[02:22] <lfaraone> I'm trying to check my packages with piuparts, and I'm using a local mirror. When I run it with "--dist maverick", it dies after setting up the chroot with "  E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes" and reports of unauthenticated packages.
[02:22] <lfaraone> Do I need to add a hook somewhere?
[02:34] <lfaraone> Nevermind, I created a pbuilder chroot and used that as the base and it worked.
[02:36] <lfaraone> :q!
[02:37] <ScottK> lfaraone: Wrong window I think.
[02:38] <nigelb> haha
[02:38] <lfaraone> ScottK: heh, yeah, oops
[03:53] <lfaraone> ScottK: got it, turtleart 98-1 will be dinstalled in a few hours. Per http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/turtleart/repos/mainline/blobs/master/NEWS , the jump from 96 to 98 was a bugfix-only release.
[03:53] <lfaraone> ScottK: do I now need to file a new sync request?
[03:53] <ScottK> lfaraone: yes.
[03:54] <ScottK> Doesn't need an FFe since it's bugfix only.
[03:56] <lfaraone> ScottK: bug 637735 is the magic number.
[03:57] <ScottK> OK.  It should get sync'ed through the normal process and then ping me when it's in new.
[09:37] <jekil> hello
[10:18] <AnAnt> Hello
[11:53] <bilalakhtar> Laney: Just saw your ack on coolbhavi's sync
[11:54] <Laney> that was fast
[11:54] <bilalakhtar> Laney: Don't you think coolbhavi comes on IRC only when he needs it?
[11:54] <Laney> bilalakhtar: I don't know and I'm not interested in mud slinging
[11:55] <bilalakhtar> Laney: ah okay
[11:55] <Laney> I can't say I follow peoples activity patterns
[12:33] <AnAnt> ?
[14:20] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ping
[14:21] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: hi
[14:21] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: would you please be around during the meeting?
[14:21] <tumbleweed> yes, I probably will be
[14:22] <bilalakhtar> Thanks a lot tumbleweed !
[15:32] <RainCT> ScottK: So now you're a Zeitgeist fan? ;)
[15:41] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: do you need have a special forces?
[15:42] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: what?
[15:42] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: lol, what do you mean to say?
[15:42] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: getting sponsors for meeting
[15:43] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: I am getting two for myself, its your choice if you wish to
[15:43] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: but in many cases, its not needed
[15:43] <ari-tczew> Don't be afraid, it's only my curiosity.
[15:43] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: you have far too many endorsements, which are like live soldiers!
[15:44] <AnAnt> ari-tczew: seems that bilalakhtar plans to invade the DMB
[15:44]  * tumbleweed tries to be present in DMB meetings when people I've endorsed are applying for roles
[15:44] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: hahaha, 100% is not helpful for me :)
[15:44]  * bilalakhtar sees soo many highlights
[15:45] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: trust me, you will become one soon! and I'll support you
[15:45] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar seems keen to make sure everything will go well (possibly a little too keen :P )
[15:46] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I'm counting on you :)
[15:46]  * bilalakhtar is counting on ari-tczew :D
[15:47]  * ari-tczew : let's listen to Depeche Mode
[16:02] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: wow, already endoresing eh? :)
[16:03] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: the curse of being a busy sponsor
[16:03] <ScottK> RainCT: Not particularly, but I trust your judgment and we don't want to release broken stuff.
[16:03] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: :)
[17:13] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ping
[17:13] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: pong
[17:13] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: congratulations and welcome to MOTU
[17:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: thanks :)
[17:13] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ah, thats it, the meeting is going on, god will, my item shall come soon. Thanks thanks thanks!
[17:14] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: I'm afraid I have to go offline in 10 mins or so
[17:14] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: no problem, seb128 will advocate me there, thanks for the wiki endorsement!
[17:20] <frex__> hi
[17:21] <ari-tczew> hi frex__
[17:21] <frex__> does anyone have any experiance with bzr-builddeb and quilt in merge mode?
