[02:22] I'm trying to check my packages with piuparts, and I'm using a local mirror. When I run it with "--dist maverick", it dies after setting up the chroot with " E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes" and reports of unauthenticated packages. [02:22] Do I need to add a hook somewhere? [02:34] Nevermind, I created a pbuilder chroot and used that as the base and it worked. [02:36] :q! [02:37] lfaraone: Wrong window I think. [02:38] haha [02:38] ScottK: heh, yeah, oops [03:53] ScottK: got it, turtleart 98-1 will be dinstalled in a few hours. Per http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/turtleart/repos/mainline/blobs/master/NEWS , the jump from 96 to 98 was a bugfix-only release. [03:53] ScottK: do I now need to file a new sync request? [03:53] lfaraone: yes. [03:54] Doesn't need an FFe since it's bugfix only. [03:56] ScottK: bug 637735 is the magic number. [03:56] Launchpad bug 637735 in Ubuntu "Sync turtleart 98-1 (main), replacing turtleart 96-1 (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637735 [03:57] OK. It should get sync'ed through the normal process and then ping me when it's in new. === hannesw_ is now known as hannesw === tm_ is now known as tm === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [09:37] hello === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [10:18] Hello === Kmos_ is now known as Kmos === ivoks-afk is now known as ivoks === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk [11:53] Laney: Just saw your ack on coolbhavi's sync [11:54] that was fast [11:54] Laney: Don't you think coolbhavi comes on IRC only when he needs it? [11:54] bilalakhtar: I don't know and I'm not interested in mud slinging [11:55] Laney: ah okay [11:55] I can't say I follow peoples activity patterns === sweet is now known as faizul [12:33] ? === ivoks-afk is now known as ivoks [14:20] tumbleweed: ping [14:21] bilalakhtar: hi [14:21] tumbleweed: would you please be around during the meeting? [14:21] yes, I probably will be [14:22] Thanks a lot tumbleweed ! === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk === ivoks-afk is now known as ivoks [15:32] ScottK: So now you're a Zeitgeist fan? ;) [15:41] bilalakhtar: do you need have a special forces? [15:42] ari-tczew: what? [15:42] ari-tczew: lol, what do you mean to say? [15:42] bilalakhtar: getting sponsors for meeting [15:43] ari-tczew: I am getting two for myself, its your choice if you wish to [15:43] ari-tczew: but in many cases, its not needed [15:43] Don't be afraid, it's only my curiosity. [15:43] ari-tczew: you have far too many endorsements, which are like live soldiers! [15:44] ari-tczew: seems that bilalakhtar plans to invade the DMB [15:44] * tumbleweed tries to be present in DMB meetings when people I've endorsed are applying for roles [15:44] bilalakhtar: hahaha, 100% is not helpful for me :) [15:44] * bilalakhtar sees soo many highlights [15:45] ari-tczew: trust me, you will become one soon! and I'll support you [15:45] bilalakhtar seems keen to make sure everything will go well (possibly a little too keen :P ) [15:46] bilalakhtar: I'm counting on you :) [15:46] * bilalakhtar is counting on ari-tczew :D [15:47] * ari-tczew : let's listen to Depeche Mode [16:02] tumbleweed: wow, already endoresing eh? :) [16:03] highvoltage: the curse of being a busy sponsor [16:03] RainCT: Not particularly, but I trust your judgment and we don't want to release broken stuff. [16:03] tumbleweed: :) === jono is now known as jono-phone === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:13] tumbleweed: ping [17:13] bilalakhtar: pong [17:13] ari-tczew: congratulations and welcome to MOTU [17:13] tumbleweed: thanks :) [17:13] tumbleweed: ah, thats it, the meeting is going on, god will, my item shall come soon. Thanks thanks thanks! [17:14] bilalakhtar: I'm afraid I have to go offline in 10 mins or so [17:14] tumbleweed: no problem, seb128 will advocate me there, thanks for the wiki endorsement! === jono-phone is now known as jono [17:20] hi [17:21] hi