[00:30] <Craigwdy2k> Well: I have some great news: I just tried the AMD64 Xubuntu Alternate Installer 10.10 Beta 1 LiveCD & this time I ended up with an actual AMD64 distro.  It appears to work fine except for the Bluetooth icon that was present before is mysteriously missing...
[00:31] <emvee> what version did you install before craig?
[00:36] <Craigwdy2k> i386 Xubuntu 10.10 Beta 1.  I tried both of the GUI based AMD64 Installers for Xubuntu (i.e. 10.04 & 10.10 Beta 1) but they wouldn't boot this particular PC laptop without issues...
[00:38] <Craigwdy2k> Strange considering I had no issues booting previously from both the AMD64 Kubuntu 10.04 & 10.10 Alpha 3 DVDs...
[00:40] <Craigwdy2k> The Kubuntu 10.04 DVD even offered to fix my broken Windows XP Pro. SP 3 install when I mistakenly ran it in LiveDVD mode...
[00:43] <Craigwdy2k> It felt as thought I had just burned two defective LiveCDs in a row or the CRC MD5SUMs didn't match whatever they should've been...
[00:43] <Craigwdy2k> though*
[00:47] <Craigwdy2k> This PC Laptop's optical drive has been acting quite strangely lately though: it can play the Animusic Special Edition Dual Layer DVD in VLC 1.0.5 under Windows 7 x64 but yet it seemed to have trouble playing the Animusic 2 Dual Layer DVD despite my upgrading the optical drive's firmware to RPC-II first too...
[00:50] <Craigwdy2k> Should I consider replacing the optical drive...?  I can't even update it due to various issues like not knowing if my Windows XP Pro. SP 3 install will run right under WINE (an unofficial Patch for Windows XP previously caused it to get stuck in a infinite reboot loop...).
[00:54] <Craigwdy2k> The firmware updater is Windows based: the laptop's optical drive is a LG GSA-T20L (a LG GSA-T50L in OEM clothing...)...
[00:59] <Craigwdy2k> I also need to find a way to make the invisible .wine folder in my User Directory visible so I can load the firmware file into MediaCodeSpeedEdit for RPC-II patching...
[01:00] <subspider> !files
[01:00] <ubottu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview  see also: man hier
[01:02] <Craigwdy2k> Strange: that page doesn't even mention the existence of invisible folders in your Home Directory...
[01:03] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, you want to chage propeties of folder right ??
[01:03] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah.
[01:03] <subspider> from hidden to show
[01:04] <subspider> ??
[01:04] <Craigwdy2k> Yes.
[01:04] <subspider> why
[01:04] <subspider> ??
[01:05] <Craigwdy2k> The firmware files get unpacked into either the NTFS partition or the virtual C Drive but I'm not sure since I have no experience at all with using WINE with a real install of Windows...
[01:06] <subspider> wine is to emulate some windows programs
[01:06] <subspider> not all
[01:07] <subspider> is not vmware
[01:07] <subspider> .wine is folder with wine confis
[01:07] <subspider> virtual c drive is just a folder
[01:08] <subspider> so no ntfs
[01:08] <Craigwdy2k> Yes: if they got unpacked into that .wine folder I might be able to manipulate the firmware file...  The other option would be to use Universal Extractor to force unpack the InstallShield packed Installer...
[01:10] <subspider> if run installer normally he install on virtual c but you can run the program on NTFS partition if it is already installed on a windows partition
[01:11] <subspider> to show the hidden file just press ctrl + h
[01:12] <subspider> to have the folder viewble just take the . out
[01:13] <subspider> imagine if i create folder ".lol" is hdden
[01:13] <subspider> but folder "lol" is not hidden
[01:14] <subspider> hope i answered you question Craigwdy2k
[01:14] <Craigwdy2k> The other issue is I can't get NTFS-3G to mount my FireWire External 80 GB LaCie Hard Drive...  I'd love to have access to all of my Downloads & Documents...  If I could convince NTFS-3G to mount my real C Drive or my External Hard Drive I would be able to get actual work done in Linux.  I had this very same issue in Kubuntu 10.04 & Fedora Core 13...
