[00:08] <BUGabundo> nite, my friends
[00:10] <FunkyELF> sebsebseb, I've never used Ubuntu (Gentoo user) but I just built a new system and want to give it a go.... think I should use the beta now or just wait till 10.10?
[00:10] <sebsebseb> FunkyELF: right yeah
[00:10] <sebsebseb> FunkyELF: so you might find Ubuntu a bit to newbie, being used to Gentoo
[00:10] <sebsebseb> FunkyELF: and you might not be so keen on certain features it has, but sure give the beta a go
[00:11] <sebsebseb> FunkyELF: I mean after using Gentoo,  your more than expereinced to do a development version of Ubuntu, especially when its beta
[00:12] <FunkyELF> sebsebseb, I use Gentoo on a lot of things (xbox, ps3, sheevaplug, etc)  but I don't really know it all that well.
[00:13] <FunkyELF> This machine is for photo stuff.  I don't want to be constantly updating / breaking things.  I need it to be stable.  Thats why I'm looking for something more mainstream like OpenSUSE or Ubuntu (fedora turns me off and I don't know why)
[00:14] <Saguaro> Is GIMP not gonna be installed by default on 10.10?
[00:15] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: indeed
[00:15] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: and it already isn't  in 10.04 by default
[00:15] <Saguaro> I'm pretty sure my 10.04 had GIMP
[00:15] <yofel> FunkyELF: well, the LTS version (lucid in this case) is supposed to be the most stable and has the longest support cycle, but as a gentoo user you might rather want a bit more up-to-date system, so go with maverick (unless you're using KDE on intel graphics, mav has some problems there)
[00:15] <Saguaro> maybe 10.04.1 doesn't
[00:15] <Saguaro> what's replacing GIMP?
[00:16] <yofel> 10.04 shouldn't have gimp by default, and it was replaced with fspot I think, not sure
[00:16] <sebsebseb> and f-spot is being replaced in 10.10 by shotwell
[00:16] <yofel> ah
[00:16] <Saguaro> isn't f-spot only for like photos?
[00:16] <Saguaro> or is it a full image editor?
[00:17] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: you can install gimp and inkscape and such into 10.10 yourself
[00:17] <Saguaro> oh I know, and I did
[00:17] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: Gimp takes up space on the ISO
[00:17] <yofel> well, the common user usually uses gimp for photos
[00:17] <Saguaro> ah
[00:17] <yofel> and the default install targets most usesr
[00:17] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: and is a bit to complex for the average user
[00:17] <FunkyELF> yofel, what is not updated in LTS?  packages, kernel?
[00:17] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: Ubuntu since 9.04 is mainly about targeting newbies
[00:17] <FunkyELF> yofel, is it just security patches no updates?... is that what LTS is?
[00:18] <yofel> and the iso space right
[00:18] <yofel> meh, quassel is being laggy again o.O
[00:18] <kklimonda> FunkyELF: only security vulnerabilities and the worst bugs are fixed in LTS after release.
[00:19] <yofel> there is -backports to get newer app versions backported to an older release on request though
[00:20] <yofel> sebsebseb: 9.04? :P
[00:20] <yofel> thanks for reminding me that I need to install mav on my old jaunty usb recovery stick
[00:23] <sebsebseb> yofel: shame that another great release, except for a feature that really got at me,  is about to die
[00:23] <yofel> heh, jaunty was actually the last ubuntu release that I liked, so I'm a bit sad for wiping it too, now I'm on kubuntu
[00:26] <sebsebseb> yofel: oh right
[00:26] <sebsebseb> yofel: well for me the last Ubuntu release that I porperly liked was 8.10
[00:27] <sebsebseb> yofel: and ok 9.04 as well, once I changed the log in screen theme, and removed shut down on the right,  to get back in system menu :)
[00:27] <haytham-med> guys can someone explain to me why releases die?
[00:27] <yofel> heh
[00:27] <haytham-med> i use 8.10
[00:27] <sebsebseb> yofel: and with the optional Ext4 support, that wasn't properly stable,  that really did speed up boot up and shut down :)
[00:28] <sebsebseb> yofel: for 9.04
[00:28] <yofel> haytham-med: we have limited resources and handling security updates for more than a few releases isn't possible
[00:28] <yofel> sebsebseb: oh right, I remember the ext4 mess from the devel days, that was fun :D
[00:28] <yofel> !eol
[00:28] <sebsebseb> yofel: in  fact I was going to keep the other computer on 8.10, but then the ethernet woudn't work with it,  but 9.04 was already out by the time I updated :)  I thought the update had gone wrong, but no woudn't work on the Live CD either
[00:28] <haytham-med> i dnt mean security updates, i am concerned with packages
[00:29] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: when a release dies thats it
[00:29] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: no more updates at all
[00:29] <psusi> well, dead releases also are removed from the archive aren't they?  so no installing packages that aren't on the cd
[00:29] <haytham-med> for ex as regards vlc
[00:29] <sebsebseb> yofel: yeah then things went a bit uh with 9.10, and really uh with 10.04,  and things have improved a little bit in 10.10 it seems :)
[00:30] <yofel> haytham-med: the package archive is still availabe on old-releases.ubuntu.com if you want to install something, but you won't get any updates anymore
[00:30] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: you should upgrade to at least 9.04
[00:30] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: however that will also run out of support at the end of next month
[00:30] <yofel> psusi: ^
[00:31] <haytham-med> so what if i installed 9.04 package in an 8.10 distro ? :)
[00:31] <yofel> the package archive is always moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com - actually you can even get the warty install cd from there ^^
[00:31] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: psusi as for why releases don't last that long, except for the Long Term Support releases, I guess its since most of these programs are developed rather fast
[00:31] <sebsebseb> new versions coming out every six months for Gnome and KDE
[00:31] <sebsebseb> and Firefox doing quite a lot of new versions each year even, and what not
[00:31] <yofel> haytham-med: no guarantee that it will work, and the dependencies might require you to upgrade more packages
[00:32] <haytham-med> upgradet chromium using that way :)
[00:32] <haytham-med> upgraded*
[00:33] <yofel> but in general, if you don't like updating, use a LTS release, you can go back to 8.04 too if you want, that's still supported for a while
[00:33] <yofel> heck, even 6.06 is still supported on servers
[00:33] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: yofel  can only go back by clean installing,  well unless the system gets broken trying or something
[00:33] <sebsebseb> !downgrade
[00:33] <yofel> right
[00:34] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: 8.10 was great overall, and yes it is sad that its no longer supported since April 30th 2010
[00:34] <haytham-med> yep
[00:35] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: I guess get yourself upgraded to 10.10, but maybe not just yet, because the final isn't out just yet
[00:35] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: or  you could run 9.10 untill April  next year
[00:36] <haytham-med> the idea is that u install a lot of apps in the current release,  a new install in my opinion wil be time consuming
[00:36] <sebsebseb> haytham-med: 9.10 would be more familar to you from being a 8.10 user,  and I didn't like it when it was the latest much, but now  really I would prefer it to 10.04 and 10.10.
[00:39] <Saguaro> when does 10.10 go official?
[00:41] <yofel> !schedule
[00:41] <sebsebseb> Saguaro: Sunday October 10th next month instead of Thursday 28th
[00:41] <Saguaro> thanks
[00:41] <yofel> on 10.10.10 actually :P
[00:41] <Saguaro> that's awesome
[00:48] <tca> does unity require 3d/compositing?
[00:48] <sebsebseb> tca: uhmm if you got Nivida  need propritary driver installed
[00:49] <tca> i have ati
[00:49] <tca> but the oss driver only supports 2d
[00:49] <sebsebseb> tca: then you might need a driver for your card, but probably not
[00:49] <tca> hd 3200
[00:49] <sebsebseb> tca: need something that can do 3D as far as I know
[00:49] <sebsebseb> tca: for Unity
[00:51] <tca> have to wait for new ati drivers then :<
[00:53] <sebsebseb> tca: Have you tired without propritary driver?
[00:53] <tca> yes
[00:54] <tca> just tons of artifacts and nothing usable
[00:54] <sebsebseb> tca: artifacts?
[00:54] <tca> ya
[00:54] <sebsebseb> tca: what do you mean artifacts?
[00:55] <tca> ill screenshot it for you
[00:55] <sebsebseb> tca: apparently Unity isn't even that stable at the moment, from something I read earlier
[00:55] <tca> oh
[01:08] <haytham-med> thanks guys for help
[01:24] <smallfoot-> why my ubuntu freezes randomly sometimes for 5 seconds?
