| ScottK | lex79: Start of Thursday sometime. Exact time is undefined (it's when announced), but don't assume you can do stuff Thursday night. | 00:05 |
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| lex79 | ok thanks ScottK | 00:05 |
| * ScottK is updating quassel to 0.7.0 final. | 00:05 | |
| Sput | \o/ | 00:06 |
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| ScottK | Sput: Uploaded. | 01:01 |
| * ScottK even remembers to update the bzr. | 01:02 | |
| Sput | thx! | 01:09 |
| maco | uhhh | 01:37 |
| maco | O_o | 01:37 |
| maco | shouldnt systemsettings -> information sources be where i configure akonadi stuff? | 01:37 |
| maco | instead it just shows stuff about HAL | 01:37 |
| lex79 | akonadi stuff was removed from systemsettings since 4.4 iirc | 01:42 |
| maco | hrmph. my apt is weird | 01:48 |
| maco | it tells me akonadi-kde-resource-googledata doesnt exist, but rmadison disagrees | 01:49 |
| maco | and yes, i ran apt-get update | 01:49 |
| ScottK | Got Universe enabled? | 02:17 |
| ScottK | Quassel 0.7.0 should hit archive.ubuntu.com in ~7 minutes. I would appreciate it if someone who knows enough Italian to know the difference would check both quassel and quassel-qt to see if Italian plural forms are correct. There were some warnings in the build log that concern me. | 02:38 |
| lex79 | ScottK: I can check, but where should I see? | 02:52 |
| ScottK | lex79: Just using quassel in Italian. | 02:53 |
| lex79 | ok | 02:53 |
| ScottK | lex79: Just make sure you have 0.7.0. | 02:54 |
| lex79 | ok I will do | 02:54 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 02:54 |
| ScottK | The if that's good, install quassel-qt and try it .... | 02:55 |
| ScottK | The/Then | 02:55 |
| ScottK | lex79: I'm unlikely to have anymore -workspace changes, so don't wait on me (if you still are). | 02:56 |
| lex79 | ScottK: I've just upload -workspace | 02:57 |
| lex79 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2 | 02:57 |
| ScottK | OK. Good. | 02:57 |
| lex79 | but I didn't receveid email | 02:57 |
| ScottK | It's there, so it was accepted. | 02:58 |
| lex79 | ah yes, I receipt it :) | 02:59 |
| ScottK | lex79: Is the oxygen change you included in the -workspace upload the same as the one discussed in http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/09/performance-issues-one-script-and-call.html ? | 03:01 |
| lex79 | ScottK: yes and the performance here is improved, finally :) | 03:03 |
| ScottK | lex79: OK. Great. I was watching for that one. | 03:03 |
| lex79 | me too, it's something we wanted in our final release I think | 03:04 |
| ScottK | Definitely. | 03:04 |
| maco | ScottK: yes | 03:31 |
| maco | ScottK: oh wait. hmm.... maybe only for updates | 03:31 |
| maco | wish id caught that a week ago *sigh* | 03:32 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 03:33 |
| nixternal | wonder if i can wear an ubuntu shirt to oprah tomorrow? | 04:12 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) | 04:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | why not | 04:17 |
| nixternal | damn, just found out you can't...no logos, not hats | 04:18 |
| nixternal | damn, i need to wear a hat. i shaved my head a bit to much this go round | 04:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | lol | 04:19 |
| nixternal | i look like bull from night court | 04:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 04:20 |
| ScottK | nixternal: New mesa should be in Maverick now, so you should be good. | 04:21 |
| nixternal | has it been released yet? | 04:22 |
| nixternal | what i am dealing with now is pretty bad | 04:22 |
| nixternal | frack, now I am being told I can't even wear jeans | 04:23 |
| nixternal | you would swear I was going to church or something tomorrow | 04:23 |
| nixternal | oh wait, i kind of am, oprah is black jesus! | 04:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL | 04:25 |
| maco | nixternal: except that i consider jeans perfectly reasonable attire for church | 05:22 |
| maco | also, black t shirts with punk bands' or ska bands' names on the front | 05:22 |
| maco | my dad disagrees on christmas eve though :( i only ever brought back that kind of stuff when visiting, so one year im like "look, i have no skirts and no dress pants. best i can do is wear $brother's dress pants" to which my sister objecting (zomg! crossdressing!) | 05:23 |
| maco | uhh... uh oh | 05:29 |
| maco | i think we got problem | 05:29 |
| maco | you know how we're using an old version of kmail? well... when i open up kontact and click on mail, it doesnt embed kmail inside kontact. it opens a new window for kmail | 05:29 |
| ScottK | nixternal: It should be available in the archive now. | 06:18 |
| ScottK | apachelogger, Riddell, JontheEchidna, any other kubuntu-dev I forgot because it's late.... rbelem has some kde4libs/-workspace changes he needs pushed tomorrow for kubuntu-mobile, I'll be offline. Good luck. | 06:19 |
| \sh | uhm kubuntu-desktop : Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin but it is not going to be installed ... it's build and ready for delivery..what's wrong? | 07:48 |
| Nightrose | agateau: seems to work out btw - thanks so much | 08:52 |
| agateau | Nightrose: great to hear! hope you have a nice time in Paris | 08:52 |
| Nightrose | i sure will :D | 08:52 |
| valorie | Paris! | 08:55 |
| valorie | jealousy.... | 08:55 |
| valorie | :-) | 08:55 |
| Nightrose | :D | 08:56 |
| debfx | ScottK: re Debian Bug #596853: are you sure that bug is valid? it's not fixed upstream and I can't find an upstream bug report | 09:18 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 596853 in qtmobility-dev "qtmobility-dev: /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/mobilityconfig.prf points to multimedia instead of multimediakit" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/596853 | 09:18 |
| debfx | agateau: the amarok patch is in the archive, have you also sent it upstream? | 09:43 |
| agateau | debfx: not yet, will do | 09:45 |
| agateau | debfx: thanks | 09:45 |
| debfx | Riddell: do you have time to review a patch for bug #624697 ? | 10:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 624697 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Qt Docs are not formatted in Qt Assistant" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624697 | 10:05 |
| Riddell | debfx: does it make the Qt package 2 times more hackish? | 10:10 |
| debfx | Riddell: yeah, have you already had a look at it? | 10:11 |
| Riddell | debfx: I think it was in my history somewhere, it's not ideal but we've had complaints about the bug so I guess we should go for it | 10:15 |
| debfx | there are 3 ways to fix it: | 10:16 |
