[00:05] <ScottK> lex79: Start of Thursday sometime.  Exact time is undefined (it's when announced), but don't assume you can do stuff Thursday night.
[00:05] <lex79> ok thanks ScottK
[00:05]  * ScottK is updating quassel to 0.7.0 final.
[00:06] <Sput> \o/
[01:01] <ScottK> Sput: Uploaded.
[01:02]  * ScottK even remembers to update the bzr.
[01:09] <Sput> thx!
[01:37] <maco> uhhh 
[01:37] <maco> O_o
[01:37] <maco> shouldnt systemsettings -> information sources be where i configure akonadi stuff?
[01:37] <maco> instead it just shows stuff about HAL
[01:42] <lex79> akonadi stuff was removed from systemsettings since 4.4 iirc
[01:48] <maco> hrmph. my apt is weird
[01:49] <maco> it tells me akonadi-kde-resource-googledata doesnt exist, but rmadison disagrees
[01:49] <maco> and yes, i ran apt-get update
[02:17] <ScottK> Got Universe enabled?
[02:38] <ScottK> Quassel 0.7.0 should hit archive.ubuntu.com in ~7 minutes.  I would appreciate it if someone who knows enough Italian to know the difference would check both quassel and quassel-qt to see if Italian plural forms are correct.  There were some warnings in the build log that concern me.
[02:52] <lex79> ScottK: I can check, but where should I see?
[02:53] <ScottK> lex79: Just using quassel in Italian.
[02:53] <lex79> ok
[02:54] <ScottK> lex79: Just make sure you have 0.7.0.
[02:54] <lex79> ok I will do
[02:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:55] <ScottK> The if that's good, install quassel-qt and try it ....
[02:55] <ScottK> The/Then
[02:56] <ScottK> lex79: I'm unlikely to have anymore -workspace changes, so don't wait on me (if you still are).
[02:57] <lex79> ScottK: I've just upload -workspace
[02:57] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2
[02:57] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[02:57] <lex79> but I didn't receveid email
[02:58] <ScottK> It's there, so it was accepted.
[02:59] <lex79> ah yes, I receipt it :)
[03:01] <ScottK> lex79: Is the oxygen change you included in the -workspace upload the same as the one discussed in http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/09/performance-issues-one-script-and-call.html ?
[03:03] <lex79> ScottK: yes and the performance here is improved, finally :)
[03:03] <ScottK> lex79: OK.  Great.  I was watching for that one.
[03:04] <lex79> me too, it's something we wanted in our final release I think
[03:04] <ScottK> Definitely.
[03:31] <maco> ScottK: yes
[03:31] <maco> ScottK: oh wait. hmm.... maybe only for updates
[03:32] <maco> wish id caught that a week ago *sigh*
[03:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:12] <nixternal> wonder if i can wear an ubuntu shirt to oprah tomorrow?
[04:17] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[04:17] <DarkwingDuck> why not
[04:18] <nixternal> damn, just found out you can't...no logos, not hats
[04:18] <nixternal> damn, i need to wear a hat. i shaved my head a bit to much this go round
[04:19] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:20] <nixternal> i look like bull from night court
[04:20] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:21] <ScottK> nixternal: New mesa should be in Maverick now, so you should be good.
[04:22] <nixternal> has it been released yet?
[04:22] <nixternal> what i am dealing with now is pretty bad
[04:23] <nixternal> frack, now I am being told I can't even wear jeans
[04:23] <nixternal> you would swear I was going to church or something tomorrow
[04:23] <nixternal> oh wait, i kind of am, oprah is black jesus!
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[05:22] <maco> nixternal: except that i consider jeans perfectly reasonable attire for church
[05:22] <maco> also, black t shirts with punk bands' or ska bands' names on the front
[05:23] <maco> my dad disagrees on christmas eve though :(  i only ever brought back that kind of stuff when visiting, so one year im like "look, i have no skirts and no dress pants. best i can do is wear $brother's dress pants" to which my sister objecting (zomg! crossdressing!) 
[05:29] <maco> uhh... uh oh
[05:29] <maco> i think we got problem
[05:29] <maco> you know how we're using an old version of kmail?  well... when i open up kontact and click on mail, it doesnt embed kmail inside kontact. it opens a new window for kmail
[06:18] <ScottK> nixternal: It should be available in the archive now.
[06:19] <ScottK> apachelogger, Riddell, JontheEchidna, any other kubuntu-dev I forgot because it's late....  rbelem has some kde4libs/-workspace changes he needs pushed tomorrow for kubuntu-mobile, I'll be offline.  Good luck.
[07:48] <\sh> uhm  kubuntu-desktop : Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin but it is not going to be installed ... it's build and ready for delivery..what's wrong?
[08:52] <Nightrose> agateau: seems to work out btw - thanks so much
[08:52] <agateau> Nightrose: great to hear! hope you have a nice time in Paris
[08:52] <Nightrose> i sure will :D
[08:55] <valorie> Paris!
