[00:08] <cato37> is anyone having problems with ktorrent? everything is stalled and when i purge it, i still get all the idiot changes that i made to it. how do i set everything back to original settings?
[00:09] <gverig> Stupid question... For laptop OS, desktop, primary machine, developer (java/C++/other), some browsing and what not- what do you think is better between [XK]*ubuntu? Why? Some background: I have been using Ubuntu for several years, comfortable with linux, etc. Just wanted to see if anybody thought there is a sufficient reason for me to try other guys or  just do "if it works don't fix it" thing.
[00:10] <sithlord48> cato37: i don't use ktorrent often but when i do it seams to work just fine
[00:11] <sithlord48> gverig: what desktop do you prefer?
[00:12] <gverig> sithlord48: Do you mean between KDE and Gnome? As I said, I've been using Gnome for past X years and I haven't tried KDE in a WHILE
[00:12] <cato37> it worked fine until about three days ago. i messed around with the settings. when i tried to uninstall it, purge it, and reinstall it, all the settings were still saved. i dont know the right question to ask to look online to find info on how to wipe all the info so that ktorrent reinstalls fresh, and with the original settings.
[00:12] <gverig> And it has changed a lot...
[00:12] <sithlord48> gverig: yea i re read taht was gonna tell you, that you can install them side by side, and choose desktop @ login
[00:13] <Obfuscate> It's likely you know already, but just to be sure... kubuntu.org/ returns a plain text page with the contents "OK".
[00:14] <sithlord48> cato37: did you del your ktorrentrc file (think its in ~/.kde/apps/share/config/)
[00:14] <sithlord48> cato37: the purge should have done that.. but its worth checking since its where you settings are
[00:15] <gverig> sithlord48: right, two problems with that. 1) last time I did them both got app menues to polluted with each other apps it wasn't funny and 2) I am looking for a reason to try KDE. "tias" is not a reason :p . Basically, do you feel it's vastly superior/different or is it just "yeah, flip a coin..."
[00:15] <cato37> sithlord48: thanx. i will try it.
[00:17] <sithlord48> gverig: yes it does taht
[00:18] <gverig> sithlord48: then it's easier to set up different partitions and then have shared home/opt/watever partitions. The second part remains- do you feel there is a reason for me to spend few days (since that's at least what it will take to really try a new desktop) on KDE or is Gnome as good?
[00:20] <Obfuscate> Are any devs around? If so, see my above message.
[00:21] <maco> Obfuscate: yes, Riddell just came back and said "who broke kubuntu.org?" and i told him flatmates exist to be blamed
[00:21] <Obfuscate> ok, fair enough. I just wanted to make sure someone capable of fixing it was informed.
[00:22] <Obfuscate> I don't actually use Kubuntu, so I'll take my leave now.
[00:39] <erigais> hi frands! :D
[00:40] <alerit> hhhhhhhhhhh
[00:43] <erigais> how can we have 9 mmillion people in here and no one talking? :(
[01:06] <deebee> ??
[01:06] <deebee> hello
[01:11] <kavurt> can you recommend a charting software?
[01:11] <zorael> What was the name of the wrapper you could call binaries with to make them minimize to the system tray?
[01:13] <zorael> (found kdocker/alltray)
[01:25] <lahwran> those are the only I know of
[01:39] <greg____> '
[01:48] <lahwran> [chuckle and laugh]
[01:52] <lahwran> whoops I went nearly 5 minutes to figure out I said that in the wrong channel
[01:53] <elias_> echo>he
[01:54] <elias_> ola
[01:54] <elias_> ola
[02:09] <kkathman> Is there a place that I can turn off the window wobble, but still leave the cube like turning?
[02:10] <kkathman> ah never mind found it
[02:54] <erigais_> does kubuntu block any ports by default? cuz i cant get a connection through even tho i both port forwarded and dmz hosted myself.
[03:07] <gouveia> alguem do brasil nessa parada???
[03:07] <erigais_> noo fala ingles
[03:08] <gouveia> rapá quanto tempo que eu nao sei o que é IRC ó
[03:09] <erigais_> é um bate-papo
[03:10] <erigais_> eu seu do japon
[03:13] <gouveia> mas voce é japones o brasileiro morando no japao?
[03:18] <erigais_> o No., minha mãe é japonês, meu pai é de france
[03:19] <gouveia> voce fala muito bem o portugues.
