nessitakenvandine: you around?00:40
bcurtiswxwoah i got a crapload of gtkpixbuff warning on upgrade just now02:44
pittiGood morning06:34
pittiRAOF: not on that model, yes; I'm not sure about others06:35
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vishpitti: hi.. didrocks asked me to poke you about SRU for Bug #587853 , he also has another SRU bug uploaded n waiting too , iirc..07:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 587853 in cheese (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "After video recording, record/take photo button becomes disabled (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58785307:26
pittivish: I know, SRU needs some love, but I'm still in the post-holiday catchup swamp, so that still has to wait for a bit07:27
vishyea, cool.. :)07:27
pittinot that there wouldn't be two other SRU team members who could ack those :)07:27
vishi guess we just like poking you more  ;p07:28
TheMusopitti: Thats one bad thing about taking a week off, the day or more catch-up when you get back.07:38
pittiheh, yes; that, and OEM rotation07:39
pittiI didn't do a single bit of OEM stuff since yesterday, and I got heaps already07:39
* TheMuso nods.07:39
TheMusoOn another note, I have all the signs of spring here this week. Mild weather yesterday and this morning, and now, lots and lots of rain.07:40
didrocksgood morning07:49
bilalakhtargood morning didrocks !07:52
didrockshey bilalakhtar, how are you?07:53
bilalakhtardidrocks: Rocking, you?07:53
didrocksbilalakhtar: I'm fine, finishing late yesterday but apparently I still have slept enough :)07:53
glatzormorning mvo08:07
glatzormvo, I am currently investigating the lock races in aptademon, e.g. lp#62806108:10
mvobug #62806108:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 628061 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Races in the system lock (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62806108:11
glatzormvo, should I request also a lock on /var/lib/apt/lists/lock additional in the lock.SystemLock.aqcuire method?08:12
glatzor        lockfile = apt_pkg.config.find_dir("Dir::State::Lists") + "lock"08:13
glatzor        lock = apt_pkg.get_lock(lockfile)08:13
glatzorthis is what fails in apt.cache.Cache.update08:13
glatzoraptdaemon checks before running a transaction if it can get the "system" lock ("Dir::State::status" and "Dir::Cache::Archives")08:14
mvoglatzor: yes that is a bit unfortunate currently, there are really two locks08:15
glatzormvo, and releases the lock again in the if transaction starts, so that apt.Cache can take over the lock.08:15
glatzormvo, or even three locks?08:15
mvoglatzor: the dpkg lock (system lock) and the download lock (in var/lib/apt/lists08:15
glatzorand /var/cache/apt/archive08:16
mvoright, that is another download lock08:16
mvoglatzor: I think its something we need to fomalize and add some methods into libapt itself after M is out, like lock_dpkg_system, lock_lists_download, lock_archive_download08:17
glatzormvo, should I keep the lists lock all the time?08:28
mvoglatzor: hm, it should only be needed while fetching lists (i.e. update()) it is probably safe to keep it while downloading deb files too08:29
mvoglatzor: in order to help other clients to not silently updat eht elists08:30
mvoglatzor: and then suddently the downloaded version no longer match the versions in the cache08:30
glatzormvo, would also be good to add a lock arguement to apt.Cache.update and apt.Cache.commit (and _fetch_archives) to re-use an already acquired lock08:39
mvoglatzor: indeed08:39
fta2the new theme is nice and everything but i find it almost impossible to resize any window on a 1920x1024 screen :(09:06
fta21 pixel is not enough09:07
pittiI reported a bug about that a few weeks ago09:10
sorenfta2: You know about Alt-Middle_Mouse_Button, right?09:11
sorenfta2: Hold down Alt and middle click somewhere vaguely near the lower right corner of a window and start dragging, and you'll see what I mean.09:12
sorenfta2: I realise not everyone knows about this and it's an actual usability problem for lots of people, but I wanted to share this "trick" nonetheless.09:14
sorenfta2: You can move windows in the same way with Alt-Left_Click anywhere inside the window.09:15
fta2soren, yeah, thanks, there's alt+f8 too but it's not the same. i resize with the mouse, it's always by the bottom right corner, and that's just broken atm09:21
fta2annoying mostly for terminals09:21
fta2which i use a lot (xterms)09:21
sorenfta2: I've always thought the need to point at something as small as the corner of a window or even the title bar was a usability nightmare.  This approach is still very much mouse driven. I'm sure you don't use both hands to operate your mouse anyway, so using the other hand to press Alt seems effortless. It may take a few minutes of adjustment, but I've never looked back :)09:26
sorenfta2: This is no new feature, by the way. Every window manager I've ever used has supported it. It's certainly been more than a decade.09:27
fta2soren, most of the time, i'm typing with the other hand, but it's tough to hold 2 keys which are far away *and* click + drag at the same time.09:28
fta2well, resizing by the corner has been there for more than 25y, so people are used to it09:30
fta2i will probably end up hacking the theme for all my desktops if it doesn't change.  *sigh*09:32
Laneyrodrigo_: new tomboy is in experimental fyi09:38
seb128grrr, spent over an hour offline before realizing it was not internet broken but an eth cable09:46
didrockssalut seb128, ça va quand même? :)09:46
seb128oui, maintenant c'est mieux ;-)09:46
rodrigo_Laney, new tomboy? 1.3.x?09:47
seb128hey rodrigo_09:47
seb128rodrigo_, will you roll g-s-d tarballs today?09:47
rodrigo_hi seb128!09:47
rodrigo_seb128, just rolled g-s-d one a moment ago09:47
rodrigo_seb128, g-c-c coming soon09:47
mptGood morning kiwinote, mvo09:47
seb128I wanted to get a change in09:47
kiwinotemorning mpt09:47
Laneyrodrigo_: yes 1.3.309:48
rodrigo_seb128, ah, send it, I can do another release, if it's too good :)09:48
rodrigo_seb128, if not, it'll be in next release09:48
rodrigo_Laney, ok09:48
seb128rodrigo_, it's just changing /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/xrandr/turn_on_external_monitors_at_startup to true09:48
seb128by default in the schemas09:48
rodrigo_seb128, ah09:48
seb128not worth another release but we agree on that with federico and I said I would commit to gnome-2-32 and trunk09:48
rodrigo_seb128, yeah, no new release, but commit it please09:49
seb128without that you can get configs where you get no screen on when docked09:49
seb128ok I will09:49
rodrigo_ok, thanks09:49
seb128thank you09:52
mvohello mpt09:52
seb128ok, restart after update, brb09:53
mvokiwinote: good morning, I just merged a bunch of your fixes, is there more coming? I wnat to do another upload soon and want to include all your goodness :)09:53
kiwinotemvo: thanks, if you've merged the latest version of my branch (lp has updated yet, so I can't see atm), then you've got the latest goodness09:55
mvogreat, thanks kiwinote09:56
kiwinotemvo: trunk seems to be in a good shape, so a release would be a good idea09:56
mvoI was thinking the same, there will be more before final freeze I'm sure, but it seems this is a good time09:56
mvokiwinote: heh :) just got the latest crash-fix, I prepare a upload now09:57
kiwinotehehe, thanks :)09:57
mvokiwinote: nice fix (and silly error in the code :)09:57
chrisccoulsonhi james_w - have you seen an issue like bug 637608 before?09:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 637608 in bzr (Ubuntu) "bzr crashed with ErrorFromSmartServer in _translate_error() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63760809:57
chrisccoulsonit happens only on 1 branch09:58
mptmvo, kiwinote, any specific testing or anything else you need from me today? Otherwise I'll be doing more triage and stress-testing the purchase stuff09:58
kiwinotempt: not in particular, your bug reports and triaging is a great help!10:00
fta2slomo, hi, will you put libvpx 0.9.2 in maverick?10:10
slomofta2: would be a good idea, yes10:11
slomofta2: is it in main or universe?10:12
fta2slomo, main10:14
fta2well, at least i think so10:14
fta2!info libvpx0 maverick10:15
ubot2fta2: libvpx0 (source: libvpx): VP8 video codec (shared library). In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.1-1 (maverick), package size 207 kB, installed size 588 kB10:15
fta2yep, main10:15
didrockspitti: hey, do you want me to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~umang/python-distutils-extra/587538-no-changelog/+merge/30919 or do you want to do it? (just need to know if I should or not take the other part in today's Quickly release)10:17
pittididrocks: oh, please do; this guy already has submitted a few good patches10:18
didrockspitti: sure, you will be able to make a new release for maverick then?10:19
pittiyes, just tell me when to do an upload (sid/sync to maverick)10:19
didrocksthanks pitti :)10:20
* pitti hugs didrocks10:20
* didrocks hugs pitti10:20
didrocksgood luck with catching up :)10:20
