[08:08] <abogani> ScottL: ping
[14:36] <rlameiro> scott-work: ping
[14:50] <scott-work> hi rlameiro :)  how are you?
[14:55] <rlameiro> scott-work: i am fine, and you?
[14:56] <rlameiro> scott-work: Sorry for the absence. About the UBS controls, it seams to me that this tool is comming to a no need stage
[14:56] <rlameiro> at least for the things i saw on the mailing list
[15:52] <quadrispro> scott-work, hi! can you do some testing on a maverick's package?
[15:57] <scott-work> quadrispro: certainly
[15:57] <scott-work> rlameiro: i am fine as well
[15:58] <quadrispro> scott-work, please install lives
[15:58] <scott-work> rlameiro: big changes afoot for natty:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[15:58] <scott-work> quadrispro: from the archives?
[15:58] <quadrispro> yep
[15:58] <quadrispro> and let me know what happens
[15:58] <scott-work> quadrispro: i shall do it tonight, anything in particular to look for?
[15:59] <quadrispro> scott-work, it should crash
[15:59] <scott-work> quadrispro: LOL, yeah, that's something pretty distinct and noticeable ;)
[16:00] <quadrispro> easy to notice :)
[16:10] <quadrispro> scott-work, what great guy is lives' upstream: seems already fixed in trunk :)
[16:24] <scott-work> quadrispro: wow, that is super
[16:25] <scott-work> quadrispro: i had given thought to including lives as a video editor because of it's jack capabilities
[16:25] <scott-work> quadrispro: but i dont' really know how well it functions, how easy it's UI is, etc
[16:26] <scott-work> quadrispro: and to be honest, it sounds neat, but really how functionally relevant is a jack enabled NLE compared to a traditional NLE ?
[16:28] <astraljava> scott-work: Yay! Placed a DSL order yesterday (or actually, wife did :o ) so will have better connectivity and thus much more likely participation in the near future!
[16:32] <quadrispro> scott-work, basically it's designed to be simple, so it provides a an easy and friendly GUI
[16:33] <quadrispro> scott-work, but the great point is that it mixes NLE capabilities with vj-ing features
[16:34] <rlameiro> scott-work: it looks very nice
[16:35] <rlameiro> scott-work: I was thinking also in changing the menus, maybe makind diferent sections for audio apps, instead of having that neverending menu :D
[16:35] <scott-work> quadrispro: hmmm, i didn't think about vj-ing features :)
[16:35] <scott-work> rlameiro:  that is something that has been putted around several times
[16:35] <scott-work> rlameiro: the menu restructure
[16:36] <rlameiro> i dont know what you think
[16:36] <quadrispro> scott-work, take a look at the features page -> http://lives.sourceforge.net/index.php?do=features
[16:36] <rlameiro> but at least split midi from audio 
[16:36] <scott-work> rlameiro: although if we separate the audio apps into two distinct packages, i would expect most users would only install one of them and the menu would be more presentable
[16:36] <rlameiro> no packages
[16:36] <scott-work> but that doesn't mean that we still shouldn't consider moderating the menu still
[16:36] <rlameiro> just on the menu
[16:39] <scott-work> rlameiro: even if we change the menu i would still consider dividing the audio into two packages, i strongly believe that most users do not want both sets (tone generation vs live) of packages
[16:39] <scott-work> rlameiro: also, many new pd packages are going into debian lately....a lot
[16:40] <rlameiro> yes, they are finally implementing the pd extended kind of thing on debian!!!1 at last :D
[16:40] <rlameiro> scott-work: i think maybe it should be made 3 packages.
[16:41] <rlameiro> scott-work: Live - Sound Generation - Audio Programming
[16:41] <rlameiro> Audio programming having :
[16:41] <scott-work> rlameiro: is there enough for the audio programming ?  in the archives i mean?
[16:41] <scott-work> heh, you're already answering :)
[16:41] <rlameiro> Super collider, Pd, Csound, Clam, Faust etc
[16:42] <rlameiro> and other nice tools for analisys like sonic visualizer
[16:42] <rlameiro> http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/
[16:42] <scott-work> is chuck in the archives ?