[01:24] <smallfoot-> annoying as hell when i play games
[01:25] <smallfoot-> cuz then i die
[01:26] <nemo> smallfoot-: well. is there anything in dmesg, the sys log, the X console log or the X log?
[01:26] <nemo> smallfoot-: and if it is happening in games, maybe you should try disabling compiz (just in case)
[01:26] <nemo> and maybe add a CPU monitoring applet to your taskbar if you haven't done it already, to see if there are any spikes
[01:30] <smallfoot-> nemo, in 10.04 it nevre happend, even with compiz on
[01:31] <smallfoot-> audio, mouse, keyboard, video, everything goes unresponsive
[01:32] <yofel> hm, I get short UI freezes too, like: 2sec completely frozen, then the mouse work again, and after additional 3sec the desktop responds again
[01:32] <yofel> can't find anything in the logs though :/
[01:32] <kklimonda> yofel: see your X cpu usage :/
[01:32] <nemo> smallfoot-: m'k aaaand anything in dmesg etc etc?
[01:32] <kklimonda> just about everything I do makes X use 100% of cpu
[01:33] <yofel> kklimonda: if I had that *charted* somewhere I could, but as the UI is frozen I can't check the cpu usage in that time
[01:33] <yofel> and before and after the cpu usage of xorg is fine
[01:33] <smallfoot-> gonna check
[01:34]  * yofel only gets 100% cpu from Xorg when scrolling launchpad paged in firefox...
[01:34] <yofel> *pages
[01:35] <smallfoot-> nope, i think i find nothing in logs
[02:00] <kindofabuzz> About Ubuntu is missing some fonts? known bug?
[02:01] <smallfoot-> why does me System->About Ubuntu, has messed up fonts in menu?
[02:02] <kindofabuzz> that's what i just asked. guess it's a bug
[02:31] <ubuntufan> In my soundmenu, there is no Rhythmbox icon. How do I fix this?
[02:43] <philsf> I upgraded my netbook to maverick beta, and several applications crash imediately in the new interface. Has anyone else been experiencing this?
[02:44] <ubuntufan> philsf: Can't say I have.
[02:45] <philsf> xchat for example: the network list window opens, but when I select a network, the main window crashes. other applications crash intermitently
[02:46] <ubuntufan> philsf: Sorry, I don't use xchat so I cannot confirm.
[02:46] <ubuntufan> philsf: Try running it from a terminal window and looking at the output?
[02:46] <philsf> I tried, no output or core dump
[02:47] <philsf> firefox also crashes everytime
[02:47] <ubuntufan> philsf: Firefox is as stable on Maverick as on Lucid for me.
[02:48] <philsf> everything worked perfectly on lucid for me
[02:48] <philsf> I'm using the netbook-launcher now, on maverick, and everything seems to be working, except firefox
[02:48] <philsf> how can I debug this?
[02:49] <philsf> it crashes and a window appears offering to send info to mozilla
[02:50] <philsf> running FF from the terminal I only get the following output: "Attempting to load the system libmoon"
[03:07] <philsf> ubuntufan, do you have the moonlight extension for mozilla installed?
[03:08] <ubuntufan> philsf: I don't think so.
[03:08] <philsf> ubuntufan, would you install it and try running firefox again?
[03:09] <philsf> I think this is what was crashing
[03:09] <ubuntufan> philsf: No.
[03:09] <philsf> it may be worth checking for the release notes
[03:11] <yofel> philsf: you could ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam if they know more
[03:12] <philsf> Isn't the point of this channel to report problems in the beta?
[03:13] <philsf> I'm not exactly trying to scratch my itch, I'm having problems other people might also have
[03:15] <brummbaer> so... anybody gotten rhythmbox-plugin-ampache working w/ maverick? it's no-go for me so far
[03:16] <brummbaer> also noticed it's now missing from the repos :(
[03:23] <philsf> how can I turn off bluetooth now in maverick? the indicator appmenu used to have a "turn off" option, but now it's missing
[03:28] <philsf> is anyone here that's also using the netbook version of maverick?
[03:31] <jimlovell777> After updates yesterday I have no sound. Anyone having this problem?
[04:54] <Spirits-Sight> I having trouble with nviai drivers (video) I installed latest and I can not get system to start with full res
[05:17] <Saguaro> are there gonna be any upgrades to 64-bit flash in 10.10?
[05:41] <Lars_G> What's the upstart-era cli tools used to manage stuff run during inits?
[06:32] <valuedcustomer> /etc/rc.local is not being called.  i'm running 64-bit.  i added a 'touch /tmp/testrclocal' to rc.local, but got nothing.
[06:42] <Jordan_U> valuedcustomer: Is it executable?
[06:57] <jimlovell777> I don't have sound anymore. Is this a known problem? It worked until I updated two days ago.
[06:59] <bullgard4> jimlovell777: Not for me.
[07:00] <jimlovell777> Anything I can check? I've gone through all of my sound configurations, nothing is muted, I've tried analog speakers, analog out, duplex etc.. no change.
[07:00] <bullgard4> jimlovell777: May be your sound is muted. Have a look at loudspeaker symbol in the upper right > click at it and see if the slider is to the right and not muted.
[07:02] <jimlovell777> bullgard4: Nope, first thing I checked. I checked the app volume (no sound with firefox, totem, and on down the line) then system volume then all of the sound settings. Of which I changed none before the sound stopped working.
[07:14] <jimlovell777> I've even worked down this list https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and no change. I don't get it, it worked, I updated and now it doesn't work. Sound still works under Windows.
[07:16] <glebihan> hi there, is there any link where I could find the major differences between 10.04 and 10.10 ?
[07:27] <bullgard4> glebihan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs
[07:37] <glebihan> thanks bullgard4
[08:23] <mikedep333> hey guys, I've noticed a serious issue whereby the CPU frequency isn't scaling up (it runs at less than max) when under full cpu core usage. What package should I report this on?
[08:39] <herman> Hi, just upgraded to maverick and have hit a very strange bug. I could do with some help diagnosing it.
[08:40] <herman> In essence my laptop now only does things for about a second after pressing a key, then it hangs unless I press a key again. So I have to hold down a key like Alt all the way through the boot process to even make it boot
[08:40] <Jordan_U> herman: Does this continue after X starts?
[08:41] <herman> yes. For example the wifi is trying to join the network (It can't because the password is wrong) but I can see it bouncing up and down, but about a second after I release a key it freezes
[08:42] <herman> until I press a key again and then it starting bouncing up and down for another second
[08:42] <herman> The same thing in a VT. The cursor stops flashing
[08:45] <Jordan_U> herman: I wonder if a synthetic event would be enough.
[08:45] <herman> Moving the mouse in X works too btw. How would I generate a synthetic event?
[08:49] <herman> Jordan_U: There is nothing interesting spat out by dmesg, I was expecting some soft lockup or similar but there is no indication anything is wrong.
[08:55] <Jordan_U> herman: I'm guessing it has something to do with hardware interrupts, though I'm not quite sure what. In which case sending synthetic key presses would do nothing.
[08:56] <herman> Jordan_U: got any advice on where to take this? Should I just log a bug report?
[08:57] <Jordan_U> herman: Yes, file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug linux".
[08:57] <Jordan_U> herman: You can try sending synthetic events with "xte"
[08:58] <Jordan_U> herman: For instance: xte 'mousemove 1 1'
[08:59] <herman> Jordan_U: Ah X events, since it locks up on a VT too I doubt that will do anything but I can try it again. I'll log a bug report. Thanks
[08:59] <Jordan_U> herman: Does holding shift down keep things alive as well?
[09:01] <herman> Ctrl, Alt and Shift all work, in fact any key seems to work. I tried letters and the 'windows' key.
[09:02] <Jordan_U> herman: How much unfrozen time does each keypress get you?
[09:03] <herman> Jordan_U: It actually varies a bit, I would say between 1 and 5 seconds. Generally closer to one, occasionally longer
[09:04] <Jordan_U> herman: That is really odd.
[09:04] <herman> Jordan_U: That's why I'm here :-)
[09:04] <Jordan_U> herman: Does pressing the power button on the box unfreeze it?
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> what freezes?
[09:06] <Jordan_U> herman: And have you tried pinging the computer from another machine to confirm that *everything* stops when you stop pressing keys?
