| abogani | ScottL: ping | 08:08 |
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| rlameiro | scott-work: ping | 14:36 |
| scott-work | hi rlameiro :) how are you? | 14:50 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: i am fine, and you? | 14:55 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: Sorry for the absence. About the UBS controls, it seams to me that this tool is comming to a no need stage | 14:56 |
| rlameiro | at least for the things i saw on the mailing list | 14:56 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, hi! can you do some testing on a maverick's package? | 15:52 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: certainly | 15:57 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: i am fine as well | 15:57 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, please install lives | 15:58 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: big changes afoot for natty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning | 15:58 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: from the archives? | 15:58 |
| quadrispro | yep | 15:58 |
| quadrispro | and let me know what happens | 15:58 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: i shall do it tonight, anything in particular to look for? | 15:58 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, it should crash | 15:59 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: LOL, yeah, that's something pretty distinct and noticeable ;) | 15:59 |
| quadrispro | easy to notice :) | 16:00 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, what great guy is lives' upstream: seems already fixed in trunk :) | 16:10 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: wow, that is super | 16:24 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: i had given thought to including lives as a video editor because of it's jack capabilities | 16:25 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: but i dont' really know how well it functions, how easy it's UI is, etc | 16:25 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: and to be honest, it sounds neat, but really how functionally relevant is a jack enabled NLE compared to a traditional NLE ? | 16:26 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Yay! Placed a DSL order yesterday (or actually, wife did :o ) so will have better connectivity and thus much more likely participation in the near future! | 16:28 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, basically it's designed to be simple, so it provides a an easy and friendly GUI | 16:32 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, but the great point is that it mixes NLE capabilities with vj-ing features | 16:33 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: it looks very nice | 16:34 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: I was thinking also in changing the menus, maybe makind diferent sections for audio apps, instead of having that neverending menu :D | 16:35 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: hmmm, i didn't think about vj-ing features :) | 16:35 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: that is something that has been putted around several times | 16:35 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: the menu restructure | 16:35 |
| rlameiro | i dont know what you think | 16:36 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, take a look at the features page -> http://lives.sourceforge.net/index.php?do=features | 16:36 |
| rlameiro | but at least split midi from audio | 16:36 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: although if we separate the audio apps into two distinct packages, i would expect most users would only install one of them and the menu would be more presentable | 16:36 |
| rlameiro | no packages | 16:36 |
| scott-work | but that doesn't mean that we still shouldn't consider moderating the menu still | 16:36 |
| rlameiro | just on the menu | 16:36 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: even if we change the menu i would still consider dividing the audio into two packages, i strongly believe that most users do not want both sets (tone generation vs live) of packages | 16:39 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: also, many new pd packages are going into debian lately....a lot | 16:39 |
| rlameiro | yes, they are finally implementing the pd extended kind of thing on debian!!!1 at last :D | 16:40 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: i think maybe it should be made 3 packages. | 16:40 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: Live - Sound Generation - Audio Programming | 16:41 |
| rlameiro | Audio programming having : | 16:41 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: is there enough for the audio programming ? in the archives i mean? | 16:41 |
| scott-work | heh, you're already answering :) | 16:41 |
| rlameiro | Super collider, Pd, Csound, Clam, Faust etc | 16:41 |
| rlameiro | and other nice tools for analisys like sonic visualizer | 16:42 |
| rlameiro | http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ | 16:42 |
| scott-work | is chuck in the archives ? | 16:42 |
| rlameiro | maybe | 16:42 |
| rlameiro | This will undoubtly get into the "academia" user base :D | 16:43 |
| scott-work | this would certainly make an arguement for another submenu then | 16:43 |
| rlameiro | i think super collider is not in there | 16:44 |
| rlameiro | well, you can make a "OEM" install for UNI composition and Acoustics departement :D | 16:44 |
| rlameiro | that is for sure | 16:44 |
| scott-work | i wonder why supercollider isn't there...i wonder if this is one of the applications that has licensing issues? | 16:45 |
| rlameiro | https://launchpad.net/~supercollider/+archive/ppa | 16:45 |
| scott-work | there was a package in dapper :P | 16:46 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: from the SC website "SuperCollider is free software (published under the GPLv2 free software license)." | 16:46 |
| scott-work | but i guess it is one of those (like linux sampler) that has licensing issues | 16:46 |
| scott-work | holstein and i talked about making a wiki page where we list the reasons packages are included (over others) and reasons packages are not included | 16:46 |
| rlameiro | maybe it will be my first debian package | 16:46 |
| rlameiro | lol | 16:46 |
| holstein | rlameiro: hey :) | 16:47 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: but even though supercollider is gplv2 some of the packages it uses might not be | 16:47 |
| rlameiro | I am also thinking if we all try to make the packages for debian instead | 16:47 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: yes, we have been working with quadrispro quite a bit to focus in this direction | 16:47 |
| rlameiro | and then it will downstream | 16:47 |
| holstein | yeah, just a place of reference, so when the questions come up, thats where the answers are well documented | 16:47 |
| rlameiro | holstein: yo!! | 16:47 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: he's gotten a lot of lv2 stuff pacakged in debian (and then synced to ubuntu) :) | 16:48 |
| holstein | 'why dont we have network manager?' | 16:48 |
| holstein | 'wheres the RT kernel?' | 16:48 |
| rlameiro | lol the historic question | 16:48 |
| holstein | that kind of thing | 16:48 |
| holstein | + the package decisions being made | 16:48 |
| rlameiro | holstein / scott-work it looks like very helpfull. is it going to be FAQ like? | 16:49 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: good question | 16:50 |
| holstein | hey | 16:50 |
| holstein | thats a good idea | 16:50 |
| holstein | hell, its a wiki | 16:50 |
| scott-work | i've thought about FAQ or a matrix, but i kinda wanted to tie things together also with the changes being made with packages due to the workflows | 16:50 |
| holstein | could be arranged however | 16:50 |
| rlameiro | something like | 16:50 |
| holstein | and change i suppose | 16:50 |
| scott-work | so i'm leaning towards a matrix for the majority of it | 16:50 |
| rlameiro | Q: Why doesnt UBS have this XXXXX package? | 16:51 |
| scott-work | but probably some of the important ones (e.g. network manager, -rt kernel) should be in a faq | 16:51 |
| rlameiro | A: because bla bla bla | 16:51 |
| rlameiro | a FAQ would work for the more "macro" discussions | 16:51 |
| scott-work | you know, this is kinda excititng, it seems like studio has a small group of engaged people who are motived to get things done :) | 16:55 |
| scott-work | we have a good chance to make some significant strides | 16:55 |
| rlameiro | scott-work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/494249/ | 16:55 |
| rlameiro | this are the dependencies of super collider | 16:55 |
| rlameiro | it seems very GPL Friendly :D | 16:55 |
| rlameiro | and debian friendly | 16:56 |
| scott-work | it certainly appears so, but until you read each file of the package you don't really know, i found this out trying to get zynjacku into ubuntu :P | 16:56 |
| scott-work | quadrispro: do you remember if there is a reason that supercollider is not in debian ? | 16:57 |
| holstein | maybe a mix | 16:57 |
| holstein | q&a and a list | 16:57 |
| quadrispro | scott-work, uh? no :/ | 16:57 |
| quadrispro | see you later | 16:58 |
| quadrispro | bye! | 16:58 |
| scott-work | rlameiro: well, there you go, maybe no reason at all LOL | 16:58 |
| rlameiro | he he | 17:01 |
| scott-work | updated workflows page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows | 18:29 |
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