstein> sinman: i think you should research forcing the trash to clear
[04:02] <holstein> and then run some tests
[04:02] <sinman> i have a 1TB HDD so I figure doing a dual boot would use the space be a better choice
[04:03] <sinman> but why are they still there when i delete the partition and change the size of / and /home partition
[04:03] <sinman> and this time I'm using LVM
[04:04] <holstein> not sure
[04:04] <holstein> thats interesting
[04:04] <sinman> exactly
[04:04] <holstein> i would still research forcing the trash to empty
[04:04] <holstein> and run some test
[04:05] <holstein> throw some things away
[04:05] <holstein> and monitor the behavior
[04:05] <sinman> the /home is nowhere the size that they use to be before i started to use LVM (which is today)
[04:05] <sinman> i will
[04:06] <sinman> another question the synaptic when u download from it where does it save the files at. I know someplace in the /var folder
[04:07] <holstein> hmmm
[04:07] <holstein> i dont think you can dig a .deb out of there though
[04:07]  * holstein looking
[04:08] <sinman> i found them they are in /var/cache/apt/archive
[04:09] <holstein> var/cache/apt/archives
[04:09] <holstein> AH yeah
[04:09] <holstein> :)
[04:09] <sinman> i see a file that came from the update manager, anyway would it be safe to remove those packages if i ever need to free up space for /
[04:10] <holstein> sinman: i wouldnt mess around in there
[04:10] <sinman> k
[04:10] <holstein> and you got a TB ;)
[04:10] <sinman> couldn't hurt to ask
[04:10] <holstein> you could do sudo apt-get clean ??
[04:10] <holstein> theres a system janitor too
[04:11] <sinman> yep 498GB for ubuntu and 498GB for ubuntustudio
[04:11] <holstein> sinman: check out ubuntutweak too
[04:11] <sinman> k i will
[04:11] <holstein> theres some interesting package management options in there
[04:11] <holstein> if it were my box
[04:11] <holstein> i would do a 200GB ubuntu install
[04:11] <holstein> and partition the rest and call it storage or whatever
[04:14] <holstein> just my opinion
[04:14] <sinman> right now how i got the partition setup is /boot (200MB) the first LVM ubuntu with 2 groups / (65GB) and /home (150) sda3 swap (4GB) then second lvm my ubuntu studio setup like the first LVM
[04:15] <holstein> is it a desktop?
[04:15] <sinman> yes, it's my desktop computer
[04:15] <holstein> i probably wouldnt do LVM then either
[04:15] <sinman> i have the /home encrypted
[04:16] <sinman> today was the first day messing with LVM I just wanted to check it out and learn how to do it
[04:16] <holstein> i dont do anything on my audio box that would decrease performance
[04:16] <holstein> maybe that doesnt
[04:16] <holstein> sinman: i hear you
[04:16] <holstein> learning experience :)
[04:17] <sinman> yes it is
[04:18] <sinman> I use to mess with linux in the past for a very short time and went back to windows. but this time I been using linux for about couple of weeks and don't have the urge to put windows 7 back in
[04:19] <holstein> looks like its this easy
[04:19] <holstein> sudo rm -fr /home/USERNAME/.Trash
[04:20] <holstein> http://everyjoe.com/technology/force-empty-your-trash-from-the-command-line/
[04:20] <sinman> i done that and nothing
[04:20] <holstein> yeah, when you get something stable rockin, you'll be converted
[04:21] <sinman> the thing this time i'm using a completely different username than what i used in the past, so would that matter
[04:21] <holstein> sinman: the files are still in the trash?
[04:21] <sinman> yes
[04:22] <holstein> is this lucid?
[04:22] <holstein> not maverick?
[04:22] <sinman> yes
[04:22] <holstein> hmmmm
[04:23] <holstein> we..