[09:06] <tukadafoonday> Hi, I have installed linux on my machine / is on the first hard drive along with /swap. on the second harddrive i have put /home which is assume is not the only thing being used for home directory storage - i now however want to use the second harddrive for windows.... is there any way i can make my /home on HDD1? do i just resize the partitions and then make a new /home on HDD1 followed by copying all the files on the home d
[09:06] <tukadafoonday> ir
[09:06] <Jordan_U> !separatehome | tukadafoonday
[09:06] <ikonia> tukadafoonday: /home is the ONLY thing being used for home directory storage
[09:08] <herman> Jordan_U: Yes the power button has the same effect. I can't try pinging at the moment since I don't have a network to plug it into. Uplugging my bluetooth dongle has the same effect as key presses.
[09:08] <Jordan_U> lotuspsychje: His computer appears to not progress in any noticable way unless he presses a key on the keyboard or moves the mouse. He needs to hold a key down just to get it to boot at all.
[09:09] <tukadafoonday> I understand that.. If i shrink the partition on /dev/sda1 and make a /home partition there am i able to copy across the files from /dev/sdb1?
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> thats odd..on maverick?
[09:09] <ikonia> sure
[09:09] <ikonia> tukadafoonday: it's just a file syste,
[09:09] <ikonia> system
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> yesterday we had a problem here too with someone having leftmouse freeze after pressing numlock
[09:10] <Jordan_U> herman: Can you reproduce this with a maverick LiveCD? Does an old LiveCD (Ubuntu or any other distro) work normally still?
[09:11] <herman> Jordan_U: If I boot off the previous Lucid kernel which is still available in Grub I don't see the issue. Does that answer the second part well enough? I'll have to make a mavrick live USB to try the first part.
[09:12] <Jordan_U> herman: Yes, that answers it well enough, and confirms that "ubuntu-bug linux" is proabaly the best way to file the bug report.
[09:14] <Jordan_U> herman: In a terminal run "while sleep 1; do date > /tmp/date.log; done" then let the computer freeze and look at the times recorded in /tmp/date.log
[09:14] <Jordan_U> herman: Make that "while sleep 1; do date >> /tmp/date.log; done"
[09:15] <herman> Jordan_U: I just got hold of the local wifi key. If I ping the gateway at a 0.5 second interval it never freezes :-)
[09:15] <Jordan_U> herman: That's actually what I expected, since it sends a hardware interrupt.
[09:17] <Jordan_U> herman: This is far out of my league but I wonder if it's actually an interrupt handler that's freezing.
[09:18] <herman> Jordan_U: I disconnected the wifi and did your test. It seems to be keeping time between freezes. Ie I see 16, 35,45,50 seconds in the log and during that time I was intemittently hitting a key to wake it up.
[09:18] <Jordan_U> herman: For instance it could be that you have a piece of hardware that is sending an intterrupt every few seconds that triggers an interrupt handler that goes into an infinite loop, but this loop will be terminated by another interrupt coming in.
[09:19] <tukadafoonday> ikonia, i understand it is a file system, though i do not know whether i can have two /home or not. The other thing that i am unsure of it how large i should make the / mount.
[09:19] <tukadafoonday> How is everyone here finding 10.10 anyways?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> im 100% happytukadafoonday
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> never worked faster on 64bit
[09:20] <Jordan_U> herman: Ok, so it's not a complete freeze.
[09:20] <tukadafoonday> The other question i should ask, Can i resize the / partition while i am in linux? Or do i need to boot from a live cd?
[09:21] <Jordan_U> tukadafoonday: You need to do it from a LiveCD.
[09:24] <herman> Jordan_U: I guess that depends on how the clock source works, which isn't something I know much about.
[09:26] <Jordan_U> herman: When you boot, does the "freeze" seem to actually stop the progress of booting or could it be that the screen simply isn't updating? For example, if it normally takes 1 minute to boot and you don't press any key for the first 45 seconds then hold shift, does it take 15 seconds or 1 minute to finish booting?
[09:28] <herman> Jordan_U: I can see there is only disk activity when I press a key during boot so I'm pretty convinced it's freezing
[09:29] <Jordan_U> herman: Ok, then I have another test to try.
[09:30] <Jordan_U> herman: Switch to a tty and log in, then run "while sleep 1; do date | tee -a /tmp/date.log"
[09:31] <Jordan_U> herman: I want to see if the terminal is freezing in a way that causes programs to block when writing to stdout.
[09:33] <herman> Jordan_U: same behaviour as before. The log file matches the output on stdout too.
[09:34] <Jordan_U> herman: To confirm, the output shows that there is no gap in time during the freeze?
[09:34] <Jordan_U> And there was a freeze?
[09:36] <herman> Jordan_U: http://friendpaste.com/65i7f8bP10tJLk5LSYLH5J
[09:37] <herman> Jordan_U: I pressed a key at 09:27:56 and control-c at 9:28:03
[09:37] <Jordan_U> herman: Ok, I misunderstood what you said before.
[09:44] <Jordan_U> herman: What happens if you play audio? Does it start looping when the freeze occurs, does it stop when the freeze occurs, or does playing audo actually prevent the freezing?
[09:49] <Jordan_U> herman: And when you do file a bug report could you give me a link so I can follow it?
[09:53] <bullgard4> How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface?
[09:54] <bullgard4> Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)?
[09:55] <i_is_broke> ok what am i missing i cant get the minimize, reduce and expand buttons to go to the right side. why?
[09:57] <herman> Jordan_U: For some reason rhythmbox doesn't want to load my music library, anyway tried with ogg123. It plays for a few seconds and then gets stuck in a about a 2 sec constant loop.
[10:03] <Jordan_U> herman: Can you reproduce this problem with a mainline kernel?
[10:03] <Jordan_U> herman: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[10:57] <herman> Jordan_U: Launchpad won't let me log the bug. Grrrr. I'll see if I can try a mainline kernel at some point but right now I'd better go do some real work
[10:57] <herman> Jordan_U: Thanks for the help.
[10:59] <Jordan_U> herman: You're welcome.
[11:25] <bullgard4> How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> my todays maverick desktop
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9673/screenshot3dz.png
[12:22] <tball> Anybody experienced nautilus segementation faults lately on maverick?
[12:22] <tball> Making the background not rendered etc.
[12:22] <bazhang> tball, nautilus wont even launch for me
[12:22] <bazhang> and this is with 4GB ram
[12:23] <bazhang> so very serious bug indeed
[12:23] <tball> bazhang, well glad I'm not the only one
[12:24] <tball> Actually I can make my nautilus launch if I run it manually. But when gnome starts, it opens maybe 30 copies of nautilus.
[12:24] <bazhang> tball, I'd imagine they fix this one posthaste; the only workaround I've found is to insert a usb stick, and click on it, navigating through it
[12:25] <bazhang> yep
[12:25] <bazhang> probably all those commands built up
[12:25] <tball> yeah probably
[12:25] <bazhang> nightmarish nonetheless
[12:26] <tball> Well I was playing around with compiz and rgba windows before this happended, and have used alot time debugging it :P
[12:26] <tball> But it wasn't even my fault at all :)
[12:26] <bazhang> odd. I have compiz completely set to none.
[12:27] <tball> bazhang, if I deactivate compiz my background appears again.
[12:27] <bazhang> tball, ah okay, then a second bug
[12:28] <tball> bazhang, you think? Well I though the nautilus bug was the reason for some kind of hang in gnome's start procedure, making my background disappear.
[12:28] <tball> Normally my background works fine with compiz
[12:29] <bazhang> tball, well it is still beta, so I'd imagine so. considering the disparity in our setups, it seems that would indicate at least two
[12:30] <tball> you might be right
[12:30] <bazhang> I'd better check launchpad than guess, though :)
[12:33] <tball> bazhang, hmm this is quite weird. My nautilus and firefox etc is running quite fine
[12:33] <bazhang> tball, suddenly working?
[12:33] <tball> but if I open gnome preferences manager, it all crashes in segmentation faults
[12:34] <bazhang> weird
[12:34] <tball> bazhang, are you able to run gnome-settings-daemon without problems?
[12:36] <tball> and now I get this error: Maximum number of clients reachedMaximum number of clients reachedError: cannot open display: :0.0
[12:36] <tball> when trying opening a new firefox
[12:43] <robin0800> gdm broken with todays updates? shifting everthing to the right
[12:43] <tball> robin0800, not for me
[12:49] <tball> Anywhere I can see the updates pulled for Maverick today?
