[00:04] uhm, if it's going to use inotify I guess it could as well look for the /usr/bin/zeitgeist-daemon file being replaced + watch the extensions directory [00:07] RainCT: yeah, sounds even better [00:08] kklimonda: I'll see what the other Zeitgeist developers think about this. Thanks for the idea :) === evilnhandler is now known as nhandler === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [06:42] micahg: ping, just a bump about mongodb. ;) [07:22] SpamapS: sorry, will try to get to it tomorrow [07:22] SpamapS: note, we're not bound by final freeze to fix this [07:24] bilalakhtar: you should set your client to authenticate [07:24] bilalakhtar: and congrats on becoming a MOTU :) [07:24] micahg: It does, and waits 3 seconds after that, but that's not enough [07:25] :) [07:25] micahg: That was smoother [07:26] I have set to auto-join #ubuntu , and if I authenticate after joining, then the floodbot asks me a question [07:26] bilalakhtar: it seems you're not the only one with the issue ;) [07:27] micahg: :) [07:41] persia: around? Could you please add me to -sponsors? [07:43] micahg: good point... may be something better left until after those things are resolved === hrw|gone is now known as hrw === Zic_ is now known as Zic === hannesw__ is now known as hannesw [11:00] tumbleweed: yeah, I should look into that override, which build system do you use, I don't see this stuff in pbuilder [11:24] micahg: I run lintian in a pbuilder hook [12:40] Sweet. I added a new email address to my launchpad account. The confirmation link presents me a really great page: [Cancel] [Continue] [12:41] … with no text at all whatsoever additional to that. :) [12:41] bilalakhtar: hi, I seen you uploaded a new release of a native Debian package (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-September/007640.html) but the Debian changelog of that new version of the package (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/menu/menu_2.1.44/changelog) says: "* The "Bordeaux" release." so it's a new release. Did you get a FFe for it? (does Debian native packages require a FFe for new upstream releases? [12:41] ), also, you didn't build that package with the option "-v" of debuild [12:42] hmm.. sorry [12:42] .. for the double-lines :) [12:44] back [12:44] hey BlackZ ! [12:45] no that is the release, but its dbeian-native [12:45] *debian [12:45] AND [12:45] debian-native packages [12:45] bilalakhtar: so doesn't it require a FFe? [12:46] having the last part of their version incremented don't come under 'new upstream release' [12:46] BlackZ: no [12:46] bilalakhtar: if it's a native Debian package there's not a "upstream" :) [12:47] BlackZ: see the last ubuntu changelog [12:47] bilalakhtar: OK, in the future please don't forgot to debuild the packages with the "-v" options (e.g. when you're doing a merge), however this is a common mistake :) [12:48] s/options/option [12:48] BlackZ: But the version is correct1 [12:48] ! [12:48] bilalakhtar: it adds the debian changelog entry to the changes file [12:48] bilalakhtar: ^ [12:48] -vX = all changes since X [12:48] :) [12:48] I used this approach long ago, then gave up in favour of -i [12:49] bilalakhtar: tumbleweed said what I was just typing, however as I said: "this is a common mistake" [12:49] Thanks BlackZ and tumbleweed [12:50] bilalakhtar: :) [12:50] bilalakhtar: I was not sure if Debian native packages require a FFe for new releases and/or features [12:50] BlackZ: But I saw a few such uploads recently1 [12:50] ! [12:50] I think it's up to your judgement. Fixing important bugs without too much new stuff = no FFe. [12:50] without any FFe [12:50] err, I don't see why a package being native should change any freeze requirements [12:51] new features = exception required, being a new upstream release has precisely no bearing on that [12:51] Laney: is right [12:51] hehe, the diff between the 1.43 and 1.44 is also very litte [12:51] *little [12:51] suggesting no major changes needint FFE [12:51] No features [12:51] All are PO changes and bug fixes [12:52] That's alright then, but you should worry about the contents of the diff and not about the version number. [12:53] 'k [12:53] Laney: the mine was a suggestion :P [12:53] almost I do so [12:54] tumbleweed: are you following up the darcs patch in Debian with a NMU? [12:54] Laney: I filed a bug with an NMU diff, but I havn't gone sponsor-hunting. [12:55] tumbleweed: yeah I saw, you can mail debian-haskell@l.d.o and someone should pick it up [12:55] bilalakhtar: it's OK then, I asked because I read "* The "Bordeaux" release." in the Debian changelog of the new version of that package :) [12:55] Laney: ok, thanks [12:55] We can go ahead with fixing bugs without any major roadblock (though the package will go into the queue) after Final Freeze? [12:55] thanks for that btw [12:55] Thanks BlackZ ! [12:55] yes [12:55] final freeze is nominal for universe for some time yet [12:55] Laney: np, low hanging fruit ftw [13:01] tumbleweed: Thank for your sponsorships! I hope you can rest in peace now :D [13:02] who can rest in peace a day before final freeze :) [13:02] well this is not a good approach, so trying to avoid [13:03] bilalakhtar: the last week has been really quiet almost nothing on the sponsor queue. (and the qa.ubuntu.com is broken) [13:03] qa.ubuntu.com is down for server upgrades, tumbleweed [13:03] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1121064158/upgrades-to-some-community-related-resources [13:03] bilalakhtar: are you getting anywhere with libspring-2.5-java ? [13:04] bilalakhtar: broken since the 6th [13:04] tumbleweed: the leader of the team has assigned the work to himself [13:05] yesterday I asked him [13:05] he said that he is willing to solve it [13:05] cool [13:05] perhaps he is not leader, he is just a member [13:05] but from the way he speaks [13:05] 'My team ....' [13:06] he could be [13:06] if you are talking about #debian-java I assume there is no leader [13:07] tumbleweed: yes I am talking about the Debian Java maints [13:34] How does the upload queue software differentiate between universe and main uploads? Even universe uploads have sections like 'net' and not 'universe/net' . [13:37] The override files created by launchpad [13:37] aha [13:38] thanks persia === ivoks-afk is now known as ivoks === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk === xfaf is now known as zul === IdleOne is now known as IdleOp [15:30] persia: ping [15:31] TheMuso: ping [15:31] ari-tczew: :) [15:31] bilalakhtar: hello [15:31] ari-tczew: hello there! [15:31] ari-tczew: Howz life a day before the Final Freeze? [15:32] bilalakhtar: I would prepare some patches today, but I'm busy due to homework :( [15:32] ari-tczew: ? [15:32] okay [15:32] bilalakhtar: I'm looking for person who can add me to ubuntu-sponsors [15:32] What a coincidence! [15:32] ari-tczew: Me too! [15:33] That's why I pinged persia ! [15:33] bilalakhtar: and in the same time! hehe [15:33] lol [15:33] dholbach is on vacation, kees doesn't seem to reply, any other ops? [15:33] s/ops/admins/ [15:33] bilalakhtar: I looked @ user list of ubuntu-sponsors, TheMuso is an admin [15:36] The UIF doesn't affect universe, does it? [15:36] bilalakhtar, ari-tczew: if you find something interesting in the sponsors queue, feel free to sponsor it. You don't need to be a member of ubuntu-sponsors for it. The only drawback is that you can't unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from bugs that aren't ready yet. [15:37] geser: and the sponsorship queue is down! [15:37] bilalakhtar: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-sponsors&field.component=3&field.component=4 [15:37] * bilalakhtar views the subscribed bugs of ubuntu-sponsors [15:37] although that doesn't list merge proposals [15:38] tumbleweed: does the UIF affect universe? [15:41] bilalakhtar: read the wiki page on it, I doubt any of the things it covers are in universe [15:41] tumbleweed: only desktop stuff, nothing for universe [15:41] yup [15:42] tumbleweed: which are installed by default, nothing for universe [15:42] yup === ara_ is now known as ara [15:45] Does this change need FFe? 