[12:12] <bazhang> ericblair looks a heckuva lot like mesula
[12:13] <ikonia> yes
[12:13] <ikonia> I have thought about that, same with the BT IP
[12:13] <bazhang> seeming to be wanting help, but then just trolling
[12:13] <ikonia> agreed
[12:14] <ikonia> the pm's I had off him yesterday also made me feel that
[12:14] <bazhang> okay
[12:42] <jussi> !no es-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si quieres charlar en español, entra en el canal #ubuntu-es-offtopic. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es-offtopic" (sin comillas) y dale a Enter. Gracias!
[12:42] <jussi> !es-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si quieres charlar en español, entra en el canal #ubuntu-es-offtopic. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es-offtopic" (sin comillas) y dale a Enter. Gracias!
[13:15] <elky> wheee, i'm in visible?
[13:16] <its-me-again> hi again
[13:16] <its-me-again> i mada a royal booboo several times in #ubuntu
[13:19] <its-me-again> and got banned. i regret that i went ther several time for help with my linux mint os. that was aserious breach i kept going backand doing this from timee to tiem. i am a bit impatient adn i regret my actions.
[13:20] <its-me-again> i know that i hve been banned for this as per the rules. one day i do wish to get an unban if ever i do i will only use it to get help for my ubuntu os only when i am using it or on the live cd for it.
[13:21] <popey> @login
[13:21] <popey> @btlogin
[13:22] <its-me-again> i also regret and am sorry that i did lie about things at times despreate for help more than respecting #ubuntu.
[13:22] <bazhang> its-me-again, but youre using mint
[13:23] <bazhang> or you were as of four days ago or so
[13:23] <its-me-again> i now realise that the people in #ubuntu get sick of people clogging the channel looking for help that they cant get
[13:24] <bazhang> its-me-again, mint support has their own channel
[13:24] <its-me-again> i use mint ubuntu and vista dn i am testing several pupy linux os on usb
[13:24] <bazhang> irc.spotchat.net
[13:24] <elky> its-me-again, there's no such thing as "mint ubuntu"
[13:24] <popey> i think a comma was missing there elky
[13:25] <its-me-again> bazhang, yes they do. at the time  i got frustraighted waiting for help adn went to #ubuntu
[13:25] <elky> popey, I'm not so sure.
[13:25] <popey> *shrug*
[13:25] <its-me-again> bazhang, i know about that
[13:25] <bazhang> its-me-again, and you are still using mint, as you said just a couple of days ago.
[13:25] <its-me-again> i am just saying sorry for breaking the #ubuntu rules
[13:25] <bazhang> okay
[13:25] <bazhang> thanks
[13:26] <its-me-again> maby now i hve thought about my actions and see y i was banned i might get another chance. but that is to the descression of the ops weather they do.
[13:26] <its-me-again> ubuntu is a great os
[13:27] <elky> its-me-again, which operating system are you going to ask questions about?
[13:27] <its-me-again> i do niss going there when i cant find my own solutions for problems i have in my ubuntu so
[13:27] <elky> what version of ubuntu?
[13:28] <its-me-again> ubuntu only in #ubuntu, mint only in #ubuntu thas it
[13:28] <elky> would you like to try that again?
[13:28] <its-me-again> the main version of ubuntu
[13:29] <its-me-again> oops i meant to say #ubuntu only in ubuntu , mint inly in #linuxmint-help on another entirly different network
[13:30] <bazhang> its-me-again, thats counterfactual to what you said just a short while ago
[13:30] <its-me-again> i do understand y you have such a hard policy
[13:30] <its-me-again> bazhang, i talk to much dont i
[13:31] <bazhang> its-me-again, you clearly stated in another channel that you were *not* using ubuntu
[13:31] <its-me-again> I understand the bn totally
[13:31] <elky> bazhang, ooh, where was this?
[13:31] <bazhang> ##linux elky
[13:32] <its-me-again> not at that time i have a coppy in my old computer i stopped using cause i got banned
[13:32] <its-me-again> i was talking about this other computer ok
[13:32] <bazhang> puppy, mint debian, and windows
[13:32] <elky> its-me-again, ok, so where do you ask your debian questions?
