[00:03]  * phillw waves to pedro3005
[00:03] <pedro3005> hello phillw
[00:36] <nhandler> #startmeeting
[00:36] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:35. The chair is nhandler.
[00:36] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:36]  * pleia2 waves
[00:36] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:36] <nhandler> duanedesign: You around?
[00:36]  * Silver_Fox_ waves at pleia2 
[00:37] <Silver_Fox_> Why have we started so late ?
[00:37] <starcraftman> hey there Silver_Fox_  :)
[00:37] <collinp> Silver_Fox_: nhandler forgot.
[00:37] <collinp> I did too.
[00:37] <Silver_Fox_> I came in just to +1 phillw  for membership
[00:37] <starcraftman> I blame the clocks! I say they are all wrong and we just spin them backwards.
[00:37]  * Silver_Fox_ grumbles something about silly o'clock in the morning ;)
[00:38] <nhandler> Alright, does anyone else have any agenda items?
[00:38] <starcraftman> Uh, not really, I just got a new paddy recently. Nothing too important.
[00:39] <collinp> And I'm still trying to find time to revive the development focus group.
[00:39] <starcraftman> Oh and I submit an official request that all other team members playing starcraft2 message me so I can add them.
[00:39] <collinp> Mmh. nhandler, may I say something?
[00:39] <nhandler> Hmm...Looks like we have a lot of prospective members nominated this month
[00:39] <starcraftman> I guess that's not really that official.
[00:39] <nhandler> collinp: Go ahead
[00:40] <collinp> I'll be doing membership for the development team personally, by email. If you send me an email requesting membership, I'll review your credentials and either grant you said membership or assist you in getting the credentials.
[00:40] <collinp> This is going to the mailing list as well.
[00:40] <collinp> But I think it would be prudent to mention it here as well.
[00:41] <collinp> Technical term: Development -focus group-.
[00:41] <nhandler> collinp: Out of curiosity, why not make the LP team moderated and let people apply that way (and set yourself as the admin)
[00:41] <collinp> nhandler: Perhaps. I can't remember if I have admin access to the LP team.
[00:41] <collinp> Let me just check that.
[00:41] <nhandler> collinp: If not, poke me later and I can sort it out
[00:41] <komputes> I would like to announce that I will be switching to Maverick soon and welcome any bugs which affect a majority of uses for my TopBugs wiki page. Should anyone have bugs they would like to see increased in importance, please let me know in a PM or by email.
[00:41] <ibuclaw> o/
[00:42] <komputes> err... affect a majority of users
[00:42] <nhandler> Any other announcements?
[00:42] <Silver_Fox_> I scared of my latest padawan somehow
[00:42] <Silver_Fox_> ;)
[00:42] <collinp> heh.
[00:43] <collinp> Just as a general census, what team members are actually here?
[00:43] <nhandler> o/
[00:43] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[00:43] <pleia2> o/
[00:43] <komputes> o/
[00:43] <starcraftman> I can't be sure I actually exist anywhere.
[00:43] <komputes> lol
[00:43] <starcraftman> Strictly metaphically speaking.
[00:43] <Silver_Fox_> Have a cookie and think about it starcraftman
[00:43] <collinp> Ok, so that's pretty good.
[00:44] <zkriesse> Oops
[00:44] <collinp> Add zkriesse to that.
[00:44] <zkriesse> thought we were having it in bt
[00:44] <zkriesse> lol
[00:44] <starcraftman> Silver_Fox_: Excellent suggestion. I love cookies.
[00:44] <nhandler> [TOPIC] New Members
[00:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  New Members
[00:44] <nhandler> phillw: You are up first. Can you say a few words about yourself and your contributions?
[00:45] <Silver_Fox_> It's quarter to 1 here nhandler ,  i expect he has gone to bed
[00:45] <nhandler> Silver_Fox_: He was around a minute ago, so I thought I'd ask
[00:45] <zkriesse> nhandler: can we have a vote anyway on phillw ?
[00:45] <phillw> hi, well, I'm me, my contributions to the begginers team is as per my logs on IRC and the forum area
[00:46] <paultag> Hey, am I late?
[00:46] <collinp> And paultag.
[00:46] <nhandler> paultag: Just in time. phillw is up now
[00:46] <zkriesse> hey ptag
[00:46] <paultag> Hell yes!
[00:46] <phillw> hi mentor, yes your are !!!#
[00:46] <paultag> Sorry all! Sorry!
[00:46] <starcraftman> paultag: not if you program a program to reset all our computers times :).
[00:46] <zkriesse> dont worry paultag I was late too
[00:46] <collinp> Ok, so we have a good number of team members.