[17:21] <frex__> i can't really figure it out
[17:23] <kklimonda> frex__: there is bzr bd-do command you can use
[17:23] <kklimonda> frex__: when you are done editing/preparing patch you exit shell with "exit 0" to copy back changes made in debian/ directory
[17:24] <frex__> kklimonda: i tried that but the patch stack does not get copied once i exit the subshell
[17:24] <frex__> ah, i have to copy them manually?
[17:24] <tumbleweed> frex__: don't forget to bzr add the patch when you return
[17:24] <tumbleweed> frex__: no, it should get copied back
[17:25] <frex__> tumbleweed: thanks, i'll try it again
[17:25] <tumbleweed> frex__: you have configured your quilt to put the patches in debian/patches, right?
[17:26] <frex__> yes, i exported QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[17:27] <tumbleweed> hmm, no clue (and must run away now)
[17:45] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: around? I became MOTU!
[17:46] <jcastro> nice job bilalakhtar!
[17:46] <bilalakhtar> Thanks jcastro !
[18:34] <directhex> where do we stand on freezes right now?
[18:35] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[18:35] <sebner> directhex: Final Freeze should be in 2 days
[18:36] <directhex> so if i upload an urgent bugfix to monodevelop, does that get into the archive or sit in a queue?
[18:41] <nigelb> directhex: depends on how invasive it is :)
[18:41] <nigelb> but generally bug fix anytime is welcome except during freezes
[18:42] <maco> well during final freeze if its release critical, of course its welcome
[18:43] <Laney> so to answer the question
[18:43] <Laney> the archive is open right now, no holding in any queues
[18:44] <directhex> ta Laney. just need to wait for MD 3ubuntu1 to land, then
[18:44] <directhex> followed by debugger-* reuploads
[18:44] <Laney> ubuntu1?
[18:44] <Laney> boo
[18:44] <directhex> Laney, moon
[18:45] <Laney> oh yeah, boo @ ftpmaster
[18:46] <bilalakhtar> Laney: Thanks for your help when I needed it, now I am MOTU
[18:46] <directhex> Laney, do we need mono -3?
[18:46] <Laney> bilalakhtar: Wasn't aware that I helped, but well done
[18:47] <Laney> directhex: errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[18:47] <bilalakhtar> Laney: You helped me with a few changes :)
[18:47] <Laney> directhex: we might want those changes i guess
[18:47] <Laney> I really don't understand why that X509 one is important, but meebey says so
[18:48] <directhex> Laney, my sentiment is i dare a lot less about mono -3 than MD -3
[18:48] <directhex> care
[18:48] <Laney> sebner likes merging mono
[18:49] <directhex> he does! he's a mono merging machine!"
[18:49]  * sebner is evidently the only one willing to wait and see if the test-build succeeds :P
[18:50] <directhex> test who?
[18:50] <sebner> heh
[18:50] <sebner> directhex: so, the usual changes?
[18:50] <directhex> sebner, yeah, same drill as usual ¬_¬
[18:50] <directhex> sebner, i'll try to look at longomatch in exp today
[18:51] <sebner> directhex: kk, /me grabs source
[18:51] <sebner> directhex: no worries
[18:54] <directhex> sebner, really glad i got to the bottom of the monodevelop-debugger-mdb problem \o/
[18:54] <sebner> directhex: what was it?
[18:55] <directhex> sebner, -keycontainer doesn't work, produces random keys. hence mismatched assembly key between compilation of MD and compilation of monodevelop-debugger-*
[18:57] <sebner> directhex: hurrdurr
[19:03] <sebner> directhex: why didn't we have a release name for -2 btw? Testbuilding now ..
[19:03] <directhex> sebner, wasn't special enough
[19:04] <sebner> pfff
[19:07]  * sebner reads planet ubuntu and wonders about debian/source/options
[19:10] <philsf_> Hi, I'd like to create packages for my in-house scripts, not for publishing or uploading. I don't need to conform to strict policies, just want to be able to install, remove and upgrade easilly a set of perl classes. What's the least effort guide available?