[03:20] <vit> hablo español...no ingles que =(
[03:21] <erigais_> espanol esta bien, cualquier, es el mismo como ingles porque soy de japon jejejejeje
[03:22] <erigais_> porque aqui, povos demais de Brasil
[03:22] <vit> mmm ok!! si bueno lo digo porque algo se de ingles no mucho
[03:22] <erigais_> o :(
[03:22] <vit> yo soy de venezuela
[03:23] <erigais_> quiero visitar venezuela en el futuro :D
[03:24] <vit> mmm ok!! te digo ke es bien esto aqui es muy bello y pues no lo creeas aqui se an quedado muchas personas q son de otros paises
[03:24] <vit> sin ofender.. claro
[03:25] <vit> si no q como les gusta este pais  :D
[03:30] <erigais_> ahora yo vivo en los ee.uu. de 2002 hasta ahora, pa muchos anos quise viver aqui pero ahora yo quiero regresar a japon
[04:13] <elijah> When I installed Kubuntu, there was a partition manager to resize my current partitions, shrink specifically. How do I access that same GUI from within my install?
[04:20] <mcruz> quit
[06:24] <aip> anyone good at kernel compilation?
[06:25] <Guest38215> hola
[06:26] <Guest38215> un saludo
[06:26] <Guest38215> hola
[06:26] <Guest38215> español
[06:26] <Guest38215> saludos
[06:28] <Guest38215> hola
[06:28] <Luix-chihuahua> hola
[06:28] <Luix-chihuahua> saludo
[06:40] <DaveWM> is quasel scriptable ? or is there some way i can set a timer for a command ?  there's probably a better place to ask this,  sorry ;)
[06:47] <administrator_> exut
[06:47] <administrator_> some one heer?
[07:16] <AnxiousNut> im new to kde, how can i change the wallpaper frpm system settings? i've wasted 10 minutes already!
[07:40] <nico_> ciao
[07:40] <nico_> !list
[07:51] <boss_hogg> salut, besoin d'aide
[07:53] <mistrynitesh> boss_hogg: what does that mean in English?
[07:54] <boss_hogg> sorry, o was looling for the french place
[07:58] <erigais> where does kubuntu store your wallpapers?
[07:58] <erigais> i want to delete mine
[07:58] <erigais> boss_ salut
[08:13] <olskolirc> anyone come across a plasmoid widget for youtube yet?
[08:37] <slow-motion> hi
[09:03] <ping__luce> hi. I want to buy a notebook and install (k)ubuntu on it. Unfortunately, I can't try the live cd in the shop. So, where can I check if ubuntu can be installed on that notebook?
[09:10] <erigais> well if it has a hd it can be installed, just buy it, keep the os on it and use the side by side window installer to see if it runs
[09:19] <Z3R0>  hi guys, my icons get activated with a single click. how can I make them get activated by double click?
[09:25] <ahox> Z3R0 System Settings / Input Devices / Mouse
[09:25] <ahox> or Alt+F2, type Mouse
[09:26] <Z3R0> thanks
[09:42] <santosh> hi frnds
[10:02] <aaron___> whats up?
[10:02] <aaron___> i have a problem i cant seem to find a fix for..
[10:03] <aaron___> anyone on know anything about grub2?
[10:03] <aaron___> :(
[10:04] <sephiroth16> sorry i don't know how help you*
[10:05] <smooph> hi guys I need some help with apt pinning
[10:07] <smooph> I would like to have a repsitory with older, special versions of kontact be prefered to the original ones ... how can I set the priority of a whole repositry ?
[10:12] <aaron___> does anyone know anything about grub2?
[10:24] <zegenie> aaron___: try joining #grub
[10:25] <zegenie> also, they have a "don't ask if you can ask a question - just ask the question" policy which would be nice here, as well
[10:25] <zegenie> :P
[10:25] <aaron___> ill try it
[10:25] <zegenie> at least there's a higher chance of someone knowing stuff about grub than here ;)
[10:26] <aaron___> thanks :)
[10:26] <zegenie> np
[11:56] <smooph> I would like to have a repsitory with older, special versions of kontact be prefered to the original ones ... how can I set the priority of a whole repositry ?
[12:01] <zegenie> smooph: if you just pin the version of kontact to be used with a package from another repository (something that is possible at least via synaptic)
[12:01] <zegenie> wouldn't that in essence have the same effect, as none of the related packages would then be updated?