'Add Universal zones to Add Zone tabs' === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === yofel_ is now known as yofel === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:34] * bilalakhtar is awaiting the acking of an FFe, if it crosses Final Freeze he might need another exception === ivoks-afk is now known as ivoks [17:40] hm, testing an app in a schroot I get this error on startup: "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Wiican was not provided by any .service files" [17:40] however I don't get this error when installing the package outside the schroot on my real machine === roaksoax__ is now known as andreserl [17:51] tumbleweed: around? [17:51] hi [17:55] tumbleweed: I just want provide a meet your and davidsansome :) he is working on debian/copyright [17:55] I want finish clementine [18:08] how can I open task in bug? [18:09] ari-tczew: nominate for release [18:10] tumbleweed: lucid is currently nominated. how can I open this taks? [18:10] s/taks/task [18:11] ari-tczew: In a main package or universe? [18:11] ari-tczew: you can only do it for uni/multiverse bugs [18:12] * bilalakhtar is awaiting an FFe, if he doesn't get it soon he might need Final Freeze exception [18:12] tumbleweed, bilalakhtar: that's right. package is in main. [18:13] ari-tczew: prod a core-dev [18:19] tumbleweed: Why is it preferred to have the debian changes in the changes file? [18:20] bilalakhtar: it's preferred that your .changes file actually describes how the upload changes things [18:20] tumbleweed: ah okay [18:20] I often forget, but tools like sponsor-patch remember :P [18:24] all thanks to tumbleweed and bdrung for the wonderfull tools in package ubuntu-dev-tools! [18:24] *wonderful [18:25] hey folks, I have a debhelper question concerning python packages. I wanna fix a package and found that an additional "setup.py build clib" is needed. How do I put this in the rules file? [18:26] bilalakhtar: I'm not responsible for any of those tools (yet) :P (I just use and tweak them) [18:26] do I have to add this to "build-arch:" ? [18:27] martoss: which package is this? [18:27] numpy 1.4.1 [18:28] without this, libnpymath.a isn't build which then does not allow building scipy 0.8.0 [18:29] martoss: Are you using the old (pre 7) style of debhelper rules? [18:29] IOW compat? [18:29] bilalakhtar: it's a dh7 package [18:29] uhm, good question... [18:30] tumbleweed: ah okay [18:30] in the control it says debhelper > 7 [18:30] >= of course [18:30] martoss: compat level? [18:31] in the compat file there's a 7 [18:31] martoss: And in the rules file there is something like: [18:31] %: [18:31] yep [18:31] dh $@ [18:31] hmm [18:31] martoss: in this case, you'd override dh_auto_build [18:31] martoss: then set up a rule called override_dh_auto_build and do stuff there [18:31] martoss: talk to the numpy debian maintainers (#debian-python on OFTC is a good start) [18:32] tumbleweed: :) [18:33] all right, thx folks, I'll try that [18:33] tumbleweed: Do you hope to apply for DD? Any packages you maintain there? [18:34] ah, 2 packages [18:34] bilalakhtar: yes I do intend to apply for DD. Yes: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=stefano@rivera.za.net&ubuntu=yes [18:35] * bilalakhtar wished he could maintain packages in Debian, he has 5 packages in the queue, of which one is almost at the brink of getting in [18:36] debian's NEW not particularly quick... [18:37] tumbleweed: ubuntu's no better, btw [18:38] I also has a few things packaged up and waiting for sponsorship (for a couple of months). I suppose that's good motivation to push through NM === ivoks is now known as ivoks-afk [20:13] tumbleweed: grab-udd-merge failed with message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494364/ [20:16] do you have bzr-buildpackage installed? [20:17] ari-tczew: err, the package is bzr-builddeb [20:17] tumbleweed: not installed [20:18] you need it for UDD [20:43] tumbleweed: bzr: ERROR: There are conflicts in the working tree. You must resolve these before building. [20:43] is it ok? [20:47] try "bzr resolve" [20:48] tumbleweed: could you show me an example of your usage syncpackage script? [20:52] ari-tczew: have you used bzr much before? [20:52] ari-tczew: conflicts are pretty normal when merging branches [20:52] tumbleweed: yes, but for patches, not for merging [20:53] fix the conflicts, and