brycehdidrocks, could you let me know if/when you receive the computer i sent you?10:20
didrocksbryceh: I received it last week, thanks! All went well and I resintalled/tested it :) (didn't you receive my mp?)10:21
brycehdidrocks, ok.  no, I didn't receive it10:21
slomofta2: ok, well, if you have the time to get it updated... it's definitely a good idea to do so10:25
fta2slomo, what's left to be done? you already have it in the gst ppa (and i have it in the 4 chromium ppas, it's working just fine)10:26
slomofta2: no idea, ask someone who knows the ubuntu procedures better than me :)10:27
slomothe package is ready, if anything is left it's paperwork10:27
fta2didrocks, ^^10:27
didrocksfta2: can you summarize quicky please? I didn't follow the conversation, it's a new package/feature?10:28
fta2didrocks, libvpx 0.9.1 -> 0.9.2 bump, lots of performance improvements, welcomed for chromium for the video codecs (WebM)10:30
didrocksfta2: are there new features or just bugfix?10:30
slomoand bugfixes, including some rather important ones10:30
slomois a performance improvement a bugfix or a new feature? ;)10:30
fta2didrocks, and it's been tested for at least a week without issues10:30
didrocksslomo: I wouldn't say a feature ;)10:31
didrocksif it's that, you just can sync from experimental10:31
didrocksfta2: requestsync10:31
didrocksno paperwork needed apart from describing in the bug why you want it to get synced10:31
fta2ok. never used that tool but i will learn ;)   usually, i file bugs manually10:33
didrocksfta2: this tool is good, subscribing everyone's needed and such :)10:34
fta2oh, dupe. bug 63689410:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 636894 in libvpx (Ubuntu) "please sync libvpx 0.9.2-1 from debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63689410:38
fta2good tool indeed :)10:38
didrockspitti: you should be able to release p-d-e in fact, every pieces needed from my perspective has already landed. And I see nothing more is waiting on that :)10:43
pittididrocks: you merged that branch?10:43
didrockspitti: it was already merged. For some unknown reason, launchpad is just showing "needs approval" in bug report even if the branch is merged10:44
didrockspitti: (just because nobody comment and approved it, just merging)10:44
* didrocks should open a low priority bug on that10:44
didrocksfta2: yeah, but the bug isn't subscribing the right team (ubuntu archive admin) and follow the process (copying the debian/changelog)10:45
pittiseems seb128's desktop restart didn't go very well..10:45
didrocksyeah… not his day. That + broken cable :(10:47
pittididrocks: uploaded10:53
didrockspitti: thanks a lot10:54
* didrocks hugs pitti10:54
ogradidrocks, does anyone apart from arm still use go-home ?11:00
didrocksogra: on maverick? You are alone I guess :)11:00
ograso it wouldnt matter if i modified the hardcoded shell calls from netbook-launcher to netbook-launcher-efl ?11:01
ogra(in the go-home code)11:01
ograwe currently dont get favorites added, nor does the show-desktop feature work11:01
ogra(since we dont ship netbook-launcher at all)11:02
didrocksogra: no, I think that can close some bugs there11:02
didrocksogra: thanks :) if you need some rights to roll a tarball, do not hesitate11:02
ograi guess -efl needs to grow a feature to add favorites then :)11:02
didrocksogra: I think you will need it, right ;)11:03
ogragreat, something to do for our contractor11:03
ogra(we have someone for the efl stuff now)11:03
didrocksawesome! :)11:06
sorenfta2: You type /while/ you're resizing windows? Wow, that's efficient :) Also, it's just one key you need to hold. The rest is with the mouse.11:13
seb128ok it was not the cable, some extra changes later let's see if it works...11:20
seb128so how are things going?11:21
pittiwb seb12811:21
mvosoren: a quick question, it looks like python-vm-builder is now outputing a random filename, that used to be disk0 - is that intentional?11:21
seb128hey pitti11:21
pittiseb128: FYI, I fixed the ProcMaps error in the retracer, and restarted11:21
seb128pitti, so retracer crashed again?11:21
seb128there was a procmaps error?11:21
seb128I will spend some time on the retracing code after my holidays I think11:22
seb128we can probably teach them to just untag bugs with invalid descriptions11:22
pittian exception on parsing empty lines, which seemed to have happened quite a lot recently11:22
seb128like missing fields11:22
seb128rather than crashing11:22
dpmhi pitti, I'm not sure if you saw the ping yesterday. May I ask you to have a look why the maverick language packs are not being generated?11:23
didrocksseb128: taking empathy (letting g-s-d on the side on purpose as you told you wanted an additional patch)11:24
seb128didrocks, oh feel free to do g-s-d11:24
seb128didrocks, the patch is a gconf value change that I put in the .gconf-defaults already for us11:25
didrocksno need to distro-patch it?11:25
didrocksdoing both then11:25
pitti-rw-r--r--  1 langpack langpack  67231814 2010-09-07 00:09 +latest-delta-language-pack11:25
pittithat looks wrong, hang on11:25
pittidpm: seems something changed on the LP side wrt. filename handling there11:27
dpmpitti, do you know what exactly? I don't know what the expected naming was11:28
dpmand afaik the LP devs haven't changed anything on that area recently, so it might be a bug.11:29
pittidpm: fixed in bzr, and rolled out11:29
pittiso the next one should work11:29
dpmok, so considering the next export is today and the building happens tomorrow, I guess we should have some langpacks by the end of tomorrow/ Thursday11:30
dpmthanks a lot pitti11:31
pittithe update pack is quite large, 400 MB11:31
pittiI really don't understand why they grow so uch11:31
pittiit's certainly not translators going all wild11:31
pittiit's 2/3 of a full size11:31
pittiI guess there's a lot of actually unchanged data in there11:31
dpmhm, I'm not sure what it could be11:35
bilalakhtarseb128: 4:30 hours left for the meeting! sorry for the repeated ping, should I go ahead without yours?11:36
seb128bilalakhtar, yes go without me, I'm away start later today and tried to finish work stack before11:37
seb128bilalakhtar, how many people wrote on your wikipage?11:38
bilalakhtarseb128: np :( I understand, you're busy with desktop work, the final freeze is getting closer11:38
bilalakhtarseb128: 4 endorsements, 1 comment11:38
seb128bilalakhtar, ok, I will try to write something after lunch11:40
seb128but it seems the feedback you got is already enough11:40
bilalakhtarseb128: hmm, your wish11:41
* bilalakhtar aims for ubuntu-desktop after motu11:41
didrocksbilalakhtar: great to see people interested there ;) we definitely need some help on updates (particularly things in universe first like anjuta and such)11:44
Laneymmm universe11:45
bilalakhtardidrocks: I have done 3 desktop upgrades in universe, you may ask tumbleweed11:46
bilalakhtarpackages: hamster-applet, sound-juicer, bug-buddy11:46
bilalakhtarnot hamster-applet11:46
seb128speaking of anjuta there is an update for the new serie almost ready in bzr if somebody wants to pick it up, the new version should fix the build...11:46
* bilalakhtar will look at anjuta later today11:47
didrocksbilalakhtar: great ;)11:47
bilalakhtarthanks didrocks !11:47
didrocksthanks to you :)11:47
bilalakhtardidrocks: you're welcome :D11:47
seb128would be nice to package atkmm also if somebody wants to do it11:47
seb128it blocks gtkmm updates11:47
seb128it's a new source11:48
bilalakhtarnew source package means debian, right?11:48
seb128ideally yes11:48
seb128but no need to block on them to upload11:48
Laneyare they preparing it?11:48
* bilalakhtar has 5 pending uploads in debian11:48
Laneyi'd coordinate with #debian-gnome11:48
seb128ok I need to run, having lunch outside11:48
bilalakhtarbye seb12811:48
fta2didrocks, done11:55
didrocksfta2: thanks!11:55
didrockssession restart11:58
didrocksmvo: I think the plugin system is broken with current USC, known issue?12:08
didrocks(get an assert on self.notebook_view.set_current_page(page_id) when clicking on an added item on GTK_WIDGET_ANCHORED (widget) || GTK_IS_INVISIBLE (widget) -> widget/window and such isn't referenced anymore it seems). I'll have a look next week if needed12:11
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mvodidrocks: next week ,) ? woah12:30
mvodidrocks: I check it out12:30
didrocksmvo: yeah, I'm not there tomorrow and on Thursday12:30
didrocksmvo: today, new GNOME + unity + quickly release and some stuff before final freeze12:31
didrocksmvo: and I think the backlog on Friday can't be neglicted :)12:31
didrocks(moving away from Paris + work isn't a great mix ;))12:31
didrocksmvo: no hurry in any case. I think people won't notice it until then :-)12:32
didrocksmvo: I think the issue is on my side (oneconf), I keep notebook_view reference and maybe you're trashing it now, let me try to get it by another mean12:33
mvodidrocks: ok, not sure, I can have a look, but for me I still have no sync in oneconf12:34
didrocksmvo: same for me, still having my faking data to another computer to get it shown…12:35
didrockshence it's low priority I think12:35
nessitagood morning!12:41
didrockshey nessita!12:42