[13:32] <its-me-again> i use several linux os is that not allous
[13:32] <elky> allous?
[13:33] <bazhang> elky, mint has a debian version now
[13:33] <its-me-again> i dont use debian but if i did i would ask in #debian
[13:33] <its-me-again> linux mint adn linux mint debian use another network
[13:33] <elky> its-me-again, i'm going to ask you again, what is the name of the version of ubuntu you use?
[13:34] <its-me-again> ubuntu 10.04 lucid
[13:35] <its-me-again> and also its ok i have said my peace do you hve anymore ou would like to sk
[13:35] <elky> you do realise that if we unban you, the next time you break our rules the ban will be much much longer, yes?
[13:36] <its-me-again> i understand the consequences. every broken rule has them
[13:38] <its-me-again> atm as i am not using ubuntu as much as i used to but only acasionally when i boot my old computer which is about once or twice a month to store my backups. i do have problems with that setup sometimes
[13:38] <its-me-again> probabbly due tothe face that its an old py
[13:38] <its-me-again> * p4
[13:38] <elky> So that means that despite you now being unbanned in #ubuntu, you're not going to go asking anything anyway, correct?
[13:39] <its-me-again> well not sking much or often anyway
[13:39] <its-me-again> untill i decided touse ubuntu on a regular bsis
[13:40] <elky> well the ban is lifted. was there anything else we can help you with?
[13:40]  * its-me-again sorry i am typing to fast 
[13:40] <its-me-again> not but thanks for the ban
[13:40] <its-me-again> it woke me up i tread carefully now all over irc
[13:40] <elky> ok bye
[13:42]  * elky starts the stopwatch
[13:43] <elky> bazhang, if you spot him asking about mint again, he's had his warning.
[13:44] <bazhang> elky, yep.
[14:09] <bazhang> qwert is the fellow who called !ops whenever he wanted help for a technical issue
[14:10] <Pici> Now hes pming me for some reason.
[14:11] <bazhang> back at it, nearly
 Hello  <?qwert> ops  <Pici> Excuse me? <?qwert> Yes? <Pici> You messaged me.
[14:13] <bazhang> ugh. and I just removed his ban in #ubuntu
[14:14] <Pici> Possible incoming here.  I need to do some work afk.  Hes being confusing in pm.
[14:15] <bazhang> ok
[14:18] <popey> 14:12:03 -!- sam__ [~sam@host86-172-155-105.range86-172.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-uk
[14:18] <popey> mesula?
[14:18] <ikonia> why is qwert using maco's name
[14:18] <ikonia> whois him
[14:18] <ikonia> popey: yes
[14:18] <bazhang> oh yech
[14:18] <ikonia> qwert is trolling
[14:18] <ikonia> he's using other names as his own and hitting factoids
[14:18] <bazhang> not yet openly
[14:19] <bazhang> also samnotafk and the fsdfsfgds one
[14:19] <ikonia> popey: it's him
[14:19] <bazhang> ie mesula, ericblair, et al
[14:19] <ikonia> hang on
[14:20] <ikonia> we don't know ericblair is mesula
[14:20] <ikonia> that's just a theory
[14:20] <ikonia> there recent IP's aren't that close
[14:20] <bazhang> seems to fit , eg the language etc
[14:20] <ikonia> but they are on the same provider and a similar region
[14:20] <bazhang> certainly not murdoc et al
[14:20] <ikonia> bazhang: I agree, but I'm only %75
[14:22] <ikonia> back in 10, keep an eye on qwert, he's done the ops in #ubuntu and #kubuntu and he's using maco's name from a .in address, it's not a good combination for a legitimate "user"
[14:23] <bazhang> yep, but have to give him a chance; no pre-emptive banning
[14:24] <IdleOne> he is also pm users in -ot
[14:24] <bazhang> seems stalkerish now
 Is ther any ubottu command to know ops list?
[14:27] <bazhang> wish we could have an exception to the no idle list for a few; rww, LjL for example
[14:27] <IdleOne> btw Good morning
[14:27] <bazhang> IdleOne, hi!