| debfx | a) make qt4-x11 build (but not package) qtwebkit | 10:17 |
| debfx | b) put assistant in an own source package and patch its qmake files to build standalone | 10:17 |
| debfx | c) introduce a circual build-dep between qt and qtwebkit | 10:17 |
| debfx | http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qt4-x11_4.7.0~rc1-1ubuntu3.debdiff implements a) | 10:18 |
| ScottK | debfx: I'm not certain, no. | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | debfx: I have seen worse hacks ^^ ... if it works I am all for upload | 10:25 |
| apachelogger | \sh: if you are on amd64 a data package is probably not yet built... | 10:26 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the mobile patch I looked at yesterday was a bit of a mess | 10:26 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: OK. Please help him out with it if you can. | 10:27 |
| apachelogger | I did, havent seen a refreshed patch yet | 10:27 |
| apachelogger | also upstream needs to be informed | 10:27 |
| debfx | ScottK: we should stick with upstream then, i'll add a comment to the debian bug | 10:27 |
| ScottK | debfx: OK. Thanks. | 10:28 |
| debfx | apachelogger: ok, I pushed the fix to bzr | 10:46 |
| apachelogger | I think(tm) that stupid command-not-found should be recommending pkcon rather than apt-get | 10:57 |
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| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i dont remember the context now :P | 12:02 |
| shadeslayer | nice.. userbase got a upgrade | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | doesnt look too friendly tho... looks geeky | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: how is that | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: wtf does it list shortcuts for the page editing pics? | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: just dont think its looks good from a users POV | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: and wtf do these shortcuts conflict with common browser ones... such as ctrl-t | 12:49 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: idunno | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: it gives information whats more to have than that? | 12:50 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: imo the background should be white | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | ALSO | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do you know if paste.ubuntu has a API ? | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | black on white is arguable | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | i couldnt find one.. | 12:52 |
| * apachelogger preferres not having a completely white background to prevent eye bleeds | 12:52 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: if there is one there is a 300% chance of it not being documented | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | like not at all | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | not even inline | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | whai ... :'( | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | because this is ubuntu land | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: Morpheuz has a new pastebin data engine, ive learnt some JS to implement a paste.ubuntu backend | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | in ubuntu land documentation is not necessary | 12:53 |
| * shadeslayer boo's ubuntu land | 12:54 | |
| apachelogger | we rather spend time on blogging about what we do | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | i bet jpds knows about this | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | very possible | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: the old paste thing is going away? | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | I got a headache from its code design | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | was like Java written as C implemented in C++ IIRc | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no .. its a new dataengine with which you can write new backends | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: well, as long as the paste plasmoid gets rid of its ugly backends... | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://blog.morpheuz.cc/28/08/2010/updates-on-plasma-land/ | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | yeah he ported all his backends to JS | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | just requires 4 JS functions now for a new backend i think | 12:56 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/dataengines/share/backends/pastebinca/contents/code/main.js?revision=1165186&view=markup | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | I love the generic naming :P | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: me too :D | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | well | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I do not know the underlying API but that looks very limited | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | i just have to implement the same functions for paste.ubuntu | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: erm.. dont follow :) | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | just <3 30 seconds to mars .. | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: from what I gather from the main.js it makes a lot of assumptions about how the remote access would have to lok like | 12:59 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | ah | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | oh | 13:00 |
| apachelogger | lemme think | 13:00 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: since you know python can you look at pastebinit and see what API is required? | 13:01 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | there is no api really :P | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | actually | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | then how does pastebinit do it? | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | api is a bit of a strong term ;) | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | I suppose it just is a http request | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | erm | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | post | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | or maybe request | 13:02 |