[19:11] <philsf_> I started looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide and there are instructions specific for python and ruby, but not perl. Is perl simpler than those other languages?
[19:26] <ari-tczew> who can approve user to ubuntu-sponsors? only dholbach?
[19:33] <LaserJock> multiverse question, is there any decent way to effectively remove a package from the archives?
[19:33] <sebner> directhex: btw, shouldn't MD 2.4 be in master trunk now that we upload to unstable instead of master-exp? Just noticed my vcs-location change isn't there
[19:34] <sebner> LaserJock: I guess it's the same with normal universe removal?! Just file a removal bug
[19:34] <sebner> ari-tczew: I think persia can too
[19:34] <directhex> sebner, yes, it should. i plan on doing a mass master-exp->master as soon as i suck less and stop hiding from git
[19:34] <BlackZ> LaserJock: don't forgot to subscribe "ubuntu-archive" to the bug
[19:35] <sebner> directhex: heh, kk. I was just wondering =)
[19:35] <LaserJock> sebner: but will that be effective throughout the entire archive? all releases
[19:36] <LaserJock> I remember it being policy to not remove packages from stable releases
[19:36] <sebner> LaserJock: nope, just the current devel version
[19:36] <LaserJock> right, I need a complete removal
[19:36] <LaserJock> I wondered if uploading empty packages as SRUs would be a decent idea
[19:37] <sebner> LaserJock: wow, license/copyright issue?
[19:37] <sebner> directhex: I think testbuild is at 30% \o/
[19:37] <directhex> sebner needs moar mhz
[19:37] <sebner> directhex: ah, nonsense. It should be finished in a few minutes, xD
[19:38] <LaserJock> sebner: no quite that bad, the software currently breaks any upgrades and is hence a PR nightmare for the company involved
[19:38] <LaserJock> sebner: so they requested a removal
[19:38] <sebner> urgh
[19:39] <LaserJock> not package-to-package upgrades, system upgrades fail and you end up with a very broken system
[19:39]  * LaserJock mumbles something about the wonderful joys of Multiverse packaging ;-)
[19:39] <sebner> xD
[19:40] <sebner> LaserJock: wondering if I'm using it .. about what we are talking about?
[19:40] <LaserJock> doubt it, you'd know
[19:40] <LaserJock> userful-multiplier/desktop-multiplier
[19:41] <sebner> LaserJock: how come this breaks systems?
[19:42] <BlackZ> sebner: you're reading in my mind, that's what I was just asking :)
[19:42] <sebner> BlackZ: :) , do you know it? I've never heard of it before
[19:43] <BlackZ> +wanted
[19:43] <BlackZ> sebner: no
[19:44] <LaserJock> sebner: well, it essentially replaces Xorg and it apparently does some funky stuff after installs
[19:44] <sebner> omg
[19:44] <LaserJock> sebner: I did the original packaging in 2006 and it was a fairly nasty mess at the time
[19:44] <sebner> __Now__ I understand your desire to remove it
[19:45] <LaserJock> but apparently things start shifting in terms of versions they're building for and what we have
[19:45] <LaserJock> and so overall it's just kind of a mess
[19:45] <LaserJock> and people are reporting brokens systems
[19:45] <LaserJock> so it'd be nice to get rid of it if we can
 and people are reporting brokens systems <- do you have any bug report that describes that problem?
[19:46] <LaserJock> BlackZ: bug #363313 for instance
[19:49] <BlackZ> LaserJock: Debian is affected by this bug as well?
[19:49] <LaserJock> heh
[19:49] <LaserJock> Debian wouldn't touch that package in a million years ;-)
[19:50] <BlackZ> LaserJock: so, did you ask its removal from Debian too?
[19:50]  * maco hugs LaserJock
[19:50] <BlackZ> LaserJock: or is it already removed from Debian?