then tell bzr you've fixed them, as james_w said [20:53] tumbleweed: ping for syncpackage example :-) [20:53] * tumbleweed doesn't use syncpackage itself much (only used it once or twice), but I use ack-sync regularly, which uses syncpackage [20:54] aha [20:58] IMHO that script should do the normal way by default and only use syncpackage with a flag [21:01] Laney: yeah, I've been considering patching it to do that (seeing as syncs seem to be being processed quickly) [21:01] yes [21:01] and even if it takes a few days, it's rare for them to be urgent [21:02] personally, I don't see what the big issue over syncpackage is, but people do seem concerned about it. [21:02] it introduces more chances for error [21:03] if Launchpad gets a proper syncing API then fine, but as long as the source has to travel through your computer then the archive→archive way is preferred [21:03] Laney: it only writes the changes file, right? [21:04] who knows ;) [21:05] please forgive me my n00b level, I'm just learning to sponsorship. [21:05] the more machines the source travels through the more chance for something to go wrong [21:06] also, I want merging through bzr - including sponsoring merges [21:06] Laney: ok, when not fakesysncing, it only writes a changes file. That means there's pretty good protection from mistakes (the sha hashes in the dsc) [21:07] understand the argument, I'm just personally not that worried [21:07] s/^/I / [21:08] ack-sync is not available in currect stable ubuntu-dev-tools? [21:09] ari-tczew: it's not installed in the binary package [21:10] tumbleweed: ok, I'll download it manually and paste to ~/bin directory [21:16] BlackZ, directhex, DktrKranz: o/ [21:16] ooh, lots of other people I know here too [21:16] hello everybody [21:17] hey dapal [21:18] hiya hanska [21:18] oh, Laney too! [21:19] oh yeah, hanska hid as someone else didn't he ;) [21:19] ahah :) [21:22] * nigelb guess #ubuntu-uk is taking over here :p [21:23] nigelb: are you in the UK? [21:23] highvoltage: no [21:23] I thought so :) [21:24] * ajmitch is about as far from the UK as you can get [21:24] ajmitch: heh, but lizzie is still head of govt for you? [21:25] technically yes [21:25] the canadians still have pictures of the queen on their money!!!! [21:25] so do we still :) [21:25] in south africa we replaced her with animals :) [21:26] .za has always been a bit different [21:26] indeed. [21:27] tumbleweed: do I need to report bug for sync? E: You must specify at least one bug number. (ack-sync) [21:27] nigelb: did you do away with queen money in india at least? [21:27] ari-tczew: ack-sync is a tool for sponsoring syncs, not doing them. For that file a bug and subscribe archive, or use syncpackage. [21:28] highvoltage: we did, yes :) [21:28] highvoltage: a few years down the line when you become canadian, you'll have to promise your loyality to her ;) [21:29] when you *decide to [21:29] nigelb: we'll try hard to keep him south african :P [21:29] tumbleweed: haha [21:31] nigelb: I doubt it will come to that, i'll probably move to Brazil or California or Barcelona in 2 years [21:32] highvoltage: wow, keep traveling? how lucky :) [21:32] highvoltage: why not NZ? [21:32] ajmitch: NZ would be culturally a lot easier than Canada for me, but it's a bit far from places I need to be regularly [21:33] too many sheep, and he has a crippling sheep phobia [21:33] heh [21:33] I actually stayed in a cottage on a farm for a bit, and left my front door open while going to the neighbours, and when I got back my place was *full* of sheep [21:33] & so you had mutton for dinner? [21:34] they tried to eat my curtains and furniture but when I started yelling at them they just stampeded out [21:34] ajmitch: lol [21:44] * ari-tczew is proud due to ACKing syncs independent. === IdleOp is now known as IdleOne [23:28] bah [23:28] I thought ubuntu-developer-manual was going to be something other than what it is [23:37] Laney: you thought it'd be useful for packaging stuff? [23:37] I thought it would be a manual for ubuntu developers [23:37] but it is a manual for developing on ubuntu [23:40] vish, is it now five? [23:40] devildante: finally! [23:40] aha!