[08:16] <thorwil> morning!
[08:17] <thorwil> currently on http://www.ubuntu.com/community : Artwork: Put your creativity to work by improving the look and feel of Ubuntu. Help design themes, graphics or backgrounds for the next release.
[08:17] <thorwil> ouch
[08:18] <vish> thorwil: heh! exactly what i have copy pasted in my draft!
[08:19] <thorwil> vish: why? you must be aware of the not-the-defaults issue
[08:19] <thorwil> vish: so are you working https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Artists ?
[08:20] <vish> nope not going to do the wiki..
[08:20] <vish> thorwil: nah , *i* am aware that not many get to work on defaults , but the link is misleading.. i'v been writing this mail and everytime its a tl;dr!  trying to cut it down :s
[08:21] <vish> thorwil: but we can do some work on the default too!
[08:22] <thorwil> vish: we've been there. not making clear that it's damn unlikely creates false hopes. people then show bursts of activity and once they realize it won't happen, disappear
[08:23] <vish> ++
[08:24] <vish> thorwil: one we need to be clear on what we can help.. i'm looking into places where people can help.. but i might have missed a few..
[08:25] <thorwil> vish: really don't know where a photo for that Community thing should come from. what do you think, should i offer an illustration instead, of 3 monkeys throwing poop unto a canvas? ^^
[08:26] <vish> thorwil: i'd say _do not_ fill that wiki until there is a better outline of what the team does.. lets not fool ourselves too ;)
[08:26] <thorwil> but maybe that would be too many monkeys
[08:27] <thorwil> vish: if you want an outline of what the team does, the answer is: ""
[08:27] <vish> thorwil: hence the do not fill :)
[08:29] <vish> pah! maybe i'll finally finish that mail! its been 2weeks , and every time i look at it for 5mins and get depressed ;p
[08:29] <thorwil> vish: pastebin it, so i can have a look
[08:29] <vish> thorwil: neat!
[08:31] <vish> thorwil: http://paste.ubuntu.com/493494/
[08:32] <thorwil> vish: amazing how long it took to get to the content of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork and how utterly stupid the first bullet point is
[08:32] <vish> :)
[08:33] <thorwil> as if submiiting content to the wiki would be a valuable activity in itself
[08:38] <thorwil> vish: what's the name of our theme packager?
[08:38] <vish> thorwil: that draft is a mess , with links and stuff.. not properly formated.. but just a list ..
[08:38] <vish> thorwil: Andrew SB does a lot of the theme/icon packaging
[08:38] <thorwil> vish: i'm editing it nonetheless
[08:38] <vish> sure.. :)
[09:00] <thorwil> vish: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/ICX9F6sMA243Kt2RBwEF/
[09:02] <vish> thorwil: hei! you removed the " all-wise thorwil "
[09:02]  * vish pouts!
[09:02] <thorwil> vish: would be good to expand on what does work, describing the flickr pool and countdown banners and maybe spreadubuntu (as much as it does have quality issues) as successes
[09:02] <vish> yeah.. the spreadubuntu is in another mail draft! with just links, i'm collecting.. ;
[09:03] <thorwil> then one could add a look over the fence, how artwork/design happens in fedora and maybe opensuse
[09:04] <vish> yup.. the fedora.. gnome artrequest..  there are a lot of links.. but i dont want to become a lt;dr ;p
[09:04] <vish> trying to split it up into replies/followups
[09:05] <thorwil> vish: you know, i was kindly ask to tone down the negativity after a few of my welcome messages on the list
[09:05] <vish> thorwil: yeah.. hence the main need for the  " all-wise thorwil " mention ;)
[09:05] <thorwil> vish: your tl;dr worries are linked to the lack of quality on the list ... think about it
[09:06] <vish> yeah.. i'm stuck inbetween yelling at the list and trying to motivate it into doing something ;p
[09:08] <thorwil> vish: your are no Ben, but i do think a little provocation is called for. hence explicitly proposing closure of list and team ;)
[09:08] <vish> thorwil: did Being Ben motivated anyone ? and i dont intend to be Ben either ;p  ..
[09:08] <vish> motivate*
[09:10] <thorwil> vish: that's why i say a little provocation, as opposed to saying something dumb and provocative
[09:10] <vish> thorwil: exactly! people can try and be provocative.. but does that translate to action? its tough to get it right..  i'm gathering links to show how to be productive too .. :)
[09:15] <thorwil> vish: do you intent to mention Elementary, too?
[09:16] <vish> thorwil: in what sense? Elementary has a different purpose/intent
[09:17] <thorwil> not sure
[09:18]  * vish bbiab...
[09:19] <thorwil> vish: maybe the list/team shouldn't be about starting anything, but rather be a place of contact for those who work on something related, anyway
[19:33] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/ubuntu-countdown-10-10/
[19:57] <vish> thorwil: typo "ans thus "  > and
[19:59] <thorwil> vish: fixed, thanks!
[19:59] <vish> np..
[20:01] <thorwil> vish: the funny thing about the first design is that i considered that concept in one of the earlier rounds. but i did not see a good solution on how to deal with the gaps and filling the dots, so i dropped it
[20:03] <vish> thorwil: heh, i had that idea too.. i think for last cycle! but i never got to try it :(