[01:16] <subspider> so actually your issue is mounting drives??
[01:16] <subspider> !mount
[01:16] <ubottu> mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[01:17] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah: they refuse to mount properly: somebody in #kubuntu claimed it was just X being dumb...  I don't know if that's it or if my particular FireWire chipset has Linux compatibility issues or what the deal is...
[01:20] <Craigwdy2k> This makes me wonder if I could mount the XP Pro SP 3 partition by editing /etc/fstab...: I keep seeing it in the GRUB boot-up menu but both KDE 4 & XCFE refuse to automount it correctly...
[01:22] <subspider> ok
[01:23] <subspider> let me see you want to mount windows partitions
[01:23] <subspider> ??
[01:23] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah.
[01:23] <subspider> on same disk
[01:23] <subspider> ??
[01:23] <Craigwdy2k> Yeah.
[01:24] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, are u suing xubuntu
[01:24] <subspider> ??
[01:25] <subspider> sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[01:25] <Craigwdy2k> Yes: These hardware related issues keep making my wonder if there's an XFCE equivalent for KInfoCenter too...
[01:26] <subspider> Craigwdy2k,  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab
[01:26] <subspider> normally i use that and it works grate since i shutdown my windows well
[01:27] <subspider> if you want to use kde services on xfce you can
[01:28] <subspider> Aplications > defenitions > mager xfce >session > advanced >
[01:29] <subspider> and check initiate KDE services on start
[01:35] <subspider> how to include path plz someone help
[01:35] <subspider> ???
[01:44] <Craigwdy2k> I just checked that definitions Menu doesn't exist...: maybe we're running different versions of XFCE...
[01:47] <Craigwdy2k> Subspider: I just checked that definitions Menu doesn't exist...: maybe we're running different versions of XFCE...
[01:48] <subspider> hm
[01:48] <subspider> strange
[01:48] <subspider> are you using xubuntu
[01:48] <subspider> ??
[01:48] <Craigwdy2k> Yes.
[01:49] <subspider> you must have it
[01:49] <subspider> wait
[01:51] <subspider> my menu is in other language
[01:51] <subspider> go to application
[01:51] <subspider> then
[01:51] <subspider> defenitions
[01:52] <subspider> xfce 4 defentions manager
[01:53] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, did you found it
[01:53] <subspider> ??
[01:54] <Craigwdy2k> No.  Subspider: I would think it would naturally be under either the Settings or Accessories Menus but it isn't in either of them...
[01:54] <subspider> no
[01:54] <subspider> ok i will take print screen
[02:04] <subspider> Craigwdy2k, if you click ok applications the second options form up to down can you tell me what is it??
[02:07] <Craigwdy2k> It's Accessories Subspider; I also just found this interesting bugs report page: http://bit.ly/aqeabN.  This is not looking too good for me at all...
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[02:11] <subspider> i think i can't help you Craigwdy2k
[02:11] <subspider> sorry
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[04:02] <Ekushey> what is the minimum hardware requirements for xubuntu?
[04:02] <Ekushey> will it run on a 500 MHz machine?
[04:10] <likemindead> Yes, Ekushey.
[04:10] <likemindead> RAM is more important.
[04:10] <likemindead> How much do you have?
[04:16] <Ekushey> likemindead 256 MB
[04:17] <Ekushey> I hope the CPU clock speed will not be a big problem?
[04:17] <likemindead> If you can bump the RAM up to at least 512 it'll be okay.
[04:18] <Ekushey> should I try the alternate installer CD then, likemindead?
[04:19] <likemindead> Yeah, you can. It will install. Just don't expect too much. Firefox will be sluggish and no YouTube, etc.
[04:20] <Ekushey> no youtube? can't I install flash plugin on xubuntu?
[04:20] <Ekushey> or is that youtube doesn't work on PCs with low memory?