nessitahow are you didrocks?12:42
didrocksnessita: I'm fine thanks, and you, how are you?12:42
nessitaI'm very good, thanks for asking!12:44
nessitadidrocks: is seb around? (don't see his nick)13:05
didrocksnessita: he is getting some lunch out, do you need some help?13:06
nessitadidrocks: no hurries, but I asked him yesterday to sponsor a new release of ussoc, and I think he may forgot about it13:06
didrocksnessita: ok, ping him when he's back then, not sure if he began reviewing it13:07
nessitadidrocks: yes, I will. Thanks!13:07
didrocksyou're welcome13:07
chrisccoulsonhmmm, doing a bisect with firefox may take me a little while :/13:08
asacmvo: so the bug with the gnome proxy setting is that if you set any "exception" it will create a no_proxy=..., (ending with a ',') ... this will bust everything ;)13:09
asacbut besides, yes the sudo is the problem with resetting the proxy envs. do you know why that wasnt fixed? are there concerns about propagating proxy settings through sudo?13:10
cyphermoxgood morning!13:12
asachi cyphermox !!13:12
mvoasac: security concerns, pitti knows the details13:12
asacmvo: right. thats what i thought13:12
asacno_proxy is still broken though ;)13:12
mvofrom a usability standpoint its still not ideal13:12
mvoasac: sounds like a bug for seb128 - iz gtk13:13
cyphermoxasac, I'll be very interested when the proxy settings is clarified, this kept being an issue in certification :)13:13
asackk ... will check if its still existing in maverick ... saw it in lucid last week13:13
asaccyphermox: so in #nm i was asked to update mobile-broadband-provider database to the latest13:14
asacnot sure if you plan to roll an update this cycle again13:14
asacmaybe it was just about ppas though13:14
cyphermoxasac: yes, this is planned13:14
asackk ... thursday is final freeze13:14
cyphermoxI spoke to coolbhavi already about it (debian maintainer) to update both debian and ubuntu13:15
LaneyI acked a sync for that, but I just realised that it's in main and I shouldn't have13:15
Laneybug 63682213:15
asacLaney: where is the bug?13:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 636822 in mobile-broadband-provider-info (Ubuntu) "Please sync mobile-broadband-provider-info 20100910-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main). (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63682213:15
asacah good13:15
asaccyphermox: is sync ok? i can ack it then13:15
cyphermoxwell, yes it is :)13:15
asaccyphermox: is that in our package set? e.g. you should be able to ack it too, right?=13:16
asacacked anyway13:16
cyphermoxI don't know.. couldn't recall, so I checked the list on my wiki page but it s not there, so I'd say it isn't in the set13:16
asacheh ... lets get it added then ;)13:16
asacthis is the least intrusive package :-P13:16
asacanyway ... this cycle we should be fine now13:17
cyphermoxwell, let's see... I think there may have been more updates required in bugs, but 09-10 is pretty close to what I wanted to upload13:17
asacyeah. ... we have a standing SRU exception for that ... so updates close to release shoujld be fine (at best before RC)13:18
cyphermoxok, 09-10 is the latest is could be, so it's all good13:18
cyphermoxasac: I didn't know about that. I was thinking about making sure we update m-b-p-i regularly as SRUs as well13:18
cyphermoxmaybe something like every 3 months?13:18
asacmvo: ok fyi, the no_proxy bug is fixed in maverick (e.g. no , appended anymore)13:20
asaccyphermox: we have a standing freeze exception ... the proposed timeline was every 4 week or so13:20
asaccyphermox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#mobile-broadband-provider-info13:20
cyphermoxasac, cool, I wasn't aware of that13:20
asacnow you are ;)13:21
asacjust refer on updates to that link13:21
cyphermoxasac, has this ever been actually done? :)13:21
asaccyphermox: i think in hardy where we introduced this ... when wellark was still active13:21
asacin the beginning lots of providers were missing and wrong etc.13:21
asacbut long ago if at all ;)13:22
cyphermoxthey still change a lot... I can already think of one missing for over here, since it's brand now13:22
nessitaseb128: good mornnig/afternoon :-) May I ask about the sponsorship for ussoc 1.0.0?13:39
seb128hey nessita13:39
seb128oh, I totally forgot about that yesterday13:39
nessitaseb128: no problem, I'll forgive you :-P13:40
nessitaseb128: want/need the link again?13:41
seb128nessita, no that's ok13:43
didrocksseb128: hey/re is there any particular reason why gnome-applets isn't updated in maverick? (didn't begin the update because of that)13:46
seb128didrocks, it goes with the new gnome-panel13:51
seb128the one ported to dbus13:51
seb128we didn't go for it because we were not sure it would use gsettings and by the time it was sorted it was late13:51
seb128we decided it what not worth upgrading since it would make no visibile difference out of new bugs13:51
seb128we still have bonobo and gconf anyway13:51
didrocksseb128: ok, that's why I was inferring, thanks for confirming :)13:52
didrocksI let gtk alone into your hands ;)13:52
chrisccoulsonhi seb128 - i think you said last week that there was still some valgrind errors related to bug 630239, but i can't recreate it13:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 630239 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gkbd_keyboard_drawing_new_dialog() (affects: 47) (dups: 2) (heat: 210)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63023913:55
chrisccoulsonwas there any specific step to recreate it?13:55
seb128chrisccoulson, do you have the indicator showing? ie several layouts?13:55
seb128hey btw ;-)13:55
slomoseb128: fwiw, i'll update gtk 2.21 in experimental later today... but i don't think there are many changes necessary anyway13:55
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i tried that13:55
chrisccoulsonand i tried switching layouts a few times too13:55
didrocksseb128: taking gnome-menus/libwnck13:56
seb128slomo, ok thanks13:56
seb128didrocks, thanks13:56
didrocksyou're welcome13:57
seb128didrocks, you might have to revert gir update commit, didn't check13:57
seb128didrocks, I can do the libwnck if you want13:57
seb128but if you want to do it I will not stop you13:57
seb128just let me know if you have other things to do13:57
seb128I can handle some updates as well13:57
didrocksseb128: please, do the libwnck :)13:57
seb128didrocks, ok, want me to do gnome-menus as well?13:57
seb128I didn't do any update yet today so I can do those13:57
seb128it would let you do a break or something else13:58
didrocksseb128: I can do it, no worry13:58
seb128chrisccoulson, no, I just get invalid read on start there13:58
seb128chrisccoulson, using french, french alternative and usa layouts13:58
chrisccoulsonseb128 - in the keyboard plugin?13:58
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks, i'll try again. perhaps i should start g-s-d with multiple layouts already13:59
seb128yeah, try that13:59
seb128didrocks, I will do gnome-desktop as well13:59
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didrocksseb128: great, seems that we need to be a little more touchy on that one for gtk2/gtk3 but the note in NEWS seems to explain it :)14:00
seb128you're welcome14:01
seb128dpm, hi14:01
seb128the application place view issue is a corner case14:01
seb128 if the mo file doesn't exist the setlocale() call fails14:01
seb128 so it will not use the .desktop translations14:01
seb128 we need the mo to be on disk for the locale to have translation init working14:01
seb128 even if we don't use any string from the mo file14:01
seb128 that will be autosolved on the next langpack update14:01
seb128dpm, that's about the unity places applications view bug14:01
dpmseb128, yes, but in my case the .mo files are on disk14:02
dpmoh, I see.14:02
dpmyou mean the unity-place-applications.mo file14:02
dpmright, right14:03
seb128just cp any mo to it14:03
seb128it doesn't need a content14:03
seb128just that to be a mo file14:03
seb128speaking of which how come we didn't get any lanpack updates for 3 weeks?14:03
seb128dpm, if you try let me know how it goes14:06
dpmseb128, they were disabled for the beta freeze, I tried to enable them with the help of a sysadmin last week while pitti was on holiday (I've no permissions on the langpack server), but apparently there was a problem picking up the LP translations tarball which did not allow them to be generated. He's just adapted langpack-o-matic this morning to cater for that, and I assume we'll have new language packs by Wed/Thu14:07
seb128dpm, ok thanks14:07
dpmI'll try the .mo trick on unity later on14:08
seb128dpm, you can run unity under GNOME for testing14:09
seb128just mentioning it in case you didn't know14:09
dpmI didn't know, thanks14:10
seb128dpm, or unity -p14:10
dpmnice, I'll give that a go later14:10
seb128you might need that though14:10
seb128ie CLUTTER_VLBANK=none unity -p14:10
seb128sorry typo ;-)14:11
dpmnp, got it14:11
dpmseb128, do you think someone from the desktop team could have a look at bug 630924? I'm not sure if I should talk to you guys (if it's language-selector's fault) or to ev for ubiquity, but the fact is that new installs now end up always without language packs installed14:13