[19:50] <maco> LaserJock: havent seen you on irc in a LONG time
[19:50] <LaserJock> BlackZ: it's not *in* Debian
[19:50] <BlackZ> LaserJock: but in the past it was, right?
[19:50] <LaserJock> BlackZ: no
[19:50] <LaserJock> maco: yeah, it's been a while :-)
[19:51] <sebner> BlackZ: Evidently Debian was not foolish enough, unlike us, to accept it into the archive xD
[19:52] <LaserJock> well, it was an experiment
[19:52] <LaserJock> :-)
[19:52] <BlackZ> LaserJock: ah, it's just in Ubuntu, then: 1. why isn't "Ubuntu Developers" set as maintainer of the package? 2. why is there an "Uploaders" field in the debian/control file?
[19:53] <LaserJock> BlackZ: 1) because I wrote the packaging before Ubuntu Developers existed and 2)to allow for the company to have some sort of address
[19:54] <LaserJock> maco: still in DC?
[19:54] <kklimonda> is anyone familiar with debian oriented packaging online? I have a test suite that depends on en_US.utf8 locales being set, in Ubuntu we have language-pack-en-base that we can build-depend on to get locales generated before build. Is there something similar in Debian I could use?
[19:54] <maco> LaserJock: yep, for now
[19:54] <maco> LaserJock: last semester! done in dec! *happy dance*
[19:54] <LaserJock> maco: awesome
[19:55] <BlackZ> LaserJock: yes, it's an old package; however, "2)to allow for the company to have some sort of address" you can use the debian/control file for that as well as the debian/copyright file :)
[19:55] <Rhonda> kklimonda: locales-all
[19:56] <LaserJock> maco: after that? grad school? job?
[19:56] <LaserJock> BlackZ: sure, it's there too, we wanted something in the .dsc if possible
[19:56] <maco> LaserJock: not grad school. i spent too much time ubuntuing and not enough studying to have the sort of gpa that gets one into grad school
[19:56] <LaserJock> heh
[19:56] <LaserJock> I can relate to that
[19:56] <BlackZ> LaserJock: I assume you don't update it from long time :)
[19:57] <BlackZ> s/from/since
[19:57] <LaserJock> no, not much
[19:57] <Rhonda> kklimonda: And in general, #debian-ubuntu on OFTC network might get you better answers. :)
[19:57] <LaserJock> I've done some SRUs
[19:57] <LaserJock> but haven't done much since
[19:57] <kklimonda> Rhonda: oh, right - I've completely forgotten about this one :)
[19:57] <kklimonda> Rhonda: can I build-depend on locales-all in Ubuntu? it's virtual package here
[19:57] <BlackZ> LaserJock: however, thanks for filing a removal request for it :)
[19:58] <Rhonda> kklimonda: You might want to chose locales-all | language-pack-en-base?
[19:58] <Rhonda> kklimonda: Tnoug, not sure wether that would work out as expected.
[19:58] <Rhonda> though.
[19:58] <Rhonda> Strange typing through the lag of full network bandwidth.
[19:58] <BlackZ> LaserJock: if that package does what you said then we should really remove it from our official repository
[19:59] <kklimonda> Rhonda: good idea, I'll see if that works as soon as I manage to create a pbuilder chroot with debian unstable :)
[19:59] <BlackZ> s/repository/repositories
[19:59] <Rhonda> kklimonda: If it fails, create one for squeeze, change sources.list and do an --upgrade.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> bilalakhtar: i got accepted into bug control ;)
[20:03] <bilalakhtar> shadeslayer: Congrats!
[20:03] <shadeslayer> thanks
[20:03] <LaserJock> BlackZ: well, that'd be the idea, we'll see what ubuntu-archive things
[20:03] <LaserJock> *thinks
[20:06] <philsf_> Hi, I'd like to create packages for my in-house scripts, not for publishing or uploading. I don't need to conform to strict policies, just want to be able to install, remove and upgrade easilly a set of perl classes. What's the least effort guide available?