[12:51] <geser> tball: software-center and then look at the history
[12:52] <tball> geser, thx
[12:52] <tball> I can see I have updated nautilus to 2.31.90-0ubuntu4~ppa1~maverick today
[12:52] <tball> Causing all kinds of troubles :)
[12:54] <tball> dmesg spamming messages, like: [ 1841.582854] nautilus[4515]: segfault at 4 ip b715cb36 sp bff8bb60 error 4 in libcairo.so.2.11000.0[b7143000+ae000]
[13:02] <bullgard4> How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)?
[13:08] <tball> Anybody seen this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/637994
[13:34] <falz> yo, trying ubuntu as a desktop (long time debian user). wanting to run thunderbird2 which isn't in the repo. official mozilla binary of tbird2 wants libstdc++.so.5, ubuntu has libstdc++.so.6. I don't see a compat type of package in the repos
[13:34] <falz> other than dirty hacks, any fix?
[13:34] <falz> I also added an 'ubuntuzilla' repo but it doesn't seem to list tbird2 either
[13:35] <vega_> thunderbird2 ?
[13:35] <falz> yes, instead of 3.
[13:36] <vega_> ok, just checking..
[13:36] <falz> (3 is a steaming pile of slow crap in my opinion)
[13:37] <vega_> hm, haven't noticed much difference..
[13:37] <Trewas> falz: there is separate libstdc++5 package
[13:43] <vega_> seems to not be in normal repos
[13:46] <jpds> vega_: Because it's old.
[13:46] <jpds> falz: Why do you want to run tb2?
[13:47] <Spirits-Sight> I need help, my video need to get nidva working right
[13:48] <Spirits-Sight> right now res is wrong and can not get NIDVA working when instaled
[13:52] <bullgard4> How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)?
[13:53] <vega_> jpds: exactly..
[13:53] <jpds> falz: If you find TB3, try turning the global indexing off.
[14:01] <bullgard4> I wonder if Ubuntu 10.10 Beta installs by default the »Tracker« application?
[14:02] <dli> bullgard4, you can remove it manually if installed
[14:04] <bullgard4> dli: You did not answer my question.
[14:05] <bazhang> !info tracker
[14:07] <bullgard4> bazhang: The ubottu wording "is optional" means that Ubuntu 10.10 Beta does not install it by default?
[14:08] <bazhang> bullgard4, checking my system now
[14:08] <tball> bazhang, did you experience the same as me descripted in this bug report? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/637994
[14:08] <bazhang> cant find it
[14:09] <bazhang> tball, something different
[14:09] <tball> ahh ok
[14:10] <bazhang> bullgard4, I cant find it here
[14:10] <bullgard4> bazhang: So may I take it that Ubuntu 10.10 Beta does not install it by default?
[14:11] <bazhang> bullgard4, well, I cannot find it, only default here. I may be wrong, but that seems to be the case
[14:12] <bullgard4> bazhang: Thank you very much for your information.
[14:12] <bazhang> welcome
[14:12] <tball> Can I somehow "revert" all packages installed to the default ubuntu ones.
[14:12] <tball> ?
[14:13] <bazhang> tball, on the beta?
[14:13] <tball> bazhang, yes sir
[14:13] <bazhang> its not finished, so no idea what that would help tball
[14:13] <bazhang> tball, best to ride it out, as it will a priority fix
[14:13] <bazhang> err will be
[14:14] <tball> bazhang, well I have a feeling im responsible of the bug I told you about before
[14:14] <bazhang> tball, hah unlikely in the extreme.
[14:14] <bazhang> they'll fix it pronto
[14:14] <bazhang> nautilus segfaulting or just not working at all is a MAJOR bug
[14:15] <tball> If my bug differentiates with your bug , my bug might not be Ubuntu's fault after all
[14:15] <bazhang> ie critical
[14:15] <bazhang> tball, or more than one bug
[14:15] <tball> Well maybe
[14:15] <bazhang> for sure
[14:15] <bazhang> still a long way from final release
[14:15] <tball> I guess there is ALOT of different codepaths for such an core application
[14:16] <bazhang> Oct. 23 iirc
[14:16] <tball> yes, I am aware of the risk running a beta :P
[14:16] <bazhang> oh not that. just we will see a ton of stuff between now and then
[14:17] <tball> bazhang, do you know if mesa 7.9 will make it to the final release?
[14:17] <bazhang> at least libc seems not to have broken so far, unlike a previous release
[14:17] <bazhang> tball, not sure sorry
[14:18] <tball> I really hope so. There is a world to a difference between mesa 7.8 and 7.9
[14:20] <yofel> tball: the x team is talking about 7.9 in #ubuntu-x, so I hope it will make it (they still have 2 days left to upload it..)
[14:21] <yofel> esp. since it seems to fix the KDE 4.5 compositing mess with intel :S
[14:21] <tball> yofel, cool., I might join that channel
[14:22] <tball> yofel, and enables OpenGL 2.1 for r600-r700
[14:29] <Ian_corne> If my computer hangs when shutting down, where should I look?
[14:29] <Ian_corne> /var/log/syslog is empty
[15:11] <coz_> hey guys... I dont see degub symbols for compiz in the repositories
[15:18] <coz_> whoa  I dont see any debug  packages o0
[15:26] <Tetsuo55> hello
[15:26] <Tetsuo55> how can i make ubuntu not change my system clock to gmt?
[15:26] <Tetsuo55> its causing problems on my other os's
[15:52] <Votan> hi, so 10.10 uses a TRIM-ready kernel, does that mean trim is working out of the Box on Trim-enabled SSDs or do I have to add something tot he fstab ?
[15:56] <htorque> votan, you'll need to add the discard mount option to your fstab
[15:57] <Votan> like UUID=e345454... / ext4 discard,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 ?
[15:58] <Tetsuo55> ok fixed using this document https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[15:58] <htorque> votan, exactly
[15:58] <Votan> htorque k, thx
[15:58] <htorque> yw :)
[16:01] <Votan> oh btw, is noop still preferred over others in terms of scheduler for SSDs ?
[16:24] <Tetsuo55> why is ubuntu only showing 3,8gb, i have 4gb installed
[16:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: which channel did i reply to you in?
[16:53] <nigelb> lol
[16:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:55] <Tetsuo55> damn, due to retracer lag its failing to retrace my crash reports :(
[17:05] <lucidfox> So
[17:05] <lucidfox> occasionally new windows refuse to launch at all
[17:05] <lucidfox> saying "Maximum number of clients reached"
[17:06] <jml> now that I'm running maverick, many of my application windows are opening maximized
[17:06] <jml> further, they are maximized in such a way that the title bar of the window is beneath the panel
[17:07] <jml> I think this might be to do with previous experiments w/ UNE & friends
[17:12] <yofel> jml: check if you still have maximus installed
[17:12] <jml> yofel, it is indeed installed
[17:12] <jml> yofel, removing it now, thanks.
[17:19] <gubu> how can i get UNE to run in vbox?  only get to the purple/red screen.  any ideas?
[17:27] <coppro> Is Maverick package-locked yet? Because some packages appear to be missing and have no equivalents in Maverick
[17:29] <Pici> FinalFreeze is on Thursday.
[17:31] <gubu> anyone running UNE in vbox?
[17:32] <gubu> noone?
[17:35] <coppro> :/
[17:35] <coppro> plt-scheme (or what should be racket) appears to be missing :(
[17:36] <Pici> coppro: should be in universe
[17:36] <coppro> packages.ubuntu.com disagrees
[17:37] <Pici> coppro: Its listed as being published here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plt-scheme/+publishinghistory
[17:38] <coppro> huh
[17:39] <coppro> boo, it's outdated :(
[17:39] <Ian_corne> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plt-scheme/+bug/635764
[17:40] <coppro> yes, I know
[17:40] <coppro> but that's a corollory to the fact that the version in maverick is a major version behind :(
[17:45] <Katsumi32> hi i have question anyone run 10.10 without any crashes etc ? and also is it there any risk if i triple boot ubuntu 10.04 10.10 and win 7?
[17:47] <Azelphur> I personally run 10.10 without any issues. No one here is going to tell you that installing a beta OS is safe :p
[17:47] <Azelphur> or rather alpha, it hasn't even hit beta yet
[17:47] <popey> it has
[17:47] <charlie-tca> see the topic
[17:47] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[17:48] <Azelphur> that means the schedule is wrong?
[17:48]  * DanaG tried unity on fglrx and intel... it's buggy both places.