[00:47] <phillw> my full contribution details and testimonials are on wiki page
[00:47]  * nhandler -> dinner
[00:47] <zkriesse> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
[00:47]  * paultag -> chair
[00:47] <paultag> yeah phillw, can you tell us a bit about yourself?
[00:47] <collinp> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
[00:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
[00:47] <paultag> phillw, its usually tradition to give a blurb
[00:47] <Silver_Fox_> paultag:  fail
[00:47] <zkriesse> he just did paultag
[00:47] <Silver_Fox_> phillw did that already
[00:47] <paultag> Oh shucks
[00:48] <paultag> OK, rocken
[00:48] <zkriesse> lol
[00:48] <collinp> I guess I can handle the voting and junk.
[00:48] <paultag> Questions for phil, I open the floor
[00:48] <paultag> phill *
[00:48]  * zkriesse has none
[00:48] <zkriesse> I've worked with Phill long enough..he deserves it
[00:48] <starcraftman> I got a question!
[00:48] <duaneipho> lo all
[00:48] <paultag> starcraftman, go
[00:48] <starcraftman> Does thou play Starcraft 2?
[00:48] <phillw> In a previous job, I was 2nd level support in an UNIX area, coming back what is  ubuntu is a wonderful thing for me and I am a strong propentent of teaching and helping
[00:49] <pleia2> phillw did a great class for -classroom on lamp (I'd love to see more!)
[00:49] <paultag> Awesome
[00:49] <paultag> Well I see no reason to not vote
[00:49] <paultag> [vote] phillw for UBT membership
[00:49] <MootBot> paultag, Only the meeting chair can do that
[00:49] <collinp> [VOTE] phillw for membership
[00:49] <MootBot> collinp, Only the meeting chair can do that
[00:49] <zkriesse> And phillw is also kind enough to lend a hand to the #ubuntu-youth team when he has the time AND he's hosting our forum...so, KUDOS to phillw
[00:49] <collinp> Oh.
[00:49] <collinp> nhandler: Poke.
[00:49] <paultag> collinp, he's gone
[00:49] <collinp> This could be a problem.
[00:49] <paultag> let me hijack
[00:49] <collinp> Ok, lets just do it this way.
[00:49] <paultag> #endmeeting
[00:49] <duaneipho> +1
[00:50] <paultag> Grrr
[00:50] <paultag> OK
[00:50] <paultag> +1
[00:50] <pleia2> +1
[00:50] <collinp> +1 agreed, +0 neutral, -1 Disagree.
[00:50] <zkriesse> +1
[00:50] <collinp> +1
[00:50] <starcraftman> +1 (he better turn out to have a Starcraft account).
[00:50] <collinp> ...ok, bigger issue: How are we going to end the meeting?
[00:50] <paultag> It's OK collinp. We'll let nhandler know
[00:50] <paultag> OK, any more UBT members who care to vote?
[00:51] <paultag> please PM me with votes. I'll be cool about it
[00:51] <paultag> ( if you want them private )
[00:51] <collinp> What's our vote stats?
[00:51] <pedro3005> +1
[00:51] <paultag> +7
[00:51] <komputes> +1
[00:51] <zkriesse> +8 now
[00:51] <collinp> 9 +1's.
[00:51] <paultag> 8(+1), 0(+0), 0(-1)
[00:51] <collinp> [AGREED] phillw for membership
[00:51] <Silver_Fox_> +11
[00:51] <collinp> Ok.
[00:51] <paultag> Congrats phillw :D
[00:52] <Silver_Fox_> Win
[00:52] <collinp> How does this not work.
[00:52] <zkriesse> Welcome to the team (finally) phillw !
[00:52] <collinp> [AGREED]
[00:52] <komputes> phillw: Congrats Phil, welcome to the team :)
[00:52] <zkriesse> [endvote]
[00:52] <phillw> thanks guys, I can only ever promise any team that I will do my best
[00:52] <collinp> And yes, welcome to the team phillw.
[00:52] <zkriesse> #endvote
[00:52] <collinp> zkriesse: We weren't running a bot vote.
[00:52] <paultag> Next up: shredder12
[00:52] <zkriesse> collinp: Ah...
[00:52] <collinp> He's not here.
[00:52] <paultag> He's not here. We're going to skip him
[00:52] <paultag> can someone remind him that he missed a meeting?
[00:53] <zkriesse> I shall
[00:53] <collinp> I'll track him down.
[00:53] <paultag> km0r3 is after him
[00:53] <collinp> Or, zkriesse can,
[00:53] <paultag> also not here
[00:53] <collinp> Also isn't here.
[00:53] <paultag> and malev
[00:53] <collinp> Lather, rinse, repeat.
[00:53] <zkriesse> Lol
[00:53] <paultag> km0r3 is in the channel
[00:53] <paultag> same with malev
[00:53]  * starcraftman wonders if all the absentees are playing starcraft...