[12:11] <smooph> zegenie: sorry I don't understand ...would what have the same effect as what?
[12:13] <zegenie> you said you'd like to have a repository with older special versions of kontact be preferred
[12:13] <smooph> yes
[12:13] <zegenie> in synaptics, you can select a specific version to be kept installed and not upgraded, and if you pick the one from that specific repository, you can update the selection if it ever is updated in the repository
[12:13] <zegenie> synaptic*
[12:14] <smooph> ohh ok now I understand
[12:14] <smooph> this sort of also works but than I would have to check it from time to time right ?
[12:21] <zegenie> smooph: yes you would
[12:21] <zegenie> there might be a different (and better approach) but that's at least one that works :)
[12:52] <tavo> hi?
[13:32] <Malkavian_> clear
[13:40] <Malkavian_> hi, I testet Kubuntu Maverick Beta and the destop freezes; anyone experienced the same?
[13:40] <Malkavian_> Lucid works fine
[13:40] <bazhang> Malkavian_, #ubuntu+1 for that
[13:41] <Malkavian_> k, thanks
[13:41] <Malkavian_> is there any #kubuntu+1 channel?
[13:41] <bazhang> Malkavian_, nope, all in there
[13:41] <Malkavian_> k
[13:45] <BajK> hi, is there a way of logging logins on my computer? I have always had a history (that dates back to 2001) when who logged in, which I found nice
[13:45] <BajK> is there a similar simple(!) way to do that?
[14:06] <qwert> How to have independent desktop activity for every desktop?
[14:06] <bazhang> !crosspost | qwert
[14:07] <mudassar> Hi, can somebody show me an example of calling a c++ function from c and compiling and linking the codes ?
[14:07] <Pici> mudassar: Thats probably a better question for ##c or ##C++
[14:08] <qwert> Who referred that?
[14:09] <qwert> Many doesn't imply all helpers
[14:10] <qwert> ops
[14:10] <qwert> !info ops
[14:26] <BajK> hm weird, that the "Search" button is the default button but does still not react when input field has focus
[14:45] <aboudreault> Hi, I've upgraded to kubuntu lucid, from Karmic recently, and it seems that my desktop effects/action do not work properly. I see that the effects are active in the config... and by moving a windows, ie. But I can't use ALT+TAB to switch windows... display the desktop and windows grids neither
[14:48] <qwert> !scope
[14:54] <aboudreault> it seems that all my shortcuts do not work well :(
[14:55]  * aboudreault tries another dist-upgrade
[15:14] <amichair> is kbluetooth officially a dead project? or only superceeded by bluedevil in kubuntu?
[15:16] <dad> ppp
[15:16] <apparle> how to disable, kopete showing who is online?
[15:16] <Guest73968> ppp
[15:18] <Guest73968> lol
[15:19] <apparle> never mind, I found it
[15:24] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:29] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i have a question, i have a system A which is a live system and a system B which is a clean system. I would like to install the same packages which are installed on system A, on systemB.
[15:30] <FlashDeluxe> Ist that possible? if yes, how? :)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> FlashDeluxe, depends on what you mean by system A and B .are they separate OSs /partitions ?
[15:45] <FlashDeluxe> BlueasKaj: Its both the same
[15:47] <BluesKaj> FlashDeluxe, you'll have to be more specific
[16:00] <DarthFrog> FlashDeluxe:  Why don't you just do a clean install on System B using the CD from System A?
[16:01] <FlashDeluxe> Its complicated ;) but i have the solution
[16:01] <DarthFrog> Good stuff.
[16:01] <FlashDeluxe> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine.  This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not.  See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone>
[16:13] <corinna> hello
[16:13] <corinna> i'm new to kubuntu
[16:14] <rork> hi and welcome
[16:14] <corinna> i want to know how i can enable a startup/busy notification on openoffice
[16:15] <corinna> if i open a bigge documnt i dont see abusy cursor or similar
[16:20] <rork> I see what you mean but unfortunately don't know the answer, hang around, maybe someone else does
[16:42] <pierissimo> hi all
[16:43] <pierissimo> i have a problem,I ran kubuntu 10.04 and kde 4.5.  When i download new widget for plasma, and i install them, they not appear in the list
[16:43] <pierissimo> why?
[16:49] <pierissimo> nobody knows?