[08:55] <valorie> jealousy....
[08:55] <valorie> :-)
[08:56] <Nightrose> :D
[09:18] <debfx> ScottK: re Debian Bug #596853: are you sure that bug is valid? it's not fixed upstream and I can't find an upstream bug report
[09:43] <debfx> agateau: the amarok patch is in the archive, have you also sent it upstream?
[09:45] <agateau> debfx: not yet, will do
[09:45] <agateau> debfx: thanks
[10:05] <debfx> Riddell: do you have time to review a patch for bug #624697 ?
[10:10] <Riddell> debfx: does it make the Qt package 2 times more hackish?
[10:11] <debfx> Riddell: yeah, have you already had a look at it?
[10:15] <Riddell> debfx: I think it was in my history somewhere, it's not ideal but we've had complaints about the bug so I guess we should go for it
[10:16] <debfx> there are 3 ways to fix it:
[10:17] <debfx> a) make qt4-x11 build (but not package) qtwebkit
[10:17] <debfx> b) put assistant in an own source package and patch its qmake files to build standalone
[10:17] <debfx> c) introduce a circual build-dep between qt and qtwebkit
[10:18] <debfx> http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qt4-x11_4.7.0~rc1-1ubuntu3.debdiff implements a)
[10:19] <ScottK> debfx: I'm not certain, no.
[10:25] <apachelogger> debfx: I have seen worse hacks ^^  ... if it works I am all for upload
[10:26] <apachelogger> \sh: if you are on amd64 a data package is probably not yet built...
[10:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: the mobile patch I looked at yesterday was a bit of a mess
[10:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Please help him out with it if you can.
[10:27] <apachelogger> I did, havent seen a refreshed patch yet
[10:27] <apachelogger> also upstream needs to be informed
[10:27] <debfx> ScottK: we should stick with upstream then, i'll add a comment to the debian bug
[10:28] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Thanks.
[10:46] <debfx> apachelogger: ok, I pushed the fix to bzr
[10:57] <apachelogger> I think(tm) that stupid command-not-found should be recommending pkcon rather than apt-get
[12:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i dont remember the context now :P
[12:26] <shadeslayer> nice.. userbase got a upgrade
[12:26] <shadeslayer> doesnt look too friendly tho... looks geeky
[12:48] <apachelogger> hm
[12:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how is that
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: wtf does it list shortcuts for the page editing pics?
[12:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just dont think its looks good from a users POV
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: and wtf do these shortcuts conflict with common browser ones... such as ctrl-t
[12:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: idunno
[12:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it gives information whats more to have than that?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: imo the background should be white
[12:51] <shadeslayer> ALSO
[12:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you know if paste.ubuntu has a API ?
[12:52] <apachelogger> black on white is arguable
[12:52] <shadeslayer> i couldnt find one..
[12:52]  * apachelogger preferres not having a completely white background to prevent eye bleeds
[12:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if there is one there is a 300% chance of it not being documented
[12:53] <apachelogger> like not at all
[12:53] <apachelogger> not even inline
[12:53] <shadeslayer> whai ... :'(
[12:53] <apachelogger> because this is ubuntu land
[12:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Morpheuz has a new pastebin data engine, ive learnt some JS  to implement a paste.ubuntu backend 
[12:53] <apachelogger> in ubuntu land documentation is not necessary
[12:54]  * shadeslayer boo's ubuntu land
[12:54] <apachelogger> we rather spend time on blogging about what we do
[12:54] <shadeslayer> i bet jpds knows about this
[12:54] <apachelogger> very possible
[12:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the old paste thing is going away?
[12:54] <apachelogger> I got a headache from its code design
[12:55] <apachelogger> was like Java written as C implemented in C++ IIRc
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no .. its a new dataengine with which you can write new backends
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, as long as the paste plasmoid gets rid of its ugly backends...
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://blog.morpheuz.cc/28/08/2010/updates-on-plasma-land/
[12:55] <shadeslayer> yeah he ported all his backends to JS
[12:56] <shadeslayer> just requires 4 JS functions now for a new backend i think
[12:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/dataengines/share/backends/pastebinca/contents/code/main.js?revision=1165186&view=markup
[12:57] <apachelogger> I love the generic naming :P
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: me too :D
[12:57] <apachelogger> well
[12:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not know the underlying API but that looks very limited
[12:58] <shadeslayer> i just have to implement the same functions for paste.ubuntu
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: erm.. dont follow :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> just <3 30 seconds to mars .. 
[12:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: from what I gather from the main.js it makes a lot of assumptions about how the remote access would have to lok like
[13:00] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:00] <apachelogger> ah
[13:00] <apachelogger> oh
[13:00] <apachelogger> lemme think 
[13:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: since you know python can you look at pastebinit and see what API is required?
[13:02] <apachelogger> well
[13:02] <apachelogger> there is no api really :P
[13:02] <apachelogger> actually
[13:02] <shadeslayer> then how does pastebinit do it?