[00:53] <komputes> collinp: infinite loop
[00:53] <paultag> I pinged them both. We're almost done with our stuff, so we'll wait for a few
[00:54] <collinp> How long has shredder been on the list?
[00:54] <zkriesse> starcraftman: I'm sure we all love it...just not as much as you
[00:54] <paultag> I'm unsure.
[00:54] <collinp> I think it's been a while.
[00:54] <paultag> duaneipho, how long has shredder been up for membership?
[00:54] <zkriesse> He's been on there a while
[00:54] <collinp> I'll track him down and see what's going on, if you wish.
[00:54] <paultag> collinp, that would be great, thanks
[00:54] <duaneipho> I put them on the agenda las month
[00:55] <zkriesse> you got it collinp ?
[00:55] <paultag> duaneipho, sorry, I meant duanedesign
[00:55] <collinp> Alright, I'll get his email address and send him one.
[00:55] <duaneipho> it's me
[00:55] <paultag> Oh ipho
[00:55] <paultag> dur :)
[00:55] <duaneipho> other co
[00:55] <paultag> Yup
[00:56] <collinp> So, according to the fridge calendar we have 4 minutes left in our allocated space.
[00:56] <paultag> Righto
[00:56] <paultag> We'll give them each their time
[00:56] <zkriesse> We can always move to #ubuntu-beginners
[00:56]  * phillw will catch up with you all on #ubuntu-beginners-team. I've got to go and help my trainee bar man.
[00:56] <collinp> Does it matter if there's no other teams after us?
[00:57] <paultag> Not really, just bad practice to do
[00:57] <paultag> I've gone over before
[00:57] <collinp> hmm.
[00:57] <duaneipho> I wanted to see about getting someone to administrate the mentor program. I believe it was on the agenda.
[00:57] <paultag> We at least need to wait for nhandler to officially close it
[00:58] <collinp> Aye.
[00:58] <paultag> Was this mentioned before?
[00:58] <collinp>  duanedesign - Improving Mentor Program
[00:58] <paultag> OK, cool.
[00:58] <paultag> duaneipho, you have the floor :)
[00:58] <starcraftman> bye phillw, as a recently inducted member it's imperative you get SC2, asap :).
[00:58] <komputes> starcraftman: hey
[00:58] <duaneipho> have someone make sure the seeking mentor list is taken care of each month
[00:59] <collinp> I could do that.
[00:59] <paultag> collinp, you already lead -dev
[00:59] <collinp> paultag: True that.
[00:59] <duaneipho> as well as have mentors provide monthly status reports
[00:59] <collinp> I'm sending an email to the ML regarding -dev, btw.
[00:59] <paultag> I'd like someone new, if you don't mind
[00:59] <paultag> collinp, great
[00:59] <collinp> Hmm.
[00:59] <collinp> Maybe phillw?
[01:00] <Silver_Fox_> I think I need another person to mentor again....
[01:00]  * zkriesse raises hand
[01:00] <paultag> collinp, phillw is crunched for time and such
[01:00] <Silver_Fox_> ;)
[01:00] <collinp> Ah, yes.
[01:00] <paultag> Let's call for people on the ML
[01:00] <duaneipho> and have the mentor administrator be responsible fir making surre those are done each month
[01:00] <Silver_Fox_> +1 ML
[01:00] <paultag> just because we're not packed in here
[01:00] <collinp> Aye, +1 on the ML.
[01:00] <zkriesse> +1 ml
[01:00] <duaneipho> should only take 2 hrs or so a month
[01:01] <duaneipho> we do have a couple people on the seeking mentor list that need someone now
[01:01] <paultag> roger
[01:02] <paultag> Who would like to email calling for applications?
[01:02] <duaneipho> Rajbe. spelled wrong I am sure
[01:02] <zkriesse> I can if you want
[01:02] <paultag> zkriesse, OK. that would be great
[01:02] <duaneipho> I will, or mr zack
[01:02] <collinp> Or me.
[01:02] <paultag> zkriesse, Make a note applications go to the ubuntu beginners council ml
[01:02] <zkriesse> applications for a mentor correct?
[01:02] <paultag> zkriesse, no, mentor administrator, to ensure people get hooked up
[01:02] <zkriesse> Ah
[01:03] <zkriesse> Yeah I can write that up right now
[01:03] <paultag> thanks zkriesse
[01:03] <zkriesse> paultag: what's the council ml
[01:03] <zkriesse> sure
[01:03] <nhandler> zkriesse: ubuntu-beginners-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:03] <paultag> nhandler, arn't you eating?