[17:38] <N|ghtWo|f> anyone here uses linphone ?
[17:38] <N|ghtWo|f> some help would be appreciated
[17:45] <N|ghtWo|f> i know this is not the proper channel for that, but is a related community
[18:27] <valyuta> оу..куда ет я попала
[18:29] <amichair> !ru | valyuta
[18:33] <mariaserena> the butterfly effect
[18:55] <tolonuga> hi everyone. I have an issue with kubuntu 10.04. it worked great for me, but since a few days the knetwork-manager stops working: it tells me "Unmanaged". But NetworkManager is running (checked with pidof). any idea how I can debug a situation like this?
[19:09] <BajK> Is there a way of connecting/using Novell Netware Servers in a network full of windows computers for connecting to them and/or the internet?
[19:10] <dotnetted> hey all - when I physically install my twinhan 1020 DVB-S satellite card ubuntu locks up on boot - what's the best way to diagnose why? Thanks
[19:15] <James147> dotnetted: you could try booting up in recovery mode (hold shift during boot to get the grub menu to show)
[19:21] <dotnetted> thanks I'll try that in a sec
[20:21] <stoeptegel> hi, i want to make rekonq the standard web browser when i press on a link in a KDE-app, how do i do this?
[20:33] <djustice> stoeptegel: alt+f2 -> systemsettings -> file associations -> search 'html' -> move rekonq to the top -> apply
[20:37] <stoeptegel> got it working. That i did not knew this...
[20:37] <stoeptegel> thanks
[20:40] <BajK> how do I make kubuntu only play music from my headphones?
[20:40] <BajK> there is no volume slider at headphone, just mute/unmute
[20:41] <BajK> i can mute/unmute the headphone separately from the main speakers, but I can only set volume for all of thenm
[20:41] <BajK> so the headphones are useless, because then I can use my main speakers..
[20:44] <ncfi1013> anybody know of an online music player that i can store my music files on that i can then access from my cell phone?
[20:46] <sergej_> ыыыыыы))))
[20:48] <sergej_> эй народ))))
[20:48] <DarthFrog>  !ru | sergej_
[21:06] <James147> ncfi1013: Dont know of any music play that lets you store thing online, but there are quite afew media services out that that let you stream music from their collection (such as http://www.last.fm/ )
[21:06] <James147> ncfi1013: note also that last.fm has players for various devices and is intrgrated with amarok
[21:31] <gmiernicki> hello, i need help with kde network manager, i just want to use /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf to manager the network myself for my machine, and completely disable kde network manager.... how do i do this?
[21:34] <James147> gmiernicki: to stop network-manager from starting you can edit /etc/init/network-manager.conf     editing the line: start on (local-filesystems and started dbus)
[21:34] <James147> ^^ to start on (never and local-filesystems and started dbus)
[21:34] <v3nd3tta``> yay James147 is back :D
[21:37] <James147> gmiernicki: you may also add "Autostart=false" (or somthing similar, cant remember exactly :)  )  yo ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc
[21:37] <James147> that will stop knetworkmanager from starting (or at least should)
[21:38] <gmiernicki> i uninstalled the plasma-widget-networkmanager and made that change to my /etc/init/network-manager.conf
[21:38] <gmiernicki> will see how that goes after a reboot
[21:41] <k0s> hi
[21:41] <gmiernicki> doing a ifconfig -a, seems like i got an ip address, and my gateway and dns are set correctly
[21:42] <gmiernicki> cant even ping my local gateway tho.... i know the link is actvie cuz i can see a blinking light on my network card
[21:43] <gmiernicki> feels like the network is somehow disabled
[21:43] <gmiernicki> i hate kde network manager :(
[21:46] <James147> gmiernicki: shouldnt be network-manager if you disabled it
[21:46] <James147> (status network-manager    should show you if it is
[21:47] <James147> gmiernicki: and if it is disabled, then its most likly an error in the configs... but I dont know much about them :)
[21:49] <gmiernicki> (status network-manager  <~~ ???
[21:49] <gmiernicki> is there something i can do from a konsole/
[21:50] <gmiernicki> just ran down to the network center and seems i got a blinking node there in the switch
[21:50] <James147> gmiernicki: "status network-manager" from konsole should trll you if its running
[21:51] <gmiernicki> stop/waiting
[21:51] <gmiernicki> is the status
[21:51] <James147> gmiernicki: then its not running and is not whats causing you problems
[21:51] <James147> (assuming you wanted it disabled)
[21:52] <gmiernicki> if its off... then ifconfig eth0 down should work, right?