ubot2Launchpad bug 630924 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "Language packs are not downloaded during installation (affects: 4) (heat: 16)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63092414:13
seb128dpm, what image did you try?14:14
seb128dpm, mvo fixed that after beta14:14
seb128oh you said the fix didn't solve the issue14:15
lucidfoxI wonder... Of course I can look at the code, but how are the buttons for the software-center package list implemented? Are they custom cell renderers?14:15
dpmseb128, I tried the desktop image. Yeah, I thought that was fixed as well, and installing language packs afterwards manually now works, but the automatic install process still fails14:15
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seb128is anybody here having nautilus broken today?14:25
seb128lucidfox, you might want to ask mvo about that14:26
pedro_seb128, works fine for me14:26
seb128he probably can point you to the corresponding part of the code14:26
lucidfoxNautilus broken?14:26
seb128pedro_, thanks14:26
seb128lucidfox, no, software-center ;-)14:26
seb128pedro_, bug #63770414:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 637704 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus not starting (affects: 8) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63770414:26
lucidfoxAh, that happens to me sometimes14:27
sorenmvo: Not intentional, no.14:27
lucidfoxI just get a black screen14:27
lucidfoxas opposed to a white screen obscuring my wallpaper when Nautilus is running, most of the time14:27
lucidfoxreally I've been having quite a few annoying problems with X14:27
lucidfoxin Maverick14:28
seb128lucidfox, it's probably different, that one is about nautilus not working when opening a place either14:28
lucidfoxFor me, it presents a black screen, and when trying to open a folder, all I get is the busy cursor14:28
lucidfoxI think it's connected to the "Maximum number of clients reached" error that I also get occasionally14:29
mvolucidfox: custom-cell-renederrs in python14:29
lucidfoxAlso, right click often generates spurious extra clicks, and file dialogs are popped up indefinitely when choosing file open actions from the global menu14:29
lucidfoxmvo> How do you copy the appearance of a GtkButton?14:30
mvolucidfox: (in response to the earlier question)14:30
pedro_seb128, already commented on it, looks like another 'i didn't restarted the pc' kind of thing14:30
seb128pedro_, you are right it seems ;-)14:31
pedro_my crystal ball is working again \o/14:31
pedro_now i just need the lottery numbers14:32
lucidfoxhttp://homepc.lucidfox.org/pics/whitescreen.png <-- this, for example, is my desktop right now, even though I have a wallpaper selected14:32
lucidfoxI briefly see it until the Nautilus desktop loads14:32
seb128pedro_, ;-)14:33
mvolucidfox: nzmm did most of the work on this, but its really "just" a lot of drawing, no magic (unfortunately). plus poking at the used theme14:33
lucidfoxI was expecting to hear something about GtkOffscreenWindow...14:34
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i had the issue with nautilus after upgrading it, but it works after a restart14:35
chrisccoulsoni assume its just because the new version uses libunique again14:35
seb128I will not bother since that was an unstable maverick thing only14:36
chrisccoulsonyeah, it doesn't seem like a real issue14:36
pittiseb128: hm, seems gsd is still breaking xrandr somehow -- gdm is at 1024x768 for me now14:39
pittiKMS and X are at 1280x1024 for me usually14:39
pittiand I had that with 2.31.514:39
pittifor you as well?14:39
seb128pitti, is 1024x768 your laptop screen resolution?14:39
pittino, that's 1280x80014:39
seb128I don't have this issue I think14:40
seb128at least I've the same resolution than under luxi14:40
seb128which is not the monitor one14:40
pittiok, I'll debug that then14:40
seb128but I think it just set the config in mirror14:40
seb128pitti, touch ~∕gsd-debug-randr14:41
seb128pitti, and update to today's update14:41
seb128pitti, the new code has debugging logging14:41
seb128it will write a gsd-debug-randr.log14:41
seb128with some debug informations14:41
seb128if you have ~∕gsd-debug-randr14:41
seb128well for gdm do it in /var/lib/gdm14:42
pittiwhat a strange way to enable debugging :)14:42
seb128well it's easier than having to set some environment14:42
pitti(it could have been at least the log file itself, not an extra stamp file)14:42
pittianyway, thanks for the hint14:42
seb128you're welcome14:42
didrocksseb128: how did you knew that? It's just a one line in the changelog and I just found it because I was explicitely looking at it… but without doing the update, you know that14:45
* didrocks is still amazed14:45
* didrocks checks again, no, there is no webcam around me :)14:45
seb128didrocks, I've it on my disk since friday14:45
seb128I did a git build only to get that14:45
seb128to debug the "external screen is not on when lid close"14:45
seb128with federico14:45
didrocksseb128: oh, that makes sense then :)14:45
seb128didrocks, ie the gconf key change I mentioned early today14:46
seb128I should not have said that14:46
didrocksseb128: yeah, I remember you having troubles with that… :-)14:46
seb128didrocks, you still have some work to do to catch up with me it seems ;-)14:46
didrocksseb128: ahah, right :-)14:47
seb128sorry :p14:47
didrocksseb128: to ensure I'm not spied, I'm even moving from Paris, you see!14:47
seb128I'm wondering what you will do next14:47
seb128when you notice I can spy on you in Lyon :p14:47
didrockshehe ;)14:47
seb128nessita, ok, uploaded this time14:49
nessitaseb128: ueeeee!14:50
nessitaseb128: thanks14:50
seb128nessita, you're welcome, sorry for forgetting yesteryda14:50
nessitano problem14:50
nessitaas long as it lands before than the final freeze, we're ok :-)14:50
GrueMasterI didn't see any response to my  earlier post so I will repeat it again.  Is there a reason not to build an amd64 version of UNE iso?  I am running everything here on my Acer Aspire One 532h and it looks great so far.15:02
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cyphermoxGrueMaster, have you been having issues with maximizing? I did it for mahjongg last night on my netbook, it disappeared and couldn't ever start it again :P15:05
GrueMasterLooks like I can reproduce it here.15:07
kenvandinecyphermox, i have the same problem15:07
kenvandinewith gnome-terminal15:07
GrueMasterIs this an arch specific issue (i.e. only on amd64)??15:07
kenvandineit is being worked on15:07
cyphermoxkenvandine, GrueMaster did either of you report it? I admit I didn't15:07
cyphermoxah ok15:08
cyphermoxGrueMaster, no, not arch specific... my netbook is standard atom proc15:08
kenvandinei didn't... but in the course of debugging it found out it is being worked on right now15:08
GrueMasterI just reimaged yesterday.  Had to install desktop and then pull in UNE.15:08
pittiseb128: *relieved sigh* seems the retracers are finally happy now15:08
seb128pitti, great!15:08
seb128pitti, thanks for sorting the extra issues15:09
GrueMastercyphermox: So is mine.  Check yours to see if you can run amd64.15:09
GrueMasterMine is an N45015:09
pittiseb128: I only monkey-patched it in the chroot, but I'll do a proper upload soon15:09
kenvandinei am running it on amd64 just fine15:09
seb128pitti, btw what broken the langpack build?15:09
kenvandinebut of course installed desktop and une stuff on top15:09
seb128is that another launchpad behaviour which is different since the update?15:09
seb128the path changed or something?15:09
pittiseb128: wget https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/${release%-*}/+latest-delta-language-pack used to save a file with the real name (i. e. with redirection), e. g. ubuntu-lucid-translations-update.tar.gz (or similar)15:10
pittiseb128: but due to a LP change it suddenly was stored as literally "+latest-delta-language-pack"15:10
GrueMasterOk, new issue.  When I launched mahjongg here, it was in a window.  Maximizing it killed it.  Rerunning it now comes up maximized.15:10
cyphermoxGrueMaster, thx, I'll take a look tonight15:11
pittiseb128: I added an explicit -O to the wget now15:11
dpmpitti, I'll ask danilo about this when I catch up with him15:11
cyphermoxGrueMaster, and maximizing it just disappears, no?15:11
pittidpm: well, not a biggie; this way it's much safer anyway15:11
cyphermoxGrueMaster, this bothered me a bit, I wanted to play and reproduce another bug I thought I had found :)15:11
GrueMasterIt is now running maximized.  Minimizing it appears to kill it.15:12
dpmpitti, yeah, but it'd be good to know what happened there. I'll let you know if I find out more.15:12
GrueMasterOh, nevermind.15:12
GrueMasterI'm not used to unity yet.15:12
seb128pitti, seems we really need a sort of testsuite launchpad guys run before rolling uptodate to make sure they don't break what we use15:13
GrueMaster(spend most of my testing time on arm which is netbook-launcher-efl based)15:13
pittiseb128: right, that was the point of fixing apport's15:13