[20:07] <LaserJock> good grief, what was 8.04's code name?
[20:07]  * LaserJock is definitely a little rusty
[20:07] <maco> hardy
[20:07]  * maco hands LaserJock the Tin Man's oil can
[20:08]  * LaserJock sniffles in the corner with his 2006 copy of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[20:10]  * shadeslayer hands maco a Kubuntu 7.04 CD
[20:13] <maco> i think i used that for like..maybe an hour
[20:15] <LaserJock> gutsy?
[20:15] <LaserJock> wait, feisty
[20:16] <vish> 'name that release' game? ;p
[20:17] <nigelb> lucidfox: poke? :)
[20:17] <lucidfox> nigelb> I know, I know I've been terribly slacking
[20:18] <nigelb> lucidfox: heh, I'm guilty myself :)
[20:18] <lucidfox> but *right now* I've just reinstalled Ubuntu and should be going to sleep already -_-
[20:18] <nigelb> lucidfox: later then :)
[20:22] <LaserJock> sebner: can I just subscribe ubuntu-archive to the removal bug or do I need some sort of sponsorship first?
[20:22]  * Rhonda pokes lucidfox with nigelb 
[20:23]  * nigelb blinks
[20:23] <lucidfox> Rhonda> I'll get to it tomorrow! I would now actually, but... really need to sleep. If not, you can shoot me!
[20:23] <nigelb> I'm now being used as an object to poke somone else.  Wow.
[20:23] <sebner> LaserJock: just ubuntu-archive if you are MOTU
[20:24] <LaserJock> sadly no, not any more
[20:24] <ajmitch_> hello LaserJock  :)
[20:24] <ajmitch_> why aren't you still MOTU?
[20:24] <BlackZ> sebner: ah, if you're not an Ubuntu developer do you need to subscribe "ubuntu-sponsors" first?
[20:24] <Rhonda> lucidfox: Why would I shoot you?
[20:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: because I gave up the good life ;-)
[20:24] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: such a shame
[20:24] <maco> lucidfox: i used feisty plenty, just not with kde
[20:24] <LaserJock> well, if I ever get the free time I'll be back
[20:24] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: think of all the fame & money that came with it
[20:25] <nigelb> maco: tabfail?
[20:25] <maco> nigelb: yes
[20:25] <LaserJock> it shouldn't be too hard to get upload rights back I'd think
[20:25] <maco> LaserJock: what i said to lucidfox
[20:25] <Rhonda> nigelb: I could also poke you with lucidfox. Same thing, different order. :)
[20:25] <LaserJock> although all these newfangled stuff you guys use
[20:25] <nigelb> LaserJock: now you found a sponsor *cough* ajmitch_  *cough*
[20:25] <maco> LaserJock: nah its not
[20:25] <nigelb> Rhonda: haha
[20:25] <LaserJock> this launchpad and apport thingy-ma-jiggies
[20:26] <maco> LaserJock: crimsun was told to just email the dmb when he wanted his core dev rights back
[20:26] <nigelb> launchpad and bzr thingy you mean?
[20:26] <BlackZ> sebner: I mean for packages removal requests
[20:26] <LaserJock> maco: well, yeah, that's *crimsun*
[20:26] <nigelb> LaserJock: +1
[20:26] <sebner> BlackZ: yeah
[20:26] <BlackZ> then: <BlackZ> LaserJock: don't forgot to subscribe "ubuntu-archive" to the bug <- LaserJock: don't forgot to subscribe "ubuntu-sponsors" to the bug :P
[20:27] <ajmitch_> maco: crimsun could just wave his hand & get upload rights back
[20:27] <Rhonda> nigelb: At least lucidfox did know what it's about. :)
[20:27] <LaserJock> ok, well, somebody look at bug #638365
[20:28] <BlackZ> thanks sebner :)
[20:28] <nigelb> Rhonda: she knew when I just said "poke" ;)
[20:28] <LaserJock> us mere mortals would have to grovel before the mighty <insert current committee>
[20:28] <sebner> BlackZ: yw
[20:28] <nigelb> LaserJock: haha
[20:29] <maco> LaserJock: dmb. developer membership board.