[13:02] <apachelogger> api is a bit of a strong term ;)
[13:02] <apachelogger> I suppose it just is a http request
[13:02] <apachelogger> erm
[13:02] <apachelogger> post
[13:02] <apachelogger> or maybe request
[13:02] <apachelogger> or both
[13:02] <shadeslayer> and it returns the URL ?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> what if theres a error ? 0_o
[13:04] <apachelogger> HTTP does errors?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> oic... like 404/403/whatever
[13:04] <apachelogger> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html
[13:05] <apachelogger> anyhow
[13:06] <apachelogger> I am not sure you can do that with paste.ubuntu since it uses a post form
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how does pastebinit do it then???
[13:10] <shadeslayer> it submits a form? i dont think so...
[13:11] <apachelogger> well
[13:11] <apachelogger> http push :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> you do not think a lot like a browser dev :P
[13:11]  * apachelogger grabs curl and tries
[13:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because im a shiny new browser dev who has to be taught alot :P
[13:17] <apachelogger> curl -v -d "poster=Harald+Sitter&syntax=text&content=aaa" "http://paste.ubuntu.com"
[13:17] <apachelogger> HTTP PUSH it i
[13:17] <apachelogger> s
[13:17] <apachelogger> erm
[13:17] <apachelogger> post ^^
[13:17]  * apachelogger confuses TCP with HTTP ;)
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just use curl in JS? or can JS do that natively ?
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the data engine needs to do that
[13:18] <apachelogger> maybe it does
[13:18] <apachelogger> maybe it does not
[13:20] <apachelogger> oh
[13:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems to be just what the provider of the dataengine does
[13:22] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> also.. pastebin plasmoid doesnt work in trunk :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/494154
[13:30] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:31] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot41.png
[13:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am done implementing :P
[13:32] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:32] <shadeslayer> i wanted to do that :'( 
[13:32] <shadeslayer> well.. anyways.. pastebin code please
[13:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can gladly implement it :P
[13:35]  * apachelogger didnt commit yet
[13:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so itll be just JS i presume?
[13:36] <apachelogger> yup
[13:36] <shadeslayer> alright.. lemme bang my head against this for some time :)
[13:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 16 lines of code
[13:38] <shadeslayer> oh.. kewl
[13:38] <shadeslayer> will take me some time to figure out :P
[13:40] <apachelogger> should you give up... :P
[13:40] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plasmoidviewer pastebin doesnt start the pastebin plasmoid.. any ideas on that?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> unknown widget
[13:41] <apachelogger> different name?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> dont think so.. its listed under plasmoidviewer --list
[13:42] <apachelogger> is your plasmoidviewer looking in the right path?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> how do i find that?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> and which plasmoidviewer says : /home/shadeslayer/kde/bin/plasmoidviewer
[13:44] <apachelogger> strace it for example
[13:44] <apachelogger> though I suppose it tries to get the thing via ksycoca, so that will not yield much information
[13:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494158/
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ldd plasmoidviewer
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494161/
[13:48] <apachelogger> hm
[13:49] <apachelogger> looks like your sycoca is messed up
[13:49] <apachelogger> I see it shares path with regular KDE :P
[13:49] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:49] <apachelogger> run with nonincremental
[13:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same thing
[13:49] <apachelogger> debfx: is your qt released already?
[13:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well
[13:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does list still say it is there
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:50] <debfx> apachelogger: nope
[13:50] <apachelogger> debfx: why does it not say unreleased then :P
[13:50] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/494163/
[13:51] <shadeslayer> omg
[13:51] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: magical is it not? :P
[13:51] <shadeslayer> it does not now :O
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[13:51] <shadeslayer> but why did it not compile? 0_o
[13:51] <apachelogger> debfx: should that be added to KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFF?
[13:52] <apachelogger> so that people not merge it away unless fixed in Qt
[13:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because it does not exist?
[13:55] <debfx> yes, I'll update the kubuntu diff file
[13:56] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/jacoj
[13:57] <shadeslayer> hahah
[14:03] <debfx> apachelogger: pushed
[14:04] <apachelogger> debfx: did you super testbuild && QA this foo?
[14:04]  * apachelogger is far away from even having a pbuilder
[14:08] <debfx> yeah I testbuilt it (except the changes in debian/control)
[14:08] <debfx> qtassistant works and no additional *webkit* files are installed
[14:09] <apachelogger> okies
[14:12]  * apachelogger ponders writing a KCM for upstart
[14:14] <dantti> apachelogger: I was thinking too, but still have some priorities :P
[14:22] <apachelogger> !find PkgConfigGetVar
[15:04] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[15:06] <shadeslayer> agateau: Riddell is gone for the week 
[15:06] <agateau> shadeslayer: that's what I was afraid of
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looky http://paste.ubuntu.com/494202/
[15:06] <agateau> shadeslayer: but he was active this morning, so I kind of hoped he would be able to answer
[15:06] <shadeslayer> agateau: oh.. i didnt see that
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it doesnt work.. any suggestions? 