[01:03] <nhandler> zkriesse: Be sure to poke a council member once sent if it gets stuck in moderation
[01:03] <nhandler> paultag: Just got back ;)
[01:03] <duaneipho> ID also like to hear what people think about the monthly updates by mentors
[01:03] <paultag> Roger doger
[01:03] <collinp> nhandler: Wow, fast.
[01:04] <zkriesse> nhandler: what'd you do? Inhale the food?
[01:04] <duaneipho> but were long on time so we can do it in -team
[01:04] <nhandler> :)
[01:04] <collinp> zkriesse: I do that on a regular basis. Not healthy.
[01:04] <zkriesse> collinp: same here
[01:04] <collinp> There's no teams after us wanting to beat us out, so I don't see time as being an issue.
[01:05] <duaneipho> I'll get with my 3 prospects and see If they can make next meeting for voting
[01:05] <collinp> I'm not sure as to how strictly enforced the time limit is on this channel, but it's doubtful that we're going to get kicked out.
[01:05] <zkriesse> I think pleia2 could answer that question best
[01:05] <nhandler> We are fine right now. Nobody is after us
[01:06] <duaneipho> shredder Is in India so he might have difficulty making a meeting
[01:06] <collinp> (yet)
[01:06] <zkriesse> Ok so duaneipho what do you want on the application for mentorship lead?
[01:07] <zkriesse> Or really, BT council members, what do you expect
[01:07] <duaneipho> I would like for them to ideally be responsible for the two things mentioned
[01:07] <zkriesse> Ok
[01:08] <duaneipho> it should only take 2-3 hours a month
[01:08] <zkriesse> But to apply for the "position" what do you want them to put on the email..wiki page of course, but what else? Experience in the team? Why they want/feel they should be in that position?
[01:08] <duaneipho> make sure prospects are hooked up and work with the council on setting up so
[01:09] <duaneipho> some kind of monthly update mentors submit about their prospects
[01:09] <zkriesse> Yes I get that...
[01:09] <duaneipho> Zack sounds good. ideallly it should be so
[01:10] <collinp> Just a question. For future reference, can meeting times be changed an hour or two back or forwards?
[01:10] <nhandler> zkriesse: Yep. LP link as well. And if people feel someone would be a good candidate, please do not hesitate to tell the council that
[01:10] <zkriesse> Ok I'll draft one up real quick
[01:10] <duaneipho> thanks Zack
[01:10] <nhandler> collinp: We probably are overdue for reconsidering meeting times/dates. I'll try to setup a doodle poll soon
[01:10] <zkriesse> nhandler: Roger..shall I draft a quick one and then send it to you for a quic review?
[01:10] <duaneipho> sorry if I mispell your name. no tab co
[01:10] <zkriesse> duaneipho: Not a problem
[01:10] <collinp> nhandler: If shredder is in India, it's unlikely that he will be able to make any of our normal meeting times unless he stays up late or wakes up early, not certain as to which.
[01:10] <duaneipho> mplete
[01:11] <zkriesse> and glad to do it duaneipho
[01:11] <nhandler> collinp: We have accepted members without them attending the meetings in the past
[01:11] <nhandler> zkriesse: If you want (not necessary)
[01:11] <duaneipho> you rock Zack
[01:11] <collinp> What process is that done with?
[01:11] <collinp> Because I would like for him to be aware of this in the email that I am composing to him,
[01:12] <zkriesse> duaneipho: Why thank you good sir
[01:12] <nhandler> collinp: It has been for people who were fairly well known among the team members so that they felt comfortable voting without the person being there
[01:12] <nhandler> We have also done a couple via ML iirc
[01:12] <duaneipho> I will ALS o talk with malev and km0r3 , also my prospects. see what their schedule is for attending next meeting
[01:12] <collinp> Hmm. Do you think that we could do such a vote at this time on him?
[01:13] <nhandler> What does everyone else think? Are you guys all familiar enough with him?
[01:13] <zkriesse> whith shredder12?
[01:13] <collinp> I feel that I am fairly familiar with him.
[01:13] <zkriesse> Yeah I know him ok
[01:13] <duaneipho> not a bad idea but I think we have lost some people
[01:14] <zkriesse> duaneipho: What is this "position" called. "Mentorship Admin" ?
[01:14] <zkriesse> or something to that affect?
[01:14] <starcraftman> I'm still here just quiet. Nothing really to add, unless I maybe volunteer a paddy for this mentorship thing. :)
[01:14] <collinp> paultag, pleia2, kermiac, komputes, Silver_Fox_.
[01:14] <starcraftman> zkriesse: Commander of the Paddy Brigade.
[01:14] <duaneipho> yeah sounds good unless anyone has a better name
[01:14] <paultag> sounds good
[01:14] <zkriesse> lol starcraftman
[01:14] <starcraftman> Mines pls!
