| RainCT | uhm, if it's going to use inotify I guess it could as well look for the /usr/bin/zeitgeist-daemon file being replaced + watch the extensions directory | 00:04 |
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| kklimonda | RainCT: yeah, sounds even better | 00:07 |
| RainCT | kklimonda: I'll see what the other Zeitgeist developers think about this. Thanks for the idea :) | 00:08 |
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| SpamapS | micahg: ping, just a bump about mongodb. ;) | 06:42 |
| micahg | SpamapS: sorry, will try to get to it tomorrow | 07:22 |
| micahg | SpamapS: note, we're not bound by final freeze to fix this | 07:22 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: you should set your client to authenticate | 07:24 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: and congrats on becoming a MOTU :) | 07:24 |
| bilalakhtar | micahg: It does, and waits 3 seconds after that, but that's not enough | 07:24 |
| micahg | :) | 07:25 |
| bilalakhtar | micahg: That was smoother | 07:25 |
| bilalakhtar | I have set to auto-join #ubuntu , and if I authenticate after joining, then the floodbot asks me a question | 07:26 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: it seems you're not the only one with the issue ;) | 07:26 |
| bilalakhtar | micahg: :) | 07:27 |
| bilalakhtar | persia: around? Could you please add me to -sponsors? | 07:41 |
| SpamapS | micahg: good point... may be something better left until after those things are resolved | 07:43 |
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| micahg | tumbleweed: yeah, I should look into that override, which build system do you use, I don't see this stuff in pbuilder | 11:00 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: I run lintian in a pbuilder hook | 11:24 |
| Rhonda | Sweet. I added a new email address to my launchpad account. The confirmation link presents me a really great page: [Cancel] [Continue] | 12:40 |
| Rhonda | … with no text at all whatsoever additional to that. :) | 12:41 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: hi, I seen you uploaded a new release of a native Debian package (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-September/007640.html) but the Debian changelog of that new version of the package (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/menu/menu_2.1.44/changelog) says: "* The "Bordeaux" release." so it's a new release. Did you get a FFe for it? (does Debian native packages require a FFe for new upstream releases? | 12:41 |
| BlackZ | ), also, you didn't build that package with the option "-v" of debuild | 12:41 |
| BlackZ | hmm.. sorry | 12:42 |
| BlackZ | .. for the double-lines :) | 12:42 |
| bilalakhtar | back | 12:44 |
| bilalakhtar | hey BlackZ ! | 12:44 |
| bilalakhtar | no that is the release, but its dbeian-native | 12:45 |
| bilalakhtar | *debian | 12:45 |
| bilalakhtar | AND | 12:45 |
| bilalakhtar | debian-native packages | 12:45 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: so doesn't it require a FFe? | 12:45 |
| bilalakhtar | having the last part of their version incremented don't come under 'new upstream release' | 12:46 |
| bilalakhtar | BlackZ: no | 12:46 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: if it's a native Debian package there's not a "upstream" :) | 12:46 |
| bilalakhtar | BlackZ: see the last ubuntu changelog | 12:47 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: OK, in the future please don't forgot to debuild the packages with the "-v" options (e.g. when you're doing a merge), however this is a common mistake :) | 12:47 |
| BlackZ | s/options/option | 12:48 |
| bilalakhtar | BlackZ: But the version is correct1 | 12:48 |
| bilalakhtar | ! | 12:48 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: it adds the debian changelog entry to the changes file | 12:48 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: ^ | 12:48 |
| tumbleweed | -vX = all changes since X | 12:48 |
| bilalakhtar | :) | 12:48 |
| bilalakhtar | I used this approach long ago, then gave up in favour of -i | 12:48 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: tumbleweed said what I was just typing, however as I said: "this is a common mistake" | 12:49 |
| bilalakhtar | Thanks BlackZ and tumbleweed | 12:49 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: :) | 12:50 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: I was not sure if Debian native packages require a FFe for new releases and/or features | 12:50 |