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ill bbiab
[15:10] <agateau> who is responsible for kdevelop packages?
[15:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because you are not triggering success or error most supposedly
[15:10] <shadeslayer> gah.. that is ild
[15:10] <apachelogger> agateau: no one in particular I think
[15:10] <shadeslayer> *old
[15:11] <agateau> apachelogger: ok, I have an appmenu fix for it, what's the best way to get it integrated?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> omg.. what is that.. what have i  done :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> agateau: poke someone who can upload ;)
[15:12] <agateau> apachelogger: mmm ok, can you upload? :)
[15:12] <apachelogger> yus
[15:12] <agateau> apachelogger: consider yourself poked then :)
[15:12] <apachelogger> agateau: where is the patchy?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494210/
[15:13] <agateau> apachelogger: on my hd for now
[15:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: eheheh
[15:13] <apachelogger> that looks wrong
[15:13]  * agateau prepares a mail
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whai?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> the last regex match?
[15:14] <apachelogger> because it will fail for any return other than 302
[15:14] <ari-tczew> agateau: hey! do you have a 5 minutes for discuss about konversation's patches?
[15:14] <agateau> ari-tczew: sure
[15:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i actuallt had it say Location: first
[15:14] <shadeslayer> but then i thought 302 would be better...
[15:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and unless I get the API wrongly in my head it will yield success even if error is given as long as the pasted content contains "302"
[15:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: check the API
[15:15]  * apachelogger continues doing nasty things with qdbus
[15:15] <ari-tczew> agateau: konversation in tray doesn't change color to red while I got highlight
[15:15] <ari-tczew> agateau: it was since merge from Debian unstable
[15:16] <agateau> ari-tczew: is it related to the indicator patch?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i should check the cookie? ... i dont understand.. when should a error pop up?
[15:16] <ari-tczew> agateau: perhaps. but I'm not sure. I've been suggested to ask you.
[15:16] <ari-tczew> agateau: indicator applet (I use gnome) works fine with konversation
[15:17] <agateau> ari-tczew: indicator applet on gnome is not the equivalent of the tray icon
[15:17] <agateau> ari-tczew: the kde equivalent is the plasma message indicator widget
[15:17] <agateau> ari-tczew: which is not enabled in the default plasma config
[15:18] <agateau> (or maybe it is on maverick)
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for that to answer you first need to know what happens on error and what happens on success :P
[15:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: was looking at that.. it returns the whole form on error :P
[15:19] <ari-tczew> agateau: sigh, what's the conclusion?
[15:20] <agateau> ari-tczew: no real conclusion, I am trying to understand whether you are talking about the tray icon (a black konversation icon) or the message indicator icon
[15:20] <ari-tczew> agateau: I am talking about black konversation icon
[15:21] <ari-tczew> it should be red when I am highlighted
[15:21] <ari-tczew> but it doesn;t
[15:21] <agateau> ari-tczew: I just enabled it and it turned red when you wrote my nick
[15:21] <agateau> ari-tczew: I use version 1.3.1-1ubuntu3, which one do you use?
[15:22] <ari-tczew> agateau: the same
[15:22] <agateau> ari-tczew: weird
[15:23] <agateau> ari-tczew: can you ping me again?
[15:23] <ari-tczew> agateau: ping
[15:23] <agateau> it works here :/
[15:23]  * agateau checks in konv options
[15:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and what does it do on success?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: returns less info and a 302 and a URL
[15:24] <shadeslayer> lol.. cnn videos work with adblock but with adblock disabled they fail :P
[15:24] <debfx> agateau: are you running kde or gnome?
[15:25] <agateau> debfx: kde
[15:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and that is why I said that you should look at the API :P
[15:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whut api? :(
[15:25] <apachelogger> the one for backends
[15:25] <shadeslayer> what backends? regarding curl?
[15:25] <debfx> agateau: maybe the problem is the limited SNI support in gnome
[15:25] <ari-tczew> agateau: I use gnome and it doesn't work
[15:26] <agateau> debfx: mmm, good point
[15:26]  * agateau checks konv code
[15:26] <markey> is Maverick going to come with KDE 4.5.2 as default?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> markey: when is release date>
[15:27] <debfx> markey: nope, 4.5.1
[15:27] <markey> I don't know
[15:27] <markey> ouch, that's bad
[15:28] <markey> Amarok is going to be very crashy then
[15:28] <shadeslayer> most probably will miss archive freeze
[15:28] <markey> due to a Plasma bug
[15:28] <debfx> we have cherry-picked some patches though
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ive gtg for a while, will be back in a hour
[15:29] <markey> you probably want this Plasma patch then as well
[15:29] <debfx> markey: can you point me to the commit?
[15:29] <markey> let me try to find it, sec
[15:32] <markey> debfx: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1169026
[15:33] <agateau> debfx: ari-tczew: konv does not pass icons by pixmap so it should be fine with gnome
[15:33]  * agateau investigates a bit more
[15:34] <ari-tczew> agateau: thanks for your time!