[17:48] <Azelphur> schedule says maverick beta is 18th september o.O
[17:48] <Azelphur> also beta before feature freeze?
[17:49] <Katsumi32> Azelphur, beta ver was released about two weeks ago
[17:49] <Azelphur> or is the schedule very wrong XD
[17:49] <Azelphur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule seems wrong then lol
[17:49] <Katsumi32> shcedule isnt wrong
[17:49] <Katsumi32> :)
[17:49] <popey> how is it wrong?
[17:49] <Azelphur> it says the beta is on 18th september o.O
[17:49] <popey> no, it doesn
[17:49] <popey> 18th week, sept 2nd
[17:49] <Azelphur> oh, line 18
[17:50] <Katsumi32> Azelphur, youre wrong:)
[17:50] <Azelphur> reading fail :D
[17:50] <DanaG> In fact, I'm glad I'm not epileptic... or unity would've given me seizures!
[17:50] <Katsumi32> what moth do you have in your country at the moment Azelphur ?
[17:50] <Katsumi32> :)
[17:53] <shcherbak> 10.10? Yes Katrumi - it works fair better that 10.04,
[17:54] <shcherbak> Laptop, Nvidia - u cal use fixes from 10.04 for graphic, my only trouble is suspend issue
[17:59] <bjsnider> DanaG, why is that?
[18:03] <DanaG> unity flickers white madly anytime anything happens.
[18:18] <duffydack> final/kernel freeze on thurs...nice.  fglrx not long after perhaps?
[18:39] <sburwood> Can anyone tell me what they think about Maverick Beta and how it should develop
[18:40] <sburwood> in terms of a final release
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Maverick Beta is pretty solid, it should be a good release
[18:41] <sburwood> Can anyone tell me what they think about Maverick Beta and how it should develop into a final release?
[18:41] <sburwood> and what's new with it?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Most of that is in http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[18:43] <sburwood> charlie-tca: And what is new about it?  Just more updated Open Office and such or something really revolutionary?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Again, that would be in those notes. I run Xubuntu, so am not fully aware of the changes in gnome desktop
[18:44] <sburwood> charlie-tca: do you think it would work on a netbook like an EEE?
[18:44] <charlie-tca> It does work on some of them, and it fails on others
[18:44]  * yofel has kubuntu maverick desktop running on his eeePC 1000H
[18:45] <charlie-tca> It is still beta, and there are still some issues
[18:45] <sburwood> yofel: and you're happy with it?
[18:46] <sburwood> charlie-tca: I imagine there are some issues, it's a beta
[18:46] <yofel> there are compositing issues, but those should be fixed once mesa 7.9 get's uploaded
[18:46] <yofel> otherwise I'm happy with it
[18:47] <sburwood> yofel: I'm not into the tech level, but I'm sure that mesa (what's that?) will resolve stuff
[18:47] <sburwood> loll
[18:47] <sburwood> any way, I'm gonna eat.  See you later?
[18:48] <h00k> er
[18:48] <yofel> gone o.O
[18:49] <charlie-tca> It would be easier if people would read the release notes. It does give a lot of information
[19:13] <myk_robinson> got an issue with audio skipping in Maverick on my laptop, which worked fine in Lucid. Perhaps an issue with Pulse Audio? How do I switch to something other than Pulse for testing?
[19:22] <Tetsuo55> looks like both bugs are fixed for me (empathy crash and flash crash ), but flash now blacks out instead of crashing
[19:24] <dli> myk_robinson, maybe, you should check pulse volume first, sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[19:26] <myk_robinson> dli: I get plenty of volume, its just that a lot of audio, whether it be online or an MP3 on the laptop, skips around. never had this issue on Lucid
[19:28] <dli> myk_robinson, I mean check everything in pavucontrol, output device first
[19:29] <papertigers> 14:28:11   papertigers | anyone know if those apple magic trackpad drivers in 10.10 work for the touchpad on the laptops?                                                               │ akamaus
[19:29] <papertigers> opps sorry anyone know if those apple magic trackpad drivers in 10.10 work for the touchpad on the laptops?
[19:32] <myk_robinson> dli: everything appears to be fine there
[19:33] <dli> myk_robinson, fuser -v /dev/snd/*
[19:34] <myk_robinson> /dev/snd/controlC0:  myk        1507 F.... pulseaudio
[19:35] <dli> myk_robinson, alsamixer -c 0
[19:37] <myk_robinson> brings up a console based mixer. What am I looking for?
[19:37] <myk_robinson> just to explain better, when I say the audio skips, it is literally like a record skipping.
[19:37] <myk_robinson> volume stays consistent, just the audio skips, stutters, and slurs
[19:39] <dli> myk_robinson, sorry, I thought you were asking for a 'no sound' troubleshooting
[19:39] <myk_robinson> no prob, i appreciate you speaking up either way
[19:39] <rizwan> hi everyone
[19:39] <dli> myk_robinson, if want to remove pulseaudio, sudo apt-get autoremove pulseaudio
[19:39] <rizwan> just upgraded from lucid to maverick.
[19:39] <rizwan> dont see the highly advertised sound menu anywhere.
[19:40] <rizwan> how to add it?
[19:40] <myk_robinson> next issue. Network Manger, i am unable to disable my wireless card. Wired and Wireless networing are both checked and grayed out. Cant uncheck
[19:41] <dli> myk_robinson, you want to disable the wifi card totally or just want to disable it in nm? to disable the wifi card, just blacklist the kernel module
[19:41] <myk_robinson> in network manager only
[19:41] <myk_robinson> sometimes useful to force a refresh of available wifi networks
[19:42] <dli> myk_robinson, you couldn't uncheck "Enable wireless network"?
[19:42] <myk_robinson> negative. I could in Lucid
[19:42] <myk_robinson> wired and wireless are both working fine, just cant disable them
[19:43] <myk_robinson> weird... i stand corrected.. Perhaps an update fixed something, because they are no longer grayed out
[19:43] <dli> myk_robinson, is so, report the bug, and try a workaround, like: sudo apt-get install wicd
[19:43] <myk_robinson> dli: your mere presence made it work out of sheer terror :)
[19:43] <myk_robinson> messed with it for a few hours yesterday trying some things others suggested. A bug is already filed for the issue by another user
[19:43] <myk_robinson> unsure what fixed it though
[19:44] <dli> myk_robinson, I usually keep both nm and wicd .deb , so I can switch between them
[20:33] <JoshuaL> Setting up samba (2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu5) ...
[20:33] <JoshuaL> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 to provide /usr/bin/smbstatus (smbstatus) in auto mode.
[20:33] <JoshuaL> and then it does nothing, apt-get update that is
[20:36] <duffydack> error installing b43 free driver, I have the log..
[20:49] <dli> duffydack, b43 is in kernel, you need the firmware though
[20:50] <duffydack> I just activated it from jockey, and it failed.  I`ll use STA if I have to, but wanna give b43 a try.
[20:51] <dli> duffydack, check dmesg, search for b43, dmesg|less
[20:52] <duffydack> ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode15.fw" not found
[20:52] <duffydack> b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43-open/ucode15.fw" not found
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> trying wifidrivers duffydack?
[20:53] <duffydack> telling me to download the firmware.  Ive not had to do that with b43 in the past.. altho the driver itself blew, for me.
[20:53] <dli> duffydack, apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> i have hp laptop with STA wifi drivers
[20:55] <dli> lotuspsychje, does it work with b43?
[20:55] <duffydack> dli,  ah, thanks.  would of thought jockey would do the hard work for me
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> no dli
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> b43 cant be installed
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> only STA driver
[20:55] <duffydack> I use STA in lucid because it works perfectly.. I just wanna try b43 once more, in a newer environment.
[20:56] <CarlFK> what's the url for daily builds?
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> dli: im wondering why maverick doesnt recognize sta driver by default
[20:56] <dli> duffydack, you can try again with the firmware installed, sudo rmmod b43;sudo modprobe b43
[20:56] <duffydack> dli, Not supported low-power chip with PCI id 14e4:4315!
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> i had to install manually from main/pool
[20:58] <duffydack> I only wanna try it instead of STA because I dont want there to be such a delay in connecting that there is..
[20:58] <CarlFK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:58] <dli> duffydack, apt-get install broadcom-sta-source
[20:59] <duffydack> NM sits there maybe 15 seconds before attempting, and then takes another 5 or 6 to connect.