[14:51] <Pici> Is qwert randomly pming any of the rest of you?
[14:52] <bazhang> nope not me
[14:52] <bazhang> rww yes
[14:52] <elky> Pici, once about 2 days ago
[14:52] <knome> bazhang, re: exception to no-idle, wouldn't it just make sense to voice them? :P
[14:53] <bazhang> knome, indeed, as they are opped in -unregged and elsewhere iirc
[14:53] <knome> :)=
[15:02] <Pici> Hes trying to get me to help him setup spamassasin on SuSE.  Two things that I don't know anything about.
[15:04] <ikonia> he needs to stop pm'ing people
[15:13] <topyli> user wish from another channel: 'linux would be much better off without the kernel, it only causes problems'
[15:13] <topyli> meh, wrong channel. enjoy!
[15:13] <ikonia> idiot
[15:13] <Pici> heh
[15:14] <ikonia> AnthLee is out to be an issue
[15:16] <maco> bazhang: i thought rww was allowed to idle since he ops in a few chans?
[15:17] <jpds> Jesus, having someone with the nick of "look" is really annoying.
[15:18] <marienz> jpds: must be worse for that person, getting hilighted every few minutes
[15:18] <jpds> "look: can you do ... ?"
[15:23] <ikonia> bareego is recruiting for ##club-ubuntu in #ubuntu channels
[15:25] <ikonia> how should that be handled ? he's pm'ing users in #ubuntu-offtopic to invite them to ##club-ubuntu
[15:27] <elky> ikonia, oh?
[15:28] <ikonia> anthlee just join ##club-ubuntu and said bareego just invited him here, they only cross in 1 channel #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:28] <Pici> Anyone else?
[15:28] <ikonia> not yet
[15:28] <ikonia> 15:07 < bareego> AnthLee,
[15:28] <ikonia> 15:07 < AnthLee> bareego invited me here :S
[15:29] <ikonia> I also find it no-coincidence that bareego quit after I starte discussing it in here
[15:29] <elky> and bareego just parted too
[15:29] <elky> yeah
[15:30] <elky> HAI CLUBBERS, SPAMMING IS BAD, MKAY!
[15:36] <jpds> I should so join and say that.
[15:37] <ikonia> back later
[15:43] <elky> jpds, except they'd retaliate even more immaturely
[16:23] <topyli> first time i see this sort of trolling: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/new-background-ubuntu
[16:25] <popey> haha
[16:26] <Pici> I like the mockup.
[16:26] <knome> yes, it's actually pretty funny :P
[16:26] <topyli> yep
[16:26] <knome> especially when he's set sabdfl as the drafter
[16:27] <popey> cunning way to get attention, assign to ubuntu-members
[16:27] <ikonia> why has that not been deleted and the author deleted from launchpad
[16:27] <popey> would have had wider spread if they'd used ~locoteams
[16:27] <popey> ikonia: it's not existed long
[16:28] <ikonia> ah
[16:28] <Pici> It'll be gone soon methinks.
[16:28] <ikonia> I assume wheels are in motion
[16:28] <popey> its in #launchpad now
[16:50] <popey> done
[17:06] <ikonia> AnthLee again with dubious advice
[17:33] <alabd> Good day all ,  ikonia  Hello , when will you remove my user ban ?
[17:35] <ikonia> alabd: when you agree to abide by the ubuntu channels rules and accept responsibility for your own actions
[17:39] <ikonia> alabd: anything else ?
[17:39] <alabd> ikonia,  you know , humbled i have accepted rules before but that "proper use" phrase in rules is not a clear phrase
[17:40] <ikonia> the rules are clear, and you have been told on a one to one basis
[17:41] <alabd> this is your opinion , for example see this
[17:42] <ikonia> ?
 alabd: you are correct in saying that you could interpret our proper use policy differently
[17:42] <alabd> #ubuntu is for support questions relating to the proper use and functionality of software contained in Ubuntu.