[21:52] <James147> gmiernicki: ...should... but I dont know much about maunally configuring the network
[21:53] <gmiernicki> thats the only way i know how to do it ;D
[21:53] <gmiernicki> i dont understand the added complexity of the kde network manager
[21:53] <gmiernicki> it should modify /etc/network/interfaces directly
[21:53] <Bucky> hi. i've noticed that whe the sys is shutting down appear some errors advices, but they go away too quickly to read them. there is a log file wich i could read? thanks
[21:53] <gmiernicki> but i dont know what it does
[21:53] <James147> gmiernicki: generally it just works (at elast for me)  :D
[21:54] <gmiernicki> yeh, did for me too, when on dhcp... they've witched the network here tho, and i need to staticly configure it
[21:54] <James147> gmiernicki: also, dosnt down turn off the entwork interface, up brings it back
[21:54] <gmiernicki> which i tried to do in the network manager, but it never worked
[21:54] <gmiernicki> so, im back to trying it the old fashion way
[21:54] <gmiernicki> yes, i was just confirming if that command should work ;)
[21:56] <James147> gmiernicki: also note that it should work even if network-manager is running, is it giving you an error?
[21:57] <gmiernicki> well, i cant ping my gateway... so id say thats a bad sign
[21:57] <gmiernicki> not sure what u mean by errors tho...
[21:59] <Vardan> people I have installed kubuntu 10.10 beta release and have such kind of problem. For example when I open rekonq the system says that there are some extra packages that I may need to install I click details it's showing packages names I click install, then the system ask my password I type password and every time it shows up this message "The package "" has not been found among your software sources. Therefore, it cannot be installed." what is the problem?
[22:00] <James147> gmiernicki: you questioned if ifconfig ... down should work, so I assumed it wasent?
[22:01] <James147> Vardan: refresh the repo lists (in kpackagekit on the software updates tab, or from a terminal type: sudo aptitude update  )
[22:01] <James147> Vardan: also note that maverick (10.10) support is on #ubuntu+1
[22:01] <Vardan> ah, ok, thanks
[22:02] <u1106-laptop> gmiernicki: didn't see the discussion from the beginning, but note that there a 3 levels of network management. 1.) ifconfig 2.) /etc/network/interfaces anf ifup / ifdown 3.) network manager
[22:02] <Vardan> kubuntu's too?
[22:02] <James147> Vardan: yeah, there wouldnt be enough people to split it to seperate cannels
[22:02] <James147> channels
[22:03] <gmiernicki> james, i wasn't getting any response from that command, which led me to believe it wasnt working...
[22:03] <u1106-laptop> network manager is not KDE specifc, it's the same in Ubuntu /Gnome
[22:03] <James147> gmiernicki: as a general rule: comands only output on error (unless they are ment to show something) so no output means success
[22:04] <u1106-laptop> but knetworkmanager is KDE-specific. It's only a GUI without any depper logic inside
[22:04] <gmiernicki> u1106-laptop: thats good to know... if got everything setup correctly now in 1) ifconfig eth0 up 2) /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf 3) and in kde system-settings network... however in the last... it says network is never used
[22:04] <gmiernicki> so, im not sure how to enable it, i may just need to fix that
[22:04] <Vardan> James147: sudo aptitude update not helped :(
[22:04] <James147> (also putting -v on a command will make it tell you more, at elast most commands)
[22:05] <James147> u1106-laptop: he disabled network-manager and wants to configure it manually, but seems to be having a problem pining his router
[22:05] <James147> Vardan: did it error?
[22:05] <Vardan> nope
[22:05] <gmiernicki> maybe i just need to un (stop/waiting) the status of network manager?
[22:06] <James147> Vardan: meh, then "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras"  should install everything that message wanted
[22:06] <u1106-laptop> gmiernicki: you have to decide which one to use. I don't think mixing any combination of those 3 will lead to success
[22:06] <Vardan> ok, thanks
[22:07] <u1106-laptop> gmiernickl: what do you get from "ps -e | grep etwork"
[22:07] <gmiernicki> the simplest approach for me is to use /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf ... however, i think i missed something in the other 2 which are preventing this approach from working
[22:08] <gmiernicki> NetworkManager is now running (just started it from /etc/init.d/network-manager start)
[22:08] <gmiernicki> i guess i should kill that tho
[22:08] <Vardan> people what do you think is 10.10 32bit have less bugs then 10.10 64bit?