| apachelogger | or both | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | and it returns the URL ? | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | what if theres a error ? 0_o | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | HTTP does errors? | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | oic... like 404/403/whatever | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure you can do that with paste.ubuntu since it uses a post form | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: how does pastebinit do it then??? | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | it submits a form? i dont think so... | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | http push :P | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | you do not think a lot like a browser dev :P | 13:11 |
| * apachelogger grabs curl and tries | 13:11 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: because im a shiny new browser dev who has to be taught alot :P | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | curl -v -d "poster=Harald+Sitter&syntax=text&content=aaa" "http://paste.ubuntu.com" | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | HTTP PUSH it i | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | s | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | erm | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | post ^^ | 13:17 |
| * apachelogger confuses TCP with HTTP ;) | 13:17 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: just use curl in JS? or can JS do that natively ? | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: the data engine needs to do that | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | maybe it does | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | maybe it does not | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | oh | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: seems to be just what the provider of the dataengine does | 13:20 |
| shadeslayer | hmm? | 13:22 |
| shadeslayer | also.. pastebin plasmoid doesnt work in trunk :P | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/494154 | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot41.png | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I am done implementing :P | 13:31 |
| shadeslayer | :O | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | i wanted to do that :'( | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | well.. anyways.. pastebin code please | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you can gladly implement it :P | 13:35 |
| * apachelogger didnt commit yet | 13:35 | |
| shadeslayer | :P | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: so itll be just JS i presume? | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | yup | 13:36 |
| shadeslayer | alright.. lemme bang my head against this for some time :) | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: 16 lines of code | 13:38 |
| shadeslayer | oh.. kewl | 13:38 |
| shadeslayer | will take me some time to figure out :P | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | should you give up... :P | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: plasmoidviewer pastebin doesnt start the pastebin plasmoid.. any ideas on that? | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | unknown widget | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | different name? | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | dont think so.. its listed under plasmoidviewer --list | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | is your plasmoidviewer looking in the right path? | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | how do i find that? | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | and which plasmoidviewer says : /home/shadeslayer/kde/bin/plasmoidviewer | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | strace it for example | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | though I suppose it tries to get the thing via ksycoca, so that will not yield much information | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494158/ | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ldd plasmoidviewer | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494161/ | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | hm | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | looks like your sycoca is messed up | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | I see it shares path with regular KDE :P | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | :O | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | run with nonincremental | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: same thing | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | debfx: is your qt released already? | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: well | 13:50 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: does list still say it is there | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 13:50 |
| debfx | apachelogger: nope | 13:50 |
| apachelogger | debfx: why does it not say unreleased then :P | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/494163/ | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | omg | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: magical is it not? :P | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | it does not now :O | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | yeah :P | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | but why did it not compile? 0_o | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | debfx: should that be added to KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFF? | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | so that people not merge it away unless fixed in Qt | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: because it does not exist? | 13:53 |
| debfx | yes, I'll update the kubuntu diff file | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | http://imgur.com/jacoj | 13:56 |
| shadeslayer | hahah | 13:57 |
| debfx | apachelogger: pushed | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | debfx: did you super testbuild && QA this foo? | 14:04 |
| * apachelogger is far away from even having a pbuilder | 14:04 | |
| debfx | yeah I testbuilt it (except the changes in debian/control) | 14:08 |
| debfx | qtassistant works and no additional *webkit* files are installed | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | okies | 14:09 |
| * apachelogger ponders writing a KCM for upstart | 14:12 | |
| dantti | apachelogger: I was thinking too, but still have some priorities :P | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | !find PkgConfigGetVar | 14:22 |
| ubottu | File PkgConfigGetVar found in kdebase-workspace-dev | 14:22 |
