=== Guest85165 is now known as thatjoshdood [00:08] nite, my friends [00:10] sebsebseb, I've never used Ubuntu (Gentoo user) but I just built a new system and want to give it a go.... think I should use the beta now or just wait till 10.10? [00:10] FunkyELF: right yeah [00:10] FunkyELF: so you might find Ubuntu a bit to newbie, being used to Gentoo [00:10] FunkyELF: and you might not be so keen on certain features it has, but sure give the beta a go [00:11] FunkyELF: I mean after using Gentoo, your more than expereinced to do a development version of Ubuntu, especially when its beta [00:12] sebsebseb, I use Gentoo on a lot of things (xbox, ps3, sheevaplug, etc) but I don't really know it all that well. [00:13] This machine is for photo stuff. I don't want to be constantly updating / breaking things. I need it to be stable. Thats why I'm looking for something more mainstream like OpenSUSE or Ubuntu (fedora turns me off and I don't know why) [00:14] Is GIMP not gonna be installed by default on 10.10? [00:15] Saguaro: indeed [00:15] Saguaro: and it already isn't in 10.04 by default [00:15] I'm pretty sure my 10.04 had GIMP [00:15] FunkyELF: well, the LTS version (lucid in this case) is supposed to be the most stable and has the longest support cycle, but as a gentoo user you might rather want a bit more up-to-date system, so go with maverick (unless you're using KDE on intel graphics, mav has some problems there) [00:15] maybe 10.04.1 doesn't [00:15] what's replacing GIMP? [00:16] 10.04 shouldn't have gimp by default, and it was replaced with fspot I think, not sure [00:16] and f-spot is being replaced in 10.10 by shotwell [00:16] ah [00:16] isn't f-spot only for like photos? [00:16] or is it a full image editor? [00:17] Saguaro: you can install gimp and inkscape and such into 10.10 yourself [00:17] oh I know, and I did [00:17] Saguaro: Gimp takes up space on the ISO [00:17] well, the common user usually uses gimp for photos [00:17] ah [00:17] and the default install targets most usesr [00:17] Saguaro: and is a bit to complex for the average user [00:17] yofel, what is not updated in LTS? packages, kernel? [00:17] Saguaro: Ubuntu since 9.04 is mainly about targeting newbies [00:17] yofel, is it just security patches no updates?... is that what LTS is? [00:18] and the iso space right [00:18] meh, quassel is being laggy again o.O [00:18] FunkyELF: only security vulnerabilities and the worst bugs are fixed in LTS after release. [00:19] there is -backports to get newer app versions backported to an older release on request though [00:20] sebsebseb: 9.04? :P [00:20] thanks for reminding me that I need to install mav on my old jaunty usb recovery stick [00:23] yofel: shame that another great release, except for a feature that really got at me, is about to die [00:23] heh, jaunty was actually the last ubuntu release that I liked, so I'm a bit sad for wiping it too, now I'm on kubuntu [00:26] yofel: oh right [00:26] yofel: well for me the last Ubuntu release that I porperly liked was 8.10 [00:27] yofel: and ok 9.04 as well, once I changed the log in screen theme, and removed shut down on the right, to get back in system menu :) [00:27] guys can someone explain to me why releases die? [00:27] heh [00:27] i use 8.10 [00:27] yofel: and with the optional Ext4 support, that wasn't properly stable, that really did speed up boot up and shut down :) [00:28] yofel: for 9.04 [00:28] haytham-med: we have limited resources and handling security updates for more than a few releases isn't possible [00:28] sebsebseb: oh right, I remember the ext4 mess from the devel days, that was fun :D [00:28] !eol [00:28] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [00:28] yofel: in fact I was going to keep the other computer on 8.10, but then the ethernet woudn't work with it, but 9.04 was already out by the time I updated :) I thought the update had gone wrong, but no woudn't work on the Live CD either [00:28] i dnt mean security updates, i am concerned with packages [00:29] haytham-med: when a release dies thats it [00:29] haytham-med: no more updates at all [00:29] well, dead releases also are removed from the archive aren't they? so no installing packages that aren't on the cd [00:29] for ex as regards vlc [00:29] yofel: yeah then things went a bit uh with 9.10, and really uh with 10.04, and things have improved a little bit in 10.10 it seems :) [00:30] haytham-med: the package