[15:34] <sheytan> Hey guys ;)
[15:34] <sheytan> Is the bug with nvidia drivers and plymouth still there?
[15:35] <agateau> apachelogger: just sent the kdevelop patches by email
[15:36] <Riddell> agateau: you pinged?
[15:36] <agateau> Riddell: hey, aren't you supposed to be away?
[15:36] <Riddell> less away more here and there
[15:36] <agateau> Riddell: wanted to get some kdevelop patches in, but annoyed apachelogger instead :)
[15:45] <debfx> markey: thanks, I haven't found any reports about amarok crashes though
[15:45] <debfx> except bug #545549
[15:46] <debfx> but that's probably caused by another bug
[15:46] <markey> debfx: that's because most users don't have KDE 4.5 yet
[15:46] <agateau> switching to gnome to check that konversation bug, brb
[15:46] <markey> the bug is very grave though
[15:47] <markey> there are even more bugs in Plasma that trouble us, but we don't have patches for those yet
[15:47] <markey> I can show you a bug report though, sec
[15:48] <markey> debfx: http://bugs.kde.org/246756
[15:49] <sheytan> http://mandoojs.com/labs/blobs.html This will be a part of new Kubuntu site :D
[15:49] <sheytan> You will see :D
[15:49] <Riddell> erk
[15:51] <debfx> markey: ah the applet crashes, is 2.3.1 also affected?
[15:52] <markey> well yes
[15:53] <markey> the title of the report is misleading. any applet can crash, and thus crashing Amarok
[15:54] <markey> and this probably also causes issues outside of Amarok, somewhere :)
[15:58] <maco> ScottK: http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/?p=203 this is by you, right?
[15:59] <ari-tczew> agateau: any news?
[15:59] <agateau> ari-tczew: I can reproduce your bug on gnome
[16:00] <agateau> ari-tczew: the fact that it blinks is kde specific:
[16:00] <ari-tczew> agateau: nice! good to hear that I'm not alone
[16:00] <agateau> ari-tczew: kde implementation alternate between the normal and the "needs-attention" icon
[16:00] <agateau> ari-tczew: but you should at least get the red icon
[16:00] <agateau> ari-tczew: I am investigating this
[16:01] <agateau> ari-tczew: could be a bug in the appindicator
[16:01] <ari-tczew> agateau: do you need a registered LP-bug?
[16:01] <agateau> ari-tczew: could be useful yes
[16:01] <ari-tczew> agateau: well, which package?
[16:02] <agateau> ari-tczew: that's the question, I may change it when I find the culprit, but file it on Konversation for now and assign it to me
[16:02] <ari-tczew> agateau: okay!
[16:07] <apachelogger>     qDebug() << __FUNCTION__;
[16:07] <apachelogger>     qFatal("not implemented");
[16:07] <apachelogger> win \o/
[16:08] <ari-tczew> agateau: bug 639643
[16:08] <agateau> ari-tczew: ok thanks
[16:12]  * apachelogger hints to agateau that kubuntu patches get prefixed with kubuntu_ ;)
[16:12]  * agateau takes note of the hint :)
[16:16]  * apachelogger is wondering why pull-lp-source fetched the lucid sources...
[16:17]  * apachelogger hates it when packages are not in a VCS
[16:20] <debfx> all ubuntu packages are in a vcs :P
[16:21] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:21] <apachelogger> useless as it is
[16:24] <maco> debfx: *most*
[16:24] <debfx> maco: which aren't?
[16:25] <maco> debfx: for a bunch of packages there's just the debian/ dir in bzr, not the rest of the package. thats for the ones that fail to import, usually due to being HUGE.... such as kde ones
[16:33] <debfx> grrr, I hate thunderbird for adding a whitespace at the beginning of plain text mails :(
[16:35] <shadeslayer> jussi: pingly...
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ubot2 doesnt do bug #foo in #kubuntu-bugs
[16:43] <eMyller> apachelogger.
[16:43] <eMyller> any chance to ubuntuone-kde work in lucid?
[16:43] <apachelogger> yes. no, yes, no
[16:43] <apachelogger> rather no
[16:44] <eMyller> i've installed it here... everything works fine but the tray icon is aways "Trying to establish a connection."