| agateau | Riddell: ping | 15:04 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: Riddell is gone for the week | 15:06 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: that's what I was afraid of | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: looky http://paste.ubuntu.com/494202/ | 15:06 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: but he was active this morning, so I kind of hoped he would be able to answer | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: oh.. i didnt see that | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: it doesnt work.. any suggestions? | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | ill bbiab | 15:09 |
| agateau | who is responsible for kdevelop packages? | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: because you are not triggering success or error most supposedly | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | gah.. that is ild | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | agateau: no one in particular I think | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | *old | 15:10 |
| agateau | apachelogger: ok, I have an appmenu fix for it, what's the best way to get it integrated? | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | omg.. what is that.. what have i done :P | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | agateau: poke someone who can upload ;) | 15:11 |
| agateau | apachelogger: mmm ok, can you upload? :) | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | yus | 15:12 |
| agateau | apachelogger: consider yourself poked then :) | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | agateau: where is the patchy? | 15:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494210/ | 15:12 |
| agateau | apachelogger: on my hd for now | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: eheheh | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | that looks wrong | 15:13 |
| * agateau prepares a mail | 15:13 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: whai? | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | the last regex match? | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | because it will fail for any return other than 302 | 15:14 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: hey! do you have a 5 minutes for discuss about konversation's patches? | 15:14 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: sure | 15:14 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i actuallt had it say Location: first | 15:14 |
| shadeslayer | but then i thought 302 would be better... | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: and unless I get the API wrongly in my head it will yield success even if error is given as long as the pasted content contains "302" | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: check the API | 15:14 |
| * apachelogger continues doing nasty things with qdbus | 15:15 | |
| ari-tczew | agateau: konversation in tray doesn't change color to red while I got highlight | 15:15 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: it was since merge from Debian unstable | 15:15 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: is it related to the indicator patch? | 15:16 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i should check the cookie? ... i dont understand.. when should a error pop up? | 15:16 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: perhaps. but I'm not sure. I've been suggested to ask you. | 15:16 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: indicator applet (I use gnome) works fine with konversation | 15:16 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: indicator applet on gnome is not the equivalent of the tray icon | 15:17 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: the kde equivalent is the plasma message indicator widget | 15:17 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: which is not enabled in the default plasma config | 15:17 |
| agateau | (or maybe it is on maverick) | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: for that to answer you first need to know what happens on error and what happens on success :P | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: was looking at that.. it returns the whole form on error :P | 15:18 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: sigh, what's the conclusion? | 15:19 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: no real conclusion, I am trying to understand whether you are talking about the tray icon (a black konversation icon) or the message indicator icon | 15:20 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: I am talking about black konversation icon | 15:20 |
| ari-tczew | it should be red when I am highlighted | 15:21 |
| ari-tczew | but it doesn;t | 15:21 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: I just enabled it and it turned red when you wrote my nick | 15:21 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: I use version 1.3.1-1ubuntu3, which one do you use? | 15:21 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: the same | 15:22 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: weird | 15:22 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: can you ping me again? | 15:23 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: ping | 15:23 |
| agateau | it works here :/ | 15:23 |
| * agateau checks in konv options | 15:23 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: and what does it do on success? | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: returns less info and a 302 and a URL | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | lol.. cnn videos work with adblock but with adblock disabled they fail :P | 15:24 |
| debfx | agateau: are you running kde or gnome? | 15:24 |
| agateau | debfx: kde | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: and that is why I said that you should look at the API :P | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: whut api? :( | 15:25 |
| apachelogger | the one for backends | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | what backends? regarding curl? | 15:25 |
| debfx | agateau: maybe the problem is the limited SNI support in gnome | 15:25 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: I use gnome and it doesn't work | 15:25 |
| agateau | debfx: mmm, good point | 15:26 |
| * agateau checks konv code | 15:26 | |
| markey | is Maverick going to come with KDE 4.5.2 as default? | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | markey: when is release date> | 15:27 |
| debfx | markey: nope, 4.5.1 | 15:27 |
| markey | I don't know | 15:27 |
| markey | ouch, that's bad | 15:27 |
| markey | Amarok is going to be very crashy then | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | most probably will miss archive freeze | 15:28 |
| markey | due to a Plasma bug | 15:28 |
| debfx | we have cherry-picked some patches though | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | ive gtg for a while, will be back in a hour | 15:28 |