frex__ [17:21] does anyone have any experiance with bzr-builddeb and quilt in merge mode? [17:21] i can't really figure it out [17:23] frex__: there is bzr bd-do command you can use [17:23] frex__: when you are done editing/preparing patch you exit shell with "exit 0" to copy back changes made in debian/ directory [17:24] kklimonda: i tried that but the patch stack does not get copied once i exit the subshell [17:24] ah, i have to copy them manually? [17:24] frex__: don't forget to bzr add the patch when you return [17:24] frex__: no, it should get copied back === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:25] tumbleweed: thanks, i'll try it again [17:25] frex__: you have configured your quilt to put the patches in debian/patches, right? [17:26] yes, i exported QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches [17:27] hmm, no clue (and must run away now) === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [17:45] tumbleweed: around? I became MOTU! [17:46] nice job bilalakhtar! [17:46] Thanks jcastro ! [18:34] where do we stand on freezes right now? [18:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule [18:35] directhex: Final Freeze should be in 2 days [18:36] so if i upload an urgent bugfix to monodevelop, does that get into the archive or sit in a queue? [18:41] directhex: depends on how invasive it is :) [18:41] but generally bug fix anytime is welcome except during freezes [18:42] well during final freeze if its release critical, of course its welcome [18:43] so to answer the question [18:43] the archive is open right now, no holding in any queues [18:44] ta Laney. just need to wait for MD 3ubuntu1 to land, then [18:44] followed by debugger-* reuploads [18:44] ubuntu1? [18:44] boo [18:44] Laney, moon [18:45] oh yeah, boo @ ftpmaster [18:46] Laney: Thanks for your help when I needed it, now I am MOTU [18:46] Laney, do we need mono -3? [18:46] bilalakhtar: Wasn't aware that I helped, but well done [18:47] directhex: errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [18:47] Laney: You helped me with a few changes :) [18:47] directhex: we might want those changes i guess [18:47] I really don't understand why that X509 one is important, but meebey says so [18:48] Laney, my sentiment is i dare a lot less about mono -3 than MD -3 [18:48] care [18:48] sebner likes merging mono [18:49] he does! he's a mono merging machine!" [18:49] * sebner is evidently the only one willing to wait and see if the test-build succeeds :P [18:50] test who? [18:50] heh [18:50] directhex: so, the usual changes? [18:50] sebner, yeah, same drill as usual ¬_¬ [18:50] sebner, i'll try to look at longomatch in exp today [18:51] directhex: kk, /me grabs source [18:51] directhex: no worries [18:54] sebner, really glad i got to the bottom of the monodevelop-debugger-mdb problem \o/ [18:54] directhex: what was it? [18:55] sebner, -keycontainer doesn't work, produces random keys. hence mismatched assembly key between compilation of MD and compilation of monodevelop-debugger-* [18:57] directhex: hurrdurr === jono_ is now known as jono [19:03] directhex: why didn't we have a release name for -2 btw? Testbuilding now .. [19:03] sebner, wasn't special enough [19:04] pfff [19:07] * sebner reads planet ubuntu and wonders about debian/source/options [19:10] Hi, I'd like to create packages for my in-house scripts, not for publishing or uploading. I don't need to conform to strict policies, just want to be able to install, remove and upgrade easilly a set of perl classes. What's the least effort guide available? [19:11] I started looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide and there are instructions specific for python and ruby, but not perl. Is perl simpler than those other languages? [19:26] who can approve user to ubuntu-sponsors? only dholbach? [19:33] multiverse question, is there any decent way to effectively remove a package from the archives? [19:33] directhex: btw, shouldn't MD 2.4 be in master trunk now that we upload to unstable instead of master-exp? Just noticed my vcs-location change isn't there [19:34] LaserJock: I guess it's the same with normal universe removal?! Just file a removal bug [19:34] ari-tczew: I think persia can too [19:34] sebner, yes, it should. i plan on doing a mass master-exp->master as soon as i suck less and stop hiding from git [19:34] LaserJock: don't forgot to subscribe "ubuntu-archive" to the bug [19:35] directhex: heh, kk. I was just wondering =) [19:35] sebner: but will that be effective throughout the entire archive? all releases [19:36] I remember it being policy to not remove packages from stable releases [19:36] LaserJock: nope, just the current devel version [19:36] right, I need a complete removal [19:36] I wondered if uploading empty packages as SRUs would be a decent idea [19:37] LaserJock: wow, license/copyright issue? [19:37] directhex: I think testbuild is at 30% \o/ [19:37] sebner needs moar mhz [19:37] directhex: ah, nonsense. It should be finished in a few minutes, xD [19:38] sebner: no quite that bad, the software currently breaks any upgrades and is hence a PR nightmare for the company involved [19:38] sebner: so they requested a removal [19:38] urgh [19:39] not package-to-package upgrades, system upgrades fail and you end up with a very broken system [19:39] * LaserJock mumbles something about the wonderful joys of Multiverse packaging ;-) [19:39] xD [19:40] LaserJock: wondering if I'm using it .. about what we are talking about? [19:40] doubt it, you'd know [19:40] userful-multiplier/desktop-multiplier [19:41] LaserJock: how come this breaks systems? [19:42] sebner: you're reading in my mind, that's what I was just asking :) [19:42] BlackZ: :) , do you know it? I've never heard of it before [19:43] +wanted [19:43] sebner: no [19:44] sebner: well, it essentially replaces Xorg and it apparently does some funky stuff after installs [19:44] omg [19:44] sebner: I did the original packaging in 2006 and it was a fairly nasty mess at the time [19:44] __Now__ I understand your desire to remove it [19:45] but apparently things start shifting in terms of versions they're building for and what we have [19:45] and so overall it's just kind of a mess [19:45] and people are reporting brokens systems [19:45] so it'd be nice to get rid of it if we can [19:46] and people are reporting brokens systems <- do you have any bug report that describes that problem? [19:46] BlackZ: bug #363313 for instance [19:46] Launchpad bug 363313 in userful-multiplier (Ubuntu) "error on install/upgrade: (EE) Not supported linux system" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363313 [19:49] LaserJock: Debian is affected by this bug as well? [19:49] heh [19:49] Debian wouldn't touch that package in a million years ;-) [19:50] LaserJock: so, did you ask its removal from Debian too? [19:50] * maco hugs LaserJock [19:50] LaserJock: or is it already removed from Debian? [19:50] LaserJock: havent seen you on irc in a LONG time [19:50] BlackZ: it's not *in* Debian [19:50] LaserJock: but in the past it was, right? [19:50] BlackZ: no [19:50] maco: yeah, it's been a while :-) [19:51] BlackZ: Evidently Debian was not foolish enough, unlike us, to accept it into the archive xD [19:52] well, it was an experiment [19:52] :-) [19:52] LaserJock: ah, it's just in Ubuntu, then: 1. why isn't "Ubuntu Developers" set as maintainer of the package? 2. why is there an "Uploaders" field in the debian/control file? [19:53] BlackZ: 1) because I wrote the packaging before Ubuntu Developers existed and 2)to allow for the company to have some sort of address [19:54] maco: still in DC? [19:54] is anyone familiar with debian oriented packaging online? I have a test suite that depends on en_US.utf8 locales being set, in Ubuntu we have language-pack-en-base that we can build-depend on to get locales generated before build. Is there something similar in Debian I could use? [19:54] LaserJock: yep, for now [19:54] LaserJock: last semester! done in dec! *happy dance* [19:54] maco: awesome [19:55] LaserJock: yes, it's an old package; however, "2)to allow for the company to have some sort of address" you can use the debian/control file for that as well as the debian/copyright file :) [19:55] kklimonda: locales-all [19:56] maco: after that? grad school? job? [19:56] BlackZ: sure, it's there too, we wanted something in the .dsc if possible [19:56] LaserJock: not grad school. i spent too much time ubuntuing and not enough studying to have the sort of gpa that gets one into grad school [19:56] heh [19:56] I can relate to that [19:56] LaserJock: I assume you don't update it from long time :) [19:57] s/from/since [19:57] no, not much [19:57] kklimonda: And in general, #debian-ubuntu on OFTC network might get you better answers. :) [19:57] I've done some SRUs [19:57] but haven't done much since [19:57] Rhonda: oh, right - I've completely forgotten about this one :) [19:57] Rhonda: can I build-depend on locales-all in Ubuntu? it's virtual package here [19:57] LaserJock: however, thanks for filing a removal request for it :) [19:58] kklimonda: You might want to chose locales-all | language-pack-en-base? [19:58] kklimonda: Tnoug, not sure wether that would work out as expected. [19:58] though. [19:58] Strange typing through the lag of full network bandwidth. [19:58] LaserJock: if that package does what you said then we should really remove it from our official repository [19:59] Rhonda: good idea, I'll see if that works as soon as I manage to create a pbuilder chroot with debian unstable :) [19:59] s/repository/repositories [19:59] kklimonda: If it fails, create one for squeeze, change sources.list and do an --upgrade. [20:02] bilalakhtar: i got accepted into bug control ;) [20:03] shadeslayer: Congrats! [20:03] thanks [20:03] BlackZ: well, that'd be the idea, we'll see what ubuntu-archive things [20:03] *thinks [20:06] Hi, I'd like to create packages for my in-house scripts, not for publishing or uploading. I don't need to conform to strict policies, just want to be able to install, remove and upgrade easilly a set of perl classes. What's the least effort guide available? [20:07] good grief, what was 8.04's code name? [20:07] * LaserJock is definitely a little rusty [20:07] hardy [20:07] * maco hands LaserJock the Tin Man's oil can [20:08] * LaserJock sniffles in the corner with his 2006 copy of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide [20:10] * shadeslayer hands maco a Kubuntu 7.04 CD [20:13] i think i used that for like..maybe an hour [20:15] gutsy? [20:15] wait, feisty [20:16] 'name that release' game? ;p [20:17] lucidfox: poke? :) [20:17] nigelb> I know, I know I've been terribly slacking [20:18] lucidfox: heh, I'm guilty myself :) [20:18] but *right now* I've just reinstalled Ubuntu and should be going to sleep already -_- [20:18] lucidfox: later then :) [20:22] sebner: can I just subscribe ubuntu-archive to the removal bug or do I need some sort of sponsorship first? [20:22] * Rhonda pokes lucidfox with nigelb [20:23] * nigelb blinks [20:23] Rhonda> I'll get to it tomorrow! I would now actually, but... really need to sleep. If not, you can shoot me! [20:23] I'm now being used as an object to poke somone else. Wow. [20:23] LaserJock: just ubuntu-archive if you are MOTU [20:24] sadly no, not any more [20:24] hello LaserJock :) [20:24] why aren't you still MOTU? [20:24] sebner: ah, if you're not an Ubuntu developer do you need to subscribe "ubuntu-sponsors" first? [20:24] lucidfox: Why would I shoot you? [20:24] ajmitch_: because I gave up the good life ;-) [20:24] LaserJock: such a shame [20:24] lucidfox: i used feisty plenty, just not with kde [20:24] well, if I ever get the free time I'll be back [20:24] LaserJock: think of all the fame & money that came with it [20:25] maco: tabfail? [20:25] nigelb: yes [20:25] it shouldn't be too hard to get upload rights back I'd think [20:25] LaserJock: what i said to lucidfox [20:25] nigelb: I could also poke you with lucidfox. Same thing, different order. :) [20:25] although all these newfangled stuff you guys use [20:25] LaserJock: now you found a sponsor *cough* ajmitch_ *cough* [20:25] LaserJock: nah its not [20:25] Rhonda: haha [20:25] this launchpad and apport thingy-ma-jiggies [20:26] LaserJock: crimsun was told to just email the dmb when he wanted his core dev rights back [20:26] launchpad and bzr thingy you mean? [20:26] sebner: I mean for packages removal requests [20:26] maco: well, yeah, that's *crimsun* [20:26] LaserJock: +1 [20:26] BlackZ: yeah [20:26] then: LaserJock: don't forgot to subscribe "ubuntu-archive" to the bug <- LaserJock: don't forgot to subscribe "ubuntu-sponsors" to the bug :P [20:27] maco: crimsun could just wave his hand & get upload rights back [20:27] nigelb: At least lucidfox did know what it's about. :) [20:27] ok, well, somebody look at bug #638365 [20:28] Launchpad bug 638365 in userful-multiplier (Ubuntu) "Please remove userful-multiplier from Multiverse" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/638365 [20:28] thanks sebner :) [20:28] Rhonda: she knew when I just said "poke" ;) [20:28] us mere mortals would have to grovel before the mighty [20:28] BlackZ: yw [20:28] LaserJock: haha [20:29] LaserJock: dmb. developer membership board. [20:29] good grief [20:29] my brain immediately reads that as "dumb" [20:29] nigelb: Oh. [20:29] .... anyway [20:31] is Emmet still around? === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [20:32] LaserJock: dmb member :) [20:33] LaserJock: purrsia with an e , is still around .. ;) [20:33] * nigelb removes an 'r' [20:33] but it does purr that way! ;p [20:33] haha === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk [20:35] "+dh_auto_install" <-- what does the plus sign do ? [20:41] ari-tczew: congratulations! Btw, I think I accidently visited your MOTU application *Edit* site ¬_¬ [20:41] sebner: thanks :) [20:42] Congrats ari-tczew ! (3rd time) [20:42] congrats ari-tczew and bilalakhtar! [20:42] bilalakhtar: evening and congrats to you too [20:42] oh, fabrice_sp knows! [20:42] hey tumbleweed ! [20:42] yep ;-) [20:42] bilalakhtar: you too congratulations [20:42] I read the meeting log [20:42] thanks sebner ! [20:42] thanks fabrice_sp [20:43] my discussion went on for 20 whole minutes [20:43] will someone tell the ubuntu weekly news people about the new members? [20:43] omg, we are making circle of mutual adoration :P [20:43] tumbleweed: ping akgraner and she'll do it [20:44] bilalakhtar: your nickname color has been changed, from blue to golden [20:44] huh? thanks, btw [20:44] * fabrice_sp has ari-tczew in gold in pidgin [20:44] :-) [20:44] fabrice_sp: did my nickname got other color in the past? [20:45] are there any depends? [20:45] I just began to use pidgin yesterday, and din't check before [20:47] tumbleweed: i believe the new members are sent to the news team by the chair.. [20:48] BTW, is there something wrong with the lp janitor? I fixed a bug around 15 minutes ago, still no response, that's not all. yesterday an FTBFS bug also wasn't auto-closed [20:50] vish: I've seen that with regional boards, but DMB doesn't seem to do it [20:50] bilalakhtar: yes still broken [20:50] tumbleweed: :( [20:50] fabrice_sp: I set fixes manually in bug 598184 [20:50] Launchpad bug 598184 in cynthiune.app (Ubuntu) "Please merge cynthiune.app 0.9.5-10 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598184 [20:51] bilalakhtar: ^ [20:51] ah [20:51] tumbleweed: yeah, the last meeting i recall akgraner telling the dmb about that.. to make sure they sent the new members list [20:51] * bilalakhtar also closes his bug manually [20:51] ari-tczew: I forgot to close it in the changelog? [20:51] it's possible [20:51] Even if you close it in the changelog, it won't close [20:52] That's a bug with LP [20:52] * fabrice_sp is working on NBS, and has been doing a lot of uploads lately [20:52] bye, people [20:52] will leave now [20:52] bye [20:52] fabrice_sp: LP: was included in debian/changelog [20:52] I wonder when Bhavani Shankar will be approved. [20:53] fabrice_sp: thanks for merging it :) [20:54] bilalakhtar: bug 