[22:09] <u1106-laptop> /etc/resolv.conf has nothing to with not being able to ping your gateway
[22:09] <gmiernicki> im aware ;)
[22:09] <u1106-laptop> well I assume you ping it using an IP address
[22:09] <u1106-laptop> good :)
[22:09] <James147> gmiernicki: (for you infomation you can run "[start|stop|status] network-manager" insteat of "/etc/init.d/network-manager [start|stop|status}"
[22:09] <dasKreech> u1106-laptop: IF the gateway is named it does
[22:09] <gmiernicki> yep
[22:09] <gmiernicki> ip only
[22:10] <gmiernicki> i stopped the network-manager service
[22:10] <u1106-laptop> dasKreech: but first he needs to get it working using IP addresses, DNS is the next step
[22:11] <gmiernicki> my /etc/network/interfaces files:
[22:11] <gmiernicki> auto eth0
[22:11] <gmiernicki> iface eth0 inet static
[22:11] <gmiernicki> address 130.14.109.46
[22:11] <gmiernicki> netmask 255.255.255.0
[22:11] <James147> !pastebin
[22:11] <gmiernicki> gateway 130.14.109.181
[22:12] <gmiernicki> i usually pastebin, but im copying this stuff from screen to another computer, so i gotta type it all in ;D
[22:12] <u1106-laptop> actually I forgot to mention the "route" command for choice 1.) ifconfig and route both work at the lowest elvel
[22:13] <u1106-laptop> and you try ping 130.14.109.46 ?
[22:13] <gmiernicki> i can ping my own ip
[22:13] <u1106-laptop> sorry nonsense
[22:13] <gmiernicki> not the gaetway
[22:13] <u1106-laptop> and you try ping 130.14.109.181 ?
[22:13] <gmiernicki> nothing :(
[22:14] <u1106-laptop> you try this command and nothing comes back?
[22:14] <dasKreech> u1106-laptop: can other computers ping it?
[22:14] <gmiernicki> yes
[22:14] <gmiernicki> i try and it says destination unreachable
[22:14] <u1106-laptop> dasKreech: ??? I'm not having the problem
[22:14] <gmiernicki> others can pin it
[22:15] <u1106-laptop> what's your route?
[22:15] <gmiernicki> how do i determine that?
[22:15] <u1106-laptop> command "route", easy enough ;)
[22:16] <gmiernicki> hmm.. 3 hosts: 130.14.109.41, .10, .0
[22:16] <gmiernicki> first to have 255.255.255.255 as mask last 255.255.255.0
[22:16] <gmiernicki> weird
[22:18] <u1106-laptop> didn't really understand that, pastebin would be great, but I understand you cannot use it wiithout networking :(
[22:19] <gmiernicki> 3 destinations:
[22:19] <u1106-laptop> do you have a Linux machine thaht works in the same (sub)network? Compare the results
[22:19] <gmiernicki> 1) 130.14.109.41 - 255.255.255.255 !H 0 - 0 -
[22:19] <gmiernicki> good idea
[22:19] <gmiernicki> lemme ask
[22:20] <u1106-laptop> you have to read it linewise, not columnwise
[22:50] <nymphaeaceae> ok, I think I found what's been freezing my system, ktorrent seems to lock my system up after an unknown/random amount of time.  I am at a complete loss, any ideas?
[23:00] <nymphaeaceae> take that as a "no"
[23:00] <James147> nymphaeaceae: mught help if you discribe your problem in more detail
[23:01] <nymphaeaceae> that's the problem...
[23:02] <nymphaeaceae> the best detail I can give is I have two torrents running, and after an undetermined amount of time, my entire system will go into complete freeze.  no keystrokes, no mouse, nothing but a cold reboot
[23:02] <James147> nymphaeaceae: what do you mean by locking up? ram or cpu (or something else) being taking over? (and by what process)
[23:02] <nymphaeaceae> I can't tell.
[23:03] <James147> nymphaeaceae: complete freeze, or just incredbly laggy?
[23:03] <nymphaeaceae> screen is on, but I can't talk to my system anymore.  none of my keystrokes go through, no mouse movement or clicking.  Even the "thinking light" goes dark
[23:04] <nymphaeaceae> it's as if she just.. stops thinking..