[01:15] <zkriesse> starcraftman: Hahaha
[01:15] <nhandler> The title realistically isn't that important. The work that they do is what matters
[01:15] <duaneipho> Starcraft haha
[01:15] <zkriesse> Ok Mentorship Admin it is
[01:15] <collinp> ibuclaw.
[01:15] <starcraftman> nhandler: Oh come on!!!! It's all bout the title, why do ya think higher ya go in company longer it gets...
[01:15] <nigelb> o/ emeritus member
[01:15] <collinp> Ooh, nigelb!
[01:15]  * komputes needs a pyMentor
[01:16] <duaneipho> Nigel OG in the house
[01:16] <Silver_Fox_> I will be back later. It is very early. Goodbye.
[01:16] <collinp> To the highlighted people, what do you think about holding a vote on shredder without him actually being here?
[01:16] <zkriesse> collinp: +1 on it from me
[01:16] <paultag> hey nigelb
[01:16] <kermiac> sorry, I haven't really had much to do with shredder
[01:16] <collinp> I have his wiki page.
[01:17] <nhandler> Do we have anyone else +1 on holding a vote right now?
[01:17] <collinp> +1 from me.
[01:17] <starcraftman> collinp: Don't think I know him enough, in such a case as this with tzs I'd say ml vote to get his participation + most folks knowing him.
[01:17] <nhandler> collinp: It was your idea ;)
[01:17] <collinp> nhandler: Heh.
[01:17] <maco> nhandler: you're voting on voting?
[01:18] <duaneipho> +1
[01:18] <starcraftman> maco: we are meta. :)
[01:18] <collinp> Two +1s.
[01:18] <nhandler> maco: I guess we are ;)
[01:18] <paultag> +0
[01:18] <collinp> So, I think it would be better if we went with starcraftman's suggestion of a ML vote.
[01:18]  * zkriesse will be right back
[01:18] <zkriesse> +1 ML
[01:18] <nhandler> collinp: Agreed. Want to send an email?
[01:18] <collinp> There's not really enough people here to do a full team vote.
[01:19] <collinp> nhandler: Sure.
[01:19] <duaneipho> Collin sounds good
[01:19] <nhandler> [ACTION] collinp to email ML to vote on shredder
[01:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  collinp to email ML to vote on shredder
[01:19] <duaneipho> ok so we are done ?
[01:19] <nhandler> Anything else to discuss?
[01:19] <collinp> I think that's it.
[01:20] <starcraftman> Nothing from me, ran out of starcraft things :).
[01:21] <paultag> I'm good
[01:21] <nhandler> Then last order of business is to decide who is doing the minutes/team report
[01:21]  * paultag has to run :(
[01:22] <nhandler> Any volunteers? I've ended up having to do the team report at the last minute the last few times, and I would prefer not to be the one to do it again
[01:22] <paultag> I nominate collinp
[01:22] <collinp> I'll get it done.
[01:22] <nhandler> You rock collinp
[01:22] <nhandler> Let me know if you have any problems/questions
[01:22] <collinp> Haven't been as active as I should be in the team, so this is my repentance :).
[01:22] <nhandler> [ACTION] collinp to do minutes/team report
[01:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  collinp to do minutes/team report
[01:23] <duaneipho> I can help on those things when I get home
[01:23] <nhandler> Great meeting everyone
[01:23] <nhandler> Thanks duaneipho
[01:23] <duaneipho> also update wiki with next meeting date
[01:23] <collinp> Aye, good meeting.
[01:23] <nhandler> +1 duaneipho
[01:23] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[01:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:23.
[01:24] <kermiac> can we also please update the time conversion link in the main channel? It still points to July
[02:14] <duanedesign> /5/24
[16:02] <doko> hiya
[16:02] <barry> hi all
[16:02] <robbiew> hi
[16:03] <ev> hi
[16:03] <mvo> hello
[16:03] <cjwatson> afternoon
[16:05] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is robbiew.
[16:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:05] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:05] <robbiew> doko?
[16:06] <doko> updates for gcc-4.4/-4.5 linaro releases
[16:06] <doko> ARM build fixes (90 more source packages build)
[16:06] <doko> file rc reports for build failures
[16:06] <doko> fix some
[16:06] <doko> python3 updates
[16:07] <doko> ... waiting for FFe
[16:07] <doko> done
[16:07] <robbiew> barry?
[16:07] <barry> lots of administrivia (email, meetings, discussions, etc); udd stakeholders planning; gtimelog fixes, FFe
[16:07] <doko> ohh, and mentoring the arm cross toolchain into maverick
[16:08] <barry> done
[16:08] <robbiew> ev?
[16:08] <ev> Finally got ubiquity 2.3.18 out the door, thanks to a freeze review from Riddell.  Lots and lots of bug fixes there.  Currently fixing remaining bugs, specifically the installer not downloading langpacks.