[20:29] <LaserJock> good grief
[20:29] <LaserJock> my brain immediately reads that as "dumb"
[20:29] <Rhonda> nigelb: Oh.
[20:29] <LaserJock> .... anyway
[20:31] <LaserJock> is Emmet still around?
[20:32] <nigelb> LaserJock: dmb member :)
[20:33] <vish> LaserJock: purrsia with an e , is still around .. ;)
[20:33]  * nigelb removes an 'r'
[20:33] <vish> but it does purr that way! ;p
[20:33] <nigelb> haha
[20:35] <c_korn> "+dh_auto_install" <-- what does the plus sign do ?
[20:41] <sebner> ari-tczew: congratulations! Btw, I think I accidently visited your MOTU application *Edit* site ¬_¬
[20:41] <ari-tczew> sebner: thanks :)
[20:42] <bilalakhtar> Congrats ari-tczew ! (3rd time)
[20:42] <fabrice_sp> congrats ari-tczew and bilalakhtar!
[20:42] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: evening and congrats to you too
[20:42] <bilalakhtar> oh, fabrice_sp knows!
[20:42] <bilalakhtar> hey tumbleweed !
[20:42] <fabrice_sp> yep ;-)
[20:42] <sebner> bilalakhtar: you too congratulations
[20:42] <fabrice_sp> I read the meeting log
[20:42] <bilalakhtar> thanks sebner !
[20:42] <ari-tczew> thanks fabrice_sp
[20:43] <bilalakhtar> my discussion went on for 20 whole minutes
[20:43] <tumbleweed> will someone tell the ubuntu weekly news people about the new members?
[20:43] <ari-tczew> omg, we are making circle of mutual adoration :P
[20:43] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ping akgraner and she'll do it
[20:44] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: your nickname color has been changed, from blue to golden
[20:44] <bilalakhtar> huh? thanks, btw
[20:44]  * fabrice_sp has ari-tczew in gold in pidgin
[20:44] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[20:44] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: did my nickname got other color in the past?
[20:45] <ari-tczew> are there any depends?
[20:45] <fabrice_sp> I just began to use pidgin yesterday, and din't check before
[20:47] <vish> tumbleweed: i believe the new members are sent to the news team by the chair..
[20:48] <bilalakhtar> BTW, is there something wrong with the lp janitor? I fixed a bug around 15 minutes ago, still no response, that's not all. yesterday an FTBFS bug also wasn't auto-closed
[20:50] <tumbleweed> vish: I've seen that with regional boards, but DMB doesn't seem to do it
[20:50] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: yes still broken
[20:50] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: :(
[20:50] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: I set fixes manually in bug 598184
[20:51] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: ^
[20:51] <bilalakhtar> ah
[20:51] <vish> tumbleweed: yeah, the last meeting i recall akgraner telling the dmb about that.. to make sure they sent the new members list
[20:51]  * bilalakhtar also closes his bug manually
[20:51] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew: I forgot to close it in the changelog?
[20:51] <fabrice_sp> it's possible
[20:51] <bilalakhtar> Even if you close it in the changelog, it won't close
[20:52] <bilalakhtar> That's a bug with LP
[20:52]  * fabrice_sp is working on NBS, and has been doing a lot of uploads lately
[20:52] <bilalakhtar> bye, people
[20:52] <bilalakhtar> will leave now
[20:52] <fabrice_sp> bye
[20:52] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: LP: was included in debian/changelog
[20:52] <ari-tczew> I wonder when Bhavani Shankar will be approved.
