[00:04] <RainCT> uhm, if it's going to use inotify I guess it could as well look for the /usr/bin/zeitgeist-daemon file being replaced + watch the extensions directory
[00:07] <kklimonda> RainCT: yeah, sounds even better
[00:08] <RainCT> kklimonda: I'll see what the other Zeitgeist developers think about this. Thanks for the idea :)
[06:42] <SpamapS> micahg: ping, just a bump about mongodb. ;)
[07:22] <micahg> SpamapS: sorry, will try to get to it tomorrow
[07:22] <micahg> SpamapS: note, we're not bound by final freeze to fix this
[07:24] <micahg> bilalakhtar: you should set your client to authenticate
[07:24] <micahg> bilalakhtar: and congrats on becoming a MOTU :)
[07:24] <bilalakhtar> micahg: It does, and waits 3 seconds after that, but that's not enough
[07:25] <micahg> :)
[07:25] <bilalakhtar> micahg: That was smoother
[07:26] <bilalakhtar> I have set to auto-join #ubuntu , and if I authenticate after joining, then the floodbot asks me a question
[07:26] <micahg> bilalakhtar: it seems you're not the only one with the issue ;)
[07:27] <bilalakhtar> micahg: :)
[07:41] <bilalakhtar> persia: around? Could you please add me to -sponsors?
[07:43] <SpamapS> micahg: good point... may be something better left until after those things are resolved
[11:00] <micahg> tumbleweed: yeah, I should look into that override, which build system do you use, I don't see this stuff in pbuilder
[11:24] <tumbleweed> micahg: I run lintian in a pbuilder hook
[12:40] <Rhonda> Sweet. I added a new email address to my launchpad account. The confirmation link presents me a really great page:  [Cancel] [Continue]
[12:41] <Rhonda> … with no text at all whatsoever additional to that. :)
[12:41] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: hi, I seen you uploaded a new release of a native Debian package (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-September/007640.html) but the Debian changelog of that new version of the package (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/menu/menu_2.1.44/changelog) says: "* The "Bordeaux" release." so it's a new release. Did you get a FFe for it? (does Debian native packages require a FFe for new upstream releases?
[12:41] <BlackZ> ), also, you didn't build that package with the option "-v" of debuild
[12:42] <BlackZ> hmm.. sorry
[12:42] <BlackZ> .. for the double-lines :)
[12:44] <bilalakhtar> back
[12:44] <bilalakhtar> hey BlackZ !
[12:45] <bilalakhtar> no that is the release, but its dbeian-native
[12:45] <bilalakhtar> *debian
[12:45] <bilalakhtar> AND
[12:45] <bilalakhtar> debian-native packages
[12:45] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: so doesn't it require a FFe?
[12:46] <bilalakhtar> having the last part of their version incremented don't come under 'new upstream release'
[12:46] <bilalakhtar> BlackZ: no
[12:46] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: if it's a native Debian package there's not a "upstream" :)
[12:47] <bilalakhtar> BlackZ: see the last ubuntu changelog
[12:47] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: OK, in the future please don't forgot to debuild the packages with the "-v" options (e.g. when you're doing a merge), however this is a common mistake :)
[12:48] <BlackZ> s/options/option
[12:48] <bilalakhtar> BlackZ: But the version is correct1
[12:48] <bilalakhtar> !
[12:48] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: it adds the debian changelog entry to the changes file
[12:48] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: ^
[12:48] <tumbleweed> -vX = all changes since X
[12:48] <bilalakhtar> :)
[12:48] <bilalakhtar> I used this approach long ago, then gave up in favour of -i
[12:49] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: tumbleweed said what I was just typing, however as I said: "this is a common mistake"
[12:49] <bilalakhtar> Thanks BlackZ and tumbleweed
[12:50] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: :)
[12:50] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: I was not sure if Debian native packages require a FFe for new releases and/or features
[12:50] <bilalakhtar> BlackZ: But I saw a few such uploads recently1
[12:50] <bilalakhtar> !
[12:50] <tumbleweed> I think it's up to your judgement. Fixing important bugs without too much new stuff = no FFe.
[12:50] <bilalakhtar> without any FFe
[12:50] <Laney> err, I don't see why a package being native should change any freeze requirements
[12:51] <Laney> new features = exception required, being a new upstream release has precisely no bearing on that
[12:51] <BlackZ> Laney: is right
[12:51] <bilalakhtar> hehe, the diff between the 1.43 and 1.44 is also very litte
[12:51] <bilalakhtar> *little
[12:51] <bilalakhtar> suggesting no major changes needint FFE
[12:51] <bilalakhtar> No features
[12:51] <bilalakhtar> All are PO changes and bug fixes
[12:52] <Laney> That's alright then, but you should worry about the contents of the diff and not about the version number.