[16:08] <ev> Blocked: really need a UI release team freeze review on bug 636945
[16:08] <ev> done
[16:09] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:09] <mvo> ev: is the langpack stuff using aptdaemon? there might be a bug there, I was investigating that in the context of oem
[16:09] <mvo> apt: a bunch of merges, fixes, upload fix for apt-ftparchive to lucid-proposed (thanks to colin for his patch); aptdaemon: async fixes, protect sources.list passwords; python-apt: properly support "single-sources.list.file-only" updates; software-center: lots of work on buy-something, fixes and community branch merges (the team rocks!); screenshots.ubuntu.com: work with chris haas and add "screenshot-with-version/$pkgname/$version urls patch
[16:09] <mvo>  that will allow us to pick the best version of a screenshot for the given request (yeah!)
[16:09] <mvo> (done)
[16:09] <ev> mvo: nope
[16:09] <ev> this appears to be a localechooser interaction bug
[16:10] <mvo> ev: ok, so nothing releated to python-apt/apt misbehaving?
[16:10] <cjwatson> I've been pretty impressed at the amount of team activity there seems to be on software-center given its relative youth
[16:10] <ev> well that and a slight bit of a fall out from the install/plugininstall split
[16:10] <ev> mvo: correct
[16:10] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, its pretty amazing how much outside contributions we get
[16:10] <mvo> hard to review/merge/feedback quickly enough :)
[16:11] <robbiew> cjwatson?
[16:11] <cjwatson> done: moved lvm2 to /dev/mapper symlinks; sorted out oem-config bugs on USB, with mvo; updated gparted to 0.6.2; reviewed and merged arm subarch improvements from NCommander; much messing around with UEFI test laptop, score so far is one kernel bug and at least one firmware bug; objectives!
[16:11] <cjwatson> todo: sort out /lib/init/rw/sendsigs.omit.d chaos (carried over); ntfs-3g update; get grub/Windows interop improvements tested and merged
[16:12] <cjwatson> --
[16:13] <robbiew> Keybuk?
[16:13] <Keybuk> - done: battling with ureadahead, no matter what I do, it goes slower, so moving on and will come back to this later
[16:13] <Keybuk> - ongoing: upstart2 work
[16:13] <Keybuk> - todo: more immediate-term fix for the ureadahead memory issue
[16:13] <Keybuk> --
[16:14] <doko> no systemd? :-/
[16:14]  * cjwatson takes away doko's trolling stick
[16:15] <robbiew> lol
[16:15] <robbiew> psurbhi: ?
[16:16] <robbiew> hmm...will circle back
[16:17] <robbiew> as for me: working through job offer, nagging folks for objectives, and swimming in 10.10 bugs
[16:17] <mvo> objectives!
[16:18] <robbiew> those of you who have not submitted.....know who you are
[16:18] <robbiew> doko: I owe you a response on your email ;)
[16:18] <doko> robbiew: sent to you, does this count as "submitted"?
[16:18]  * barry utters a sigh of relief
[16:18]  * mvo too
[16:19] <robbiew> almost EVeryone has there's in ;)
[16:19] <robbiew> theirs
[16:19] <cjwatson> subtle
[16:20] <barry> :)
[16:20] <doko> lol
[16:21] <ev> hi
[16:21] <Keybuk> cjwatson: never a word I'd use to describe robbie ;-)
[16:21] <robbiew> [TOPIC] 10.10 bugs and ffes
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  10.10 bugs and ffes
[16:21] <doko> bug #632727
[16:21] <Keybuk> bug #600359
[16:21] <doko> bug #638537
[16:22] <ev> bug 630924 (as mentioned)
[16:22] <cjwatson> bug 618281
[16:22] <doko> I hope that makes robbiew swimming again ;)
[16:23] <cjwatson> bug 441941 (mentioned earlier)
[16:23] <cjwatson> bug 553745, needs help
[16:24] <robbiew> well...no surprises for me there...that's good
[16:24] <robbiew> heh
[16:25] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB?
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[16:26] <cjwatson> good news: I got the damned UEFI laptop to boot!
[16:26] <cjwatson> bad news: ... not in a way that's usable for maverick
[16:26] <robbiew> lol \o/
[16:26] <robbiew> heh
[16:26] <mvo> good news: http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/screenshot-with-version/banshee/2.0 will return something different than http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/screenshot-with-version/banshee/1.0
[16:26] <robbiew> heh
[16:27] <cjwatson> mvo: is the IS side of that all done now?
[16:27] <mvo> cjwatson: the IS side is just a proxy, its all hosted by screenshots.debian.net, chris haas is super nice to us
[16:28] <ev> good news: we now have http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html
[16:28] <mvo> cjwatson: but if the wold comes to and end I would be able to quickly setup a instance of the service if needed
[16:28] <mvo> ev: lorem ipsum? not the free software manifesto?