[16:44] <apachelogger> would require fiddling with the authentication foo and what not
[16:44] <apachelogger> eMyller: that is because auth is brokenish
[16:44] <eMyller> weird, if i go to settings, it displays my user data normally
[16:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: didn't jpds manage ubot2, or am just getting confused
[16:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: doesnt jussi manage most of the bots? ( most being almost all of them )
[16:45] <apachelogger> eMyller: that is handled by a different component
[16:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: right, but ubot2 and ubot4 are managed by jpds https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[16:46] <shadeslayer> oic
[16:46] <jussi> ubot2 is run by jpds, go find him in -irc
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have the paste backend yet?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was out for a while, i can probably finish in another 20 mins
[16:55] <agateau> ari-tczew: bug is definitely on the gnome implementation side, I updated the report
[17:03] <lex79> ScottK: quassel and quassel-qt translation looks good
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tell me how to detect the error and im done :P
[17:03] <sheytan> apachelogger you might like this: http://madsheytan.deviantart.com/art/KubuntuLight-179343515 :D
[17:04] <debfx> apachelogger: a kdelibs patch is waiting for you in the bzr branch, coud you upload it? :)
[17:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: nice
[17:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer thank you :)
[17:08] <apachelogger> patch here patch there patches are friggin everywhere
[17:08] <lex79> yeah !!
[17:08] <apachelogger> debfx: does it have a pink hat?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> extra points to patches with pink hats? :P
[17:10] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot42.png
[17:10] <apachelogger> I am quite awesum!
[17:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I only uploads things with pink hats from now on
[17:11] <debfx> apachelogger: unfortunately not, how do you make pink ascii art hats? ;)
[17:11] <apachelogger> dunno, JT is the ascii art master here
[17:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ...purple...
[17:12] <apachelogger> hm
[17:13] <apachelogger> I feel a bit weird
[17:13] <apachelogger> maybe I should eat something
[17:14] <apachelogger> sheytan: the lightness messes up my plasma theme ^^
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: purple? :O
[17:14] <apachelogger> white on almost white does not go too well
[17:14] <sheytan> apachelogger use air :D
[17:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: purple is the ubuntu land
[17:14] <shadeslayer> thats what i data.match("*purple*") ?
[17:14] <sheytan> or try a dark one :)
[17:15] <apachelogger> I like my full transparent one very much, thanks :P
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oi! temme.. what is the error i should look for?
[17:20] <apachelogger> maybe it is the success you should look for, not the error
[17:20] <apachelogger> maybe you should look at the API, as I said 2 times already :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the w3schools site?
[17:21] <apachelogger> the backend api!!!!!
[17:22]  * shadeslayer stares at his screen.. 
[17:22] <lex79> omg
[17:22] <debfx> lunchpad still doesn't auto-close bugs ^^
[17:22] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes
[17:22] <shadeslayer> known bug
[17:22] <shadeslayer> and IIRC its fix released
[17:23] <shadeslayer> bug 635524
[17:23] <apachelogger> :O
[17:23] <apachelogger> krillin got killed
[17:23] <apachelogger> !
[17:23] <apachelogger> omg!
[17:23] <shadeslayer> oh fix commited
[17:23] <debfx> yeah ...
[17:23] <lex79> poor soyuz has a regression
[17:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im yet to understand what you mean by backend API .. :P
[17:24] <shadeslayer> lex79: its like soyuz is retarded now :P
[17:24] <lex79> :)
[17:24] <apachelogger> lol
[17:25] <lex79> agateau: menubar widget or whatever is called, doesn't work with synaptic
[17:25] <agateau> lex79: synaptic is gtk based, right?
[17:25] <lex79> yes
[17:25] <agateau> lex79: what happens?
[17:26] <lex79> doesn't work with gtk apps?
[17:26] <ari-tczew> agateau: could you look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-application/attention-icon is it related to my problem?
[17:27] <lex79> agateau: File, Edit, Package, etc are not show in the menubar, they are still show in the synaptic window
[17:27] <agateau> ari-tczew: most likely, ted is the colleague I pinged about your issue :)
[17:27] <ari-tczew> agateau: wow, what a rapidly response!
[17:28] <agateau> lex79: ah, most likely synaptic is running as root, right?
[17:28] <lex79> ah yes
[17:29] <agateau> lex79: so it does not see the menubar because it uses a different dbus session
[17:29] <agateau> lex79: it's going to be the same for apps running remotely
[17:30] <lex79> agateau: now I tried without root privileges and still doesn't work
[17:31]  * shadeslayer points to bug 132060
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ can you looky?
[17:35] <agateau> lex79: appmenu does not work on this gnome session, need to switch back to kde
[17:35] <agateau> brb
[17:36] <lex79> k
[17:36] <agateau> lex79: it works here
[17:37] <agateau> lex79: are you on gnome or kde?
[17:37] <lex79> kde
[17:39] <markey> debfx: will the Plasma crash fix be included in Maverick?
[17:44] <agateau> lex79: I wonder if this could be due to the fact that you started synaptic as root before
[17:44] <debfx> markey: yes if apachelogger can be bothered to upload the package ;)
[17:45] <agateau> lex79: is there any synaptic process still running?
[17:45] <lex79> agateau: nope
[17:45] <agateau> lex79: really weird
[17:45] <apachelogger> debfx: only with a pink hat...
[17:45] <lex79> yes :(
[17:48] <debfx> apachelogger: you should join http://www.pinkhatsociety.net/ (if you haven't already)
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what am I to look?