archive is still availabe on old-releases.ubuntu.com if you want to install something, but you won't get any updates anymore [00:30] haytham-med: you should upgrade to at least 9.04 [00:30] haytham-med: however that will also run out of support at the end of next month [00:30] psusi: ^ [00:31] so what if i installed 9.04 package in an 8.10 distro ? :) [00:31] the package archive is always moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com - actually you can even get the warty install cd from there ^^ [00:31] haytham-med: psusi as for why releases don't last that long, except for the Long Term Support releases, I guess its since most of these programs are developed rather fast [00:31] new versions coming out every six months for Gnome and KDE [00:31] and Firefox doing quite a lot of new versions each year even, and what not [00:31] haytham-med: no guarantee that it will work, and the dependencies might require you to upgrade more packages [00:32] upgradet chromium using that way :) [00:32] upgraded* [00:33] but in general, if you don't like updating, use a LTS release, you can go back to 8.04 too if you want, that's still supported for a while [00:33] heck, even 6.06 is still supported on servers [00:33] haytham-med: yofel can only go back by clean installing, well unless the system gets broken trying or something [00:33] !downgrade [00:33] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system. [00:33] right [00:34] haytham-med: 8.10 was great overall, and yes it is sad that its no longer supported since April 30th 2010 [00:34] yep [00:35] haytham-med: I guess get yourself upgraded to 10.10, but maybe not just yet, because the final isn't out just yet [00:35] haytham-med: or you could run 9.10 untill April next year [00:36] the idea is that u install a lot of apps in the current release, a new install in my opinion wil be time consuming [00:36] haytham-med: 9.10 would be more familar to you from being a 8.10 user, and I didn't like it when it was the latest much, but now really I would prefer it to 10.04 and 10.10. [00:39] when does 10.10 go official? [00:41] !schedule [00:41] A schedule of Maverick Meerkat (10.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule [00:41] Saguaro: Sunday October 10th next month instead of Thursday 28th [00:41] thanks [00:41] on 10.10.10 actually :P [00:41] that's awesome [00:48] does unity require 3d/compositing? [00:48] tca: uhmm if you got Nivida need propritary driver installed [00:49] i have ati [00:49] but the oss driver only supports 2d [00:49] tca: then you might need a driver for your card, but probably not [00:49] hd 3200 [00:49] tca: need something that can do 3D as far as I know [00:49] tca: for Unity [00:51] have to wait for new ati drivers then :< [00:53] tca: Have you tired without propritary driver? [00:53] yes [00:54] just tons of artifacts and nothing usable [00:54] tca: artifacts? [00:54] ya [00:54] tca: what do you mean artifacts? [00:55] ill screenshot it for you [00:55] tca: apparently Unity isn't even that stable at the moment, from something I read earlier [00:55] oh [01:08] thanks guys for help [01:24] why my ubuntu freezes randomly sometimes for 5 seconds? [01:24] annoying as hell when i play games [01:25] cuz then i die [01:26] smallfoot-: well. is there anything in dmesg, the sys log, the X console log or the X log? [01:26] smallfoot-: and if it is happening in games, maybe you should try disabling compiz (just in case) [01:26] and maybe add a CPU monitoring applet to your taskbar if you haven't done it already, to see if there are any spikes [01:30] nemo, in 10.04 it nevre happend, even with compiz on [01:31] audio, mouse, keyboard, video, everything goes unresponsive [01:32] hm, I get short UI freezes too, like: 2sec completely frozen, then the mouse work again, and after additional 3sec the desktop responds again [01:32] can't find anything in the logs though :/ [01:32] yofel: see your X cpu usage :/ [01:32] smallfoot-: m'k aaaand anything in dmesg etc etc? [01:32] just about everything I do makes X use 100% of cpu [01:33] kklimonda: if I had that *charted* somewhere I could, but as the UI is frozen I can't check the cpu usage in that time [01:33] and before and after the cpu usage of xorg is fine [01:33] gonna check [01:34] * yofel only gets 100% cpu from Xorg when scrolling launchpad paged in firefox... [01:34] *pages [01:35] nope, i think i find nothing in logs [02:00] About