GrueMasterOk, I can now reduce it to window and maximize it fine.15:13
pittiseb128: trunk now by and large works again, just three test cases fail (with that very error about not being able to access attachments)15:13
pittiseb128: I think Diogo plans to run that routinely from now on15:14
seb128ok great15:14
kklimondaseb128: any idea what to do about bug 626379? upstream hasn't responded yet and I've managed to reproduce the crash in vm. Is it fine to defer it for some more time?15:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 626379 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch() (affects: 3) (heat: 255)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62637915:15
seb128rodrigo_, ^15:17
seb128rodrigo_, it's a gsd crash workaround, what do you think?15:17
james_wchrisccoulson: yes, the one that it is a duplicate of :-)15:19
james_wchrisccoulson: seriously though, I've never seen that, but there seem to be a couple of suggested workarounds15:19
chrisccoulsonjames_w - just branching to a new location worked15:20
chrisccoulsoni can even push to the old location15:20
dpmseb128, ok, the empty .mo file trick worked on unity-place-applications. We should be good when we get the language pack. Thanks for investigating it15:20
james_wit's an odd one15:20
seb128dpm, you're welcome15:20
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, hard to tell, it says it's crashing in clipboard plugin15:21
seb128rodrigo_, there is a patch in the bug15:21
rodrigo_ah, sorry, didn't see it15:21
seb128it's a workaround to avoid the crash rather than a fix though15:21
kklimondaseb128: rodrigo_: I'm not sure what is the good fix for this one - we could check earlier whether nitems equals 0 and return but I'm not sure why does nitems equals 0 at all. documentation for XGetWindowProperty doesn't make it clean whether it can return 0 items.15:24
kklimonda(and still set return_type to the expected type)15:24
rodrigo_kklimonda, yeah15:25
rodrigo_so, the crash is when accessing conversions->next?15:26
kklimondarodrigo_: yes - because nitems is 0 the earlier loop doesn't evaluate at all and conversions is NULL15:27
rodrigo_I guess the patch is ok then, there's always something in the clipboard when user has copy/cut, until some other content is cut/copied15:28
rodrigo_XGetWindowProperty shouldn't return 0 though, I guess15:29
rodrigo_kklimonda, although, I guess we could check for nitems after calling XGetWindowProperty15:31
seb128chrisccoulson, you can reassign the g-s-d keyboard crash to karl-qdh if you want15:31
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm just aobut to have a look at that again now15:31
seb128chrisccoulson, he did the port to appindicator as a contractor and seems he got some extra contracting time15:32
seb128so as you want15:32
chrisccoulsoni'm blocked on mozilla now for my other bugs anyway, so i can work on other desktop stuff instead15:32
seb128chrisccoulson, if you want to pick another bug feel free15:32
chrisccoulsonyeah, sure. i'll have a look in a bit15:32
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks15:33
rodrigo_kklimonda, and return there if it's == 015:33
bilalakhtarseb128: :| Thanks for the interest, btw!15:34
seb128bilalakhtar, ?15:35
kklimondarodrigo_: yes, that will also work - I've done it this way because at the time it felt right to scream "something is wrong" instead of just returning.15:35
bilalakhtarseb128: interest in endorsement...15:35
seb128bilalakhtar, when is the meeting?15:35
rodrigo_kklimonda, right, but I guess it's better to check the value from XGetWindowProperty and just not continuing if the data is wrong, as it does with the:15:35
bilalakhtarseb128: half-an hour from now15:35
rodrigo_if (type != XA_ATOM_PAIR)15:36
rodrigo_                        return;15:36
seb128bilalakhtar, I will just join the IRC channel15:36
rodrigo_kklimonda, even though it explicitly asks for XA_ATOM_PAIR15:36
seb128I'm a bit busy to write on the wiki but I can comment on IRC15:36
kklimondarodrigo_: maybe it makes sense to check whether XGetWindowProperty returns Success? Maybe it fails.. and sets up part of values.. which doesn't make sense.15:36
bilalakhtarThanks seb128!15:36
seb128you're welcome15:36
rodrigo_kklimonda, ah, right15:36
lucidfoxwait wait wait... GSD directly uses the Xlib API?15:38
* lucidfox headwalls15:38
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didrockspitti: can I get a FFe for Quickly, please? (bug #638130)16:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 638130 in quickly (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Quickly 0.6 in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63813016:17
kklimondarodrigo_: hmm.. XGetWindowProperty returns 0 which is, afaik, success ;)16:22
kklimondaand then g-s-d crashes16:22
rodrigo_kklimonda, yes, so seems a bug on it, so worth checking the values16:22
kklimondarodrigo_: ok, I'll check whether nitems == 0 and return (freeing multiple which is being allocated) if it's true16:23
rodrigo_kklimonda, ok16:23
chrisccoulsonwow, my laptop has pretty much ran out of disk space16:44
bilalakhtarseb128: Still there, right? The meeting just began, around 2 hours late16:56
bilalakhtarseb128: I will poke you when my item comes closer, right now its far ahead16:56
seb128I'm around16:57
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pittichrisccoulson: too many chromium/xul builds?17:19
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, i think so. i keep trying to free up what i can, but it just fills back up again17:20
chrisccoulsonand it's happening more and more frequently now17:20
chrisccoulsoni think i need to get a bigger disk17:20
chrisccoulsonand more RAM17:20
pittido you keep so many built trees around?17:21
bilalakhtarseb128: My item began!17:21
chrisccoulsonpitti - i keep a built tree of firefox around for each branch. doing a full build every time i do something is seriously painful17:21
chrisccoulsoni literally can't do anything else on my laptop for an hour17:22
kklimondachrisccoulson: unless you don't have to worry that it will fry because of compiling too much stuff ;)17:24
kklimondaat least*17:24
seb128oh, meeting time17:30
kenvandineugh... i totally forgot it was friday :)17:31
* pedro_ waves17:31
seb128didrocks, chrisccoulson, tremolux, Riddell, cyphermox, tkamppeter, kenvandine17:31
seb128pedro_, hello17:31
seb128kenvandine, because it's not?17:31
seb128kenvandine, it's thursday17:31
* seb128 hands a calendar to kenvandine17:32
kenvandineseb128, i just now uploaded the fix for empathy and notifications :)17:32
cyphermoxhi :)17:32
seb128how is everybody doing?17:32
seb128kenvandine, great!17:32
kenvandinedamn.... i didn't prepare the partner update :/17:33
seb128kenvandine, lol, well you have an excuse you fixed empath17:33
seb128chrisccoulson, hey!17:33
kenvandineand almost fixed vino :)17:33
seb128kenvandine, ok, work on it we will do other updates first17:33
kenvandinedidn't upload that yet though...17:33
seb128ok, let's get started17:33
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, sorry, my laptop just crashed hard17:33
seb128not outstanding actions I think17:34
seb128let's start by welcoming cyphermox17:34
seb128he's joining our team to be the "second chrisccoulson"17:34
chrisccoulsonheh :)17:34
didrockswelcome cyphermox!17:34
tremoluxwelcome cyphermox!17:34
seb128well in practice chrisccoulson will do browsers17:34
pedro_welcome cyphermox :-)17:34
seb128cyphermox will do n-m connman17:35
cyphermoxthanks all :)17:35
pedro_seb128, so cyphermox is not maintaining compiz? are you guys breaking the tradition? :-P17:35
seb128cyphermox, welcome ;-)17:35
seb128pedro_, oh, right17:35
seb128I'm not sure didrocks wants to give this one17:35
didrocksseb128: It will break my hearth, but I can give it with a great pleasure17:35
* didrocks adds cyperhmox to the compiz team :)17:36
didrocksand unsubscribe17:36
* pedro_ assigning all the compiz bugs to cyphermox17:36
seb128cyphermox, sorry running joke in the team17:36
seb128cyphermox, new comers get compiz as a welcome gift17:36
cyphermoxthat's a nice gift... lots of spikes and stuff. thanks :)17:36
seb128ok, let's keep moving on17:37
seb128usually we would have kenvandine doing a partner's update but he prefered to slac^fix bugs today ;-)17:37
seb128Riddell, hey17:38
seb128ready for a kubuntu update?17:38
seb128ok, no Riddell either17:38
seb128way to show how we run a meeting to cyphermox17:38
seb128didrocks, hey17:39
seb128ready for the UNE update? ;-)17:39
didrockscan I slack too? ;-)17:39
didrocksok, doing it :p17:39
* seb128 cracks the whip17:39
kenvandinewhat a weird week :)17:39
didrocksWe got a new unity release, as usual. Still a lot of bugs, but today's update should fix a bunch of them. Got unexpected crashers too, still under investigation and we still have some memory leaks too. We redefined a new least of critical bugs for us to get fixed17:39
didrocksUnity should now migrates your favorites from netbook-launcher, ubuntu GNOME panel launchers and ubuntu GNOME desktop .desktop file to unity panel. Script integrated in unity itself, used on first launch. Would be nice for people testing it (gconftool-2 --unset /desktop/unity and then logout immediately from unity before it tries to rewrite the current configuration).17:39