[12:53] <bilalakhtar> 'k
[12:53] <BlackZ> Laney: the mine was a suggestion :P
[12:53] <BlackZ> almost I do so
[12:54] <Laney> tumbleweed: are you following up the darcs patch in Debian with a NMU?
[12:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: I filed a bug with an NMU diff, but I havn't gone sponsor-hunting.
[12:55] <Laney> tumbleweed: yeah I saw, you can mail debian-haskell@l.d.o and someone should pick it up
[12:55] <BlackZ> bilalakhtar: it's OK then, I asked because I read "* The "Bordeaux" release." in the Debian changelog of the new version of that package :)
[12:55] <tumbleweed> Laney: ok, thanks
[12:55] <bilalakhtar> We can go ahead with fixing bugs without any major roadblock (though the package will go into the queue) after Final Freeze?
[12:55] <Laney> thanks for that btw
[12:55] <bilalakhtar> Thanks BlackZ !
[12:55] <Laney> yes
[12:55] <Laney> final freeze is nominal for universe for some time yet
[12:55] <tumbleweed> Laney: np, low hanging fruit ftw
[13:01] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Thank for your sponsorships! I hope you can rest in peace now :D
[13:02] <bilalakhtar> who can rest in peace a day before final freeze :)
[13:02] <bilalakhtar> well this is not a good approach, so trying to avoid
[13:03] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: the last week has been really quiet almost nothing on the sponsor queue. (and the qa.ubuntu.com is broken)
[13:03] <bilalakhtar> qa.ubuntu.com is down for server upgrades, tumbleweed
[13:03] <bilalakhtar> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1121064158/upgrades-to-some-community-related-resources
[13:03] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: are you getting anywhere with libspring-2.5-java ?
[13:04] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: broken since the 6th
[13:04] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: the leader of the team has assigned the work to himself
[13:05] <bilalakhtar> yesterday I asked him
[13:05] <bilalakhtar> he said that he is willing to solve it
[13:05] <tumbleweed> cool
[13:05] <bilalakhtar> perhaps he is not leader, he is just a member
[13:05] <bilalakhtar> but from the way he speaks
[13:05] <bilalakhtar> 'My team ....'
[13:06] <bilalakhtar> he could be
[13:06] <tumbleweed> if you are talking about #debian-java I assume there is no leader
[13:07] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: yes I am talking about the Debian Java maints
[13:34] <bilalakhtar> How does the upload queue software differentiate between universe and main uploads? Even universe uploads have sections like 'net' and not 'universe/net' .
[13:37] <persia> The override files created by launchpad
[13:37] <bilalakhtar> aha
[13:38] <bilalakhtar> thanks persia
[15:30] <bilalakhtar> persia: ping
[15:31] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: ping
[15:31] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: :)
[15:31] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: hello
[15:31] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: hello there!
[15:31] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: Howz life a day before the Final Freeze?
[15:32] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I would prepare some patches today, but I'm busy due to homework :(
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: ?
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> okay
[15:32] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I'm looking for person who can add me to ubuntu-sponsors
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> What a coincidence!
[15:32] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: Me too!
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> That's why I pinged persia !
[15:33] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: and in the same time! hehe
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> lol
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> dholbach is on vacation, kees doesn't seem to reply, any other ops?
[15:33] <bilalakhtar> s/ops/admins/
[15:33] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I looked @ user list of ubuntu-sponsors, TheMuso is an admin
[15:36] <bilalakhtar> The UIF doesn't affect universe, does it?
[15:36] <geser> bilalakhtar, ari-tczew: if you find something interesting in the sponsors queue, feel free to sponsor it. You don't need to be a member of ubuntu-sponsors for it. The only drawback is that you can't unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from bugs that aren't ready yet.
[15:37] <bilalakhtar> geser: and the sponsorship queue is down!
[15:37] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-sponsors&field.component=3&field.component=4
[15:37]  * bilalakhtar views the subscribed bugs of ubuntu-sponsors
[15:37] <tumbleweed> although that doesn't list merge proposals
[15:38] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: does the UIF affect universe?
