[08:16] morning! [08:17] currently on http://www.ubuntu.com/community : Artwork: Put your creativity to work by improving the look and feel of Ubuntu. Help design themes, graphics or backgrounds for the next release. [08:17] ouch [08:18] thorwil: heh! exactly what i have copy pasted in my draft! [08:19] vish: why? you must be aware of the not-the-defaults issue [08:19] vish: so are you working https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Artists ? [08:20] nope not going to do the wiki.. [08:20] thorwil: nah , *i* am aware that not many get to work on defaults , but the link is misleading.. i'v been writing this mail and everytime its a tl;dr! trying to cut it down :s [08:21] thorwil: but we can do some work on the default too! [08:22] vish: we've been there. not making clear that it's damn unlikely creates false hopes. people then show bursts of activity and once they realize it won't happen, disappear [08:23] ++ [08:24] thorwil: one we need to be clear on what we can help.. i'm looking into places where people can help.. but i might have missed a few.. [08:25] vish: really don't know where a photo for that Community thing should come from. what do you think, should i offer an illustration instead, of 3 monkeys throwing poop unto a canvas? ^^ [08:26] thorwil: i'd say _do not_ fill that wiki until there is a better outline of what the team does.. lets not fool ourselves too ;) [08:26] but maybe that would be too many monkeys [08:27] vish: if you want an outline of what the team does, the answer is: "" [08:27] thorwil: hence the do not fill :) [08:29] pah! maybe i'll finally finish that mail! its been 2weeks , and every time i look at it for 5mins and get depressed ;p [08:29] vish: pastebin it, so i can have a look [08:29] thorwil: neat! [08:31] thorwil: http://paste.ubuntu.com/493494/ [08:32] vish: amazing how long it took to get to the content of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork and how utterly stupid the first bullet point is [08:32] :) [08:33] as if submiiting content to the wiki would be a valuable activity in itself [08:38] vish: what's the name of our theme packager? [08:38] thorwil: that draft is a mess , with links and stuff.. not properly formated.. but just a list .. [08:38] thorwil: Andrew SB does a lot of the theme/icon packaging [08:38] vish: i'm editing it nonetheless [08:38] sure.. :) [09:00] vish: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/ICX9F6sMA243Kt2RBwEF/ [09:02] thorwil: hei! you removed the " all-wise thorwil " [09:02] * vish pouts! [09:02] vish: would be good to expand on what does work, describing the flickr pool and countdown banners and maybe spreadubuntu (as much as it does have quality issues) as successes [09:02] yeah.. the spreadubuntu is in another mail draft! with just links, i'm collecting.. ; [09:03] then one could add a look over the fence, how artwork/design happens in fedora and maybe opensuse [09:04] yup.. the fedora.. gnome artrequest.. there are a lot of links.. but i dont want to become a lt;dr ;p [09:04] trying to split it up into replies/followups [09:05] vish: you know, i was kindly ask to tone down the negativity after a few of my welcome messages on the list [09:05] thorwil: yeah.. hence the main need for the " all-wise thorwil " mention ;) [09:05] vish: your tl;dr worries are linked to the lack of quality on the list ... think about it [09:06] yeah.. i'm stuck inbetween yelling at the list and trying to motivate it into doing something ;p [09:08] vish: your are no Ben, but i do think a little provocation is called for. hence explicitly proposing closure of list and team ;) [09:08] thorwil: did Being Ben motivated anyone ? and i dont intend to be Ben either ;p .. [09:08] motivate* [09:10] vish: that's why i say a little provocation, as opposed to saying something dumb and provocative [09:10] thorwil: exactly! people can try and be provocative.. but does that translate to action? its tough to get it right.. i'm gathering links to show how to be productive too .. :) [09:15] vish: do you intent to mention Elementary, too? [09:16] thorwil: in what sense? Elementary has a different purpose/intent [09:17] not sure [09:18] * vish bbiab... [09:19] vish: maybe the list/team shouldn't be about starting anything, but rather be a place of contact for those who work on something related, anyway [19:33] http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/ubuntu-countdown-10-10/ [19:57] thorwil: typo "ans thus " > and [19:59] vish: fixed, thanks! [19:59] np.. [20:01] vish: the funny thing about the first design is that i considered that concept in one of the earlier rounds. but i did not see a good solution on how to deal with the gaps and filling the dots, so i dropped it [20:03] thorwil: heh, i had that idea too.. i think for last cycle! but i never got to try it :(