Ubuntu is missing some fonts? known bug? [02:01] why does me System->About Ubuntu, has messed up fonts in menu? [02:02] that's what i just asked. guess it's a bug [02:31] In my soundmenu, there is no Rhythmbox icon. How do I fix this? === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan [02:43] I upgraded my netbook to maverick beta, and several applications crash imediately in the new interface. Has anyone else been experiencing this? [02:44] philsf: Can't say I have. [02:45] xchat for example: the network list window opens, but when I select a network, the main window crashes. other applications crash intermitently [02:46] philsf: Sorry, I don't use xchat so I cannot confirm. [02:46] philsf: Try running it from a terminal window and looking at the output? [02:46] I tried, no output or core dump [02:47] firefox also crashes everytime [02:47] philsf: Firefox is as stable on Maverick as on Lucid for me. [02:48] everything worked perfectly on lucid for me [02:48] I'm using the netbook-launcher now, on maverick, and everything seems to be working, except firefox [02:48] how can I debug this? [02:49] it crashes and a window appears offering to send info to mozilla [02:50] running FF from the terminal I only get the following output: "Attempting to load the system libmoon" [03:07] ubuntufan, do you have the moonlight extension for mozilla installed? [03:08] philsf: I don't think so. [03:08] ubuntufan, would you install it and try running firefox again? [03:09] I think this is what was crashing [03:09] philsf: No. [03:09] it may be worth checking for the release notes [03:11] philsf: you could ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam if they know more [03:12] Isn't the point of this channel to report problems in the beta? === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC [03:13] I'm not exactly trying to scratch my itch, I'm having problems other people might also have [03:15] so... anybody gotten rhythmbox-plugin-ampache working w/ maverick? it's no-go for me so far [03:16] also noticed it's now missing from the repos :( === JoshuaP is now known as Guest23274 [03:23] how can I turn off bluetooth now in maverick? the indicator appmenu used to have a "turn off" option, but now it's missing [03:28] is anyone here that's also using the netbook version of maverick? [03:31] After updates yesterday I have no sound. Anyone having this problem? [04:54] I having trouble with nviai drivers (video) I installed latest and I can not get system to start with full res [05:17] are there gonna be any upgrades to 64-bit flash in 10.10? [05:41] What's the upstart-era cli tools used to manage stuff run during inits? [06:32] /etc/rc.local is not being called. i'm running 64-bit. i added a 'touch /tmp/testrclocal' to rc.local, but got nothing. [06:42] valuedcustomer: Is it executable? [06:57] I don't have sound anymore. Is this a known problem? It worked until I updated two days ago. [06:59] jimlovell777: Not for me. [07:00] Anything I can check? I've gone through all of my sound configurations, nothing is muted, I've tried analog speakers, analog out, duplex etc.. no change. [07:00] jimlovell777: May be your sound is muted. Have a look at loudspeaker symbol in the upper right > click at it and see if the slider is to the right and not muted. [07:02] bullgard4: Nope, first thing I checked. I checked the app volume (no sound with firefox, totem, and on down the line) then system volume then all of the sound settings. Of which I changed none before the sound stopped working. [07:14] I've even worked down this list https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and no change. I don't get it, it worked, I updated and now it doesn't work. Sound still works under Windows. [07:16] hi there, is there any link where I could find the major differences between 10.04 and 10.10 ? [07:27] glebihan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs [07:37] thanks bullgard4 === tm_ is now known as tm [08:23] hey guys, I've noticed a serious issue whereby the CPU frequency isn't scaling up (it runs at less than max) when under full cpu core usage. What package should I report this on? [08:39] Hi, just upgraded to maverick and have hit a very strange bug. I could do with some help diagnosing it. [08:40] In essence my laptop now only does things for about a second after pressing a key, then it hangs unless I press a key again. So I have to hold down