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> my sta drivers have no delay
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> on 64bit
[20:59] <duffydack> mine does.  64bit.
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> odd
[20:59] <duffydack> dli, what is this for?
[20:59] <dli> duffydack, b43 uses like 20% of CPU
[21:00] <dli> duffydack, to install the broadcom-sta driver
[21:00] <duffydack> dli, oh.. thats ok, I dont have any issues with installing it, from jockey or apt...
[21:01] <duffydack> I just wanted to give b43 a try to see if it doesnt have the delay, as muhc.
[21:01] <duffydack> much*
[21:06] <pedobear_^> hi, any idea how to start root script after/within X for user without sudo rights ? i tried rc.local but in ubuntu everything seems a bit more complicated =) ( deprecated?!)
[21:06] <yofel> rc.local is run, but thanks to upstart, that may be quite a while after login
[21:07] <jenkins> anyone having issues with banshee using loads of cpu and ram. I looked and before i killed it it was using 103% cpu and 1.3gb of ram. I guess the 3% over 100% is because i am dual core
[21:07] <sebsebseb> Hi
[21:07] <sebsebseb> So what you lot think of the new wallpaper?  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/the-new-ubuntu-10-10-default-wallpaper/
[21:07] <jenkins> hey sebsebseb hows you long time no talk
[21:07] <pedobear_^> mhh i have much experience with rc.local in arch linux , i used ( sleep 60 && bashscript) & not wokring
[21:08] <sebsebseb> jenkins: Ubuntujenkins ?
[21:08] <jenkins> sebsebseb: yep dropped the ubuntu (rather silly part )
[21:08] <sebsebseb> jenkins: well sure, and espesailly if you end up using another distro instead :D
[21:08] <yofel> hm, my scripts in rc.local work fine, it's just that the time  that they are run differs
[21:09] <jenkins> sebsebseb: yea it was causing a few problems
[21:09] <yofel> (longest was 5 minutes after login iirc)
[21:09] <sebsebseb> jenkins: How?  being highlighted when people typed ubuntu ?
[21:09] <jenkins> has the new background hit ubuntu yet?
[21:09] <sebsebseb> jenkins: according to a comment on that page, maybe not yet
[21:10] <yofel> pedobear_^: maybe make it touch a file to see if it's working, or write yourself a simple upstart script in /etc/init
[21:10] <jenkins> sebsebseb: started asking about help in creating packages for quickshot in for other distros. It was not always helpful
[21:10] <yofel> jenkins: it was uploaded, not sure if it made it to the archive yet
[21:10] <sebsebseb> jenkins: Whats quickshot?
[21:10] <yofel> but it looks better at least
[21:10] <sebsebseb> jenkins: sounds familur
[21:11] <pedobear_^> yofel, can upstart scripts just be simple bash scripts , i mean mine will not have stop , start, restart funcionality ...
[21:11] <jenkins> sebsebseb: its the program the manual team uses for taking the screenshots, we have made it for all projects now
[21:11] <sebsebseb> jenkins: made it for all projects?  using for all projects you mean?
[21:12] <jenkins> yea I ment it can be used by all projects
[21:12] <sebsebseb> jenkins: all distros?
[21:12] <jenkins> working on it.
[21:12] <jenkins> i prefer the new wallpaper
[21:13] <sebsebseb> jenkins: its not writtein in Mono or something like that, I hope :)
[21:13] <nemo> hm
[21:13] <nemo> running the installer from the desktop doesn't allow resizing
[21:13] <guntbert> !ot | sebsebseb jenkins
[21:13] <jenkins> python and gk we ar egetting rather off topice :$
[21:13] <nemo> so you have to scroll to see all the nice friendly install text
[21:13] <nemo> I wonder why resize was completely disabled
[21:13] <sebsebseb> jenkins: yeah we are off topic really, lets talk in #ubuntu-manual I haven't been there for quite a while
[21:14] <jenkins> sorry yea about to suggest there as well
[21:14] <yofel> pedobear_^: actually... I completely forgot about it, but I had rc.local issues once too - and wrote an init script that manually starts rc.local...
[21:15] <yofel> pedobear_^: $ ubupaste /etc/init/local.conf
[21:15] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/493819/
[21:16] <duffydack> accidentally removed empathy (dont know how lol) and trying to reinstall it says Depends: empathy-common (= 2.31.92-0ubuntu1) but 2.31.92-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[21:17] <Jordan_U> duffydack: You're apt mirror may be partly unsync'd, try running "sudo apt-get update" and see if you can install then.
[21:18] <yofel> duffydack: there was an empathy upload about 4h ago, wait a while
[21:18] <duffydack> ah.
[21:19]  * Jordan_U forgot he was in #ubuntu+1 :)
[21:19] <duffydack> my mirror is out of sync ten.
[21:19] <duffydack> then*
[21:20] <pedobear_^> yofel , okay thx , this syystem has /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local already , have to play around with some touch if it really gets trigger
[21:20] <CarlFK> duffydack: are you using a mirror so you have local copies of .deb on your lan?
[21:20] <duffydack> No.
[21:21] <yofel> pedobear_^: the sys-v-init scripts should be run by /etc/init/rc.conf, which runs /etc/init.d/rc RUNLEVEL - but that doesn't seem to be very reliable
[21:21] <duffydack> I`ll use the default mirror to test.   I notice the 'software sources' menu option has been removed....
[21:21] <CarlFK> rats :).  I use atp-cache and apt-proxy - can't decide which I like, both have some rough edges - was hoping you had some advice
[21:22] <yofel> duffydack: you can access it from withing software-center, they thought having it twice was too much
[21:22] <yofel> *within
[21:22] <duffydack> true
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> software centerrox
[21:23] <yofel> heh
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> makes things easy
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> and the nice part its all free :p
[21:24] <duffydack> apart from the paid for apps :)
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:24] <h00k> Is quitting gparted when it's doing a resizing read-only test, safe? yes/no?
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> you guys like links2?
[21:25] <duffydack> mirror was out of sync btw.....
[21:26] <duffydack> badly...just run a dist-upgrade and I have a new kernel and other stuff coming down :)
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> connected to the net duffydack?
[21:27] <duffydack> installed this from daily live few hours ago
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:27] <yofel> we're one or two days away from final freeze, you'll get a lot updates until then ;)
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:28] <duffydack> yeah,  I tried it like an hour ago with the mirror I was using and got not a lot :)
[21:29] <yofel> well, the mirror was still at the point when the daily disk was created :P
[21:32] <kklimonda> oh, a new wallpaper is ok.. but I got used to the old one :/
[21:33] <nemo> hm. the remembering the keyring from CD boot on install is a nice touch
[21:33]  * duffydack still using velvet noise
[21:33] <nemo> kudos to the dev team
[21:33] <yofel> kklimonda: hey, you can't let the others that complained down now! :P
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> here'smine kklimonda http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9673/screenshot3dz.png
[21:34] <kklimonda> lotuspsychje: I'm talking about the default one
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> iknow
[21:34] <kklimonda> I'm pretty sure everyone but me change it anyway ;)
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> i like ubuntu eyecandy
[21:34] <nemo> lotuspsychje: I find that sort of thing works better w/ a gl blur on the window
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> always wondering howother desks look like
[21:34] <nemo> but I guess your background is sufficiently soft to not screw up the text
[21:34] <nemo> (gl blur on the opacity I mean)
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> show nemo :p
[21:34] <kklimonda> the only thing I change after 10.10 installation is setting up a new ubuntu font for everything
[21:35] <kklimonda> and that's only because it's not here yet :/
[21:35] <nigelb> and you want to show off :p
[21:35] <nemo> lotuspsychje: I don't have it enabled on my current desktop 'cause ATI sucks.