didrocks /!\ Warning, latest unity release contains only the latest piece for that, which is, matching custom .desktop file to application.17:40
didrocks(and it's not release yet, a question of minutes)17:40
didrocksBanshee won't make default in UNE, for more information, please refer to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-September/002644.html17:40
didrocksthat should be it17:40
seb128jcastro: seems you can't win with banshee17:40
seb128scnr ;-)17:41
seb128didrocks, ok thanks17:41
didrockshe isn't even around, not that fun :p17:41
didrocksyou're welcome17:41
seb128is there anything that need special testing in unity?17:41
didrockswell, as written, migration of favorites, I just get my feedback17:41
didrocksand it works for me :)17:42
seb128do you lack feedback or do we have enough feedback but lack patches?17:42
didrocksall should be integrated, just need feedback17:42
didrocksso, unset current favorites17:42
didrocksgconftool-2 --unset /desktop/unity17:42
didrocks(you can create launcher in the GNOME panel, desktop file in the GNOME desktop, or migration for netbook-launcher if  you still have some keys from there)17:43
seb128what component has this code?17:43
seb128ie where should we open bugs if there is any?17:43
didrocksunity itself17:43
seb128thanks didrocks17:43
didrocksand assign to me17:43
seb128questions? comments?17:43
seb128seems not, let's move on17:44
seb128Riddell is on holidays apprently that's why he didn't pong before17:44
seb128kenvandine, got the partner update ready?17:44
seb128so the mic is yours ;-)17:45
kenvandinedesktopcouch fix/workaround SRU is coming for bug 522538, already in maverick17:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 522538 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "gwibber-service crashed with error in connect() (affects: 706) (dups: 179) (heat: 3012)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52253817:45
kenvandineseb128, that is the one you asked about on friday17:45
seb128oh nice17:45
kenvandinehis improved work around has been in maverick for a while, and seems to be working17:46
kenvandinegoing to SRU it17:46
kenvandinethe desktopcouch pairing/syncing problems that were half fixed last week appear to still be only half fixed... i'll follow up on those17:46
kenvandinefor DX, blacklisting for appmenu is ready17:47
kenvandinehopefully will get that uploaded today17:47
seb128kenvandine, what will that do exactly? do they have a feature freeze request?17:47
seb128seems really late for such change17:47
kenvandinethis lets you include a key in the desktop file to hide the menu17:47
kenvandineyeah, it was one of the ffe that davidbarth had filed17:47
kenvandinei'll make sure it has an ack before uploading17:48
kenvandineit is important though...17:48
seb128what happens for those software?17:48
kenvandinestandard menu17:48
seb128will they get empty space?17:48
seb128what is the standard menu?17:48
seb128is that new strings?17:48
kenvandinenone appmenu17:48
kenvandineshouldn't be, i haven't seen it yet17:48
seb128ok, so no "desktop menu" or similar?17:48
kenvandinejust seen what the key looks like17:48
kenvandineright, that is my understanding17:49
kenvandinei think just the app title17:49
seb128let's see how it works17:49
kenvandinebut providing useless menus for open office, etc17:49
kenvandineseems ugly17:49
kenvandinei'll verify the ffe is approved and all17:49
ScrewI have a question: Is it possible to install an Ubuntu to a pendrive? I have a 8gb pendrive and I have tried the ubuntu installer from pendrive and it worked well. But I would like to install to it.17:49
kenvandinebefore uploading17:49
seb128Screw, try #ubuntu17:50
seb128Screw, we are in a meeting17:50
seb128kenvandine, ok, thanks17:50
kenvandinethe rest from DX is just bug fixing as usual, we plan to get everything uploaded by EOD tomorrow17:50
kenvandinebefore freeze17:50
Screwok, sorry17:50
kenvandinethat is it17:50
kenvandinenp :)17:50
seb128anything still coming from ols?17:50
kenvandineyeah, bug fixes17:51
kenvandineand the fix for syncdaemon starting, afaik17:51
kenvandinei saw that bug was duped17:51
kenvandinethey said uploads on wed17:51
seb128seems things are mostly on track there17:51
seb128thanks kenvandine17:52
seb128questions or comments about dx or ols?17:52
seb128ok, seems not17:52
seb128tremolux, hey17:52
seb128software-center update?17:52
tremoluxhiya, you bet17:53
tremoluxBuy Something: test item purchases using production server successful end-to-end, bug fixing continues17:53
tremoluxNew Apps: extras.ubuntu.com and sync from the app-review-board are live!  testing/verifying with it now17:53
tremoluxMisc:  many, many excellent bug fixes this week, continue in preparation for freeze17:53
seb128I noticed we got the extras archive, great ;-)17:53
tremoluxand a special thanks to kiwinote, he has been doing amazing work; great fixes also from mmcg069 and devildante this week17:53
tremoluxyeah, it's really cool, everything coming together17:53
seb128nice cycle for software-center17:53
seb128there is a great team working on it17:54
seb128congrats to everybody17:54
kenvandinei love that sc replaces gdebi17:54
tremoluxseb128, kenvandine:  thanks!  a great team indeed, it's a real pleasure17:54
tremoluxkenvandine: cool, isn't it?  that was kiwinote's work17:54
seb128tremolux, do you still have anything on your list for maverick?17:54
seb128any bug concerning you or change you still want to get?17:54
* pitti has to run and waves good night17:54
seb128pitti, 'night17:55
tremoluxsee you pitti17:55
tremoluxI do, yes17:55
tremoluxbug fixes, mvo will do a end-game triage in about an hour or so17:55
tremoluxmvo and I, sorry17:55
tremoluxwe'll prioritize to see what we can get in for freeze17:56
seb128how do you track bugs you want to get fixed for this cycle?17:56
tremoluxwe've been tagging some for the release17:56
seb128do you use the nomination17:56
tremoluxbut mostly we keep a running list of what we want and we fix as we can17:56
seb128or milestones?17:57
tremoluxno, we don't17:57
seb128could you?17:57
tremoluxyes, we milestone17:57
seb128it's hard to watch what issues are tracked or not17:57
tremoluxok, understood17:57
seb128well let's chat about that after the meeting if you want17:57
tremoluxsorry about that  :)17:57
seb128thanks tremolux17:57
tremoluxyou're welcome!17:57
seb128any question or comment for tremolux?17:57
komputestremolux: will lists in software-center be fixed for this release?17:57
seb128komputes, lists?17:58
tremoluxhi komputes, not sure what you mean exactly?17:58
komputestremolux: seb128 Bug #58414717:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 584147 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Bullet lists in package descriptions are not displayed correctly for PPA packages (affects: 2) (heat: 41)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58414717:58
komputesoops, should change desc, not just PPAs are affected17:58
komputesseb128: tremolux: nobody in the desktop team has experienced this yet?17:59
seb128I don't know17:59
seb128I didn't notice it17:59
seb128komputes, can you chat with tremolux after the meeting about this?17:59
komputesseb128: will do17:59
seb128let's not stop on individual bugs there18:00
seb128ok, thanks tremolux18:00
seb128let's keep moving18:00
tremoluxkomputes: I'm going to have to look at that, I know at least some are good (I thought?)18:00
seb128pedro_, hey18:00
pedro_so the bugs for this week18:00
pedro_bug 62277718:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 622777 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _handle_UBX() (affects: 64) (dups: 19) (heat: 350)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62277718:00
pedro_bug 62950118:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 629501 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with TypeError in _send_chunk() (affects: 8) (dups: 5) (heat: 64)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62950118:00
pedro_those are the ones causing more problems on telepathy-butterfly atm18:00
pedro_the second one, upstream said it's fixed with papyon 0.5.118:01
pedro_so not sure if we can cherry pick that18:01
pedro_would be great if someone could investigate though18:01
seb128we will probably do the update18:01
seb128I will ping upstream about the first one18:01
pedro_ok great18:02
pedro_the other is bug 63023918:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 630239 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gkbd_keyboard_drawing_new_dialog() (affects: 50) (dups: 5) (heat: 238)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63023918:02
pedro_is that going to be fixed for Maverick? it currently has 46 affected people18:02
pedro_chrisccoulson, are you still working on it?18:02
seb128chrisccoulson, was going to work on that or reassign it to the guy who did the change18:03
chrisccoulsoni'm looking at that right now :)18:03
pedro_seb128, ok to approve the nomination for maverick then?18:03