a key like Alt all the way through the boot process to even make it boot [08:40] herman: Does this continue after X starts? [08:41] yes. For example the wifi is trying to join the network (It can't because the password is wrong) but I can see it bouncing up and down, but about a second after I release a key it freezes [08:42] until I press a key again and then it starting bouncing up and down for another second [08:42] The same thing in a VT. The cursor stops flashing [08:45] herman: I wonder if a synthetic event would be enough. [08:45] Moving the mouse in X works too btw. How would I generate a synthetic event? [08:49] Jordan_U: There is nothing interesting spat out by dmesg, I was expecting some soft lockup or similar but there is no indication anything is wrong. [08:55] herman: I'm guessing it has something to do with hardware interrupts, though I'm not quite sure what. In which case sending synthetic key presses would do nothing. [08:56] Jordan_U: got any advice on where to take this? Should I just log a bug report? [08:57] herman: Yes, file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug linux". [08:57] herman: You can try sending synthetic events with "xte" [08:58] herman: For instance: xte 'mousemove 1 1' [08:59] Jordan_U: Ah X events, since it locks up on a VT too I doubt that will do anything but I can try it again. I'll log a bug report. Thanks [08:59] herman: Does holding shift down keep things alive as well? [09:01] Ctrl, Alt and Shift all work, in fact any key seems to work. I tried letters and the 'windows' key. [09:02] herman: How much unfrozen time does each keypress get you? [09:03] Jordan_U: It actually varies a bit, I would say between 1 and 5 seconds. Generally closer to one, occasionally longer [09:04] herman: That is really odd. [09:04] Jordan_U: That's why I'm here :-) [09:04] herman: Does pressing the power button on the box unfreeze it? [09:05] what freezes? [09:06] herman: And have you tried pinging the computer from another machine to confirm that *everything* stops when you stop pressing keys? [09:06] Hi, I have installed linux on my machine / is on the first hard drive along with /swap. on the second harddrive i have put /home which is assume is not the only thing being used for home directory storage - i now however want to use the second harddrive for windows.... is there any way i can make my /home on HDD1? do i just resize the partitions and then make a new /home on HDD1 followed by copying all the files on the home d [09:06] ir [09:06] !separatehome | tukadafoonday [09:06] tukadafoonday: Your home directory is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For moving your home directory to a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome [09:06] tukadafoonday: /home is the ONLY thing being used for home directory storage [09:08] Jordan_U: Yes the power button has the same effect. I can't try pinging at the moment since I don't have a network to plug it into. Uplugging my bluetooth dongle has the same effect as key presses. [09:08] lotuspsychje: His computer appears to not progress in any noticable way unless he presses a key on the keyboard or moves the mouse. He needs to hold a key down just to get it to boot at all. [09:09] I understand that.. If i shrink the partition on /dev/sda1 and make a /home partition there am i able to copy across the files from /dev/sdb1? [09:09] thats odd..on maverick? [09:09] sure [09:09] tukadafoonday: it's just a file syste, [09:09] system [09:10] yesterday we had a problem here too with someone having leftmouse freeze after pressing numlock [09:10] herman: Can you reproduce this with a maverick LiveCD? Does an old LiveCD (Ubuntu or any other distro) work normally still? [09:11] Jordan_U: If I boot off the previous Lucid kernel which is still available in Grub I don't see the issue. Does that answer the second part well enough? I'll have to make a mavrick live USB to try the first part. [09:12] herman: Yes, that answers it well enough, and confirms that "ubuntu-bug linux" is proabaly the best way to file the bug report. [09:14] herman: In a terminal run "while sleep 1; do date > /tmp/date.log; done" then let the computer freeze and look at the times recorded in /tmp/date.log [09:14] herman: Make that "while sleep 1; do date >> /tmp/date.log; done" [09:15] Jordan_U: I just got hold of the local wifi key. If I ping the gateway at a 0.5 second interval it never