[21:35] <nemo> lotuspsychje: but once I get my new maverick laptop setup (busy installing it) I will
[21:35] <nemo> lotuspsychje: I also like to use SVG backgrounds so I can dynamically update in a cron job
[21:35] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:36] <nemo> lotuspsychje: actually, I have 2 SVG backgroudns - one rotates through photos named like 1230.jpeg, the other updates system info once a minute
[21:36] <nemo> lotuspsychje: I also have a PNG background w/ strategically set opacity so a cron job that updates gnome's linear gradient settings can make it shift through the day :)
[21:36] <nemo> (background colours shining through)
[21:37] <nemo> lotuspsychje: but anyway, enabling the gl blur on ATI is unfortunately impossible :(  - so I just do without translucent terminals
[21:37] <nemo> lotuspsychje: http://m8y.org/images/sandy_1280_1024_stripped.svg - example of photo rotating, older version of my current desktop
[21:37] <lotuspsychje> i dont nigelb, just like to share stuff
[21:38] <nemo> 14 minutes remaining in the partial upgrade
[21:38] <nigelb> lotuspsychje: I was talkinga bout the fonts ;)
[21:39] <nemo> lotuspsychje: so yeah, the cron job is really simple, it just gets current hour,minute, and if there is a matching photo in the folder, it runs a regex update of the SVG :)
[21:39] <nemo> used to be you had to poke gnome, but it autoupdates now w/o poking
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> hmm that url freez on me
[21:40] <nemo> lotuspsychje: http://m8y.org/tmp/rotateImage2.txt
[21:40] <nemo> (the cronjob)
[21:40] <nemo> lotuspsychje: freezes? what browser? Firefox 4?
[21:45] <duffydack> the delay is a lot less in maverick with sta than in my lucid.. good
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> re
[21:50] <duffydack> can someone tell me the 'server' setting in gtalk account settings.
[21:50] <duffydack> my empathy seems to not wanna fill that part in for me... stopping me from connecting
[22:09] <tball> Hi
[22:09] <tball> Anyone having problems with gnome starting weird, with white or black background
[22:10] <tball> and gnome trying to start multible nautilus's
[22:19] <nemo> lotuspsychje: so, finally finished updating
[22:20] <nemo> lotuspsychje: I enable Blur Windows in CCSM, with Blur Filter set to Gaussian
[22:20] <nemo> I usually crank up the radius a little bit too
[22:20] <nemo> lotuspsychje: that ensures all the strong lines are broken up, so translucent terminals aren't hard to read
[22:20] <rizwan> hi everyone
[22:20] <nemo> graphics card on this thing is an intel one
[22:20] <rizwan> just upgraded from lucid to maverick.
[22:20] <nemo> let's see how the new Firefox 4 HW acceleration performs
[22:20]  * nemo downloads the beta
[22:20] <rizwan> dont see the highly advertised sound menu anywhere.
[22:20] <rizwan>  how to add it?
[22:28] <duffydack> play some music in rhythmbox
[22:28] <duffydack> well, just running it is enough for the controls.
[22:29] <nemo> sweet! 77FPS on http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
[22:29] <nemo> let's see how Firefox 3.6 does...
[22:29] <nemo> hm. not bad. 53FPS
[22:37] <DoYouKnow> Hi... What's the best way to get bcm4328 working on ubuntu+1? is it working by default?
[22:38] <DoYouKnow> I'd be kind of bummed if it still wasn't working
[22:38] <nemo> Huh. that's odd
[22:38] <nemo> Google Chrome 6 only managed 6fps
[22:39] <nemo> anyone here happen to know what the download link is for 7, offhand?
[22:39] <yofel> DoYouKnow: I did hear of that failing, do you have a build log? just curious
[22:39] <duffydack> nemo,  you need the dev channel
[22:39] <nemo> duffydack: wherezat?
[22:39] <DoYouKnow> yofel: no, last time it didn't work there just wasn't a package to support it
[22:40] <DoYouKnow> there wasn't an error or anything, just no native support
[22:40] <DoYouKnow> so I was wondering if something has changed in the past couple years
[22:40] <nemo> duffydack: wondering if it has hardware acceleration, since it is weird that Firefox 3.6, which didn't really try for accel is 10x faster at that rendering
[22:40] <nemo> duffydack: btu then, FF integrates more w/ X, might be using my graphics card more effectively...
[22:41] <nemo> well. 9x faster
[22:41] <yofel> DoYouKnow: oh, I mistook it for another chip then, and it's not supported by the b43 driver?
[22:41] <duffydack> dont think chrome(ium) uses hardware accel yet
[22:41] <DoYouKnow> yofel: no
[22:41] <DoYouKnow> yofel: not according to their website
[22:41] <nemo> duffydack: well. I didn't think FF3.6 did either :)
[22:41] <nemo> oh well. can't hurt to try 7 - where's that dev  channel?
[22:42] <duffydack> http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[22:42] <DoYouKnow> ■BCM4321 - These devices have unsupported N-PHYs. We are working on it.
[22:42] <yofel> DoYouKnow: then I don't know, maybe the kernel team can help in #ubuntu-kernel, if anyone is online
[22:43] <yofel> hm, 4321 should be supported by bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:43] <yofel>  These package contains Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver
[22:43] <yofel>  for use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4321-, and
[22:43] <yofel>  BCM4322-based hardware.
[22:44] <yofel> !info bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:44] <DoYouKnow> yeah, but I've had problems with that driver
[22:45] <DoYouKnow> maybe the problems are fixed
[22:45] <DoYouKnow> it just acts flakey sometimes
[22:45] <yofel> can't help more as I don't own a broadcom card myself
[22:45] <DoYouKnow> ok
[22:46] <nemo> ah. that helped a LOT
[22:46] <nemo> duffydack: GC6: 6fps GC7: 24FPS FF3.6: 53FPS  FF4: 77FPS
[22:46] <nemo> duffydack: so clearly they've made some significant improvements
[22:47] <duffydack> hmm
[22:49] <duffydack> html5 still FTW. http://www.chromeexperiments.com/arcadefire/
[22:49] <nemo> duffydack: yeah, I saw that one
[22:50] <nemo> Was designed for Chrome, but, dunno, worked fine in FF4 on my old computer
[22:50]  * nemo tries it on his newly installed maverick
[22:50] <nemo> anyway. yeah, is a new era
[22:50] <nemo> heck. IE9 supporting <canvas> - did not expect *that*
[22:50] <nemo> perhaps they will cave in and support webgl in tomorrow's beta
[22:51] <nemo> ooh. that reminds me
[22:51] <nemo> need to install virtualbox so I can test IE9 in a vista image
[22:51] <duffydack> does IE still need the chrome framework for html5
[22:56] <nemo> duffydack: not IE9
[22:56] <nemo> duffydack: however, IE9 still does not support webm
[22:56] <nemo> duffydack: or ogg
[22:56] <duffydack> successfully copied all the code then :)
[22:56] <nemo> duffydack: so they clearly are planning to delineate there and do a format war
[22:57] <nemo> duffydack: also, their SVG support has been growing by leaps and bounds in each release, but is still pretty bad
[22:57] <nemo> duffydack: oh. and here's a fun one... I ran into this 2 days ago
[22:57] <nemo> duffydack: http://blog.mozilla.com/rob-sayre/2010/09/09/js-benchmarks-closing-in/ - scroll down to the bit about IE9
[22:57] <SQFreak> I have Ubuntu 10.10 Beta Netbook Edition, and many dialog boxes run off the bottom of the screen and I can't move them up far enough or resize them. Suggestions?
[22:58] <nemo> SQFreak: alt-left click to force the window to be moved up off-screen
[22:58] <nemo> SQFreak: also, get rid of a panel if you can.
[22:58] <nemo> SQFreak: and might want to look for an ultra-thin theme
[22:59] <nemo> I'm not done customising my new laptop, but I plan to create or install a theme w/ small icons and ultra-thin edges and scrollbars
[22:59] <nemo> I did that on my last laptop
[22:59] <nemo> duffydack: isn't that wild? his changes were utterly unimportant.  wouldn't want to accuse them of hardcoding the benchmark, but...
[23:01] <nemo> it's a shame FF4 won't make it into maverick. I've installed it on my desktop, and I'm sure there's some dev channel, but it's a pretty big step forward in terms of browsers
[23:02] <duffydack> I`ll stick to chromium thanks.
[23:02] <duffydack> I dont need any GL yet.
[23:10] <nemo> duffydack: well, that's an improvement too, but still, having FF3.6 be the default is just lame
[23:10] <nemo> they went w/ a beta *last* time
[23:11] <SQFreak> What is mutter? It crashed and really crazy things happened.
[23:12] <duffydack> nemo, I forget.. I dont think it was an early beta, it was days away from being called final wasnt it?  FF4 is a whole other story.
[23:12] <nemo> it definitely wasn't days.
[23:13] <nemo> duffydack: FF4 though will be on the next-to-last beta by the time maverick is released
[23:13] <duffydack> was RC though?