| markey | you probably want this Plasma patch then as well | 15:29 |
| debfx | markey: can you point me to the commit? | 15:29 |
| markey | let me try to find it, sec | 15:29 |
| markey | debfx: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1169026 | 15:32 |
| agateau | debfx: ari-tczew: konv does not pass icons by pixmap so it should be fine with gnome | 15:33 |
| * agateau investigates a bit more | 15:33 | |
| ari-tczew | agateau: thanks for your time! | 15:34 |
| sheytan | Hey guys ;) | 15:34 |
| sheytan | Is the bug with nvidia drivers and plymouth still there? | 15:34 |
| agateau | apachelogger: just sent the kdevelop patches by email | 15:35 |
| Riddell | agateau: you pinged? | 15:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: hey, aren't you supposed to be away? | 15:36 |
| Riddell | less away more here and there | 15:36 |
| agateau | Riddell: wanted to get some kdevelop patches in, but annoyed apachelogger instead :) | 15:36 |
| debfx | markey: thanks, I haven't found any reports about amarok crashes though | 15:45 |
| debfx | except bug #545549 | 15:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 545549 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Amarok 2.3.0 crashes when scanning my audio collection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545549 | 15:45 |
| debfx | but that's probably caused by another bug | 15:46 |
| markey | debfx: that's because most users don't have KDE 4.5 yet | 15:46 |
| agateau | switching to gnome to check that konversation bug, brb | 15:46 |
| markey | the bug is very grave though | 15:46 |
| markey | there are even more bugs in Plasma that trouble us, but we don't have patches for those yet | 15:47 |
| markey | I can show you a bug report though, sec | 15:47 |
| markey | debfx: http://bugs.kde.org/246756 | 15:48 |
| sheytan | http://mandoojs.com/labs/blobs.html This will be a part of new Kubuntu site :D | 15:49 |
| sheytan | You will see :D | 15:49 |
| Riddell | erk | 15:49 |
| debfx | markey: ah the applet crashes, is 2.3.1 also affected? | 15:51 |
| markey | well yes | 15:52 |
| markey | the title of the report is misleading. any applet can crash, and thus crashing Amarok | 15:53 |
| markey | and this probably also causes issues outside of Amarok, somewhere :) | 15:54 |
| maco | ScottK: http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=203 this is by you, right? | 15:58 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: any news? | 15:59 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: I can reproduce your bug on gnome | 15:59 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: the fact that it blinks is kde specific: | 16:00 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: nice! good to hear that I'm not alone | 16:00 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: kde implementation alternate between the normal and the "needs-attention" icon | 16:00 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: but you should at least get the red icon | 16:00 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: I am investigating this | 16:00 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: could be a bug in the appindicator | 16:01 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: do you need a registered LP-bug? | 16:01 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: could be useful yes | 16:01 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: well, which package? | 16:01 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: that's the question, I may change it when I find the culprit, but file it on Konversation for now and assign it to me | 16:02 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: okay! | 16:02 |
| === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening | ||
| apachelogger | qDebug() << __FUNCTION__; | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | qFatal("not implemented"); | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | win \o/ | 16:07 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: bug 639643 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 639643 in konversation (Ubuntu) "Konversation tray doesn't change color to red on Gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639643 | 16:08 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: ok thanks | 16:08 |
| * apachelogger hints to agateau that kubuntu patches get prefixed with kubuntu_ ;) | 16:12 | |
| * agateau takes note of the hint :) | 16:12 | |
| * apachelogger is wondering why pull-lp-source fetched the lucid sources... | 16:16 | |
| * apachelogger hates it when packages are not in a VCS | 16:17 | |
| debfx | all ubuntu packages are in a vcs :P | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | useless as it is | 16:21 |
| maco | debfx: *most* | 16:24 |
| debfx | maco: which aren't? | 16:24 |
| maco | debfx: for a bunch of packages there's just the debian/ dir in bzr, not the rest of the package. thats for the ones that fail to import, usually due to being HUGE.... such as kde ones | 16:25 |
| debfx | grrr, I hate thunderbird for adding a whitespace at the beginning of plain text mails :( | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: pingly... | 16:35 |
| shadeslayer | ubot2 doesnt do bug #foo in #kubuntu-bugs | 16:36 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| eMyller | apachelogger. | 16:43 |
| eMyller | any chance to ubuntuone-kde work in lucid? | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | yes. no, yes, no | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | rather no | 16:43 |
| eMyller | i've installed it here... everything works fine but the tray icon is aways "Trying to establish a connection." | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | would require fiddling with the authentication foo and what not | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | eMyller: that is because auth is brokenish | 16:44 |
| eMyller | weird, if i go to settings, it displays my user data normally | 16:44 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: didn't jpds manage ubot2, or am just getting confused | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: doesnt jussi manage most of the bots? ( most being almost all of them ) | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | eMyller: that is handled by a different component | 16:45 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: right, but ubot2 and ubot4 are managed by jpds https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | oic | 16:46 |