[23:04] <James147> nymphaeaceae: thinking light? do you mean the hdd activity light on the case?
[23:04] <nymphaeaceae> yeah.. I call it the thinking light.. sorry.
[23:04] <James147> :D
[23:05] <nymphaeaceae> it's my main way of knowing if the system is thinking too hard, or just brain-dead..
[23:05] <James147> (its more like the remembering light... but anyway ;) ...)
[23:05] <nymphaeaceae> in this case.. it's like pure catatonia.  lights are on, but nobody is home..
[23:06] <nymphaeaceae> one sec.. getting pulled outside....
[23:28] <nymphaeaceae> sorry about that
[23:29] <James147> nymphaeaceae: what version of kde (and kubuntu) are you using?
[23:30] <nymphaeaceae> 10.04, not gonna use the new one until she's out of beta
[23:30] <James147> nymphaeaceae: and I take it kde 4.4.2?
[23:30] <nymphaeaceae> should be..
[23:31] <nymphaeaceae> unless it changed on me and I wasn't looking.
[23:32] <James147> nymphaeaceae: you could try upgrading to 4.5.1 (see topic on how), its brourght about quite a few bug fixes... Alternatively (or in addition) you could try disabling strigi (system settings > advanced > nepomuk... if i remember right)
[23:32] <James147> nymphaeaceae: other then that I suggest you try collecting more info on whats actually happening,
[23:32] <nymphaeaceae> ...
[23:33] <nymphaeaceae> I'll pass on the "more info" as that requires more cold reboots.
[23:33] <James147> nymphaeaceae: afraid I cannot really help more then that with out more info  :(
[23:33]  * nymphaeaceae glares at her system
[23:34] <olskolirc> any decent webcam software out there for logitech 420?  not "cheese".
[23:34] <James147> nymphaeaceae: what ever you do, testing it might require cold reboots, if it dosnt work ;)
[23:34] <nymphaeaceae> http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 is the right one, ja?
[23:35] <James147> nymphaeaceae: yup, taht should take you to 4.5.1
[23:35] <nymphaeaceae> sweet
[23:36] <James147> (cant say doing so will cure your problems, might cause some more... but its the only thing I can think of that might help without more info)
[23:39] <nymphaeaceae> well..  for some unknown reason, I can't get that page to load proper..
[23:39] <nymphaeaceae> and the second I say something about it....
[23:39] <James147> :D
[23:45] <nymphaeaceae> ok.. this raises a whole new question set... Blocked updates?
[23:46] <James147> nymphaeaceae: "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade"   kpackagekit cannot install them :(
[23:46] <nymphaeaceae> double ampersand?
[23:46] <James147> nymphaeaceae: the 'blocked updates' are updates that requre a new package to be isntalled, or an old one to be removed, kpackagekit wont let you install them :(
[23:46] <nymphaeaceae> ah
[23:47] <James147> nymphaeaceae: && means if the first command was succesful run the second
[23:47] <nymphaeaceae> oh... that's handy to know ^_^
[23:47] <James147> nymphaeaceae: it is :) likewise, ||  is the similar
[23:48] <nymphaeaceae> I've heard of piping, just not the double ampersand.
[23:48] <James147> nymphaeaceae: || will run the first, and only run the second on a failuer (useful for "command || exit 1" in a script)
[23:49] <James147> nymphaeaceae: you probally mean the single | which takes the output from one program and puts it on the input to the next
[23:49] <nymphaeaceae> || is "if not" && is "if and"?
[23:51] <James147> nymphaeaceae: sorta, or at least thats teh way it can be used.... not sure on whats its actually ment for, but I think it might be for if expresstions (if x || y then...   but the way bash evaulates them means you can use them like above, ie, if x is true then there is no point in running the y in x || y as it will always be true... same for &&)... but thats just from my limited mucking around
[23:51] <nymphaeaceae> no.. I've heard of the ||, because a friend of mine used it alot in his tests as a "GTFO" clause..
[23:52] <nymphaeaceae> hehehe
[23:57] <James147> nymphaeaceae: essentially, || means or and && means and
[23:57] <nymphaeaceae> this from an official place? XD
[23:57] <James147> (if you hadent already guessed)  :)
[23:59] <James147> nymphaeaceae: probally :)
[23:59] <nymphaeaceae> heheh