[00:00] <Muscovy> Wait, not to mention the new background. XD
[00:02] <MadnessRed> new background?
[00:04] <Muscovy> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/the-new-ubuntu-10-10-default-wallpaper/
[00:04] <MadnessRed> oh right, yh, I though you were talking about ubuntu tour
[00:04] <MadnessRed> did you push the new language stuff?
[00:04] <Muscovy> Not yet, I'm having to play with it a bit.
[00:05] <MadnessRed> ok
[00:05] <Muscovy> Becuase of the tourinfo files.
[00:05] <MadnessRed> oh, maybe you should push the current code to the core branch
[00:05] <Muscovy> I assume it's stable?
[00:06] <Muscovy> If so, good idea.
[00:06] <MadnessRed> Haven't found any bugs
[00:06] <Muscovy> Ok, I'll do that.
[00:10] <Muscovy> Grr.
[00:10] <Muscovy> People have been editing in the code branch.
[00:14] <brandonj> thats one of the things to be addressed at the meeting
[00:15] <MadnessRed> ok
[00:15] <MadnessRed> when is the meeting again
[00:17] <brandonj> sat 11am EST
[00:17] <brandonj> I'm about to send an email
[00:17] <MadnessRed> unfortunately I am away that whole weekend :/
[00:18] <Muscovy> :(
[00:19] <MadnessRed> what do we need to discus?
[00:21] <brandonj> http://openetherpad.org/UbuntuTourAgenda
[00:21] <Muscovy> UI design and organization are the two things I can think of.
[00:24] <Muscovy> Oh dear.
[00:24] <Muscovy> I seem to have broke the screenshots.
[00:25] <MadnessRed> yh the branches handle images differently
[00:25] <Muscovy> Huh?
[00:26] <Muscovy> Ah, I see what you mean.
[00:26] <Muscovy> Ok, I'll clean that up.
[00:26] <MadnessRed> They wanted the location that webkit thinks its in to be changed from the root directory to the directory where the files are
[00:29] <brandonj> MadnessRed, Muscovy: can we keep discussion in the etherpad minimal?
[00:29] <MadnessRed> sorry :/
[00:29] <Muscovy> Right.
[00:29] <brandonj> Thats what irc is for after all =P
[00:30] <MadnessRed> hows that :)
[00:32] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: images/panel_system-menu_open.jpeg is the sort of image path we're using now, right?
[00:33] <MadnessRed> tourname/images/pane_syste... i think
[00:34] <Muscovy> I think it;s the one I said.
[00:35] <MadnessRed> if you had an image  tourname/images/img.png
[00:35] <MadnessRed> you would do <img src="images/img.png"/>
[00:36] <Omega> Hey guys.
[00:36] <Muscovy> Hey Omega.
[00:40] <MadnessRed> hi
[00:40] <MadnessRed> what is EST?
[00:41] <Omega> Eastern Standard Time
[00:43] <MadnessRed> kk
[00:43] <Muscovy> It's my birthday tomorrow. :D
[00:43] <Omega> Awesome, congratz.
[00:43] <Muscovy> Thanks. :D
[00:43] <Omega> Because I know you'll be out partying all day.
[00:44] <Muscovy> Hehehe not really.
[00:44] <Omega> and night
[00:44] <MadnessRed> :)
[00:44] <MadnessRed> have fun
[00:45] <MadnessRed> Don't think I could be much further from my birthday tbh
[00:49] <Muscovy> I'm having some issues including images.
[00:49] <Muscovy> It doesn't see about-ubuntu/images/panel_top.jpeg.
[00:50] <Muscovy> But yet it sees images/ubuntu-tour-logo.png.
[00:50] <Muscovy> Both exist.
[00:50] <Muscovy> And both are notated in the same way.
[00:51] <MadnessRed> hm,
[00:52] <MadnessRed> could you put the images in the tour folder
[00:52] <Muscovy> images/screenshots?