[17:42] <IdleOp> alabd: if you are going to quote me Please make sure you quote me fully
[17:42] <ikonia> alabd: this is the accepting responsbility for your own action parts
[17:42] <IdleOp> alabd: I do not like my words being misused
[17:43] <IdleOp> or misquoted
[17:43] <alabd> no it is used true way
[17:43] <alabd> anyway
[17:43] <IdleOp> you are a liar
[17:43] <ikonia> alabd: the channel is logged, it was not used this way
[17:43] <alabd> the phrase "proper use "
[17:43] <IdleOp> I am done with this conversation. sorry I butted in ikonia
[17:43] <ikonia> not at all
[17:43] <alabd> is a generic phrase
[17:44] <ikonia> no it's not
[17:45] <ikonia> alabd: you are a persistant problem user in the ubuntu channels, you've been spoken to on a one to one basis a few times about this, yet you do not correct your behaviour, nor do you accept responsibility for your actions
[17:45] <ikonia> when this changes, the ban will be removed
[17:46] <alabd> ikonia,  so you say "proper use" is not generic and exactly explain what it means ?
[17:47] <ikonia> I'm not interested in discussing anything other than a.) you resolving your behaviour b.) you accepting responsibility for your actions
[17:47] <ikonia> alabd: other than that, I will not be side tracked
[17:48] <Pici> Arguing the semanitcs of the way that the rules are phrased is not going to help.
[17:50] <alabd> ikonia, see if you want ban me each time for any reason , you have power of it and you can , but being honest is really hard work , i-humble have been banned in #ubuntu in last year for 3 time (methink)  only by you , and the last time is this time , don't explain in a way that my user is banned for 15 times in ubuntu channel ,
[17:51] <ikonia> alabd: sorry, what you've said doesn't make sense, I understand there is a language barrier, so could you try to say that again please.
[17:51] <alabd> sure
[17:51] <alabd> which part?
[17:51] <ikonia> all of it
[17:52] <alabd> ok
[18:01] <alabd>  you say : you are a persistant problem user in the ubuntu channels  . see , being honest is hard work , my user is banned from #ubuntu in last year for 3 times (afk) only by you . . Will a user  with 2 times banning in his existence is #ubuntu channel history be abad user ?   look at the this time , i-humble am saying "proper use" phrase is a generic phrase and some could understand it contains "logal use "   , if you don't believe me we can ask a h
[18:01] <alabd> onest person  (not your friends) ,
[18:03] <ikonia> alabd: 1.) you've been banned a few times, so yes, that makes you a persistant problem, you've been spoken to also so you didn't need to be banned, 2.) stop arguing the rules, 3.) other operators have spoke to you, if you are suggesting they are not honest then you have issues you're going to need to work out
[18:03] <ikonia> as an aside you have been banned from other channels for this same behaviour, while this is not actually relevant to your #ubuntu ban, it is showing that you can't respect other channels rules, and have been banned there also - so it's not just #ubuntu that you have an issue with
[18:12] <alabd> to clear a honest person 1) tell us exactly how many times my user has been banned from first by whom ? 2) while you'r reason is a generic rule , it is my right to talk about that generic rule that it can not be good reason for banning thers 3)how can i-humble be sure that an OP is not you'r friend and even is not yours? 4) about other channels , good point , i-humble don't know why my user was banned is some channels that you have came and stimulate
[18:12] <alabd> d their OP ? any hoonest person wants judge between us realy i-humble can give voucher for any part of my talks ,
[18:13] <alabd> thers = users
[18:13] <ikonia> this is getting stupid
[18:14] <ikonia> alabd: a.) accept the rules of the ubuntu channels b.) accept responsibility for your actions, if you want some sort of court hearing, your in the wrong place
[18:18] <alabd> i-humble have accepted rules before and am really agree with it , do you have any reason that i-humble am not agreed  ? am saying that "proper use" phrase is a generic phrase that some could not get exactly what it means really , but NOW if OPs say that it does not contain "legal use" i-humble will accept it , this is reason that my user is banned not truely