freezes :-) [09:15] herman: That's actually what I expected, since it sends a hardware interrupt. [09:17] herman: This is far out of my league but I wonder if it's actually an interrupt handler that's freezing. [09:18] Jordan_U: I disconnected the wifi and did your test. It seems to be keeping time between freezes. Ie I see 16, 35,45,50 seconds in the log and during that time I was intemittently hitting a key to wake it up. [09:18] herman: For instance it could be that you have a piece of hardware that is sending an intterrupt every few seconds that triggers an interrupt handler that goes into an infinite loop, but this loop will be terminated by another interrupt coming in. [09:19] ikonia, i understand it is a file system, though i do not know whether i can have two /home or not. The other thing that i am unsure of it how large i should make the / mount. [09:19] How is everyone here finding 10.10 anyways? [09:20] im 100% happytukadafoonday [09:20] never worked faster on 64bit [09:20] herman: Ok, so it's not a complete freeze. [09:20] The other question i should ask, Can i resize the / partition while i am in linux? Or do i need to boot from a live cd? [09:21] tukadafoonday: You need to do it from a LiveCD. [09:24] Jordan_U: I guess that depends on how the clock source works, which isn't something I know much about. [09:26] herman: When you boot, does the "freeze" seem to actually stop the progress of booting or could it be that the screen simply isn't updating? For example, if it normally takes 1 minute to boot and you don't press any key for the first 45 seconds then hold shift, does it take 15 seconds or 1 minute to finish booting? [09:28] Jordan_U: I can see there is only disk activity when I press a key during boot so I'm pretty convinced it's freezing [09:29] herman: Ok, then I have another test to try. [09:30] herman: Switch to a tty and log in, then run "while sleep 1; do date | tee -a /tmp/date.log" [09:31] herman: I want to see if the terminal is freezing in a way that causes programs to block when writing to stdout. [09:33] Jordan_U: same behaviour as before. The log file matches the output on stdout too. [09:34] herman: To confirm, the output shows that there is no gap in time during the freeze? [09:34] And there was a freeze? [09:36] Jordan_U: http://friendpaste.com/65i7f8bP10tJLk5LSYLH5J [09:37] Jordan_U: I pressed a key at 09:27:56 and control-c at 9:28:03 [09:37] herman: Ok, I misunderstood what you said before. [09:44] herman: What happens if you play audio? Does it start looping when the freeze occurs, does it stop when the freeze occurs, or does playing audo actually prevent the freezing? [09:49] herman: And when you do file a bug report could you give me a link so I can follow it? [09:53] How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? [09:54] Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)? [09:55] ok what am i missing i cant get the minimize, reduce and expand buttons to go to the right side. why? [09:57] Jordan_U: For some reason rhythmbox doesn't want to load my music library, anyway tried with ogg123. It plays for a few seconds and then gets stuck in a about a 2 sec constant loop. [10:03] herman: Can you reproduce this problem with a mainline kernel? [10:03] herman: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [10:57] Jordan_U: Launchpad won't let me log the bug. Grrrr. I'll see if I can try a mainline kernel at some point but right now I'd better go do some real work [10:57] Jordan_U: Thanks for the help. [10:59] herman: You're welcome. [11:25] How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)? [11:32] my todays maverick desktop [11:32] http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9673/screenshot3dz.png [12:22] Anybody experienced nautilus segementation faults lately on maverick? [12:22] Making the background not rendered etc. [12:22] tball, nautilus wont even launch for me [12:22] and this is with 4GB ram [12:23] so very serious bug indeed [12:23] bazhang, well glad I'm not the only one [12:24] Actually I can make my nautilus launch if I run it manually. But when gnome starts, it opens maybe 30 copies of nautilus. [12:24] tball, I'd imagine they fix this one posthaste; the only workaround I've found is to insert a usb stick, and click on it, navigating through it [12:25] yep [12:25] probably all those commands built up [12:25] yeah probably [12:25] nightmarish nonetheless [12:26] Well