[23:13]  * nemo checks the timeline
[23:13] <nemo> duffydack: wasn't RC AFAIK
[23:13] <nemo> checking
[23:13] <duffydack> I stopped using FF just before Lucid, so I dunno
[23:15] <nemo> 8.04 used FF3beta5
[23:15] <Ian_corne> ouch
[23:16] <Dink> 388.839967] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id  , is that kernel or Xorg bug ?
[23:16] <nemo> ok. that was the last beta
[23:16] <nemo> but still. they are on beta7 now, and plan to halt at beta9
[23:17] <nemo> so it'd be pretty close to same
[23:17] <nemo> and didn't Edgy do the same thing?
[23:17] <Ian_corne> SQFreak: mutter - lightweight GTK+ window manager
[23:17] <nemo> yeah. used FF2 beta 2
[23:18] <SQFreak> Ian_corne: That explains why things went crazy when it crashed. I think I'll just use the Desktop Edition for now...works better any I'm more familiar with it anyway.
[23:18] <Ian_corne> I'm using the desktop edition on my eee too
[23:19] <Ian_corne> but be sure to report the mutter bug if you can
[23:22] <SQFreak> Ian_corne: It was an assert failure, so it couldn't report it.
[23:23] <Ian_corne> ok
[23:24] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:24] <Ian_corne> If it was workable for me, I'd use it to test it but it's just not feeling right
[23:24] <Ian_corne> hey BUGabundo
[23:26] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[23:27] <BUGabundo> hey guys :D
[23:27] <BUGabundo> just came back, from spending more money :S
[23:27] <kklimonda> oh, what have you bought?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> SONY CYBER-SHOT DSC-W320
[23:30] <BUGabundo> plus SD, plus purse, plus bla bla....
[23:30] <BUGabundo> 150€
[23:31] <yofel> show us some pictures :P
[23:31] <BUGabundo> of it ? or from it ?
[23:31] <Ian_corne> both
[23:32]  * yofel has to wait a while before buying anything new :S
[23:32] <yofel> spent what I had to spend on a N900
[23:33] <yofel> wonder if I'm using too much linux if the 2nd app I opened was the terminal...
[23:33] <lars_t_h> yofel, N900 is nice
[23:33] <BUGabundo> tip, a Vaio FE31M laptop, has no LCD backlight? any advice?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> yofel: you should have gone Android !!
[23:34] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne will back me up :P
[23:34] <lars_t_h> I am waiting for the N9 with the MeeGo OS
[23:34] <yofel> heh
[23:34] <BUGabundo> wel you can put nidroid on it :\
[23:34] <yofel> nah, I like my n900 :P
[23:34] <yofel> and maemo isn't that bad for now
[23:35] <lars_t_h> yofel, when MeeGo is ready, i am sure you can upgrade to that OS
[23:35] <yofel> right, haven't been following that too much though yet
[23:36] <lars_t_h> It shold be ready in spring of 2011 AFAIK
[23:36] <nemo> :( no sound on my new laptop
[23:37] <BUGabundo> nemo: mute, and umnute
[23:37] <BUGabundo> happened to me twice alread
[23:37] <nemo> BUGabundo: no such luck. just no sound
[23:38] <nemo> all the channels seem normal in alsamixer, all the settings seem fine in sound prefs
[23:38] <BUGabundo> so what about the laptop and backlight?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> just test a newer kernel ?
[23:38] <nemo> of course, sound never worked
[23:38] <BUGabundo> or is there a package I should throw at it ?
[23:38] <nemo> (since I just installed it)
[23:38] <lars_t_h> nemo, you know there are no sound if you enable software-modem?
[23:39] <nemo> lars_t_h: did not know that
[23:39] <yofel> BUGabundo: no LCD backlight as in, black screen?
[23:39] <nemo> lars_t_h: is that something it might enable on me in background?
[23:39] <kklimonda> nemo: install either backpoted alsa or dailies from ~ubuntu-audio-dev ppa
[23:39] <nemo> m'k
[23:40] <kklimonda> backported alsa modules*
[23:40] <kklimonda> search repository for linux backports alsa
[23:40] <lars_t_h> nemo, no you had to install it manually, so if you had not install software-modem no trouble from thart direction
[23:40] <BUGabundo> yofel: not exactly. more like no controls. its always on MAX bright !
[23:41] <nemo> kklimonda: so if I enable maverick-backports, that might do it?
[23:41] <nemo> or maverick-proposed ?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> there are NO backports , yet
[23:41] <kklimonda> no, it's in standard repository
[23:41] <BUGabundo> only one repo
[23:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: hm, I had that on my t510 with nvidia 3100M, had to add some xorg.conf option
[23:41] <BUGabundo> till we go stable
[23:41] <nemo> ah
[23:41] <nemo> BUGabundo: wasn't sure if there was some sort of checkpointing thingy
[23:41] <kklimonda> nemo: just install linux-backports-modules-alsa-maverick-generic or linux-backports-modules-alsa-maverick-generic-pae depending on your kernel flavour
[23:42] <BUGabundo> yofel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SonyVaioBrightness ?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> !vaio
[23:42] <BUGabundo> !bright
[23:42] <IdleOne> uptitude upgrade seems stuck
[23:42] <IdleOne> Setting up samba (2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu5) ...
[23:42] <IdleOne> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 to provide /usr/bin/smbstatus (smbstatus) in auto mode.
[23:43] <IdleOne> been like that for about 15 minutes
[23:43] <nemo> kklimonda: hrm. kernel is generic but linux-backports-modules-alsa-maverick-generic says it isn't installable due to dep on linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.35-21-generic
[23:43] <IdleOne> suggestions?
[23:43] <IdleOne> aptitude*
[23:43] <nemo> kklimonda: I admit I'm not too hip to how ubuntu does things
[23:43] <nemo> there is a linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.35-20-generic available
[23:43] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: mine too. even killed guake where I had it running
[23:44] <kklimonda> nemo: well, welcome to beta
[23:44] <nemo> heh
[23:44] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: funny I have it running in guake also
[23:44] <kklimonda> nemo: it should build shortly so try again later
[23:44] <BUGabundo> small world :P
[23:44] <kklimonda> nemo: you could also try with ~ubuntu-audio-dev ppa first
[23:44] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: should I kill the process and try again in gnome-terminal?
[23:45] <BUGabundo> mine eventualy fishined
[23:45] <BUGabundo> ps axuw | grep apt
[23:45] <nemo> kklimonda: that sorta stuff always makes me nervous - last time I tried it w/ evolution I was cleaning up manually using dpkg for an hour later to revert :)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> will tell you what's doing
[23:45] <BUGabundo> killing it, will leave lock, and probably a corrupted install package
[23:45] <BUGabundo> forcing you to a dpkg --configure -a
[23:45] <yofel> BUGabundo: no idea about vaio, sry, for my nvidia card adding 'Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1"' to xorg.conf helped
[23:46] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: ok I'll let it go for a while longer
[23:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: no module load, it seems. trying that 1st
[23:46] <yofel> ah
[23:46] <kklimonda> nemo: you can wait for linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.35-21-generic to be built
[23:47] <nemo> kklimonda: kk, I'll refresh in a couple of hours
[23:51] <nemo> right. back to freeing up screen space
[23:51] <nemo> I only have 800px, so need to get rid of that bottom panel and move everything on top
[23:51] <nemo> which means using the translation hack to make Applications/Places/System less verbose
[23:52] <kklimonda> use unity :)
[23:52] <nemo> hm
[23:52] <nemo> bit too lightweight
[23:53] <nemo> buuuut, what the heck
[23:53] <nemo> can't hurt to try it
[23:53]  * nemo rearranges his firefox interface to fit it on one line
[23:53] <dli> nemo, I got 768 pixes, I run xfce with one top panel, and small screen theme
[23:54] <nemo> yeep
[23:54] <nemo> that's way too many deps
[23:54] <nemo> naw. gonna just go w/ my hacks. I'm familiar w/ 'em :)
[23:56] <nemo> App/Loc/Sys
[23:56] <nemo> much better
[23:58] <CarlFK> installed from cd, got the "you need to restart...OK" dialog, hit OK, shutdown process ran, then my screen fiilled with "[1234..] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 506548" (timestamp and sector number increase)
[23:58] <CarlFK> this happed with karmic too.  pretty sure I reported it.  seems like the CD is being ejected before it is unmounted
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Yup
[23:59] <charlie-tca> CarlFK: just hit ENTER after removing the cd. It will continue
[23:59] <CarlFK> heh
[23:59] <CarlFK> yep.  guessing I don't need to bug this?