pedro_ok cool18:03
pedro_bug 60282818:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 602828 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_get_toplevel() (affects: 65) (dups: 7) (heat: 364)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60282818:04
pedro_this one is the bad bug we're having on Evo in Maverick18:04
pedro_58 affected people and a few dups this week18:04
seb128didrocks, ^18:04
pedro_on the upstream report mbarnes said it might be fixed in 2.3118:04
seb128is the commit18:05
didrocksI'll have a look if there is a good stacktrace18:05
pedro_but since we're not updating18:05
seb128didrocks, can you investigate if we can backport that change?18:05
didrocksok, will try to backport that18:05
seb128seems easy enough18:05
seb128didrocks, thanks18:05
pedro_awesome, thanks didrocks18:05
didrocksseb128: pedro_ yw :)18:05
pedro_and the last one, bug 55180918:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 249) (dups: 53) (heat: 937)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55180918:05
pedro_that one is getting a lot of dups lately as well18:05
seb128we have a gnome-bt which seems similar18:06
pedro_it turns out to be a gtk+ crash, if we can get someone to have a look that'd be great18:06
pedro_seb128, yeah they were tracking the same upstream report18:06
seb128bratsche, ayan: ^ could one of you try to see if you see something wrong there?18:06
pedro_the gnome-bt was marked as dup of that one18:06
pedro_in the upstream bts and in lp18:06
seb128bratsche, ayan: we are a bit short on GTK hackers and we could use help there18:06
seb128pedro_, ok thanks18:06
seb128bratsche, ayan: not a today thing but in the next days if you could would be nice18:07
seb128kenvandine, ^ can you try to follow up on that one while I'm not there?18:07
seb128kenvandine, is just try to see if you can get bratsche or ayan to help when they are around or have a free slot18:07
pedro_seb128, no more bugs to raise from here18:07
seb128pedro_, thanks, usually summary as usual18:08
seb128kenvandine, thanks18:08
seb128pedro_, how is the release for you?18:08
seb128the retracers are still catching up18:08
pedro_things are going good18:08
seb128do you manage to keep up with the crash bugs? ;-)18:08
pedro_since the retracers are working again i didn't noticed any bad crashes18:08
pedro_we do have a couple of nautilus crashes getting duplicates18:08
pedro_but nothing bad18:08
* kenvandine loves having pedro_ attend the meeting!18:09
seb128yeah, great to have pedro_ there18:09
bratschekenvandine, seb128: If ayan has time, that would help a lot.  I'm trying to find time to work on multitouch stuff, and I'd like to have something ready with that before the gtk hackfest.18:09
pedro_looks like we got all the bad crashes in the beginning of the cycle, despite the retracers being broken18:09
pedro_which is good18:09
pedro_kenvandine, <3 to be here too ;-)18:09
seb128bratsche, ok, I know you are really busy, it was in case you would have half an hour and spot something but don't worry we will manage without that18:10
ogradidrocks, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/go-home-applet i somehow cant propose it for merging :(18:10
seb128ogra, we are in a meeting18:10
ogra(and i have no push access to the original branch)18:10
ograseb128, ugh, this is weird ...18:10
seb128ogra, no it's not?18:10
* ogra would expect meetings in #ubuntu.meeting 18:10
seb128ogra, the meeting is at this time every week18:11
* ogra keeps quiet then18:11
seb128ogra, we would have to move everybody there and it was conflicting with some other meetings18:11
seb128it's hard enough to find a slot which works for everybody18:11
seb128we didn't want to add constrain on IRC channels as well18:11
seb128ok, moving on18:11
seb128we are on shape for maverick18:12
seb128well at this point we should be pretty much done for work items and focus on bug fixing18:12
seb128kenvandine, I'm going to drop your gwibber testsuite spec18:12
kenvandineseb128, yeah... please do18:12
kenvandinei continue to work on it... but nothing that ships in maverick18:13
seb128kenvandine, it's still work on your plate but we don't track it for maverick release18:13
seb128great work otherwise everybody18:13
seb128the maverick desktop seems very solid18:13
kenvandinemaverick is rocking!18:13
seb128UNE is really nice as well18:13
milanbvseb128, kenvandine: about the gnome-settings-daemon/gtk+ crasher, I've found a possible track18:13
pedro_yeah! great work everybody :-)18:13
milanbv(see upstream report)18:13
seb128milanbv, oh nice, can you get mclasen or somebody from upstream commenting?18:14
kenvandinei totally love using unity18:14
kenvandinewhen it doesn't eat my mouse input :)18:14
didrockskenvandine: will be fixed :p18:14
milanbvseb128: I thought he'd have commented already18:15
milanbvI'll ping him18:15
seb128milanbv, oh ok, I will check the bug before adding extra IRC comments ;-)18:15
seb128let's wrap up the meeting first though18:15
seb128kenvandine, didrocks will fix all the unity bugs I've been told18:15
kenvandineseb128, that is my understanding as well :)18:16
didrocksseb128: great! thanks kenvandine kthxbye18:16
seb128ok, that's it from me I thinkl18:16
seb128extra questions? comments?18:16
seb128I've some extra announcement in fact there18:17
seb128so kenvandine will be teachlead for this end of week18:17
seb128didrocks will step up next week18:17
seb128while I'm taking some holidays18:17
kenvandineseb128, you will be missed, but enjoy a break :)18:17
seb128if anybody need anything please get in touch with them18:17
pedro_enjoy seb128 :-)18:17
seb128kenvandine, thanks ;-)18:17
seb128kenvandine, didrocks: thanks for stepping up during those weeks18:18
didrocksright, enjoy seb128, you totally deserve it :-)18:18
tremoluxseb128: have fun!18:18
kenvandineseb128, forget about us while your out :)18:18
didrocksseb128: well, isn't the job telling pedro_ we won't fix things? ;)18:18
seb128everything should be on shape though, hard freeze is tomorrow night18:18
kenvandinedidrocks, that is my understanding18:18
didrockswe agree so :-)18:18
pedro_didrocks, your job is to tell me 'let's assign this to seb' :-p18:18
seb128didrocks, you can try that but be careful pedro_ is clever enough to not fall into that ;-)18:19
didrockspedro_: hehe18:19
seb128ok so hard freeze tomorrow night18:19
seb128you guys focus on fixing bugs in the next two weeks18:19
seb128so maverick will be rocking as it already does but in a very stable way18:19
seb128we will get GNOME 2.32 just before rc18:19
seb128I think that's it18:20
seb128thanks everybody18:20
chrisccoulsonright, i can see what's going on with g-s-d now18:20
seb128chrisccoulson, oh?18:20
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i commented on the bug18:20
* cyphermox steps out to lunch18:20
chrisccoulsonalthough, apart from that i can't really work out what this code is trying to do, but the actual memory error is quite clear18:21
seb128chrisccoulson, can you subscribe karl-qdh on the bug?18:21
didrocksseb128: just need a FFe for Quickly, and pitti didn't have the time, no cjwatson nor riddel :/ tried to ping scottk but not there and I'm not available before final freeze… we are short in releast team members and no delegation…18:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, sure18:22
ograis your meeting over now ?18:23
seb128ogra, yes18:23
ogra(its odd withour the meeting bot)18:23
seb128didrocks, go for it and upload18:23
didrocksseb128: can you just +1 on the bug report? https://launchpad.net/bugs/63813018:24
ubot2Launchpad bug 638130 in quickly (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Quickly 0.6 in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]18:24
ogradidrocks, so https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/go-home-applet has the fix we need, i cant send a merge request fro some reason, which is why i ping you here ...18:24
ogradidrocks, on a sidenote i dont think we'd mind to take over maintenance of go-home in the armel team18:25
didrocksogra: is it because of +junk?18:25
ogramight be18:25
ograi dont get the link on the branch page18:25
didrocksogra: not sure I'll have the time tonight and I won't be there before Friday, can you distro patch it?18:25
ogradidrocks, np18:25
didrocksogra: we'll fix trunk and permission on Friday, ok?18:25
ogradidrocks, i'll just do it in the diff.gz not adding a patch system or something18:26
ogra(not worth the hassle for such a tiny thing)#18:26
seb128didrocks, done18:27
didrocksseb128: thanks18:28
didrocksogra: sure… we'll fix this propertly on Friday, just ping me!18:28
ograwill do18:28
seb128pedro_, the 2 telepathy bugs are fixed int he new version18:37
seb128we will get it in18:37
pedro_seb128, awesome! thanks18:37
chrisccoulson3rd crash of the day!18:38
seb128chrisccoulson, wb18:39
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks for investigating that crash18:39
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it seems like there are multiple issues18:39
chrisccoulsonthe actual crash is separate from the memory issue18:39