[04:23] <holstein> well*
[04:23] <sinman> i only have ubuntu alternative amd64 10.04.01 lts and ubuntu studio alternatyive amd64 10.04
[04:23] <holstein> you can boot from a live CD
[04:23] <holstein> and nuke 'em
[04:23] <sinman> how would i do that from the live cd
[04:24] <holstein> but im skeptical that this is not a symptom of a larger promlem
[04:24] <holstein> sinman: same way
[04:24] <sinman> k
[04:24] <holstein> just sudo rm the files
[04:24] <holstein> just be careful in there ;)
[04:24] <sinman> always
[04:24] <holstein> if it were me
[04:25] <holstein> id boot the other install
[04:25] <holstein> and try it there
[04:25] <holstein> probably google for a couple more hours
[04:25] <sinman> but i'm afraid even cd to the location i won't see anything like i do now, just in the trash can
[04:25] <holstein> then try the live CD
[04:25] <holstein> sinman: maybe
[04:25] <holstein> thats interesting
[04:25] <sinman> I been thinking of doing a full format of my HDD
[04:26] <holstein> you got fresh installs though
[04:26] <holstein> that might not be a bad idea
[04:26] <holstein> really wipe it
[04:26] <holstein> test it really good while your at it
[04:26] <sinman> need to goto seagate and see if i can download something from there site and put on a cd
[04:27] <sinman> if i can do a slow format with 0's then I know it will fix this problem. lol
[04:27] <holstein> sinman: check out
[04:27] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[04:28] <holstein> all kinds of vendor tools on there
[04:28] <sinman> kewl on the page now
[04:28] <holstein> and parted magic
[04:28] <holstein> photorec
[04:28] <holstein> not that you need that
[04:28] <holstein> but some handy tools
[19:58] <Anvoid> is there a recommend list of setup equipment to use with ubuntustudio audio production? new to field and trying to search for suggest setup that's compatible with ubuntu
[20:18] <jussi> !hcl | Anvoid
[20:18] <jussi> not sure how well maintained that is
[20:19] <jussi> Anvoid: however, most stuff from m-audio is pretty good.
[22:15] <dku> Hi all! I'm looking for a simple program where i could load up drops and quickly access them (prequeued, of course, ready to play) during a live performance. No mixing of fading or anything needed, just a simple drop player, any suggestions?
[22:15] <dku> *mixing or fading
[22:15] <holstein> dku: hey
[22:15] <holstein> can you just que them up in a player?
[22:16] <dku> holstein, do you know of any ones that would play instantly? (i tried out banshee and rhythmbox, but they take a split second to load the file)
[22:17] <holstein> maybe VLC ??
[22:17] <holstein> not sure about the playlist support
[22:17] <holstein> something light though should do it
[22:17] <holstein> lemme look
[22:17] <dku> well, it's not really a playlist, they would be played on demand
[22:17] <dku> i just need quick access to them, and for them to play instantly
[22:18] <holstein> dku: a also looke at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jbuzzer/
[22:18] <holstein> you can map to qwerty keys
[22:18] <dku> ooh that's pretty cool
[22:18] <holstein> and it seemed to play right off
[22:18] <holstein> it was probably jaunty or karmic when i last tried it
[22:19] <dku> i'm gonna try that out right now, thanks!
[22:19] <holstein> but it should still work
[22:19] <holstein> didnt really need much
[22:19] <holstein> dku: :)
[22:34] <prep> How do I uninstall Ubuntu Studio? I upgraded to Maervick, would just like it only, installed on this particular machine.
[22:35] <holstein> hey prep
[22:35] <holstein> just go to synaptic
[22:35] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[22:35] <prep> what up Holstein.
[22:35] <holstein> uninstall whatever is installed
[22:35] <holstein> and make sure you have ubuntu-dekstop installed
[22:35] <holstein> should be that easy
[22:37] <holstein> prep: if you upgraded the packages
[22:37] <holstein> you should be able to just change the theme back to the normal ubuntu one
[22:37] <prep> cool. Done kicking tires on this machine. Ordering the new atom dual core in a few weeks
[22:38] <holstein> prep: nice
[22:38] <prep> I'll wait for the 10/10 release of maverick
[22:38] <holstein> you mean the final?
[22:39] <holstein> 10.10?
[22:39] <prep> yep
[22:39] <prep> release date
[22:39] <holstein> not sure much will change
[22:39] <holstein> i think we're past beta freeze
[22:39] <prep> weird thing is, my ubuntu one music store will not play the samples.
[22:39] <holstein> do you have codecs installed?
[22:40] <holstein> are they mp3's?
[22:40] <prep> yes, everything else is fine, bu the stoe
[22:40] <prep> store
[22:40] <holstein> who knows
[22:40] <holstein> i think that is still a work in progress
[22:40] <prep> kind of a bummer, was working, as was Jack
[22:41] <holstein> when?
[22:41] <holstein> in lucid?
[22:41] <prep> yep
[22:41] <holstein> yeah, i ran lucid early alpha
[22:42] <prep> Bad thing about the HP, is no firewire or express slot
[22:42] <holstein> it can be a lot of work
[22:42] <holstein> reporting all the errors
[22:42] <holstein> and trying all the fixes
[22:42] <holstein> prep: :/
[22:42] <holstein> yeah, that sucks
[22:43] <prep> maybe I can wait see if someone releases a netbook that will. I asked System 76, no plans for new machines
[22:43] <holstein> nah
[22:44] <holstein> they wont
[22:44] <holstein> i have an early mininote
[22:44] <holstein> HP
[22:44] <holstein> with an express card slot
[22:44] <holstein> but thats over now
[22:44] <prep> wish someone would start a company geared towards multimedia work
[22:46] <holstein> indamix
[22:47] <holstein> http://www.indamixx.com/
[22:47] <prep> yeah, it's kinda cool. what version of tux are they running
[22:47] <holstein> transmission is pretty much 64studio
[22:47] <prep> oh, well I favore Ubuntu
[22:47] <holstein> probably is ubuntu
[22:47] <holstein> probably hardy
[22:48] <holstein> like the last stable 64studio
[22:48] <prep> but non of the cool new stuff
[22:48] <holstein> yeah, but stable
[22:48] <holstein> and you can pay for it :)
[22:48] <holstein> some folks feel more comfortable paying for things
[22:49] <holstein> really not a bad price
[22:49] <holstein> i think its 90 bucks
[22:49] <holstein> try buying OSX or win + protools for that ;)
[22:51] <prep> HA, I just left Apple. Worked there for 3 months. I have been a Mac user since 98, but after working there, too much corporate kool-aid being poured
[22:54] <prep> So there's not any USB interfaces that work well with linux?