[18:19] <alabd> and if here has a administrator , i-humble will complain from you next time
[18:19] <alabd> an*
[18:21] <ikonia> alabd: the reason we (I) don't think you have accepted the rules, is because you constantly break them, you ask about legal use a lot, you ask about copyright, and citation of people for your "book" which then turns out is a home work project, ubuntu is for support discussion, yet you use it for your own personal reasons
[18:22] <ikonia> you have been told many times it's for support use only, that's why the "generic use" agrument doesn't work, people have explained it to you personally
[18:26] <alabd> ikonia,  seriously don't pettifog , just discuss about this issue and this time , those thing that you mention are related to some month ago and they were not really related to this issue , and you can not at all say this > i banned him while i saw he came after some month and asked a legal question  because he was writting a book
[18:29] <alabd> ikonia,  and be sure that MMS question (this time) was not related to a book and anything else . and was not against rules
[18:29] <ikonia> alabd: it WAS against the rules
[18:30] <ikonia> you asked about if using the software and it's codecs was legal
[18:30] <ikonia> you know the topic of the channel is support discussion only after you previous dealings, so focusing on this issue only you broke the rules knowing them
[18:30] <ikonia> beyond that I won't go over this any more
[18:31] <alabd> yes we discussed before it is not required to repeat them yes ? you know and i-humble know that was a generic phrase
[18:31] <ikonia> it is not a generic phrase
[18:31] <alabd> if you are not agree we should pay more time in judge
[18:32] <ikonia> there is no judge needed
[18:32] <ikonia> that is fact
[18:32] <alabd> in your view yes
[18:32] <alabd> but maybe not in others view
[18:32] <ikonia> right, I'm not discussing this any more,
[18:32] <alabd> and judge is for these times
[18:33] <ikonia> other users have explained it to you
[18:33] <alabd> to judge between those persons that they think they are true each one
[18:33] <ikonia> it's not a discussiong
[18:33] <alabd> ikonia, yes and this is complete view of :
 alabd: you are correct in saying that you could interpret our proper use policy differently but your interpretation is incorrect and ikonia and mneptok are trying to explain what the proper use of #ubuntu is.
[18:34] <ikonia> alabd: IdleOp asked you NOT to quote him
[18:34] <ikonia> alabd: yet you are miss-quoting him again
[18:34] <ikonia> 17:42 <+IdleOp> alabd: I do not like my words being misused
[18:34] <alabd> ikonia,  asked me to quote him cmpletely
[18:34] <ikonia> 17:42 <+IdleOp> alabd: I do not like my words being misused
[18:34] <ikonia> 17:43 <+IdleOp> you are a liar
[18:34] <alabd> yes ^
[18:34] <Pici> enough.
[18:34] <ikonia> alabd: so there you go - I can use quotes to
[18:34] <ikonia> Pici: agreed
[18:35] <Pici> alabd: Stop being pedantic about the wording of the rules.
[18:35] <IdleOp> he is failing to read the part where I say his interpretation is incorrect
[18:35] <alabd> IdleOp, no am reading it and tld it before that :
[18:36] <alabd>  i-humble have accepted rules before and am really agree with it , do you have any reason that i-humble am not agreed  ? am saying that "proper use" phrase is a generic phrase that some could not get exactly what it means really , but NOW if OPs say that it does not contain "legal use" i-humble will accept it , this is reason that my user is banned not truely
[18:37] <IdleOp> alabd: I am not going to discuss or debate the rules with you. ikonia knows the rules extremely well and I agree with his interpretation of them. Also the rules are not negotiable, YOU must follow them.
[18:37] <IdleOp> if you don't agree with a decision of an op please see !appeals
[18:39] <alabd> IdleOp,  maybe i-humble am not exlaining good , am saying am agree with that rule now while you say it does not contain "legal use" but before my ban i-humble could interpret that phrase and it was not for me clear
[18:40] <IdleOp> is it clear now?
[18:40] <alabd> as you said before ban you could interpret our proper use phrase
[18:40] <alabd> sure it is now
[18:40] <IdleOp> good.
[18:40] <alabd> but why should an op ban a user for such things ?
[18:40] <alabd> because he has been banned 2 timees before some month before ?