[00:53] <MadnessRed> thats where they are at the moment
[00:53] <MadnessRed> it appears
[00:53] <Muscovy> But but but the files I'm pointing it at exist. :|
[00:53] <MadnessRed> hm, can you copy the img tag you are using
[00:54] <Muscovy> <img src="about-ubuntu/images/panel_top.jpeg" />
[00:54] <MadnessRed> it should be:
[00:55] <MadnessRed> <img src="images/panel_top.jpeg" />
[00:55] <MadnessRed> sorry I probably wasn't clear with my explaination, i though you were asking where to put the images
[00:56] <Muscovy> Oh ok, that works.
[00:56] <Muscovy> I thought the current dir was where the application was.
[00:56] <MadnessRed> no, I was asked to change it
[00:57] <MadnessRed> I made a tour called connect to a network
[00:57] <MadnessRed> it's not complete, but it shows how to float images left and right
[01:46] <brandonj> Muscovy, Omega, aprilg: will you three be at the meeting saturday?
[01:46] <Omega> I will be present.
[01:48] <brandonj> cool
[02:08] <Muscovy> brandonj, Omega: I will be.
[02:16] <brandonj> excellent
[02:42] <Muscovy> I don't like it specifically, but the logo someone put on the front page (http://i.imgur.com/KwEVR.png ) is cool.
[03:43] <mast`> hola tour-people
[03:46] <master5o1> hi
[04:25] <laurent_> hi
[04:25] <mast`> hi
[04:25] <Muscovy> Hello.
[04:31] <laurent_> Muscovy, regarding ubuntu one in the menu
[04:31] <laurent_> I thought their official way of writing it was one word
[04:31] <laurent_> like ubuntuone
[04:34] <laurent_> appears I am wrong
[04:34] <laurent_> one.ubuntu.com
[04:34] <laurent_> maybe I was getting confused with the fact that all their branding usually looks small caps
[04:38] <Muscovy> As far as I know, it's CamelCase.
[05:06] <aprilg> brandonj regarding the meeting, I'll be there
[05:07] <mast`> me too!
[05:15] <aprilg> my internet connection sucks.
[06:49] <aprilg> took screenshots for empathy. some of those need to be edited though. if anyone can help me blur out the names of contacts, that would be excellent :D
[06:49] <aprilg> pushing screenshots now to lp:ubuntu-tour images/screenshots/empathy
[06:50] <Silasle> aprilg: They should be in emphaty/images/
[06:52] <aprilg> ack
[06:52] <aprilg> :(
[06:52] <aprilg> I also just pushed evolution images
[06:53] <aprilg> Silasle how do I remove revisions?
[07:45] <laurent_> aprilg, do you still need the images edited to blur out contacts?
[07:46] <laurent_> and I think to remove revisions you uncommit or something but I have never done that
[09:15] <aprilg> laurent_ hi, regarding the blurred-out contacts, yes please :)
[09:15] <aprilg> I didn't have a dummy account I could use so I used my own to get screenshots
[09:15] <aprilg> thanks!
[09:16] <laurent_> sure thing
[09:21] <laurent_> aprilg, did you want the users avatars blurred too?
[09:24] <aprilg> yes please :)
[09:29] <laurent_> are there any other images that you want anything done to or just the empathy contacts?
[09:31] <aprilg> the conversation window has a name also, I think
[09:31] <aprilg> thanks so much for this :) I really have no idea about editing images
[09:31] <aprilg> :)
[09:42] <aksharpatel47> read the details regarding the meeting agendas on the etherpad
[09:42] <aksharpatel47> I think there is one more agenda we need to add
[09:43] <aksharpatel47> about programming language that will be used
[09:43] <aksharpatel47> I know python is given on the homepage of ubuntu
[09:44] <aksharpatel47> just thought we should discuss and make it final
[09:44] <aksharpatel47> what are your thoughts people?
[09:45] <popey> programming language for what?
[09:45] <aksharpatel47> the application ofcourse
[09:45] <popey> sorry, what application?