seb128chrisccoulson, btw if you are around and have free slots can you try to cover on GNOME issues for this week and next week?18:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, no problem18:40
seb128well nothing special but just if bugs come and need uploads or investigation18:40
seb128or if didrocks need some help with updates18:40
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks18:40
seb128kenvandine, should I low bug #522538 and unset the milestone if that's a non issue in the maverick version?18:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 522538 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "gwibber-service crashed with error in connect() (affects: 706) (dups: 179) (heat: 3012)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52253818:43
kenvandineseb128, i'll handle it18:43
seb128kenvandine, thanks18:43
kenvandineit has apparently been fixed already in maverick18:43
chrisccoulsonseb128 - oh, the show layout crash is an easy one18:43
chrisccoulsonwe're missing a gtkbuilder file from the install18:43
chrisccoulson"No such file or directory." is the error from gtk_builder_add_from_file18:44
seb128oh, are we?18:44
seb128weird because it doesn't crash there18:44
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, it's missing from libgnomekbd18:45
chrisccoulsonthere should be a show-layout.ui18:45
seb128chrisccoulson, gkbd-capplet: /usr/share/libgnomekbd/ui/show-layout.ui18:47
seb128oh, that explains why it works for me18:47
chrisccoulsonah, i don't have that installed18:48
seb128we should move that to libgnomekbd-common18:48
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, that makes sense18:48
seb128chrisccoulson, can you do that?18:49
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, no problem18:49
kklimondajcastro: have you asked about me or should I still wait some more?18:52
jcastrokklimonda: give me one more day please!18:53
jcastroI am going as fast as I can!18:53
kklimondajcastro: no problem, just keeping a tab :)18:53
jcastrodon't worry, you're burned into my brain. :)18:54
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boulabiarSarvatt, what's the easiest way to install the mesa7.9git ?19:06
boulabiaris there a ppa to add for that ?19:11
seb128jcastro: so it's just me you ignore :p19:12
chrisccoulsonhmmm, libgnomekbd DENIED19:30
chrisccoulsonseb128 - would you mind sponsoring please? :)19:30
seb128chrisccoulson, ok19:31
seb128chrisccoulson, when do you apply for upload rights? ;-)19:31
chrisccoulsonafter dinner!19:31
chrisccoulsonheh :)19:31
seb128which dinner?19:32
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks for the fixing in any case ;-)19:32
chrisccoulsonyou're welcome19:32
chrisccoulsonwe should still try and fix the memory errors before release as well, i'm surprised those don't make it crash actually19:33
seb128chrisccoulson, right, karl can do that19:35
seb128kenvandine, james_w said it would be fixed with recent updates20:05
seb128but it didn't20:05
kenvandinehow did you work around it?20:05
seb128by not specifying the lp:20:05
kenvandineextracted the tarball overwriting files?20:05
seb128just merging the tarball20:05
seb128can you copy the error there?20:05
seb128just to make sure it's the same20:05
kenvandinebzr: ERROR: An inconsistent delta was supplied involving u'/vapi', 'vapi-20100621103135-gycdn15933l3irmh-1'20:06
kenvandinereason: Attempt to add item at path already occupied by id 'vapi-20100624175500-xymgx3h309uhcz83-12'20:06
james_wI forgot to sync the package, doing that now20:06
seb128james_w, thanks20:06
kenvandinejames_w, i can test :)20:06
kenvandinejames_w, point me at the source and i'll build locally and test20:06
james_wbzr-builddeb in debian unstable20:07
kenvandinejames_w, seb128: well it didn't complain :)20:13
kenvandinethx james_w20:14
kenvandinealthough it makes the diff hard to read... lists lots of files as removed and added20:14
kenvandinebut i guess that gets them in sync20:14
james_wyeah, should be a one-time thing20:15
seb128kenvandine, do you think you could update http://www.freedesktop.org/software/papyon/releases/papyon-0.5.1.tar.gz?20:27
seb128kenvandine, I'm trying to wrap things before holidays but I'm a bit short to do updates20:27
seb128that one would be nice to get it today or tomorrow20:27
seb128since it fixes bugs pedro_ pointed before20:27
seb128kenvandine, thanks20:30
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kiwinotehi mpt! the changes to drawing cause Document Viewer not to be displayed, changes to painting & editing causes gthumb, gtkam, gpicview, eog, qcomicbook, qtpfsgui, scan tailor, xsane not to be displayed20:45
kiwinotempt: this is all desired effect? (just checking)20:45
mptkiwinote, that seems right, as long as they're all somewhere else20:46
kiwinotempt: yep, they are. thanks!20:46
kiwinotempt: just fyi, to test this sort of change you can edit /usr/share/app-install/desktop/software-center.menu20:47
mptkiwinote, ah, of course20:48
mptkiwinote, it looks like qtpfsgui should not have Category: Viewer in the first place20:49
mptit's mostly an editor20:49
mptand it's broken20:50
mptbut that's a separate problem :-)20:50
kiwinotehehe, yeah, I noticed that it was under photography as well, but wasn't quite sure where the border lies between photography and editing20:50
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nessitapitti: hey there, are you around?22:46
rickspencer3kenvandine, hey22:46
rickspencer3if I am seeing the following error, on what package should I log a bug?22:46
rickspencer3TypeError: can't convert return value to desired type22:46
rickspencer3grid_filter.py:797: Warning: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.25.15/gobject/gtype.c:4181: type id `0' is invalid22:46
rickspencer3  gtk.main()22:46
rickspencer3grid_filter.py:797: Warning: can't peek value table for type `<invalid>' which is not currently referenced22:46
rickspencer3  gtk.main()22:46
rickspencer3Segmentation fault (core dumped)22:46
rickspencer3(and yes, I have managed to write Python code that causes a core dump)22:46
nessitaall: any idea if I can use lp-project-upload to upload a tarball to a given lauchpad series?22:47
TheMusorickspencer3: At a glance, I'd guess that its a glib issue, but I see references to gtk and glib, so not 100% sure.22:52
kklimondaor maybe it's related to pygtk?22:53
* cyphermox --> eod22:54
milanbvtedg: around?22:54
tedgmilanbv, Yes, for a bit.22:55
milanbvI think I've tracked a bug affecting gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-bluetooth to libappindicators22:55
milanbvthat's bug 55180922:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 249) (dups: 53) (heat: 937)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55180922:55
tedgmilanbv, Oh, cool.  Great!22:56
milanbvthere's a weird issue with a GIcon being destroyed when icon themes are udpated22:56
milanbv(see upstream report)22:56
milanbvI'm not sure yet what appindicators are doing wrong, but that's the only component I've seen that is using gtk_status_icon_set_from_gicon()22:57
tedgmilanbv, Hmm, okay.22:58
milanbvtedg: maybe the g_object_unref (themed_icon) in src/libappindicator/app-indicator.c is wrong22:58
milanbvbecause the status icon is sinking the floating reference22:58
milanbvjust a guess...22:58
tedgmilanbv, Judging by that path you've got an older version of libappindicator?  Lucid?22:59
milanbvtedg: lucid, yes23:00
milanbvthere are reports on Maverick, but maybe not up to date23:00
tedgThe GThemedIcon seems to inherit from GObject instead of GInitialyUnknowned.  So it seems a g_object_unref would be appropriate.23:01
milanbvtedg: seems too23:02
milanbvbut then I don't understand the crash23:02
milanbvtedg: anyway, it really seems that libappindicator is the culprit, as it's the only to use GIcon with GtkStatusIcon23:05
milanbv(or at least it triggers a bug in GTK+=23:05
tedgYeah, I'd prefer to find the bug in GTK though.  It's probably causing crashers for other folks somewhere as well.23:06
tedgInterestingly, I think it doesn't every unref the gicon...23:07
milanbvtedg: ?23:08
milanbvmissing word? :-)23:08
tedgYeah, no, I was wrong.  It calls reset_image_data which does.23:09
milanbvtedg: I think GtkImage doesn't unref its GIcon though23:10
milanbv(AFAICT, but that wasn't my highest priority...)23:10
milanbvanother explanation would be that something nasty is going on with GdkDisplay, which kills the GtkPlug, and thus the GtkStatusIcon, which releases it's GIcon in the middle of the lookup23:11
mclasentedg: it has not been proven that there is a gtk bug....23:12
tedgmclasen, For sure.  It's a bug, but if it's in GTK I'd rather fix it there.23:12
mclasenof course23:13
milanbvmclasen: I think GtkImage doesn't release its reference on the GIcon23:14
milanbvI may be wrong, but it may be worth giving a look, while we talk about it23:15
tedgI don't see anything odd. :(23:17
mclasenI'll have a look23:17
tedgI really hate crashing gsd though.23:17
tedgmilanbv, I've got to run, but I subscribed to the bug.  Please post anything if you have more ideas.23:25
tedgThanks for your help mclasen!23:25

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