[08:37] <slow-motion> hi
[09:42] <nikolam> why plugins use so much ram in xfce?
[09:42] <nikolam> keyboard plugin 15 megs, etc
[09:42] <Sysi> to what are you comparing?
[10:42] <nikolam> Sysi, to nothing. I compare to common sense. Since I don't believe simple keyboard plugin must use 15 megs of RAM
[11:16] <TheSheep> nikolam: compare to gnome/kde plugins
[12:36] <jrmy> i'll have the iso downloaded shortly of xubuntu 10.04 but i dont know how to burn it on windows 7
[12:36] <jrmy> im using a dvd+r for the image burning
[12:36] <bazhang> infrarecorder
[12:36] <jrmy> will imgburn work just the same?
[12:37] <jrmy> imgburn is what i have atm
[12:37] <bazhang> could do, infrarecorder is the only one I know
[12:37] <jrmy> is there a wiki for this question?
[12:37] <jrmy> or even help on the xubuntu website?
[12:38] <bazhang> not for windows, you could try ##windows though
[12:38] <Sysi> !burning
[12:38] <jrmy> what do you select with infrarecorder?
[12:38] <bazhang> the iso?
[12:38] <jrmy> yes
[12:38] <jrmy> for a dvd burn
[12:38] <bazhang> then choose burn to disk, or right click
[12:38] <jrmy> that simple?
[12:39] <bazhang> should be
[12:39] <jrmy> i know speed being low is important
[12:39] <bazhang> if you try to drag and drop it should prompt you
[12:39] <jrmy> i might try imgburn anyways
[12:39] <bazhang> depends really, I get the torrent and burn at full speed
[12:42] <jrmy> ok i think i might just have it verify after burning
[12:42] <jrmy> i'll just go with whatever i try
[12:42] <bazhang> sounds good
[12:42] <jrmy> this laptop i want to use it with might just really suck
[12:42] <bazhang> if you have a usb stick you can use unetbootin
[12:42] <jrmy> i really want something better
[12:42] <jrmy> yeah.. like i said it really sucks
[12:43] <bazhang> provided your computer boots from usb
[12:43] <jrmy> i dont even think it boots from the disc drive properly
[12:43] <bazhang> heh
[12:43] <jrmy> stupid gateway
[12:44] <jrmy> i tried to boot puppy with this computer and it didnt work, worked fine on the other one though
[12:44] <bazhang> ok
[12:44] <jrmy> im going to assume the same will happen with xubuntu
[12:45] <jrmy> is there a way to change ubuntu into xubuntu?
[12:45] <bazhang> well if bootoptions dont work out, there is the alternate installer
[12:45] <bazhang> !bootoptions
[12:45] <jrmy> im running ubuntu 10.04 right now
[12:45] <bazhang> jrmy, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:46] <bazhang> jrmy, then choose from the login screen
[12:46] <jrmy> from the login screen?
[12:46] <bazhang> any of the -desktop packages can do that.
[12:46] <jrmy> rhetorical btw
[12:46] <bazhang> kubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntustudio, xubuntu, lubuntu
[12:46] <jrmy> so i'd have both?
[12:47] <bazhang> or as many as you want
[12:47] <jrmy> i might try that
[12:47] <bazhang> then just choose which one to log in with each time, or set one as default
[12:47] <jrmy> and if i dont want one of them anymore?
[12:47] <bazhang> a lot less hassle then installing a whole new iso
[12:48] <jrmy> i'll agree
[12:48] <bazhang> then !purekde  !puregnome !purexubuntu (not sure about last)
[12:48] <bazhang> !purexfce
[12:48] <jrmy> !pure uninstalls?
[12:48] <bazhang> it gives instructions
[12:48] <bazhang> !purekde
[12:49] <bazhang> for example^^
[12:49] <bazhang> psychocats.net should have the purexfce one
[12:49] <bazhang> ie xubuntu
[12:50] <jrmy> ok so basically the command interprets "to have this only"
[12:50] <bazhang> well the webpage links to instructions on how to remove the other DE
[12:50] <jrmy> what is DE?
[12:50] <jrmy> and KDE
[12:50] <bazhang> you can copy and paste the instructions into a terminal and then voila
[12:51] <bazhang> GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE4, etc
[12:51] <jrmy> ok
[12:51] <bazhang> not simply a window manager, but a suite of applications as well
[12:51] <Sysi> (desktop enviroment)
[12:52] <bazhang> like xubuntu uses thunar instead of nautilus as a file manager, etc.
[12:52] <jrmy> ok
[12:52] <bazhang> lubuntu has chromium as the default browser instead of firefox
[12:52] <jrmy> well im installing xubuntu now
[12:52] <bazhang> ok
[12:52] <jrmy> and xubuntu?
[12:53] <bazhang> firefox I'd guess
[12:53] <bazhang> you can easily switch that out though
[12:53] <jrmy> ok
[12:53] <bazhang> chromium-browser is the package name
[12:54] <jrmy> ok so if i have xubuntu loaded upon login are other files still the same?