| bilalakhtar | BlackZ: But I saw a few such uploads recently1 | 12:50 |
| bilalakhtar | ! | 12:50 |
| tumbleweed | I think it's up to your judgement. Fixing important bugs without too much new stuff = no FFe. | 12:50 |
| bilalakhtar | without any FFe | 12:50 |
| Laney | err, I don't see why a package being native should change any freeze requirements | 12:50 |
| Laney | new features = exception required, being a new upstream release has precisely no bearing on that | 12:51 |
| BlackZ | Laney: is right | 12:51 |
| bilalakhtar | hehe, the diff between the 1.43 and 1.44 is also very litte | 12:51 |
| bilalakhtar | *little | 12:51 |
| bilalakhtar | suggesting no major changes needint FFE | 12:51 |
| bilalakhtar | No features | 12:51 |
| bilalakhtar | All are PO changes and bug fixes | 12:51 |
| Laney | That's alright then, but you should worry about the contents of the diff and not about the version number. | 12:52 |
| bilalakhtar | 'k | 12:53 |
| BlackZ | Laney: the mine was a suggestion :P | 12:53 |
| BlackZ | almost I do so | 12:53 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: are you following up the darcs patch in Debian with a NMU? | 12:54 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: I filed a bug with an NMU diff, but I havn't gone sponsor-hunting. | 12:54 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: yeah I saw, you can mail debian-haskell@l.d.o and someone should pick it up | 12:55 |
| BlackZ | bilalakhtar: it's OK then, I asked because I read "* The "Bordeaux" release." in the Debian changelog of the new version of that package :) | 12:55 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: ok, thanks | 12:55 |
| bilalakhtar | We can go ahead with fixing bugs without any major roadblock (though the package will go into the queue) after Final Freeze? | 12:55 |
| Laney | thanks for that btw | 12:55 |
| bilalakhtar | Thanks BlackZ ! | 12:55 |
| Laney | yes | 12:55 |
| Laney | final freeze is nominal for universe for some time yet | 12:55 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: np, low hanging fruit ftw | 12:55 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: Thank for your sponsorships! I hope you can rest in peace now :D | 13:01 |
| bilalakhtar | who can rest in peace a day before final freeze :) | 13:02 |
| bilalakhtar | well this is not a good approach, so trying to avoid | 13:02 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: the last week has been really quiet almost nothing on the sponsor queue. (and the qa.ubuntu.com is broken) | 13:03 |
| bilalakhtar | qa.ubuntu.com is down for server upgrades, tumbleweed | 13:03 |
| bilalakhtar | http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1121064158/upgrades-to-some-community-related-resources | 13:03 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: are you getting anywhere with libspring-2.5-java ? | 13:03 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: broken since the 6th | 13:04 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: the leader of the team has assigned the work to himself | 13:04 |
| bilalakhtar | yesterday I asked him | 13:05 |
| bilalakhtar | he said that he is willing to solve it | 13:05 |
| tumbleweed | cool | 13:05 |
| bilalakhtar | perhaps he is not leader, he is just a member | 13:05 |
| bilalakhtar | but from the way he speaks | 13:05 |
| bilalakhtar | 'My team ....' | 13:05 |
| bilalakhtar | he could be | 13:06 |
| tumbleweed | if you are talking about #debian-java I assume there is no leader | 13:06 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: yes I am talking about the Debian Java maints | 13:07 |
| bilalakhtar | How does the upload queue software differentiate between universe and main uploads? Even universe uploads have sections like 'net' and not 'universe/net' . | 13:34 |
| persia | The override files created by launchpad | 13:37 |
| bilalakhtar | aha | 13:37 |
| bilalakhtar | thanks persia | 13:38 |
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| bilalakhtar | persia: ping | 15:30 |
| ari-tczew | TheMuso: ping | 15:31 |
| bilalakhtar | ari-tczew: :) | 15:31 |
| ari-tczew | bilalakhtar: hello | 15:31 |
| bilalakhtar | ari-tczew: hello there! | 15:31 |
| bilalakhtar | ari-tczew: Howz life a day before the Final Freeze? | 15:31 |
| ari-tczew | bilalakhtar: I would prepare some patches today, but I'm busy due to homework :( | 15:32 |
| bilalakhtar | ari-tczew: ? | 15:32 |