[09:45] <aksharpatel47> the ubuntu-tour application
[09:46] <popey> i didnt realise ubuntu-tour was making an application
[09:46] <popey> sorry
[09:46] <aksharpatel47> okay
[09:46] <popey> where's this documented?
[09:46] <aksharpatel47> see the code development branch of it in bazaar
[09:46] <popey> oh okay, sorry, I get it now, the actual tour app itself
[09:46] <popey> I will wake up in a bit :D
[09:46] <popey> ignore me
[16:21] <MadnessRed> 2 new features, i just implemented, you can now launch scripts and interact with python via <a href links
[16:21] <MadnessRed> eg: <a href="command://nautilus">click</a> will open the file browser
[16:22] <MadnessRed> and <a href="exec://self.delete_event(None,None)">close</a> will quite the program
[16:22] <Silasle> Nice!!!
[16:28] <Silasle> Hey, the program isn't accepting lucid  :'(
[16:32] <Silasle> There is an images missing in network-connect (wired.png)
[16:38] <Silasle> Also the title isn't changed when changing chapter
[16:39] <MadnessRed> I have redone the check script
[16:39] <MadnessRed> commited now
[16:39] <Silasle_away> bbl
[16:39] <MadnessRed> ok
[16:40] <MadnessRed> for distro, and reason why we cand just say if float(version) < float(required):
[16:40] <MadnessRed> actually i suppose for distros like 8.04.1
[17:37] <MadnessRed> I think I found a way of drawing arrows
[17:37] <MadnessRed> it's not amazing, but it draws an arrow
[17:44] <MadnessRed> hi, is there a function to multiply matrices in python?
[17:44] <MadnessRed> or do I need to write one myself?
[17:58] <MadnessRed> appears I need to write a function mysql
[17:58] <MadnessRed> myself#
[17:58] <Silasle_away> What are matrices?
[17:59] <MadnessRed> they are like a list of numbers in maths
[17:59] <MadnessRed> they are very useful for positions because you have things called a transformation matrix
[18:00] <MadnessRed> so, if you multiply the rotation matrix by a matrix of points, you can rotate an entire shape very easily
[18:02] <Silasle_away> I think that is over my mathematic knowledge :P
[18:03] <Silasle_away> Title is still not changing.
[18:05] <MadnessRed> I know, I am trying to make arrows atm
[18:05] <MadnessRed> Or more specifically, I am trying to rotate arrows atm
[18:07] <MadnessRed> Its a shame numpy isn't included by default :/
[18:13] <Silasle_away> Ok, my father explained it.
[18:14] <Silasle_away> Isn't numpy default, i  thought it was?
[18:18] <Silasle_away> MadnessRed: http://www.syntagmatic.net/matrix-multiplication-in-python/ ?
[18:18] <MadnessRed> kk thanks, I just made a simple function though :/
[18:22] <MadnessRed> What colour do we want the arrow to be?
[18:25] <Silasle_away> Maybe the "selected items" color?
[18:26] <MadnessRed> ok
[18:26] <Silasle_away> It was the best one i found
[18:30] <Silasle_away> What module are you using?
[18:37] <Silasle_away> MadnessRed: ^
[18:37] <MadnessRed> ? no module
[18:38] <Silasle_away> No compiz api or something?
[18:38] <MadnessRed> :/ I am using a gtk window
[18:38] <Silasle_away> Ok...
[18:39] <MadnessRed> rendering without a window border and certain shape
[18:40] <Silasle_away> Can gtk be at other shapes then rectangle?
[18:41] <Silasle_away> Or just using transparent window?
[18:43] <MadnessRed> gtk can be any shape I think
[18:43] <MadnessRed> but you need to do some weird stuff to it
[18:43] <Silasle_away> Didn't knew that.
[18:48] <MadnessRed> but it looks kind of stupid if you have a window border
[18:48] <Silasle_away> Yea, but border can be removed.
[18:51] <MadnessRed> yh
[18:57] <MadnessRed> now just have to make the window die after a certain time
[18:58] <Silasle_away> That shouldn't be an problem.