[12:55] <bazhang> sure
[12:55] <bazhang> if by other files you mean stuff in home
[12:55] <jrmy> ok i'd have to clarify that
[12:55] <jrmy> and yes i mean that
[12:55] <bazhang> yep
[12:55] <jrmy> ok
[12:55] <jrmy> i'll also find out once i do so
[12:55] <bazhang> in future you might consider a separate /home partition
[12:55] <jrmy> heh
[12:56] <jrmy> well i need to eat
[12:56] <bazhang> oh yeah, nothing to find out, it'll be the same
[12:56] <bazhang> ok, good luck
[12:56] <jrmy> ok
[12:56] <jrmy> yep getting weak
[12:56] <jrmy> havent aten in 12+ hours
[12:56] <jrmy> ate*
[12:56] <bazhang> see you later
[13:02] <strep> hello! anybody knows why i can't open a terminal on the desktop? i'm using lucid lynx Xubuntu? when i try it says i have no permission
[13:04] <strep> actually it says : Le changement de répertoire « /home/jean/Bureau » a échoué (Permission non accordée).
[13:04] <strep> if anyone got a clue, thank you =)
[13:05] <jrmy> awesome
[13:05] <jrmy> french
[13:05] <jrmy> :]
[13:05] <Sysi> strep: what you're actually doing?
[13:06] <strep> Sysi nothing in particular, i just wanted to install commercial repository
[13:07] <strep> to then install skype
[13:07] <strep> i found another way to install fine, works fine, but no way to open the terminal anymore with right click on desktop
[13:09] <jrmy> ok, time to try xubuntu
[13:09] <jrmy> brb
[13:10] <jrmy> whats the command to log out?
[13:12] <jrmy> does xubuntu use gnome-terminal?
[13:13] <Sysi> xfce4-terminal
[13:13] <jrmy> whats that one like?
[13:13] <knome> very much like the gnome-terminal.
[13:14] <Sysi> better :P
[13:16] <jrmy> as long as i can customize it like how you can with the gnome terminal then i'll like it
[13:16] <Sysi> can you customize gnome terminal?
[13:16] <jrmy> yep
[13:16] <jrmy> as in make profiles for it
[13:16] <strep> have a nice day ;]
[13:17] <knome> there's no *profiles* for xfce4-terminal, but you can adjust the colors
[13:17] <jrmy> i liek how you can make the background transparent so you can see your desktop background
[13:18] <jrmy> how about changing the font and cursor type?
[13:18] <Sysi> easy
[13:18] <jrmy> good
[13:19] <jrmy> now only if i can log out of ubuntu so i can login with xubuntu
[13:19] <Sysi> do you know, you can make all this "customizing" even on very basic xterm, exept maybe opacity
[13:31] <jrmy> back
[13:31] <jrmy> ok so with ubuntu installed as well does it cause xubuntu to run slower?
[13:32] <bazhang> no
[13:32] <jrmy> ok so i can have both
[13:33] <jrmy> i might delete the ubuntu files
[13:33] <jrmy> but idk if that matters
[13:33] <bazhang> not really, but easily accomplished
[13:34] <jrmy> i do liek xubuntu alot
[13:34] <jrmy> from little of what ive seen
[13:34] <jrmy> :D
[13:43] <jrmy> bazhang: you there anymore?
[13:44] <bazhang> jrmy, sorry, yes
[13:45] <jrmy> is there channels that are specific states for xubuntu liek ubuntu?
[13:45] <bazhang> oh loco channels?
[13:45] <bazhang> probably all are okay in those, afaik
[13:46] <bazhang> lots fewer users, so less need to segregate by DE
[13:46] <bazhang> !loco
[13:47] <bazhang> there's a link on that page to the full list
[13:50] <jrmy> so is xubuntu sorta like its own thing or is it of more of a connection with ubuntu liek as far as community and development?
[13:51] <bazhang> part of the whole community
[13:51] <bazhang> its the same stuff underneath, after all
[13:52] <bazhang> same repos, etc
[13:52] <jrmy> ok
[13:52] <jrmy> so basically #ubuntu-us-mi is the place to go for me
[13:53] <bazhang> should do, though here is fine as well :)
[13:54] <jrmy> ok
[13:55] <jrmy> really depends if any of the users in my state use xubuntu
[13:55] <jrmy> though i wouldnt think there is to many differences
[14:31] <jrmy> now i just need to get a new power adapter and maybe a new battery
[14:32] <jrmy> i dont know why my friend bought a power adapter that was less then needed on both voltage and current
[14:32]  * jrmy shakes his head
[18:56] <jrmy> how do i put the terminal on the top panel?
[18:56] <Sysi> launcher?
[18:56] <jrmy> you cant drag from the menu i have no idea
[18:56] <jrmy> yeah a launcher that opens the terminal
[18:56] <Sysi> right click → add launcher
[18:56] <jrmy> ok then what?
[18:57] <Sysi> command is xfce4-terminal
[18:57] <jrmy> ok
[20:57] <sdwinder> hi, anyone here have any experience with clonezilla?
[20:58] <sdwinder> anybody there?
[23:10] <Mahmoud> where can I find menu.xml for xfce menu?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu? I don't think the latest version uses it