[22:55] <holstein> sure
[22:55] <holstein> i dont like them
[22:55] <prep> like?
[22:55] <holstein> but the zoom H4 is quite nice
[22:55] <holstein> i would have a zoom H4
[22:55] <holstein> other than that, i dont like to do audio over USB
[22:57] <prep> That's pretty cool. I didn't know it was also an interface. Works out of the box?
[22:57] <holstein> prep: if its not out of the box
[22:57] <holstein> its easy
[22:57] <holstein> and i know it works well
[22:57] <holstein> pipeman has one
[22:57] <prep> well.......
[22:57] <holstein> over in #opensourcemusicians
[22:57] <prep> does it have balanced outputs?
[22:57] <holstein> and the preamps are pretty sweet
[22:58] <holstein> prep: its got xlr ins
[22:58] <holstein> with phantom powere
[22:58] <prep> Ok, so how do you run out to your mons?
[22:58] <holstein> never really asked about the way ou
[22:58] <holstein> t
[22:59] <holstein> as long as i can get from source to hard drive balanced
[22:59] <holstein> im OK
[22:59] <prep> hmmm
[23:00] <prep> it has 1/4 out, ;-/
[23:00] <prep> dang
[23:00] <holstein> balanced ins
[23:00] <prep> yes
[23:01] <holstein> you'll never need to transfer fromit
[23:01] <holstein> from it*
[23:01] <holstein> you can do USB tranfer
[23:01] <holstein> transfer*
[23:01] <prep> I have to monitor out
[23:01] <holstein> sure
[23:01] <holstein> just plug it in
[23:01] <holstein> prep: you use headhones?
[23:01] <holstein> those are unbalanced
[23:02] <prep> yes when tracking, but when I mix I used powered monitors, which I prefer balanced
[23:02] <holstein> well, sure
[23:02] <holstein> but the signal going to tape is balanced
[23:02] <holstein> so i wouldnt lose any sleep over it
[23:02] <prep> true
[23:03] <prep> http://www.pssl.com/!ztmEYNLMBJ0QrFRsnJis6A!/Zoom-H4N-Stereo-Portable-Field-Recorder-s
[23:04] <holstein> yup
[23:04] <holstein> i would look around though
[23:04] <holstein> i think we can get them under 200 US
[23:04] <prep> I'll look. That would be perfect with my new machine, Ardour Maverick
[23:05] <holstein> its quite nice
[23:05] <holstein> if you only need 2 channels at a time
[23:06] <holstein> and the preamps will push whatever
[23:06] <holstein> so you dont need any other gear if you get a fancy mic
[23:06] <prep> very true
[23:06] <prep> thanks for the info
[23:07] <holstein> AND
[23:07] <holstein> its stand alone too
[23:07] <holstein> so you can carry that and your fancy mic
[23:07] <holstein> and do whatever anywhere
[23:07] <prep> I'm liking that a lot
[23:07] <holstein> and bring the .wav's back to ardour
[23:07] <holstein> i would totally have one
[23:08] <holstein> if my firepod wasnt portable
[23:08] <holstein> if i just have a couple extra hundred bucks laying about
[23:08] <prep> well looks like I found the perfect solution
[23:08] <holstein> thats top of my list
[23:09] <prep> Now if Ardour would release 3 with MIDI. I'd be in heaven
[23:09] <holstein> soon i bet
[23:09] <holstein> i think there are beta's out for testing
[23:10] <prep> really?
[23:10] <prep> This will be a great fall
[23:10] <prep> Ok, I have to get ready, Tennessee State Fair, get my fat on
[23:10] <prep> thanks a heap
[23:10] <prep> be easy
[23:11] <holstein> prep: laterx
[23:22] <dku> holstein: interestingly enough, my final solution was to use mc and mpg321
[23:23] <holstein> dku: hey
[23:23] <holstein> whatever works :)
[23:23] <dku> yep, gotta love the ol' midnight commander ;)
[23:23] <dku> and mpg321 loads really fast