[19:01] <Silasle_away> MadnessRed: An solution is always to use thread...
[19:02] <MadnessRed> ok, I'll look into it, I got threading to work once before, I'll see if I can uncover the code for it
[19:03] <Silasle_away> threading is easy
[19:03] <Silasle_away> thread.start_new_thread(function)
[19:03] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:04] <Silasle_away> And then in that function an time.sleep  and then something to kill the window
[19:04] <MadnessRed> ok, and the module is called thread?
[19:05] <Silasle_away> yep
[19:06] <MadnessRed> 	arrow = Arrow(0,0,None,'#FF0000',-45, 100)
[19:06] <MadnessRed> 	thread.start_new_thread(arrow.die())
[19:06] <MadnessRed> 	gtk.main()
[19:06] <MadnessRed> like that?
[19:07] <Silasle_away> I think so
[19:09] <MadnessRed> TypeError: start_new_thread expected at least 2 arguments, got 1
[19:09] <MadnessRed> oops :/
[19:09] <MadnessRed> arrow.die() should be arrow.die
[19:09] <Silasle_away> yep
[19:09] <MadnessRed> but it still wants 2 arguments
[19:09] <Silasle_away> Hmm
[19:09] <MadnessRed> it just gives the error instantly now
[19:09] <Silasle_away> I check my code
[19:10] <Silasle_away> Ahh thread.start_new_thread(arrow.die, ())
[19:10] <Silasle_away> I think that second one is for arguments
[19:10] <MadnessRed> kk thanks
[19:12] <Silasle_away> I still dont know how we should get the position of everything if it's not default.
[19:12] <MadnessRed> I don't think we can
[19:13] <MadnessRed> I think just let arrows be an options, and say, if you have moved your menus then the arrows may not point at the right place
[19:13] <Silasle_away> Ok
[19:14] <MadnessRed> It still itsn't working
[19:14] <Silasle_away> We still need to calculate where the things are according to screen size and things like that.
[19:14] <Silasle_away> But how much have you done now?
[19:14] <MadnessRed> shouldn't be too hard
[19:14] <MadnessRed> I will put arrow.py in the main code and push it
[19:15] <MadnessRed> at the moment it runs stand alone, but it should run as an import too
[19:15] <MadnessRed> then I'll push and maybe you can see whats wrong with it
[19:15] <Silasle_away> Ok, i check what you have done :P
[19:15] <Silasle_away> Cant you send me that standalone file?
[19:16] <MadnessRed> yes, email?
[19:16] <MadnessRed> or pastebin
[19:17] <Silasle_away> Wait, unity...
[19:17] <MadnessRed> ?
[19:17] <MadnessRed> will cause problems
[19:17] <MadnessRed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/494344/
[19:17] <Silasle_away> http://home.silaslenz.operaunite.com/file_inbox/
[19:18] <Silasle_away> *unite :P
[19:19] <Silasle_away> Thanks
[19:19] <Silasle_away> Ah, nice :D
[19:20] <MadnessRed> I would like smoother edges but I don't think gtk can do that
[19:20] <Silasle_away> I would like that too...
[19:20] <MadnessRed> Also the way the class opens...
[19:21] <Silasle_away> But it's good for now
[19:21] <MadnessRed>  Arrow(X position, Y position, Parent window, Colour, Angle, Size (tip to tail in pixels), TIme it is around for)
[19:22] <MadnessRed> Also did I tell you about the new protocols in html we can use?
[19:23] <Silasle_away> Yes
[19:24] <MadnessRed> ok, I uploaded a file called player.py
[19:25] <MadnessRed> that is part of a media player I made, and the progress bar uses threads, might help in getting the threads to work here
[19:25] <Silasle_away> Ok
[19:25] <Silasle_away> I have an video player too :P
[19:25] <MadnessRed> anyway i gtg
[23:50] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[23:53] <Muscovy> Happy birthday to me. :D