634045 [20:54] Launchpad bug 634045 in Soyuz "Regression: Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed header no longer works" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634045 [20:54] Thanks [20:54] BlackZ: hey :-) It was in the middle of a NBS [21:45] can I use syncpackage script if I'm not in ubuntu-sponsors? [21:47] yes [21:47] but colin has been running syncs daily [21:47] so there's really no reason to use it over the proper way now [21:48] ari-tczew: you only need to be in sponsors to unsubscribe sponsors === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch === mdeslaur_ is now known as mdeslaur [22:06] Laney: I understand, but I want to try use syncpackage personally. I'm a fresh MOTU and I want to test my privileges. :) [22:08] acking a sync is still exercising your privileges [22:10] why not sponsor a merge or something else? [22:12] sponsoring merge takes more time [22:24] tumbleweed: could you prepare a correct debdiff for bug 602896 ? [22:24] Launchpad bug 602896 in procps (Ubuntu) "Fails to update in pbuilder: start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602896 [22:52] Announcement to all: we'd like to see sugestions on what would be interesting for a packaging training session. Since james_w is going to be taking it, sky's the limit :p [22:52] heh [23:01] "how to update the kernel" [23:02] james_w: I'd love to hear something new about UDD but that's probably outside of the training's scope [23:02] kklimonda: well, I can explain how to do various things using UDD === isaac is now known as Intrusion [23:03] james_w: for example why some branches have patches applied and others don't - is it related to source format? [23:03] Laney: topic selection at james_w's discretion [23:04] :P [23:04] * Laney was trolling a touch [23:04] kklimonda: I don't think its outside the scope [23:04] kklimonda: it is, yes [23:05] james_w: oh, I know - a good technical Q&A session about UDD would be great.. if we manage to get enough questions. [23:06] for example how to deal with merging upstream tarballs when they modify a file that is already patched by quilt.. [23:07] * kklimonda had this problem two days ago and managed to get it working but not without some guesswork [23:08] kklimonda: maybe you could explain how to do that to me :-) [23:09] heh [23:11] james_w: in my case the upstream changes didn't break patch so all I had to do was.. well, quilt complained that patch doesn't unapply cleanly.. so what I've done was.. I have no idea, that's why I called it a guesswork :) [23:12] I can take a look if you are interested [23:12] heh [23:12] I'm not sure I've ever done it myself [23:12] kklimonda: I guess you modified the quilt patch [23:12] I think I did it once [23:13] nigelb: yeah, that may be it [23:38] Is there some (good) way to call a method in the User D-Bus from within postinst? === emma_ is now known as emma [23:45] RainCT: ugh, insanity this way lies ;) [23:48] kklimonda: Heh. Yeah. The problem I have is, I'd be good to restart Zeitgeist after a) an upgrade, or b) another package installing an extension for it, otherwise stuff depending on the new version/extension will fail until it is restarted [23:48] tumbleweed: do you have time to sponsor another virtualbox merge? bug #637320 [23:48] Launchpad bug 637320 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) "Merge virtualbox-ose 3.2.8-dfsg-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637320 [23:48] RainCT: so it's Firefox 2.0? [23:48] lol [23:49] RainCT: maybe do something like that: make Zeitgeist look for /var/run/restart-required/zeitgeist (or whatever the real path is) and restart in case the file got updated. [23:50] RainCT: but that's something that should be done upstream.. [23:52] kklimonda: Yeah, that's probably the best option unless someone has a magical alternative. [23:58] kklimonda: How would Zeitgeist delete that file though, if it's running with user privileges? [23:58] :/ [23:59] RainCT: it could store a ctime/mtime somewhere and compare it