| bilalakhtar | okay | 15:32 |
| ari-tczew | bilalakhtar: I'm looking for person who can add me to ubuntu-sponsors | 15:32 |
| bilalakhtar | What a coincidence! | 15:32 |
| bilalakhtar | ari-tczew: Me too! | 15:32 |
| bilalakhtar | That's why I pinged persia ! | 15:33 |
| ari-tczew | bilalakhtar: and in the same time! hehe | 15:33 |
| bilalakhtar | lol | 15:33 |
| bilalakhtar | dholbach is on vacation, kees doesn't seem to reply, any other ops? | 15:33 |
| bilalakhtar | s/ops/admins/ | 15:33 |
| ari-tczew | bilalakhtar: I looked @ user list of ubuntu-sponsors, TheMuso is an admin | 15:33 |
| bilalakhtar | The UIF doesn't affect universe, does it? | 15:36 |
| geser | bilalakhtar, ari-tczew: if you find something interesting in the sponsors queue, feel free to sponsor it. You don't need to be a member of ubuntu-sponsors for it. The only drawback is that you can't unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from bugs that aren't ready yet. | 15:36 |
| bilalakhtar | geser: and the sponsorship queue is down! | 15:37 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-sponsors&field.component=3&field.component=4 | 15:37 |
| * bilalakhtar views the subscribed bugs of ubuntu-sponsors | 15:37 | |
| tumbleweed | although that doesn't list merge proposals | 15:37 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: does the UIF affect universe? | 15:38 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: read the wiki page on it, I doubt any of the things it covers are in universe | 15:41 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: only desktop stuff, nothing for universe | 15:41 |
| tumbleweed | yup | 15:41 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: which are installed by default, nothing for universe | 15:42 |
| tumbleweed | yup | 15:42 |
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| bilalakhtar | Does this change need FFe? 'Add Universal zones to Add Zone tabs' | 15:45 |
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| * bilalakhtar is awaiting the acking of an FFe, if it crosses Final Freeze he might need another exception | 17:34 | |
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| c_korn | hm, testing an app in a schroot I get this error on startup: "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Wiican was not provided by any .service files" | 17:40 |
| c_korn | however I don't get this error when installing the package outside the schroot on my real machine | 17:40 |
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| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: around? | 17:51 |
| tumbleweed | hi | 17:51 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: I just want provide a meet your and davidsansome :) he is working on debian/copyright | 17:55 |
| ari-tczew | I want finish clementine | 17:55 |
| ari-tczew | how can I open task in bug? | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: nominate for release | 18:09 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: lucid is currently nominated. how can I open this taks? | 18:10 |
| ari-tczew | s/taks/task | 18:10 |
| bilalakhtar | ari-tczew: In a main package or universe? | 18:11 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: you can only do it for uni/multiverse bugs | 18:11 |
| * bilalakhtar is awaiting an FFe, if he doesn't get it soon he might need Final Freeze exception | 18:12 | |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed, bilalakhtar: that's right. package is in main. | 18:12 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: prod a core-dev | 18:13 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: Why is it preferred to have the debian changes in the changes file? | 18:19 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: it's preferred that your .changes file actually describes how the upload changes things | 18:20 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: ah okay | 18:20 |
| tumbleweed | I often forget, but tools like sponsor-patch remember :P | 18:20 |
| bilalakhtar | all thanks to tumbleweed and bdrung for the wonderfull tools in package ubuntu-dev-tools! | 18:24 |
| bilalakhtar | *wonderful | 18:24 |
| martoss | hey folks, I have a debhelper question concerning python packages. I wanna fix a package and found that an additional "setup.py build clib" is needed. How do I put this in the rules file? | 18:25 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: I'm not responsible for any of those tools (yet) :P (I just use and tweak them) | 18:26 |
| martoss | do I have to add this to "build-arch:" ? | 18:26 |
| tumbleweed | martoss: which package is this? | 18:27 |
| martoss | numpy 1.4.1 | 18:27 |
| martoss | without this, libnpymath.a isn't build which then does not allow building scipy 0.8.0 | 18:28 |
| bilalakhtar | martoss: Are you using the old (pre 7) style of debhelper rules? | 18:29 |
| bilalakhtar | IOW compat? | 18:29 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: it's a dh7 package | 18:29 |
| martoss | uhm, good question... | 18:29 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: ah okay | 18:30 |
| martoss | in the control it says debhelper > 7 | 18:30 |
| martoss | >= of course | 18:30 |
| bilalakhtar | martoss: compat level? | 18:30 |
| martoss | in the compat file there's a 7 | 18:31 |
| bilalakhtar | martoss: And in the rules file there is something like: | 18:31 |
| bilalakhtar | %: | 18:31 |
| martoss | yep | 18:31 |
| bilalakhtar | dh $@ | 18:31 |
| bilalakhtar | hmm | 18:31 |
| tumbleweed | martoss: in this case, you'd override dh_auto_build | 18:31 |
| bilalakhtar | martoss: then set up a rule called override_dh_auto_build and do stuff there | 18:31 |
| tumbleweed | martoss: talk to the numpy debian maintainers (#debian-python on OFTC is a good start) | 18:31 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: :) | 18:32 |
| martoss | all right, thx folks, I'll try that | 18:33 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: Do you hope to apply for DD? Any packages you maintain there? | 18:33 |
| bilalakhtar | ah, 2 packages | 18:34 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: yes I do intend to apply for DD. Yes: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=stefano@rivera.za.net&ubuntu=yes | 18:34 |
| * bilalakhtar wished he could maintain packages in Debian, he has 5 packages in the queue, of which one is almost at the brink of getting in | 18:35 | |
| tumbleweed | debian's NEW not particularly quick... | 18:36 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: ubuntu's no better, btw | 18:37 |
| tumbleweed | I also has a few things packaged up and waiting for sponsorship (for a couple of months). I suppose that's good motivation to push through NM | 18:38 |
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| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: grab-udd-merge failed with message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494364/ | 20:13 |
| tumbleweed | do you have bzr-buildpackage installed? | 20:16 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: err, the package is bzr-builddeb | 20:17 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: not installed | 20:17 |
| tumbleweed | you need it for UDD | 20:18 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: bzr: ERROR: There are conflicts in the working tree. You must resolve these before building. | 20:43 |
| ari-tczew | is it ok? | 20:43 |
| james_w | try "bzr resolve" | 20:47 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: could you show me an example of your usage syncpackage script? | 20:48 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: have you used bzr much before? | 20:52 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: conflicts are pretty normal when merging branches | 20:52 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: yes, but for patches, not for merging | 20:52 |
| tumbleweed | fix the conflicts, and then tell bzr you've fixed them, as james_w said | 20:53 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: ping for syncpackage example :-) | 20:53 |
| * tumbleweed doesn't use syncpackage itself much (only used it once or twice), but I use ack-sync regularly, which uses syncpackage | 20:53 | |
| ari-tczew | aha | 20:54 |
| Laney | IMHO that script should do the normal way by default and only use syncpackage with a flag | 20:58 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: yeah, I've been considering patching it to do that (seeing as syncs seem to be being processed quickly) | 21:01 |
| Laney | yes | 21:01 |
| Laney | and even if it takes a few days, it's rare for them to be urgent | 21:01 |
| tumbleweed | personally, I don't see what the big issue over syncpackage is, but people do seem concerned about it. | 21:02 |
| Laney | it introduces more chances for error | 21:02 |
| Laney | if Launchpad gets a proper syncing API then fine, but as long as the source has to travel through your computer then the archive→archive way is preferred | 21:03 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: it only writes the changes file, right? | 21:03 |
| Laney | who knows ;) | 21:04 |
| ari-tczew | please forgive me my n00b level, I'm just learning to sponsorship. | 21:05 |
| Laney | the more machines the source travels through the more chance for something to go wrong | 21:05 |
| ari-tczew | also, I want merging through bzr - including sponsoring merges | 21:06 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: ok, when not fakesysncing, it only writes a changes file. That means there's pretty good protection from mistakes (the sha hashes in the dsc) | 21:06 |
| tumbleweed | understand the argument, I'm just personally not that worried | 21:07 |
| tumbleweed | s/^/I / | 21:07 |
| ari-tczew | ack-sync is not available in currect stable ubuntu-dev-tools? | 21:08 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: it's not installed in the binary package | 21:09 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: ok, I'll download it manually and paste to ~/bin directory | 21:10 |
| dapal | BlackZ, directhex, DktrKranz: o/ | 21:16 |
| dapal | ooh, lots of other people I know here too | 21:16 |
| dapal | hello everybody | 21:16 |
| BlackZ | hey dapal | 21:17 |
| Laney | hiya hanska | 21:18 |
| dapal | oh, Laney too! | 21:18 |
| directhex | oh yeah, hanska hid as someone else didn't he ;) | 21:19 |
| dapal | ahah :) | 21:19 |
| * nigelb guess #ubuntu-uk is taking over here :p | 21:22 | |
| highvoltage | nigelb: are you in the UK? | 21:23 |
| nigelb | highvoltage: no | 21:23 |
| highvoltage | I thought so :) | 21:23 |
| * ajmitch is about as far from the UK as you can get | 21:24 | |
| nigelb | ajmitch: heh, but lizzie is still head of govt for you? | 21:24 |
| ajmitch | technically yes | 21:25 |
| highvoltage | the canadians still have pictures of the queen on their money!!!! | 21:25 |
| ajmitch | so do we still :) | 21:25 |
| highvoltage | in south africa we replaced her with animals :) | 21:25 |
| ajmitch | .za has always been a bit different | 21:26 |
| highvoltage | indeed. | 21:26 |
| ari-tczew | tumbleweed: do I need to report bug for sync? E: You must specify at least one bug number. (ack-sync) | 21:27 |
| highvoltage | nigelb: did you do away with queen money in india at least? | 21:27 |
| tumbleweed | ari-tczew: ack-sync is a tool for sponsoring syncs, not doing them. For that file a bug and subscribe archive, or use syncpackage. | 21:27 |
| nigelb | highvoltage: we did, yes :) | 21:28 |
| nigelb | highvoltage: a few years down the line when you become canadian, you'll have to promise your loyality to her ;) | 21:28 |
| nigelb | when you *decide to | 21:29 |
| tumbleweed | nigelb: we'll try hard to keep him south african :P | 21:29 |
| nigelb | tumbleweed: haha | 21:29 |
| highvoltage | nigelb: I doubt it will come to that, i'll probably move to Brazil or California or Barcelona in 2 years | 21:31 |
| nigelb | highvoltage: wow, keep traveling? how lucky :) | 21:32 |
| ajmitch | highvoltage: why not NZ? | 21:32 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: NZ would be culturally a lot easier than Canada for me, but it's a bit far from places I need to be regularly | 21:32 |
| directhex | too many sheep, and he has a crippling sheep phobia | 21:33 |
| ajmitch | heh | 21:33 |
| highvoltage | I actually stayed in a cottage on a farm for a bit, and left my front door open while going to the neighbours, and when I got back my place was *full* of sheep | 21:33 |
| ajmitch | & so you had mutton for dinner? | 21:33 |
| highvoltage | they tried to eat my curtains and furniture but when I started yelling at them they just stampeded out | 21:34 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch: lol | 21:34 |
| * ari-tczew is proud due to ACKing syncs independent. | 21:44 | |
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| Laney | bah | 23:28 |
| Laney | I thought ubuntu-developer-manual was going to be something other than what it is | 23:28 |
| ajmitch | Laney: you thought it'd be useful for packaging stuff? | 23:37 |
| Laney | I thought it would be a manual for ubuntu developers | 23:37 |
| Laney | but it is a manual for developing on ubuntu | 23:37 |
| devildante | vish, is it now five? | 23:40 |
| vish | devildante: finally! | 23:40 |
| devildante | aha! | 23:40 |
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