[20:53] <BlackZ> fabrice_sp: thanks for merging it :)
[20:54] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: bug 634045
[20:54] <bilalakhtar> Thanks
[20:54] <fabrice_sp> BlackZ: hey :-) It was in the middle of a NBS
[21:45] <ari-tczew> can I use syncpackage script if I'm not in ubuntu-sponsors?
[21:47] <Laney> yes
[21:47] <Laney> but colin has been running syncs daily
[21:47] <Laney> so there's really no reason to use it over the proper way now
[21:48] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: you only need to be in sponsors to unsubscribe sponsors
[22:06] <ari-tczew> Laney: I understand, but I want to try use syncpackage personally. I'm a fresh MOTU and I want to test my privileges. :)
[22:08] <Laney> acking a sync is still exercising your privileges
[22:10] <Laney> why not sponsor a merge or something else?
[22:12] <ari-tczew> sponsoring merge takes more time
[22:24] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you prepare a correct debdiff for bug 602896 ?
[22:52] <nigelb> Announcement to all: we'd like to see sugestions on what would be interesting for a packaging training session.  Since james_w is going to be taking it, sky's the limit :p
[22:52] <james_w> heh
[23:01] <Laney> "how to update the kernel"
[23:02] <kklimonda> james_w: I'd love to hear something new about UDD but that's probably outside of the training's scope
[23:02] <james_w> kklimonda: well, I can explain how to do various things using UDD
[23:03] <kklimonda> james_w: for example why some branches have patches applied and others don't - is it related to source format?
[23:03] <nigelb> Laney: topic selection at james_w's discretion
[23:04] <Laney> :P
[23:04]  * Laney was trolling a touch
[23:04] <nigelb> kklimonda: I don't think its outside the scope
[23:04] <james_w> kklimonda: it is, yes
[23:05] <kklimonda> james_w: oh, I know - a good technical Q&A session about UDD would be great.. if we manage to get enough questions.
[23:06] <kklimonda> for example how to deal with merging upstream tarballs when they modify a file that is already patched by quilt..
[23:07]  * kklimonda had this problem two days ago and managed to get it working but not without some guesswork
[23:08] <james_w> kklimonda: maybe you could explain how to do that to me :-)
[23:09] <nigelb> heh
[23:11] <kklimonda> james_w: in my case the upstream changes didn't break patch so all I had to do was.. well, quilt complained that patch doesn't unapply cleanly.. so what I've done was.. I have no idea, that's why I called it a guesswork :)
[23:12] <kklimonda> I can take a look if you are interested
[23:12] <james_w> heh
[23:12] <james_w> I'm not sure I've ever done it myself
[23:12] <nigelb> kklimonda: I guess you modified the quilt patch
[23:12] <nigelb> I think I did it once
[23:13] <kklimonda> nigelb: yeah, that may be it
[23:38] <RainCT> Is there some (good) way to call a method in the User D-Bus from within postinst?
[23:45] <kklimonda> RainCT: ugh, insanity this way lies ;)
[23:48] <RainCT> kklimonda: Heh. Yeah. The problem I have is, I'd be good to restart Zeitgeist after a) an upgrade, or b) another package installing an extension for it, otherwise stuff depending on the new version/extension will fail until it is restarted
[23:48] <debfx> tumbleweed: do you have time to sponsor another virtualbox merge? bug #637320
[23:48] <kklimonda> RainCT: so it's Firefox 2.0?
[23:48] <RainCT> lol
[23:49] <kklimonda> RainCT: maybe do something like that: make Zeitgeist look for /var/run/restart-required/zeitgeist (or whatever the real path is) and restart in case the file got updated.
[23:50] <kklimonda> RainCT: but that's something that should be done upstream..
[23:52] <RainCT> kklimonda: Yeah, that's probably the best option unless someone has a magical alternative.
[23:58] <RainCT> kklimonda: How would Zeitgeist delete that file though, if it's running with user privileges?
[23:58] <RainCT> :/
[23:59] <kklimonda> RainCT: it could store a ctime/mtime somewhere and compare it