[18:41] <IdleOp> yes, exactly. The rules were given to you and explained on both those previous occasions and you chose to ignore them and continue to disrupt the channel with off topic questions about legality
[18:41] <ikonia> you said you did not want to discuss the other times - so don't
[18:43] <alabd> yes ok no discuss required any more but IdleOp  know that those times reason of ban was another thing so i-humble was not told about meaning of "roper use"
[18:43] <IdleOp> now I am tired of explaining the same thing to you. I am sure ikonia is also. unless I am mistaken I don't believe the ban will be lifted today. Please part the channel now.
[18:48] <alabd> and IdleOp  you are an OP and ikonia  also is an OP , so it is maybe  hard for you to judge honestly , any maybe you are friend and realy it is hard to judge against any firend  , and the only reason that you have is  ""The rules were given to you and explained on both those previous occasions """     but i-humble am saying those 2 bannings were cause of another reasons so anyone has not toold me about that the "proper use" phrase does not cation "le
[18:48] <alabd> gal use" . s
[18:49] <alabd> anyway all the thing i-humble could say , are said , it is enough as Pici  told
[18:50] <IdleOp> agreed. Now please /part
[18:51] <IdleOp> Just to be clear so I am not misquoted again. I agree with Pici that this is enough and we should not discuss this any further.
[18:53] <alabd> so remove my ban if is enough
[18:53] <alabd> big problem of here is that someone cann't find  an OP that can judge against another OP/firiend , :) this is a world that someone insolence Koran/Quran with help of polic
[18:55] <ikonia> people are not judging against other ops because they agree, and the fact that you are suggesting other wise is offensive
[18:56] <ikonia> so I suggest you leave the channel as it doesn't appear to be something to progress at this time
[18:59] <Tm_T> alabd: please don't accuse our judgement being favoring others without proof
[19:06] <Tm_T> alabd: as discussion is done for today, please part and come back later when there's something new to add to this discussion
[19:10] <alabd> Tm_T, i-humble was on phone  and did not tell all ops are so ... what d you mean of new to add too this discussion ?
[19:11] <Tm_T> repeating same arguments won't get this discussion going anywhere
[19:11] <Mamarok> this is getting annoying...
[19:14] <alabd> yes and also i-humble can not come and repeat all another day ,also i-humble have said what should be said ,
[19:15] <Tm_T> then there's no point coming to repeat it all here
[19:15] <Tm_T> !appeal | alabd next steps here
[19:21] <Tm_T> alabd: if there's nothing else you need from us, please part the channel
[19:23] <alabd> Tm_T,  you mean about 40 OPs here are agree with ikonia yes ?
[19:25] <Tm_T> alabd: doesn't matter, repeating same arguments here wont help
[19:25] <Tm_T> proceed to next step if you feel need for it
[19:26] <alabd> sure but from these 40 ops , should only 1 op give help ?
[19:27] <Tm_T> no, but there's ben enough of ops involved this discussion
[19:28] <Tm_T> really, please stop now, part the channel and use the options we have told you
[19:38] <alabd> ok if others think so bye
[19:41] <Tm_T> bye
[19:44] <alabd> so i-humble should learn something from here that if a person has been banned 2 times before for other reasons and if he is told other reasons  , others can interpret some phrases but he can not because he was banned 2 times before (even in non-related issues)
[19:44] <alabd> :)
[19:48] <mneptok> excellent screen reattach timing FTW
[20:23] <JamieBennett> Linaro need a bugbot in #linaro-meeting similar to the one that is currently in #linaro. Is there anyone who could help sort that out for us?
[20:29] <Pici> JamieBennett: What bot is in #linaro?
[20:30] <JamieBennett> Pici: sorry, I don't know
[20:30] <JamieBennett> Pici: is there a way I can find out?
[20:31] <JamieBennett> ah ubot2
[20:33] <Pici> JamieBennett: jpds runs that bot, you'll need to talk to him in order to get it in other channels.
[20:34] <JamieBennett> Pici: OK, thanks
[20:37] <jpds> JamieBennett: It should be done.
[20:38] <JamieBennett> \o/ thanks jpds !
[21:52] <ikonia> what's today's issue Bacta
[21:53] <Bacta> Sorry, force of habit
[21:53] <ikonia> yeah, persistant joining to troll is a tough habbit to break