I was playing around with compiz and rgba windows before this happended, and have used alot time debugging it :P [12:26] But it wasn't even my fault at all :) [12:26] odd. I have compiz completely set to none. [12:27] bazhang, if I deactivate compiz my background appears again. [12:27] tball, ah okay, then a second bug [12:28] bazhang, you think? Well I though the nautilus bug was the reason for some kind of hang in gnome's start procedure, making my background disappear. [12:28] Normally my background works fine with compiz [12:29] tball, well it is still beta, so I'd imagine so. considering the disparity in our setups, it seems that would indicate at least two [12:30] you might be right [12:30] I'd better check launchpad than guess, though :) [12:33] bazhang, hmm this is quite weird. My nautilus and firefox etc is running quite fine [12:33] tball, suddenly working? [12:33] but if I open gnome preferences manager, it all crashes in segmentation faults [12:34] weird [12:34] bazhang, are you able to run gnome-settings-daemon without problems? [12:36] and now I get this error: Maximum number of clients reachedMaximum number of clients reachedError: cannot open display: :0.0 [12:36] when trying opening a new firefox [12:43] gdm broken with todays updates? shifting everthing to the right [12:43] robin0800, not for me [12:49] Anywhere I can see the updates pulled for Maverick today? [12:51] tball: software-center and then look at the history [12:52] geser, thx [12:52] I can see I have updated nautilus to 2.31.90-0ubuntu4~ppa1~maverick today [12:52] Causing all kinds of troubles :) [12:54] dmesg spamming messages, like: [ 1841.582854] nautilus[4515]: segfault at 4 ip b715cb36 sp bff8bb60 error 4 in libcairo.so.2.11000.0[b7143000+ae000] [13:02] How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)? [13:08] Anybody seen this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/637994 [13:08] Launchpad bug 637994 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus segmentation fault in libcairo.so.2" [Undecided,New] [13:34] yo, trying ubuntu as a desktop (long time debian user). wanting to run thunderbird2 which isn't in the repo. official mozilla binary of tbird2 wants libstdc++.so.5, ubuntu has libstdc++.so.6. I don't see a compat type of package in the repos === ccooke_ is now known as ccooke [13:34] other than dirty hacks, any fix? [13:34] I also added an 'ubuntuzilla' repo but it doesn't seem to list tbird2 either [13:35] thunderbird2 ? [13:35] yes, instead of 3. [13:36] ok, just checking.. [13:36] (3 is a steaming pile of slow crap in my opinion) [13:37] hm, haven't noticed much difference.. [13:37] falz: there is separate libstdc++5 package [13:43] seems to not be in normal repos [13:46] vega_: Because it's old. [13:46] falz: Why do you want to run tb2? [13:47] I need help, my video need to get nidva working right [13:48] right now res is wrong and can not get NIDVA working when instaled [13:52] How to switch the skin of Audacious from Winamp to GTK interface? Or should I better ask: How to start Audacious using the GTK interface (skin)? [13:53] jpds: exactly.. [13:53] falz: If you find TB3, try turning the global indexing off. [14:01] I wonder if Ubuntu 10.10 Beta installs by default the »Tracker« application? [14:02] bullgard4, you can remove it manually if installed [14:04] dli: You did not answer my question. [14:05] !info tracker [14:05] tracker (source: tracker): metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.17-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 694 kB, installed size 2648 kB [14:07] bazhang: The ubottu wording "is optional" means that Ubuntu 10.10 Beta does not install it by default? [14:08] bullgard4, checking my system now [14:08] bazhang, did you experience the same as me descripted in this bug report? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/637994 [14:08] Launchpad bug 637994 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautilus segmentation fault in libcairo.so.2" [Undecided,New] [14:08] cant find it [14:09] tball, something different [14:09] ahh ok [14:10] bullgard4, I cant find it here [14:10] bazhang: So may I take it that Ubuntu 10.10 Beta does not install it by default? [14:11] bullgard4, well, I cannot find it, only default here. I may be wrong, but that seems to be the case [14:12] bazhang: Thank you very much for your information. [14:12] welcome [14:12] Can I somehow "revert" all packages installed to the default ubuntu ones. [14:12] ? [14:13] tball, on the beta? [14:13] bazhang, yes sir [14:13] its not finished, so no idea what that would help tball [14:13] tball, best to ride it out, as it will a priority fix [14:13] err will be [14:14] bazhang, well I have a feeling im responsible of the bug I told you about before [14:14] tball, hah unlikely in the extreme. [14:14] they'll fix it pronto [14:14] nautilus segfaulting or just not working at all is a MAJOR bug [14:15] If my bug differentiates with your bug , my bug might not be Ubuntu's fault after all [14:15] ie critical [14:15] tball, or more than one bug [14:15] Well maybe [14:15] for sure [14:15] still a long way from final release [14:15] I guess there is ALOT of different codepaths for such an core application [14:16] Oct. 23 iirc [14:16] yes, I am aware of the risk running a beta :P [14:16] oh not that. just we will see a ton of stuff between now and then [14:17] bazhang, do you know if mesa 7.9 will make it to the final release? [14:17] at least libc seems not to have broken so far, unlike a previous release [14:17] tball, not sure sorry [14:18] I really hope so. There is a world to a difference between mesa 7.8 and 7.9 [14:20] tball: the x team is talking about 7.9 in #ubuntu-x, so I hope it will make it (they still have 2 days left to upload it..) [14:21] esp. since it seems to fix the KDE 4.5 compositing mess with intel :S [14:21] yofel, cool., I might join that channel [14:22] yofel, and enables OpenGL 2.1 for r600-r700 [14:29] If my computer hangs when shutting down, where should I look? [14:29] /var/log/syslog is empty === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [15:11] hey guys... I dont see degub symbols for compiz in the repositories [15:18] whoa I dont see any debug packages o0 [15:26] hello [15:26] how can i make ubuntu not change my system clock to gmt? [15:26] its causing problems on my other os's [15:52] hi, so 10.10 uses a TRIM-ready kernel, does that mean trim is working out of the Box on Trim-enabled SSDs or do I have to add something tot he fstab ? [15:56] votan, you'll need to add the discard mount option to your fstab [15:57] like UUID=e345454... / ext4 discard,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 ? [15:58] ok fixed using this document https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime [15:58] votan, exactly [15:58] htorque k, thx [15:58] yw :) [16:01] oh btw, is noop still preferred over others in terms of scheduler for SSDs ? === uRock is now known as uRock_away [16:24] why is ubuntu only showing 3,8gb, i have 4gb installed === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:53] yofel: which channel did i reply to you in? [16:53] lol [16:54] hehe [16:55] damn, due to retracer lag its failing to retrace my crash reports :( [17:05] So [17:05] occasionally new windows refuse to launch at all [17:05] saying "Maximum number of clients reached" [17:06] now that I'm running maverick, many of my application windows are opening maximized [17:06] further, they are maximized in such a way that the title bar of the window is beneath the panel [17:07] I think this might be to do with previous experiments w/ UNE & friends [17:12] jml: check if you still have maximus installed [17:12] yofel, it is indeed installed [17:12] yofel, removing it now, thanks. [17:19] how can i get UNE to run in vbox? only get to the purple/red screen. any ideas? [17:27] Is Maverick package-locked yet? Because some packages appear to be missing and have no equivalents in Maverick [17:29] FinalFreeze is on Thursday. [17:31] anyone running UNE in vbox? [17:32] noone? [17:35] :/ [17:35] plt-scheme (or what should be racket) appears to be missing :( [17:36] coppro: should be in universe [17:36] packages.ubuntu.com disagrees [17:37] coppro: Its listed as being published here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plt-scheme/+publishinghistory [17:38] huh [17:39] boo, it's outdated :( [17:39] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plt-scheme/+bug/635764 [17:39] Launchpad bug 635764 in plt-scheme (Ubuntu) "PLT Scheme is now Racket" [Undecided,New] [17:40] yes, I know [17:40] but that's a corollory to the fact that the version in maverick is a major version behind :( [17:45] hi i have question anyone run 10.10 without any crashes etc ? and also is it there any risk if i triple boot ubuntu 10.04 10.10 and win 7? [17:47]