[15:41] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: read the wiki page on it, I doubt any of the things it covers are in universe
[15:41] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: only desktop stuff, nothing for universe
[15:41] <tumbleweed> yup
[15:42] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: which are installed by default, nothing for universe
[15:42] <tumbleweed> yup
[15:45] <bilalakhtar> Does this change need FFe? 'Add Universal zones to Add Zone tabs'
[17:34]  * bilalakhtar is awaiting the acking of an FFe, if it crosses Final Freeze he might need another exception
[17:40] <c_korn> hm, testing an app in a schroot I get this error on startup: "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Wiican was not provided by any .service files"
[17:40] <c_korn> however I don't get this error when installing the package outside the schroot on my real machine
[17:51] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[17:51] <tumbleweed> hi
[17:55] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I just want provide a meet your and davidsansome :) he is working on debian/copyright
[17:55] <ari-tczew> I want finish clementine
[18:08] <ari-tczew> how can I open task in bug?
[18:09] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: nominate for release
[18:10] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: lucid is currently nominated. how can I open this taks?
[18:10] <ari-tczew> s/taks/task
[18:11] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: In a main package or universe?
[18:11] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: you can only do it for uni/multiverse bugs
[18:12]  * bilalakhtar is awaiting an FFe, if he doesn't get it soon he might need Final Freeze exception
[18:12] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed, bilalakhtar: that's right. package is in main.
[18:13] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: prod a core-dev
[18:19] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Why is it preferred to have the debian changes in the changes file?
[18:20] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: it's preferred that your .changes file actually describes how the upload changes things
[18:20] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ah okay
[18:20] <tumbleweed> I often forget, but tools like sponsor-patch remember :P
[18:24] <bilalakhtar> all thanks to tumbleweed and bdrung for the wonderfull tools in package ubuntu-dev-tools!
[18:24] <bilalakhtar> *wonderful
[18:25] <martoss> hey folks, I have a debhelper question concerning python packages. I wanna fix a package and found that an additional "setup.py build clib" is needed. How do I put this in the rules file?
[18:26] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: I'm not responsible for any of those tools (yet) :P (I just use and tweak them)
[18:26] <martoss> do I have to add this to "build-arch:" ?
[18:27] <tumbleweed> martoss: which package is this?
[18:27] <martoss> numpy 1.4.1
[18:28] <martoss> without this, libnpymath.a isn't build which then does not allow building scipy 0.8.0
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> martoss: Are you using the old (pre 7) style of debhelper rules?
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> IOW compat?
[18:29] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: it's a dh7 package
[18:29] <martoss> uhm, good question...
[18:30] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ah okay
[18:30] <martoss> in the control it says debhelper > 7
[18:30] <martoss> >= of course
[18:30] <bilalakhtar> martoss: compat level?
[18:31] <martoss> in the compat file there's a 7
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> martoss: And in the rules file there is something like:
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> %:
[18:31] <martoss> yep
[18:31] <bilalakhtar>             dh $@
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[18:31] <tumbleweed> martoss: in this case, you'd override dh_auto_build
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> martoss: then set up a rule called override_dh_auto_build and do stuff there
[18:31] <tumbleweed> martoss: talk to the numpy debian maintainers (#debian-python on OFTC is a good start)
[18:32] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: :)
[18:33] <martoss> all right, thx folks, I'll try that
[18:33] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Do you hope to apply for DD? Any packages you maintain there?
[18:34] <bilalakhtar> ah, 2 packages
[18:34] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: yes I do intend to apply for DD. Yes: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=stefano@rivera.za.net&ubuntu=yes
[18:35]  * bilalakhtar wished he could maintain packages in Debian, he has 5 packages in the queue, of which one is almost at the brink of getting in
[18:36] <tumbleweed> debian's NEW not particularly quick...
[18:37] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ubuntu's no better, btw
[18:38] <tumbleweed> I also has a few things packaged up and waiting for sponsorship (for a couple of months). I suppose that's good motivation to push through NM
[20:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: grab-udd-merge failed with message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494364/
[20:16] <tumbleweed> do you have bzr-buildpackage installed?
[20:17] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: err, the package is bzr-builddeb
[20:17] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: not installed
[20:18] <tumbleweed> you need it for UDD
[20:43] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: bzr: ERROR: There are conflicts in the working tree. You must resolve these before building.
[20:43] <ari-tczew> is it ok?
[20:47] <james_w> try "bzr resolve"
[20:48] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you show me an example of your usage syncpackage script?
[20:52] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: have you used bzr much before?
[20:52] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: conflicts are pretty normal when merging branches
[20:52] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: yes, but for patches, not for merging
[20:53] <tumbleweed> fix the conflicts, and then tell bzr you've fixed them, as james_w said
[20:53] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: ping for syncpackage example :-)
[20:53]  * tumbleweed doesn't use syncpackage itself much (only used it once or twice), but I use ack-sync regularly, which uses syncpackage
[20:54] <ari-tczew> aha
[20:58] <Laney> IMHO that script should do the normal way by default and only use syncpackage with a flag
[21:01] <tumbleweed> Laney: yeah, I've been considering patching it to do that (seeing as syncs seem to be being processed quickly)
[21:01] <Laney> yes
[21:01] <Laney> and even if it takes a few days, it's rare for them to be urgent
[21:02] <tumbleweed> personally, I don't see what the big issue over syncpackage is, but people do seem concerned about it.