[16:29] <robbiew> ev: what is that?
[16:29] <Keybuk> mvo: the text ev wanted there was better
[16:29] <ev> I had another suggestion, but IS doesn't share the same sense of humor
[16:29] <mvo> can you link it?
[16:29] <ev> robbiew: hash it and you know you're not trapped in a captive portal
[16:29] <mvo> for us here?
[16:30] <robbiew> ev: ah
[16:30] <robbiew> psurbhi: any updates this week?
[16:30] <psurbhi> 1) worked on bug:617725  and bug:628400. Also browsed through the general mdadm bugs.
[16:30] <psurbhi> 2) investigated how upstart works and the mounting of non root filesystems
[16:30] <psurbhi> 3) investigating the following: a) the mounting of non root filesystems - what happens when they take longer time, who waits for them and when, what order? b) what is the role of old superblocks, which many users are complaining about on launchpad? why is this being not wiped out. (Plan to continue doing this in the remaining of this week)
[16:30] <psurbhi> robbiew, i did not realize the winter clock change
[16:30] <ev> mvo: https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=41364
[16:30] <psurbhi> i came one hour before
[16:31] <psurbhi> and thought meeting was cancelled
[16:31] <robbiew> psurbhi: heh..no worries and thanks
[16:31] <psurbhi> :) thanks!
[16:31] <cjwatson> I didn't realise anyone had starting shifting yet
[16:31] <cjwatson> UK doesn't move for a while, I think
[16:31] <barry> right, i think the us is in october?
[16:31] <psurbhi> oh! i expected it one hour ago
[16:31] <Keybuk> Bad News: my desktop is beyond repair
[16:31] <psurbhi> sorry, about it!
[16:31] <Keybuk> Good News: therefore I get a new one! :p
[16:32] <barry> scratch that, november 7
[16:33] <ev> Keybuk: should we just assume you're going mortgage your house to buy a Mac Pro?
[16:33] <robbiew> heh...I thought he would just cluster his Dell Minis
[16:33] <Keybuk> ev: it'll probably be another Alienware box
[16:34] <ev> but that will clash horribly with all of your other electronics!
[16:34] <robbiew> okay....
[16:34] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:34] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:34.
[16:34] <robbiew> thanks all
[16:34] <robbiew> heh
[16:34] <barry> thanks!
[16:34] <mvo> thanks
[16:34] <ev> thanks!
[16:35] <psurbhi> thanks!
[16:35] <doko> bye
[17:49] <Eduard_gotwig> Hello
[17:49] <Eduard_gotwig> I´m here to ask if I could be a member of the ubuntu members group
[17:50] <jpds> !member | Eduard_gotwig
[17:50] <Eduard_gotwig> "become" I´m here under windows sry (that lags)
[17:52] <Eduard_gotwig> I already did all, the question from me is "what regional board?"
[17:52] <Eduard_gotwig> that from germany, I live there
[17:52] <vish> Eduard_gotwig: you can choose any board , it depends on when you are available to attend the meeting
[17:53] <Eduard_gotwig> vish: arewhere are meetings in germany available :/ ?
[17:53] <Eduard_gotwig> "where"
[17:53] <jpds> Eduard_gotwig: Err, they're done here on IRC.
[17:54] <jpds> Eduard_gotwig: i.e., https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[17:54] <Eduard_gotwig> oh and when is a ubuntu meeting here?
[17:54] <jpds> Eduard_gotwig: The page says: "The next meeting is scheduled for October 5th 2010, 20:00 UTC and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net."
[17:55] <Eduard_gotwig> oh thanks, that was all what i needed !
[17:56] <blackmatter> meeting over?
[18:47] <Ursinha> bug 271411
[20:03] <highvoltage> thanks to alkisg we will actually have an edubuntu meeting! (I completely forgot)
[20:03] <alkisg> Hi all
[20:04] <highvoltage> quick update from me... our slideshow is finalised, artwork is finalized, all is uploaded for maverick
[20:04] <highvoltage> stgraber implemented the ltsp/netbook installer options which we thought that we'd have to leave out!
[20:05] <highvoltage> things are looking pretty good
[20:05] <highvoltage> mgariepy also wrote documentation on the Edubutnu Menueditor
[20:06] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Edubuntu-menueditor
[20:06] <highvoltage> some people had some questions about it recently so we thought that some docs would be useful :)
[20:07] <highvoltage> that's it from me!
[20:07] <highvoltage> alkisg: is it just you and me today?
[20:07] <alkisg> Heh, could be!
[20:07] <alkisg> I'd like to ask stgraber about adding geogebra to the edubuntu-stable ppa, if he's around...
