[14:54] Hi, is there anyone who can help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/637172 [15:19] Hi. I'm wondering why a script with "start on started ssh" can launch processes with a lower pid than "sshd" [15:21] bvleur: because pids are fairly random [15:21] and the sshd might well fork [15:23] okay. fair enough. I've created a script that runs autossh with remote forward to localhost:22. It seems that running it before sshd is up makes the forward fail, so I want to make sure they start in order. PIDs don't tell me the boot order then right? [19:31] is it possible to use upstart (init, start, etc) as non-root? [19:32] would like to daemonize & manage processes without requiring root; supervisord seems to fit the bill but i was wondering if i should also take a deeper look at upstart [19:36] yaaang: why not use sudo to manage who can start/stop/etc. system daemons without needing to give them general root access? [19:37] JanC: that can also restrict to starting/stopping specific services? [19:38] yaaang: yes, see the sudoers manpage for examples [19:39] you can restrict people to specific commands including parameters etc. [19:40] plus, with sudo every time they use this, it will be logged [19:46] A future release of Upstart will handle users’ jobs as well. [19:46] JanC: how does a non-root user add/remove jobs? [19:47] ion: ah, i see [19:49] you could create a script to add a new job and allow users to use that script with sudo, but of course that has serious security implications [19:49] JanC: right [19:50] I suppose it wouldn't too difficult to create a system-wide upstart job that looks for user-specific job files though [19:51] maybe even easier than that is the supervisord route - just let users run their own process management daemons [19:53] I don't know supervisord, but probably it could be that upstart-job ;) [19:54] at least until upstart grows these features itself