[04:22] <likemindead> Right, not enough memory. It'll be choppy at best.
[04:23] <Ekushey> oh ok, let me at least try :)
[04:23] <Ekushey> thanks for talking to me, likemindead
[04:24] <likemindead> Sure thing.
[04:28] <Ekushey> oh one more question likemindead: the installation process, is it GUI based, or text based?
[04:29] <likemindead> I haven't used an Alternate CD in a couple of years...
[04:29] <Ekushey> what about the standard one?
[04:30] <likemindead> Yes, the regular Xubuntu install has a lovely GUI.
[04:30] <Ekushey> that's great :)  thanks again
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[14:53] <changbing> hello, I am using xubuntu 10.10 alpha 3, it is wonderful. but I can not play video clip in firefox browser,what shall I do now?
[14:55] <changbing> neither can I play audio clip with firefox browser. I confirm that the soundcard driver is properly installed since I can play music with VLC.
[15:05] <knome> !ubuntu+1
[15:05] <ubottu> Maverick Meerkat is the codename for Ubuntu 10.10 - Maverick is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1
[16:21] <slow-motion> hi
[17:12] <knome> skit-lasse, i don't know if it's a script saying 'hi' every time you join or just you, but could you please stop that script/habit? it makes people think there might be somebody needing support in the channel continuously. thanks.
[17:12] <knome> skit-lasse, oops, sorry :)
[17:12] <knome> slow-motion, see my message two lines ago
[17:12] <knome> skit-lasse, anyway, maybe try rethinkin your nick, i don't really think it's so nice...
[17:42] <skit-lasse> yeah
[17:42] <skit-lasse> i know
[17:43] <skit-lasse> but i have been using it now quite many years, and i think that only scandidavian people will understand it
[17:43] <skit-lasse> but anyhow, i donät know why i even still hang in this channel
[17:45] <knome> skit-lasse, there is lots of scandinavian people here, and it's not really about majorities or minorities
[17:46] <skit-lasse> you are right
[17:46] <skit-lasse> i have actually thinking altering my nick
[17:46] <skit-lasse> i have one in my mind already
[17:47] <knome> skit-lasse, okay, thanks :)
[17:51] <slow-motion> bye
[18:49] <xubuntu653> hi all
[18:50] <likemindead> !hi | xubuntu653
[18:50] <ubottu> xubuntu653: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[22:42] <gverig> Stupid question... For laptop OS, desktop, primary machine, developer (java/C++/other), some browsing and what not- what do you think is better between [XK]*ubuntu
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu, of course
[22:46] <charlie-tca> How much RAM, what speed CPU, etc?
[22:54] <gverig> charlie-tca: core i5, 8G ram, SSD drive, decent graphics
[22:54] <gverig> Probably multimonitor setup while in the doc
[22:55] <Sysi> gverig: there's only one true anver to that, and you should know it
[22:55] <gverig> charlie-tca: Funnly, #ubuntu says Gnome FTW... it's almost like vested interest ;)
[22:55] <Sysi> what even you like the most
[22:55] <gverig> But I'd like reasoning, if possible )
[22:55] <gverig> :)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Won't make any difference, will it?
[22:55] <charlie-tca> personal choice
[22:55] <Sysi> if you got hdd, get al three desktops
[22:56] <Sysi> *ssd, space i mean
[22:56] <gverig> Yeah... I am trying to save meself some time. I have tried both at different times and settled on Gnome. I guess I was wondering if anything has changed since then
[22:58] <gverig> Sysi: I got it. It's more an issue of time rather than space. I don't want all 3 in the same partition (cause they tend to mess up menus and what not). And I'm not ready to spend a week trying them out (cause that's at least what it'll take).
[22:58] <gverig> I was looking for an easy ansewr and I guess there isn't one )
[22:58] <gverig> :)
[23:01] <charlie-tca> The easy answer is dependent on the amount of RAM and the CPU. With your machine, there should be very little real difference
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[23:58] <e__> hola