[20:08] <highvoltage> I guess I could make him around...
[20:08] <alkisg> Well it's not something important, it can wait...
[20:09] <stgraber> alkisg: sure, go ahead
[20:09] <stgraber> just re-upload and append ~ppa1~lucid1 to the version number
[20:10] <alkisg> stgraber: that's what I wanted to ask, if I could avoid the changelog part and just copy from the ppa... :)
[20:10] <alkisg> Too many involved packages to update all of them :-/
[20:10] <alkisg> I don't feel like going through all of them just for dummy changelogs
[20:10] <alkisg> (it works fine - it's just a policy question...)
[20:11] <stgraber> nope, you have to re-upload, though it's super easy to do ...: apt-get source x && cd x*/ && dch -i && debuild -S -sa && cd .. && dput edubuntu-stable x*.changes
[20:11] <alkisg> It's not a single package, I'd have to go through all of those
[20:12] <alkisg> I've done that (copy from maverick) to the greek schools ppa, worked fine
[20:13] <stgraber> nope, you'll need a rebuild of these just to make sure they are 100% clean
[20:13] <highvoltage> I don't think it's as much a question of whether it would work, but more of doing it properly
[20:13] <alkisg> OK
[20:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: how many packages are there anyway?
[20:14] <alkisg> Right, it's just that I'd like to avoid going through all that
[20:14] <alkisg> 8
[20:14] <highvoltage> 8!
[20:14] <highvoltage> ok :)
[20:14] <highvoltage> stgraber did that for 15 packages just this morning :)
[20:14] <alkisg> Not sure about the source packages, they may be less
[20:14] <alkisg> OK, question answered, thanks, let's move on... :)
[20:15] <stgraber> highvoltage: and these were crappy perl packages, I even crashed a launchpad builder because of them ;)
[20:15] <highvoltage> alkisg: if you'd want I'll even do them for you?
[20:15] <alkisg> highvoltage: sure, please :)
[20:15] <alkisg> It's just that I have too little time because of my phd and they're already there for me, so ^H^H^H /me just hates beurocracy :D
[20:16] <highvoltage> alkisg: heh, well I guess your phd is more important than me lying on a couch in the evening and watching star trek episodes :)
[20:16] <alkisg> Thanks man, and sorry for not having the time
[20:18] <highvoltage> alkisg: no problem
[20:19] <alkisg> highvoltage: the first 8 there, plus jas-plotter, ==9 in total: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=lucid
[20:19] <alkisg> (maybe those are just 3 source packages, not sure...)
[20:20] <Lns> :)
[20:21] <highvoltage> alkisg: which ppa is that in?
[20:21] <alkisg> That's the greek schools ppa, a ppa all greek schools use...
[20:21] <alkisg> I copied them from maverick
[20:21] <highvoltage> mgariepy: you missed the part where we talked about menu editor, but you're welcome to give an update again anyway :)
[20:21] <alkisg> (no source changes at all)
[20:23] <mgariepy> i fixed 2 bug that i had discovered in the past few weeks, lp: 619226 and lp: 634638
[20:23] <mgariepy> and i wrote some documentation https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Edubuntu-menueditor
[20:23] <highvoltage> bug 619226 and bug 634638
[20:24] <mgariepy> also added link in help menu of profile manager and menueditor
[20:24] <mgariepy> the updated package should be avalaible soon
[20:24] <mgariepy> waiting for sgraber to upload .
[20:24] <mgariepy> and that's about it.
[20:25] <highvoltage> well, that's great :)
[20:26] <highvoltage> and now it's uploaded too...
[20:27] <highvoltage> it's kind of weird being close to stgraber and mgariepy, I get parts of a meeting in audio too now :)
[20:27] <highvoltage> anything else?
[20:28] <alkisg> Great work guys
[20:30] <highvoltage> cool, have a good week everyone! release is edging ever closer so next week we should probably look at documnentation, taking the next steps in website improvements, etc
[20:31] <highvoltage> oh, and release notes / release announcements / etc :)
[20:36] <stgraber> alkisg: just uploaded geogebra and all the required dependencies
[20:39] <alkisg> Thanks :)
[20:57] <alkisg> stgraber: 3 more packages are needed: freehep-graphicsio-tests - 2.1.1+dfsg1-3               freehep-graphicsio-java - 2.1.1-1               jas-plotter - 2.2.6+dfsg1-1
[20:59] <alkisg> (so some of those failed to build)
[21:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: I speak under correction but I think they're still being built :)
[21:13] <alkisg> highvoltage: nah, they failed because of missing dependencies...
[21:13] <highvoltage> ah
[21:40] <stgraber> alkisg: I was planning on waiting for LP to report the build-deps