| jussi | ubot2 is run by jpds, go find him in -irc | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: do you have the paste backend yet? | 16:46 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i was out for a while, i can probably finish in another 20 mins | 16:47 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: bug is definitely on the gnome implementation side, I updated the report | 16:55 |
| lex79 | ScottK: quassel and quassel-qt translation looks good | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: tell me how to detect the error and im done :P | 17:03 |
| sheytan | apachelogger you might like this: http://madsheytan.deviantart.com/art/KubuntuLight-179343515 :D | 17:03 |
| debfx | apachelogger: a kdelibs patch is waiting for you in the bzr branch, coud you upload it? :) | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: nice | 17:04 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer thank you :) | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | patch here patch there patches are friggin everywhere | 17:08 |
| lex79 | yeah !! | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | debfx: does it have a pink hat? | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | extra points to patches with pink hats? :P | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot42.png | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | I am quite awesum! | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I only uploads things with pink hats from now on | 17:10 |
| debfx | apachelogger: unfortunately not, how do you make pink ascii art hats? ;) | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | dunno, JT is the ascii art master here | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ...purple... | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | I feel a bit weird | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | maybe I should eat something | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: the lightness messes up my plasma theme ^^ | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: purple? :O | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | white on almost white does not go too well | 17:14 |
| sheytan | apachelogger use air :D | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: purple is the ubuntu land | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | thats what i data.match("*purple*") ? | 17:14 |
| sheytan | or try a dark one :) | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | I like my full transparent one very much, thanks :P | 17:15 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oi! temme.. what is the error i should look for? | 17:19 |
| apachelogger | maybe it is the success you should look for, not the error | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | maybe you should look at the API, as I said 2 times already :P | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the w3schools site? | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | the backend api!!!!! | 17:21 |
| * shadeslayer stares at his screen.. | 17:22 | |
| lex79 | omg | 17:22 |
| debfx | lunchpad still doesn't auto-close bugs ^^ | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: yes | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | known bug | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | and IIRC its fix released | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | bug 635524 | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 635524 in Launchpad itself "bugs are not closed anymore with uploads to the archive (dup-of: 634045)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635524 | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 634045 in Soyuz "Regression: Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed header no longer works" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634045 | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | :O | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | krillin got killed | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | ! | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | omg! | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | oh fix commited | 17:23 |
| debfx | yeah ... | 17:23 |
| lex79 | poor soyuz has a regression | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: im yet to understand what you mean by backend API .. :P | 17:24 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: its like soyuz is retarded now :P | 17:24 |
| lex79 | :) | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:24 |
| lex79 | agateau: menubar widget or whatever is called, doesn't work with synaptic | 17:25 |
| agateau | lex79: synaptic is gtk based, right? | 17:25 |
| lex79 | yes | 17:25 |
| agateau | lex79: what happens? | 17:25 |
| lex79 | doesn't work with gtk apps? | 17:26 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: could you look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-application/attention-icon is it related to my problem? | 17:26 |
| lex79 | agateau: File, Edit, Package, etc are not show in the menubar, they are still show in the synaptic window | 17:27 |
| agateau | ari-tczew: most likely, ted is the colleague I pinged about your issue :) | 17:27 |
| ari-tczew | agateau: wow, what a rapidly response! | 17:27 |
| agateau | lex79: ah, most likely synaptic is running as root, right? | 17:28 |
| lex79 | ah yes | 17:28 |
| agateau | lex79: so it does not see the menubar because it uses a different dbus session | 17:29 |
| agateau | lex79: it's going to be the same for apps running remotely | 17:29 |
| lex79 | agateau: now I tried without root privileges and still doesn't work | 17:30 |
| * shadeslayer points to bug 132060 | 17:31 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 132060 in network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) "[feisty] network-manager-openvpn doesn't work when using x509 and private key file has password" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132060 | 17:31 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^ can you looky? | 17:32 |
| agateau | lex79: appmenu does not work on this gnome session, need to switch back to kde | 17:35 |
| agateau | brb | 17:35 |
| lex79 | k | 17:36 |
| agateau | lex79: it works here | 17:36 |
| agateau | lex79: are you on gnome or kde? | 17:37 |
| lex79 | kde | 17:37 |
| markey | debfx: will the Plasma crash fix be included in Maverick? | 17:39 |
| agateau | lex79: I wonder if this could be due to the fact that you started synaptic as root before | 17:44 |
| debfx | markey: yes if apachelogger can be bothered to upload the package ;) | 17:44 |
| agateau | lex79: is there any synaptic process still running? | 17:45 |
| lex79 | agateau: nope | 17:45 |
| agateau | lex79: really weird | 17:45 |
| apachelogger | debfx: only with a pink hat... | 17:45 |