[18:01] <apachelogger> !info kdelibs5 maverick
[18:01] <apachelogger> lex79: pingy
[18:02] <shadeslayer> whut? huh?
[18:02] <lex79> apachelogger: pong
[18:02] <apachelogger> lex79: your most recent commit to kdelibs changes the changelog entries of ubuntu4 is that intentional?
[18:04] <lex79> I'm looking
[18:04] <lex79> it seems right to me
[18:05] <lex79> 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu4 is the correct version
[18:05] <lex79> apachelogger: ^
[18:05] <lex79> my most recent commit is Add 2 patches and update a symbol file
[18:06] <apachelogger> lex79: in that case consider this ranting about you not having used UNRELEASED nor debcommit -r and making it difficult to know where your changes to ubuntu4 ended :P
[18:07] <lex79> right, ok :)
[18:07]  * apachelogger is wondering why dch changes the change if one uses dch -r
[18:12] <apachelogger> hm
[18:12] <apachelogger> sweet
[18:12] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage makes a native package with a non-native version number
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i give up... 
[18:17] <shadeslayer> or give me another day
[18:23] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:25]  * apachelogger is wondering how to make that upstart api look good :S
[18:26] <CIA-116> [kdelibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100915172557-8varb10d7osz16v3 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu5
[18:27] <apachelogger> hmm.... :/
[18:27] <apachelogger> upstart got multiple jobs and each of these jobs can have multiple instances
[18:27] <apachelogger> each of those is accessible via dbus, however I do not really want a public dbus interface :/
[18:28] <apachelogger> maybe privately inherit the interfaces and expose the necessary API...
[18:29] <apachelogger> OTOH that is also bollocks should the dbus api change the BC of the lib would break too
[18:29] <apachelogger> ...
[18:29] <apachelogger> maybe just hold an instance of the interface in a regular qobject derived class
[18:30] <apachelogger> QUpstartJob(ComUbuntuUpstart0_6JobInterface *interface);
[18:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494332/
[18:56] <apachelogger> you are making things insanely complicated
[18:56] <apachelogger> take a look at the API :P
[18:56] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: gimme your code
[18:57] <shadeslayer> i wont be able to sleep if i dont know how you implemented it
[18:57] <apachelogger> if you add my copyright :P
[18:58] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:58] <apachelogger> I can also just commit my code
[18:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aseigo just did a post about canonical .. have a look
[18:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: by all means.. 
[18:58] <shadeslayer> but i want to see it :P
[18:58] <apachelogger> is it about how they flood planet ubuntu :P
[18:59] <shadeslayer> something about canonicals contributor agreement
[18:59] <apachelogger> ahh
[18:59] <apachelogger> that is interesting indeed
[19:00] <apachelogger> unless it is a case of TLDR again :P
[19:01] <CIA-116> [workspace] sitter * 1175729 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/dataengines/share/backends/ (7 files in 4 dirs) add paste.ubuntu.com backend
[19:01]  * shadeslayer looks
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will take some time for it to filter through ... can you pastebin main.js ?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> nvm
[19:05] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah, yes, exactly why I do not feel terribly thrilled about signing the agreement brought into proper sentences ^^
[19:06]  * shadeslayer goes mad after seeing code
[19:06] <shadeslayer> that is frickin simple
[19:06] <shadeslayer> :'(
[19:06] <shadeslayer> "Error Trying to post" :P
[19:06] <apachelogger> hm
[19:06] <apachelogger> hm
[19:07] <shadeslayer> and now i can go to sleep peacefully :)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> cya later
[19:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, there is no way to find out what particularly was the error
[19:07] <apachelogger> even though I find the message terribly silly
[19:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:07] <apachelogger> it is the only thing known
[19:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nini
[19:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was actually looking for the pasteid
[19:08] <shadeslayer> and then based on that decided if there was a error
[19:08] <shadeslayer> i shall work on paste.debian.net tommorow :)
[19:08] <apachelogger> that is not reliable though
[19:08] <apachelogger> unfortunately
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how come?
[19:08] <apachelogger> well, if they change around however you try to get the id the backend falls on its nose
[19:08] <shadeslayer> afiestas: pingly
[19:09] <shadeslayer> bug 622243 
[19:09] <shadeslayer> afiestas: please subscribe yourself to bugs via the launchpad page for the package
[19:11] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+subscribe that page he means ;)
[19:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oic.. but error trying to create post will stay
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: depends on how you check for it
[19:12] <apachelogger> and regarding that I would only consider HTTP codes as reliable
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ok.. will try other sites tommorw
[19:12] <apachelogger> aye
[19:38]  * apachelogger thinks the proper encapsulation for qupstart makes most sense
[19:40] <apachelogger> QUpstart holds a map of <dbusobjectpath, QUpstartJob> ... QUpstartJob holds a map of <dbusobjectpath, QUpstartJobInstance> and provides interfaces to the job ... QUpstartJobInstance is nothing but a wrapper around the dbus interface providing control over the job instances
[20:07] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot43.png
[20:07] <apachelogger> oh
[20:07] <apachelogger> icons are inverted ^^
[20:08] <apachelogger> clearly a model usecase again ^^
[20:10] <apachelogger> :O
[20:10] <apachelogger> my showqok is broken 
[20:13] <rgreening> oh my... I would expect any statement with "show qok" would be broken :)
[20:13]  * rgreening runs and hides
[20:14]  * rgreening thinks that app really needs to be renamed
[20:24] <sheytan> http://translate.google.pl/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/09/kpackagekit-jako-kubuntu-software.html
[20:24] <sheytan> New AppGet :D
[20:33] <apachelogger> how are we supposed to practise our polish if people keep translating foo with google :P
[20:40] <apachelogger> hm
[20:40] <apachelogger> dantti: around?