[21:02] <Laney> it introduces more chances for error
[21:03] <Laney> if Launchpad gets a proper syncing API then fine, but as long as the source has to travel through your computer then the archive→archive way is preferred
[21:03] <tumbleweed> Laney: it only writes the changes file, right?
[21:04] <Laney> who knows ;)
[21:05] <ari-tczew> please forgive me my n00b level, I'm just learning to sponsorship.
[21:05] <Laney> the more machines the source travels through the more chance for something to go wrong
[21:06] <ari-tczew> also, I want merging through bzr - including sponsoring merges
[21:06] <tumbleweed> Laney: ok, when not fakesysncing, it only writes a changes file. That means there's pretty good protection from mistakes (the sha hashes in the dsc)
[21:07] <tumbleweed> understand the argument, I'm just personally not that worried
[21:07] <tumbleweed> s/^/I /
[21:08] <ari-tczew> ack-sync is not available in currect stable ubuntu-dev-tools?
[21:09] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: it's not installed in the binary package
[21:10] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: ok, I'll download it manually and paste to ~/bin directory
[21:16] <dapal> BlackZ, directhex, DktrKranz: o/
[21:16] <dapal> ooh, lots of other people I know here too
[21:16] <dapal> hello everybody
[21:17] <BlackZ> hey dapal
[21:18] <Laney> hiya hanska
[21:18] <dapal> oh, Laney too!
[21:19] <directhex> oh yeah, hanska hid as someone else didn't he ;)
[21:19] <dapal> ahah :)
[21:22]  * nigelb guess #ubuntu-uk is taking over here :p
[21:23] <highvoltage> nigelb: are you in the UK?
[21:23] <nigelb> highvoltage: no
[21:23] <highvoltage> I thought so :)
[21:24]  * ajmitch is about as far from the UK as you can get
[21:24] <nigelb> ajmitch: heh, but lizzie is still head of govt for you?
[21:25] <ajmitch> technically yes
[21:25] <highvoltage> the canadians still have pictures of the queen on their money!!!!
[21:25] <ajmitch> so do we still :)
[21:25] <highvoltage> in south africa we replaced her with animals :)
[21:26] <ajmitch> .za has always been a bit different
[21:26] <highvoltage> indeed.
[21:27] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: do I need to report bug for sync? E: You must specify at least one bug number. (ack-sync)
[21:27] <highvoltage> nigelb: did you do away with queen money in india at least?
[21:27] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: ack-sync is a tool for sponsoring syncs, not doing them. For that file a bug and subscribe archive, or use syncpackage.
[21:28] <nigelb> highvoltage: we did, yes :)
[21:28] <nigelb> highvoltage: a few years down the line when you become canadian, you'll have to promise your loyality to her ;)
[21:29] <nigelb> when you *decide to
[21:29] <tumbleweed> nigelb: we'll try hard to keep him south african :P
[21:29] <nigelb> tumbleweed: haha
[21:31] <highvoltage> nigelb: I doubt it will come to that, i'll probably move to Brazil or California or Barcelona in 2 years
[21:32] <nigelb> highvoltage: wow, keep traveling? how lucky :)
[21:32] <ajmitch> highvoltage: why not NZ?
[21:32] <highvoltage> ajmitch: NZ would be culturally a lot easier than Canada for me, but it's a bit far from places I need to be regularly
[21:33] <directhex> too many sheep, and he has a crippling sheep phobia
[21:33] <ajmitch> heh
[21:33] <highvoltage> I actually stayed in a cottage on a farm for a bit, and left my front door open while going to the neighbours, and when I got back my place was *full* of sheep
[21:33] <ajmitch> & so you had mutton for dinner?
[21:34] <highvoltage> they tried to eat my curtains and furniture but when I started yelling at them they just stampeded out
[21:34] <highvoltage> ajmitch: lol
[21:44]  * ari-tczew is proud due to ACKing syncs independent.
[23:28] <Laney> bah
[23:28] <Laney> I thought ubuntu-developer-manual was going to be something other than what it is
[23:37] <ajmitch> Laney: you thought it'd be useful for packaging stuff?
[23:37] <Laney> I thought it would be a manual for ubuntu developers
[23:37] <Laney> but it is a manual for developing on ubuntu
[23:40] <devildante> vish, is it now five?
[23:40] <vish> devildante: finally!
[23:40] <devildante> aha!