| lex79 | yes :( | 17:45 |
| debfx | apachelogger: you should join http://www.pinkhatsociety.net/ (if you haven't already) | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: what am I to look? | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | !info kdelibs5 maverick | 18:01 |
| ubottu | kdelibs5 (source: kde4libs): transitional package for the KDE Development Platform libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 20 kB, installed size 192 kB | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | lex79: pingy | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | whut? huh? | 18:02 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: pong | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | lex79: your most recent commit to kdelibs changes the changelog entries of ubuntu4 is that intentional? | 18:02 |
| lex79 | I'm looking | 18:04 |
| lex79 | it seems right to me | 18:04 |
| lex79 | 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu4 is the correct version | 18:05 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: ^ | 18:05 |
| lex79 | my most recent commit is Add 2 patches and update a symbol file | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | lex79: in that case consider this ranting about you not having used UNRELEASED nor debcommit -r and making it difficult to know where your changes to ubuntu4 ended :P | 18:06 |
| lex79 | right, ok :) | 18:07 |
| * apachelogger is wondering why dch changes the change if one uses dch -r | 18:07 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | sweet | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | dpkg-buildpackage makes a native package with a non-native version number | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i give up... | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | or give me another day | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 18:23 |
| * apachelogger is wondering how to make that upstart api look good :S | 18:25 | |
| CIA-116 | [kdelibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100915172557-8varb10d7osz16v3 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu5 | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | hmm.... :/ | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | upstart got multiple jobs and each of these jobs can have multiple instances | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | each of those is accessible via dbus, however I do not really want a public dbus interface :/ | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | maybe privately inherit the interfaces and expose the necessary API... | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | OTOH that is also bollocks should the dbus api change the BC of the lib would break too | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | ... | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | maybe just hold an instance of the interface in a regular qobject derived class | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | QUpstartJob(ComUbuntuUpstart0_6JobInterface *interface); | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494332/ | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | you are making things insanely complicated | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | take a look at the API :P | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: gimme your code | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | i wont be able to sleep if i dont know how you implemented it | 18:57 |
| apachelogger | if you add my copyright :P | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | I can also just commit my code | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: aseigo just did a post about canonical .. have a look | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: by all means.. | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | but i want to see it :P | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | is it about how they flood planet ubuntu :P | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | something about canonicals contributor agreement | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | ahh | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | that is interesting indeed | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | unless it is a case of TLDR again :P | 19:00 |
| CIA-116 | [workspace] sitter * 1175729 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/dataengines/share/backends/ (7 files in 4 dirs) add paste.ubuntu.com backend | 19:01 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 19:01 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: will take some time for it to filter through ... can you pastebin main.js ? | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | nvm | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | :O | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ah, yes, exactly why I do not feel terribly thrilled about signing the agreement brought into proper sentences ^^ | 19:05 |
| * shadeslayer goes mad after seeing code | 19:06 | |
| shadeslayer | that is frickin simple | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | :'( | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | "Error Trying to post" :P | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | and now i can go to sleep peacefully :) | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | cya later | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: well, there is no way to find out what particularly was the error | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | even though I find the message terribly silly | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | it is the only thing known | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: nini | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i was actually looking for the pasteid | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | and then based on that decided if there was a error | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | i shall work on paste.debian.net tommorow :) | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | that is not reliable though | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | unfortunately | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: how come? | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | well, if they change around however you try to get the id the backend falls on its nose | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: pingly | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | bug 622243 | 19:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 622243 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "[MIR] bluedevil" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622243 | 19:09 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: please subscribe yourself to bugs via the launchpad page for the package | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+subscribe that page he means ;) | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oic.. but error trying to create post will stay | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: depends on how you check for it | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | and regarding that I would only consider HTTP codes as reliable | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | ok.. will try other sites tommorw | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | aye | 19:12 |
| * apachelogger thinks the proper encapsulation for qupstart makes most sense | 19:38 | |
| apachelogger | QUpstart holds a map of <dbusobjectpath, QUpstartJob> ... QUpstartJob holds a map of <dbusobjectpath, QUpstartJobInstance> and provides interfaces to the job ... QUpstartJobInstance is nothing but a wrapper around the dbus interface providing control over the job instances | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot43.png | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | icons are inverted ^^ | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | clearly a model usecase again ^^ | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | :O | 20:10 |
| apachelogger | my showqok is broken | 20:10 |
| rgreening | oh my... I would expect any statement with "show qok" would be broken :) | 20:13 |
| * rgreening runs and hides | 20:13 | |
| * rgreening thinks that app really needs to be renamed | 20:14 | |
| sheytan | http://translate.google.pl/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/09/kpackagekit-jako-kubuntu-software.html | 20:24 |
| sheytan | New AppGet :D | 20:24 |
| apachelogger | how are we supposed to practise our polish if people keep translating foo with google :P | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | hm | 20:40 |
| apachelogger | dantti: around? | 20:40 |
| dantti | apachelogger: yup | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | dantti: for complex data underneath a model I would probably want a special function right? ... like IIRC kpk's package model has a function that spits out a Package* for a modelindex | 20:42 |
| dantti | apachelogger: yes, it had that, but It doesn't anymore :P | 20:42 |
| apachelogger | OH | 20:42 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:42 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 20:42 |
| apachelogger | dantti: better approach now? | 20:43 |
| dantti | because I can't store the packagekit package, since applications might have their on name, summary etc.. | 20:43 |
| dantti | apachelogger: so I have an InternalPackage, which holds the packagekit-id (string) and the name... data, a simple structure | 20:44 |
| dantti | easier to change if packagekit-qt changes (and it will since there is some stupid stuff around it) | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | ah | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | dantti: I like your new approach a lot better ^^ | 20:45 |
| dantti | apachelogger: well if the data is not so complex and doesn't need speed ( which seems to be the upstart case, I think you should go with QStandardModel | 20:45 |
| dantti | geting rid of that Qsharedpointer made some operations a bit faster too | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | sharedpointers are evil :P | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | dantti: looks like qstandarditemmodel is suited, thanks for the hint :) | 20:51 |
| dantti | apachelogger: yw | 20:51 |
| sithlord48 | ello devel pplz, im using kde 4.5.1 and have an issue w/ svn files in dolphin. they are not colored filenames (on two machines) is there something i can do to get the color back? | 21:04 |
| === James147_ is now known as James147 | ||
| sheytan | Will Kubuntu installer have something like this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10s-installer-slideshow-oozes-class/ ? :D | 21:55 |
| dantti | shadeslayer: hmmm nice, I think It more about creating those pages, but maybe translations don't get ready on time | 21:59 |
| * apachelogger really doesnt get what it is with those dots | 22:04 | |
| apachelogger | I mean | 22:04 |
| apachelogger | they are not even pink | 22:04 |
| apachelogger | ... | 22:04 |
| lex79 | it seems my typo fixes were sweet <3 | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | !find FindQGpgme.cmake | 23:00 |
| ubottu | File FindQGpgme.cmake found in kdepimlibs5-dev | 23:00 |
| nigelb | does that work for any file or just kde ones? | 23:02 |
| yofel | !find filezilla.desktop | 23:04 |
| ubottu | File filezilla.desktop found in app-install-data, filezilla | 23:04 |
| yofel | ;) | 23:04 |
| nigelb | I guess it does :) | 23:07 |
| dantti | does pulse audio has some gui to control it? I can't make skype calls anymore because i can't see my head set | 23:17 |
| nigelb | dantti: pavucontrol | 23:18 |
| dantti | nigelb: thanks | 23:18 |
| debfx | grr qtcreator has an embedded copy of qtassistant | 23:26 |
| dantti | great now removing pulse audio removes phonon too | 23:37 |
| sheytan | how come os x doesn't support ssh in finder ?! | 23:48 |
| sheytan | this sucks :D | 23:48 |
| debfx | what's finder? ^^ | 23:49 |
| sheytan | debfx file manager, like dolphin :) | 23:49 |
| sheytan | i installed osx on virtualbox, to sync my ipod touch and it's nothing you want to have | 23:50 |
| sheytan | kubuntu with kde is way cooler | 23:50 |
| * yofel wonders where you can get kubuntu without kde :P | 23:51 | |
| sheytan | yofel ubuntu :D | 23:52 |
| yofel | oh right | 23:52 |
| sheytan | but, well, i mean that kde is cool :D | 23:52 |
| sheytan | but kde doesn't work without the kernel etc :D | 23:52 |
| Sput | of course it is | 23:52 |
| yofel | heh | 23:52 |
| Sput | somehow, some people still think OSX is a good UI though | 23:52 |
| Sput | no idea how that happens | 23:52 |
| sheytan | Sput apple can advertise their products really good | 23:53 |
| sheytan | i think that's the secret | 23:53 |
| Sput | yeah, and people in general are pretty stupid | 23:54 |
| sheytan | what a crap | 23:56 |
| sheytan | i better install windows+itunes :/ | 23:56 |
| sheytan | got a crappy app with gui for ssh, and i can't copy a folder | 23:56 |
| sheytan | I CAN'T! | 23:56 |
| sheytan | whatever | 23:56 |
| dantti | well pulse audio is not so bad, at least the microphone of my lap works now :P | 23:59 |
| * Sput wonders why people still buy crApple hardware too | 23:59 | |
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