[20:41] <dantti> apachelogger: yup
[20:42] <apachelogger> dantti: for complex data underneath a model I would probably want a special function right? ... like IIRC kpk's package model has a function that spits out a Package* for a modelindex
[20:42] <dantti> apachelogger: yes, it had that, but It doesn't anymore :P
[20:42] <apachelogger> OH
[20:42] <apachelogger> oh
[20:42] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:43] <apachelogger> dantti: better approach now?
[20:43] <dantti> because I can't store the packagekit package, since applications might have their on name, summary etc..
[20:44] <dantti> apachelogger: so I have an InternalPackage, which holds the packagekit-id (string) and the name... data, a simple structure
[20:44] <dantti> easier to change if packagekit-qt changes (and it will since there is some stupid stuff around it)
[20:45] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:45] <apachelogger> ah
[20:45] <apachelogger> dantti: I like your new approach a lot better ^^
[20:45] <dantti> apachelogger: well if the data is not so complex and doesn't need speed ( which seems to be the upstart case, I think you should go with QStandardModel
[20:47] <dantti> geting rid of that Qsharedpointer made some operations a bit faster too
[20:47] <apachelogger> sharedpointers are evil :P
[20:51] <apachelogger> dantti: looks like qstandarditemmodel is suited, thanks for the hint :)
[20:51] <dantti> apachelogger: yw
[21:04] <sithlord48> ello devel pplz, im using kde 4.5.1 and have an issue w/ svn files in dolphin. they are not colored filenames (on two machines) is there something i can do to get the color back?
[21:55] <sheytan> Will Kubuntu installer have something like this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10s-installer-slideshow-oozes-class/ ? :D
[21:59] <dantti> shadeslayer: hmmm nice, I think It more about creating those pages, but maybe translations don't get ready on time
[22:04]  * apachelogger really doesnt get what it is with those dots
[22:04] <apachelogger> I mean
[22:04] <apachelogger> they are not even pink
[22:04] <apachelogger> ...
[22:09] <lex79> it seems my typo fixes were sweet <3
[23:00] <apachelogger> !find FindQGpgme.cmake
[23:02] <nigelb> does that work for any file or just kde ones?
[23:04] <yofel> !find filezilla.desktop
[23:04] <yofel> ;)
[23:07] <nigelb> I guess it does :)
[23:17] <dantti> does pulse audio has some gui to control it? I can't make skype calls anymore because i can't see my head set
[23:18] <nigelb> dantti: pavucontrol
[23:18] <dantti> nigelb: thanks
[23:26] <debfx> grr qtcreator has an embedded copy of qtassistant
[23:37] <dantti> great now removing pulse audio removes phonon too
[23:48] <sheytan> how come os x doesn't support ssh in finder ?!
[23:48] <sheytan> this sucks :D
[23:49] <debfx> what's finder? ^^
[23:49] <sheytan> debfx file manager, like dolphin :)
[23:50] <sheytan> i installed osx on virtualbox, to sync my ipod touch and it's nothing you want to have
[23:50] <sheytan> kubuntu with kde is way cooler
[23:51]  * yofel wonders where you can get kubuntu without kde :P
[23:52] <sheytan> yofel ubuntu :D
[23:52] <yofel> oh right
[23:52] <sheytan> but, well, i mean that kde is cool :D
[23:52] <sheytan> but kde doesn't work without the kernel etc :D
[23:52] <Sput> of course it is
[23:52] <yofel> heh
[23:52] <Sput> somehow, some people still think OSX is a good UI though
[23:52] <Sput> no idea how that happens
[23:53] <sheytan> Sput apple can advertise their products really good
[23:53] <sheytan> i think that's the secret
[23:54] <Sput> yeah, and people in general are pretty stupid
[23:56] <sheytan> what a crap
[23:56] <sheytan> i better install windows+itunes :/
[23:56] <sheytan> got a crappy app with gui for ssh, and i can't copy a folder
[23:56] <sheytan> I CAN'T!
[23:56] <sheytan> whatever
[23:59] <dantti> well pulse audio is not so bad, at least the microphone of my lap works now :P
[23:59]  * Sput wonders why people still buy crApple hardware too