[16:42] <rlameiro> maybe
[16:43] <rlameiro> This will undoubtly get into the "academia" user base :D
[16:43] <scott-work> this would certainly make an arguement for another submenu then
[16:44] <rlameiro> i think super collider is not in there
[16:44] <rlameiro> well, you can make a "OEM" install for UNI composition and Acoustics departement :D
[16:44] <rlameiro> that is for sure
[16:45] <scott-work> i wonder why supercollider isn't there...i wonder if this is one of the applications that has licensing issues?
[16:45] <rlameiro> https://launchpad.net/~supercollider/+archive/ppa
[16:46] <scott-work> there was a package in dapper :P
[16:46] <rlameiro> scott-work: from the SC website "SuperCollider is free software (published under the GPLv2 free software license)."
[16:46] <scott-work> but i guess it is one of those (like linux sampler) that has licensing issues
[16:46] <scott-work> holstein and i talked about making a wiki page where we list the reasons packages are included (over others) and reasons packages are not included
[16:46] <rlameiro> maybe it will be my first debian package
[16:46] <rlameiro> lol
[16:47] <holstein> rlameiro: hey :)
[16:47] <scott-work> rlameiro: but even though supercollider is gplv2 some of the packages it uses might not be
[16:47] <rlameiro> I am also thinking if we all try to make the packages for debian instead
[16:47] <scott-work> rlameiro: yes, we have been working with quadrispro quite a bit to focus in this direction
[16:47] <rlameiro> and then it will downstream
[16:47] <holstein> yeah, just a place of reference, so when the questions come up, thats where the answers are well documented
[16:47] <rlameiro> holstein: yo!!
[16:48] <scott-work> rlameiro: he's gotten a lot of lv2 stuff pacakged in debian (and then synced to ubuntu) :)
[16:48] <holstein> 'why dont we have network manager?'
[16:48] <holstein> 'wheres the RT kernel?'
[16:48] <rlameiro> lol the historic question
[16:48] <holstein> that kind of thing
[16:48] <holstein> + the package decisions being made
[16:49] <rlameiro> holstein / scott-work it looks like very helpfull. is it going to be FAQ like?
[16:50] <scott-work> rlameiro: good question
[16:50] <holstein> hey
[16:50] <holstein> thats a good idea
[16:50] <holstein> hell, its a wiki
[16:50] <scott-work> i've thought about FAQ or a matrix, but i kinda wanted to tie things together also with the changes being made with packages due to the workflows
[16:50] <holstein> could be arranged however
[16:50] <rlameiro> something like
[16:50] <holstein> and change i suppose
[16:50] <scott-work> so i'm leaning towards a matrix for the majority of it
[16:51] <rlameiro> Q: Why doesnt UBS have this XXXXX package?
[16:51] <scott-work> but probably some of the important ones (e.g. network manager, -rt kernel) should be in a faq
[16:51] <rlameiro> A: because bla bla bla
[16:51] <rlameiro> a FAQ would work for the more "macro" discussions
[16:55] <scott-work> you know, this is kinda excititng, it seems like studio has a small group of engaged people who are motived to get things done :)
[16:55] <scott-work> we have a good chance to make some significant strides
[16:55] <rlameiro> scott-work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/494249/
[16:55] <rlameiro> this are the dependencies of super collider
[16:55] <rlameiro> it seems very GPL Friendly :D
[16:56] <rlameiro> and debian friendly
[16:56] <scott-work> it certainly appears so, but until you read each file of the package you don't really know, i found this out trying to get zynjacku into ubuntu :P
[16:57] <scott-work> quadrispro: do you remember if there is a reason that supercollider is not in debian ?
[16:57] <holstein> maybe a mix
[16:57] <holstein> q&a and a list
[16:57] <quadrispro> scott-work, uh? no :/
[16:58] <quadrispro> see you later
[16:58] <quadrispro> bye!
[16:58] <scott-work> rlameiro: well, there you go, maybe no reason at all LOL
[17:01] <rlameiro> he he
[18:29] <scott-work> updated workflows page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows