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James147nymphaeaceae: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Lists  might be of intreast00:00
James147(and I might be mixing up c and bash abit in my explnations :D  )00:01
nymphaeaceaenah.. that looks like it involves reading..00:01
James147its only that one section, not too long :)00:03
nymphaeaceaemeh..00:03
nymphaeaceaegood lord this is taking forever..00:08
James147nymphaeaceae: you are basically having to download all of kde :S00:10
nymphaeaceaeoh00:10
nymphaeaceaethat explains that00:10
James147(execpt maby the icons...)00:10
nymphaeaceaeshould I replace configuration files?00:14
James147nymphaeaceae: if you havent modified them00:14
nymphaeaceaeit's been modified by either myself or a script since installation..00:15
nymphaeaceaeso no then?00:15
James147nymphaeaceae: ... I would say yes, unless you ahve explictly modified themy yourself00:15
nymphaeaceaeif I loose something I like.. I'll be very cross...00:16
nymphaeaceae^_^00:16
James147(or say yes, note the files, and reapply the changes you made)00:16
James147nymphaeaceae: :) well what file is it asking to be replaced?00:16
nymphaeaceaeppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports00:17
nymphaeaceaegrrr,,,00:17
nymphaeaceae/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc00:17
BluesKajthat's a standard choice when upgrading, nymphaeaceae , it shouldn't harm your upgrade00:18
nymphaeaceaeso yes, then?00:18
James147thats only the login screen, I generally replace that one when it asks me :)  you can reapply changes via system settings > login screen  if you made any (if not then you wont really notice anything)00:18
nymphaeaceaeso if I have a custom one I have to reapply it, that mostly it?00:19
BluesKajhowever if you have ppas then they may be out of date after your upgrade00:19
nymphaeaceaelogin and boots?00:19
nymphaeaceaeeep?00:19
James147nymphaeaceae: you might have to reapply a theme (the themes wont be removed)... cant remeber if i actually had to do taht or not though...00:20
nymphaeaceaeoh.. ok..00:21
James147nymphaeaceae: yeah, looking at it, it seems to store the settings you can edit via system settings > login manager00:21
James147nymphaeaceae: shouldnt really make much different if you say yes or no if you havnt changed anything there00:21
nymphaeaceaeonly have a custom login screen and following boot-page00:22
James147nymphaeaceae: then its up to you if you want to replace it or not :)00:23
nymphaeaceaemight as well..00:23
nymphaeaceaewell.. gonna let things sit, head home, and see what needs re-customizing..00:27
detoyahas anyone else had problems with the recent kernel causing really bad swap behaviour?00:39
detoyaI get OOM constantly on a machine with 4G of ram and 9G of swap00:40
detoyaI get stuff like this on dmesg:00:42
detoya[285986.903893] iwlagn 0000:02:00.0: Failed to allocate SKB buffer with GFP_ATOMIC. Only 0 free buffers remaining.00:42
detoya[285986.910855] chromium-browse: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x402000:42
detoya[285986.910861] Pid: 3992, comm: chromium-browse Not tainted 2.6.32-24-generic #41-Ubuntu00:42
detoya[00:42
FloodBotK2detoya: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.00:42
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Matissehi03:45
Matissewhy is kubuntu running portmap by default?03:46
MatisseI'm reading the Linux Security HOWTO, and a thumb rule says: if you dont know the service, then its not needed03:50
Matisseaka security risk03:50
KageAccording to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB I need to add myself to the vboxusers group, but this group does not exist <.<04:06
MatisseKage, what happens if you type groups?04:15
Kagechuck@fate:~$ groups04:15
Kagechuck adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare04:15
Matisseand   grep vbox /etc/group    does nothing?04:19
KageAh, I see the problem: Note: Only the non-free version has USB support at present.04:19
KageI have the OSE04:19
KageKinda sucks.... meh04:21
Matisseit doesnt sound like its important. just use usb outside the box04:22
KageMatisse: I am experimenting with creating USB bootable drives04:24
Kage<.<04:24
Matisseah, ok04:24
KageSleeping pills are working faster then I thought they would04:25
KageI feel like I might pass out any seconds04:25
KageGetting harder to hit the right keys...04:26
Kagemust.... hold.... on....04:26
Matisselol04:26
Matissegood night04:26
KageI have to install vbox...04:27
Kagemust reach goal!04:27
Kagefrack... had to type in my sudo password 3 times04:27
Kageto get it04:27
Matissewoaahh04:28
Matissehold on04:28
Matisseyou need sleep :D04:28
Matisselike me04:28
Matisseso anyway, good night, i'll enjoy the darkness now04:29
Matisseand good luck ;)04:29
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yvonnequestion: can i have both the Kubuntu and Kubuntu netbook environments and just choose between them at login like i can between Ubuntu/Ubuntu-netbook?  I tried installing both but i only get one choice on the login, kubuntu-netbook04:37
yvonneand it is simply labeled "kde"04:39
yvonneso in other words, i want two entries on the login that allow me to choose between the regular kubuntu desktop and kubuntu-netbook.  anyone have an idea how to?04:48
sebasorry ... what is the Ubuntu channel?05:15
Pavel_10Can anyone help me with a partitioning question?06:00
Pavel_10I'm wondering if I can install a netbook remix on a really small partition to simulate how it might run on a limited processor06:02
erigais_i think you can do it with wubi06:12
erigais_netbook is an option and it gives you the size, so you should see if the partition size you want is available in the drop down list for GB06:13
damian__Hi06:21
anirudhguys. I have an 80 gb partition. Im not able to use it. It shows up on dolphin but its mounted in /media . How do I use it?06:21
damian__did you mount it manually?06:22
anirudhCreated it while installing kubuntu06:22
anirudhim able to access it via konsole and modify it06:22
damian__so you told kubuntu install dialog to mount it for you?06:24
anirudhyes06:24
damian__mmmm06:24
damian__what you want is the partition to apppear in dolphin's side panel?06:25
anirudhit appears there. but there is a single directory called lost+found and im not able to create files/folders etc06:26
damian__what format is the partition?06:26
anirudhI dont remember.06:27
anirudhMost probably ext4.06:27
damian__could you give me the output06:28
anirudhSmall chances of ext3 or fat32 or ntfs.06:28
anirudhWait ill check06:28
damian__of df -h06:28
damian__the message got broken :P06:28
damian__I meant the output of df -h06:28
anirudhhttp://pastebin.ca/194187606:29
anirudhdev/sda706:30
damian__is sda7 the partition you are trying to access?06:31
anirudhyes06:32
damian__it seems to be almost empty does it have something?06:32
anirudhan empty folder lsot + found06:32
damian__can you see this partition in dolphin side panel?06:33
anirudhhttp://pastebin.ca/1941877 this output comes if i try to open it in konsole.06:34
damian__that's ok06:34
damian__lost+found is something of ext06:34
anirudhI can see the partition  but it does not allow me to create files, folders or modify it06:34
damian__it's normal, I never new why it's actually there06:35
damian__have you tried in konsole?06:35
anirudhi can create some folders06:36
damian__?06:36
anirudhwith root permission06:36
anirudhin /media/dev06:36
damian__oh06:36
damian__ok06:37
damian__I think you have to change a few things in /etc/fstab06:37
damian__look for the line that says /dev/sda706:37
anirudhok. Another problem. im not able to save text files in that partition06:38
anirudhtheres nothing about sda7 in fstab. that could be the problem?06:39
anirudhsorry there is a line06:39
damian__are you sure? if it's automatically mounted at boot it should be there06:40
damian__ok06:40
damian__no problem06:40
anirudhhttp://pastebin.ca/194187906:40
damian__I remember having that problem06:40
damian__I fixed it by adding UUID=something option06:41
damian__I'll search it06:41
anirudhok06:42
damian__try changing /dev/sda7 permissions06:42
damian__something like chmod 0777 /dev/sda706:43
damian__and also /media/dev06:43
damian__maybe that should do,now I remember that UUID thing was with a fat partition06:43
anirudhi tried remounting it. didnt work.06:45
anirudhill try this06:45
anirudhi can create folders without root access. but i still cant create and save files06:47
damian__that's weird06:48
anirudhfunny thing is06:48
damian__did you changed permissions?06:48
anirudhi can do it in dolphin06:48
damian__haha06:48
anirudhyep! thank you. its working on dolphin06:48
Lord_Drachenblutanirudh: is this a thumb drive formated as ext2 or something like that?06:48
damian__no prob06:48
anirudhLord_Drachenblut: no. Hard disk partition. ext406:48
damian__does anyone know what is the planned multimedia player for maverik?06:49
damian__or at leat what comes with the betas06:49
Lord_Drachenblutdoes the user have permission to the disk06:49
anirudhLord_Drachenblut: yep! i now fixed the problem! Thank you!06:52
Lord_Drachenblutanirudh: I ran into that same problem with thumb drives before06:53
damian__has anyone tried maverik betas?06:54
Lord_Drachenblutdamian__: not yet06:54
damian__I wanted to know about the situacion of the multimedia player06:55
damian__in the brainstorm page some people talk about vlc06:55
anirudhdamian__: not yet. But I dont think they are changing media players in kubuntu. only for xubuntu. But pulseaudio will be sound driver in kubuntu06:55
anirudhhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Beta/Kubuntu06:56
damian__so they are keeping dragon with xine?06:56
damian__maybe they should use vlc backend, I heard good things about it06:57
anirudhThere are some rumours of that.06:57
anirudhIm not sure about ubuntu-gnome06:57
damian__yeah but I'm talking about phonon backend06:58
damian__new betas look awesome, I hope they work better too06:59
Lord_Drachenbluti think there are some potential issues shipping with vlc as the backend07:04
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RealmkeeperIs the kubuntu.org page suppose to just show "OK" with nothing else?07:15
frogonwheelsRealmkeeper: nope - shows plenty for me07:17
Realmkeeperfrogonwheels: kubuntu.org.png will show just "OK", yet, kubuntu.org/news will show a normal page.07:27
Realmkeeperfrogonwheels: The two images are here for you to see: http://realmkeeper.com/public_folder/07:28
Realmkeeperfrogonwheels: Happens both in Firefox and in Konqueror for me.07:29
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Realmkeeperfrogonwheels: The main page comes up now.07:49
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noaXesshey all09:16
noaXesskwin and xorg process need about 20% cpu, each.... havea nvidia grafic.. and that problem is since i upgraded to kde 4.5 and 4.5.109:17
noaXessany idea to fix that?09:17
zegenienoaXess: It's a common issue09:18
noaXesszegenie: from kde?09:18
zegeniethere's a partial "fix" coming in 4.5.2, but the real issue is in the nvidia drivers09:18
noaXessis there a workaround until it is fixed?09:18
zegenieyes09:19
zegeniehang on09:19
noaXesszegenie: when will 4.5.2 be released and packaged for kubuntu? and still in beta ppa or in main repo of kunbuntu?09:19
zegeniethere is a (somewhat experimental) script / mini-program you can download that will update a component in kde with some fixes that will be available in 4.5.209:19
noaXesscan wait.. but work is hard..09:20
zegenieservice relesaes like 4.5.1 and 4.5.2 are released about every month09:20
noaXessis kde 4.5.1 in kubuntu ppa still beta?09:20
zegenieno, it's the final 4.5.109:20
noaXesszegenie: ah ok.. so wait until october ;)09:20
zegenie(as long as you get it from backports)09:20
noaXesszegenie: i have it from backports.. it's only availabe ther, right?09:21
zegenieyou can wait until october, or try the nouveau drivers (instead of the nvidia-provided ones)09:21
zegeniethey do release test versions in other repositories like their beta repository, but if you have backports, it's 4.5.1-kubuntu final09:21
noaXesszegenie: hm... have two monitors on my notebook.. primary internal and an external hdmi.. does that work in nv driver?09:21
zegenienv driver is outdated and not working very well09:22
noaXessis nv not= nouveau?09:22
zegenieyou will want to use the new nouveau driver09:22
zegenienope09:22
noaXessaha.. ok..09:22
zegenienv = NVidias own open driver09:22
zegenienouveau = open driver developed by the community09:22
noaXesshm.. but the no effects an such things09:22
zegeniethat's an issue with both nv and nouveau, unfortunately09:22
zegeniealthough, nouveau is better in that regard as it allows you to run basic desktop effects through xrender09:23
zegenieit's easy to try though, and if it doesn't work you can easily switch back to the nvidia one09:23
noaXesszegenie: if i now switch to nouveau, i need some work to get it runing, right? or just install the driver?09:23
zegenieand then you can always wait for 4.5.2 :)09:23
noaXesswhats the package name?09:24
noaXessxserver-xorg-video-nouveau09:24
zegeniethe nouveau driver is usually installed if you have an nvidia graphics chipset (it tends to autodetect that stuff)09:24
zegenieotherwise it's the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package yes09:24
noaXessInstalled: 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu509:24
zegenieare you familiar with the console?09:24
noaXessyes..09:24
zegeniecool09:24
zegeniemake a backup of your xorg.conf file09:24
noaXesszegenie: so just change the xorg.conf09:24
zegeniein the console, type "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup"09:25
zegeniethen "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"09:25
zegeniethat will remove the configuration file, as it is not really needed for the nouveau driver09:25
zegeniethen you should uninstall the nvidia driver, which is usually a matter of running "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current"09:26
noaXesszegenie: and how to setup the external monitor?09:26
zegeniethat can be done via KDEs monitor configuration09:26
zegeniesystem settings -> display and monitor09:26
noaXesszegenie: and nvidia needs to really be removed?09:26
zegenienvidia doesn't support that, so you are probably used to using nvidias own nvidia-settings to configure that stuff09:27
zegeniekdes monitor/display config utility is very similar and shouldn't be very hard to figure out09:27
zegenieyes, nvidia drivers needs to be removed, because they will load automatically otherwise and in general conflict with loading nouveau09:27
noaXessso.. remove xorg.conf, nvidia-current.. and restart.. .. will give it a try..09:28
noaXessif it doesnt work, i just need to install nvidia-current and restore xorg.con09:28
noaXessf09:28
zegenieif something goes wrong (your display doesn't start properly, display is garbled, etc), you should boot into "root recovery console" and do "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo cp ~/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/"09:28
zegenieoui09:28
noaXessjepi..09:28
zegeniealso, when KDE then restarts, desktop effects will be disabled09:28
zegenieI'll tell you how to re-enable them when you get there :)09:29
noaXessok.. and... rebooot09:29
zegeniegood luck :)09:29
noaXesszegenie: i know that.. cause. i'm familiar in console.. and such basic config scripts, files...09:29
zegeniecool09:30
zegenieyou never know, better to have mentioned it once than to be sorry later ;)09:30
zegenieI'm actually logging out / in myself because of that pre-4.5.2 nvidia fix09:30
zegeniebrb :)09:30
zegenienoaXess: welcome back09:36
zegeniehow's the status? :)09:36
noaXesshehe.. strange display. now.. wrong resolution.. but i'm configuring it.. and mirrored display ;)09:37
zegenieyeah, that's to be expected09:37
zegenienouveau has its own quirks, so whether you like it better than nvidia "official" is a just a matter of personal pref09:37
zegenieand, of course, hardware ;09:38
noaXesstataaaa.. work.. :)09:38
zegenieso, basically, leaving things as they are now (no desktop effects) is probably the "fastest" you'll get09:38
zegeniedesktop effects may or may not improve / smooth things out, so whether you want to run with it, you'll have to try and see09:39
zegeniesystem settings -> desktop effects -> "Advanced" tab09:39
zegeniethere's a dropdown that says "opengl" and "xrender", change it to xrender and apply09:39
zegeniethen go back to the "General" tab and press suspend / resume compositing a few times (sometimes it doesn't detect whether it's suspended or not) until you're happy09:40
zegeniean issue with nouveau / xrender is that many effects won't work, such as blur, cover switch, desktop cube, etc09:40
zegeniebut you'll get shadows, transparency and some other basic effects09:40
zegeniealso, xrender animations tends to be a bit slow, so you'll want to change the animations speed in the "General" tab to something faster than "Normal" ;)09:41
noaXesszegenie: have switched back to nvidia.. i love effects ;)..09:49
noaXessso.. wait for 4.5.209:49
zegenienoaXess: allright :)09:59
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noaXessanybody know how to configure my touchpad on my notebook? is there any tool yet?10:12
MamaroknoaXess: IIRC you need to add an additional package10:17
noaXessMamarok: hey..10:17
noaXessMamarok: and which one?10:18
Mamarokkcm-touchpad. If you search with 'aptitude search touchpad' you can find that yourself :)10:18
noaXessMamarok: and configure it over systemsettings / input devices/ toucpad? but i can't.. its disabled..10:29
noaXessTouchpad Name: device not found10:30
MamaroknoaXess: check your laptop function keys, it might be disabled10:31
noaXessno10:31
MamaroknoaXess: try restarting KDE (logout and log in again)10:31
noaXessthe laptop shoortcut doesn't work to enable/disable it10:31
noaXesshave done that allready10:31
noaXessis it an usb device?10:32
ultralinuxhola buenas10:47
MamaroknoaXess: then I don't know, the particual brand just might not be known. Did you check the manufacturer support website?10:52
Mamarokparticular*10:52
noaXessMamarok: not yet.. for the moment i disable the touch pad over a command.. rmmod psmouse10:52
MamaroknoaXess: well, that is usually always the first step with hardware problems10:53
noaXessMamarok: i know.. but i normally use a external usb mouse.. and don't use the touchpad often..10:54
noaXesshm.. how can i find out information about my touchpad?10:54
MamaroknoaXess: I just told you, search the manufacturer's website10:55
Mamarokand use google :)10:55
noaXessMamarok: i mean.. is it normally an usb device?10:55
noaXessso it should be listed with lsusb.. right?10:55
MamaroknoaXess: no, why? a touchpad is built-in, not connected through USB10:57
Mamaroklspci should list it10:57
noaXessMamarok: i know.... anyway.. will check google later10:57
Mamarokand you know the brand of your laptop, no?10:58
noaXessMamarok: i know all.. but now.. lunchtime. bbs..10:58
GuiTorishello, i know the gnome standard partitionprogram is the Gparted, but what is the KDE's version?11:03
Mamarokpatience...11:10
daeron_hi everybody11:29
daeron_i've got a trouble with kontact 4.4.511:30
daeron_i can't send email11:30
daeron_with every specific domain (i mean google, yahoo, live.com etc etc)11:30
daeron_anyone may help me?11:30
52AACCA65ey, the fucking kate won't handle my tab correctly. once he does use spaces, but i dont have selectet "use space insteat of tab" !!12:19
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noaXesszegenie_: hey.. you have wrote, that there is a script to fix the kwin/xorg problem in kde 4.5.1, you know where to get this script?12:24
ulysseshey guys, Dolphin can't copy from a SFTP server, I start the copy, but the progress bar stucks and nothing happens, there isn't any single downloaded bit… Any idea?12:26
ulyssesOh, system is Kubuntu 10.04.1 with KDE 4.4.212:26
zegenie_noaXess: http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/09/performance-issues-one-script-and-call.html12:32
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slow-motionhi14:24
ArayHi Everyone14:30
ArayNeed your help in solving an issue with Kwin. I am on kubuntu 10.10 / kde 4.5.114:31
BluesKaj'morning folks14:31
ArayThe problem is desktop getting freezed at times. Since last 2-3 days this has happened 4 times.14:31
ArayI am on intel driver.14:31
ArayCan I do something to avoid this freeze?14:31
BluesKajAray, best to ask in #ubuntu+1 , it's the dev chat14:32
Aray@BlueKaj - Thanks for the channel.14:32
ArayHi Everyone!!14:33
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hsaliakhi, in KDE SC 4.5, when i install webkitkde and set it as default for konqueror, i notice that it stalls for about a minute when loading heavy java script ( gmail  etc) . I also see the same behaviour with rekonq and arora, anyone experienced the same before?15:08
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FlashDeluxeHi! I have a RAID 1 with mdadm and one of the disks got a headcrash, now the system doesn`t boot with the second disk :( What do i have to do, to make it boot?15:37
noaXessswitched to nouveau display driver. and setup display's in systemsettings... but the settings will no be saved.. on reboot, they're gone..15:48
evdveldehi all, i am thinking of switching from arch linux to kubutnu (back). How is the support for a macbook pro 3.1?16:07
evdveldeand next thing: i like my software to be very up2date (hence arch linux :-) ), but since the kubuntu ppa seems to be very good and up2date, i am switching back... are there other things/tips you could say about staying up2date in a safe way? :)16:08
mirihallo zusammen16:08
miribin neu hier habe ubuntu und möchte videos schauen und das geht net schnief kannn mir  jemand helfen16:09
rork!de | miri16:09
ubottumiri: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.16:09
James147evdvelde: using the backports ppa helps (note that kubuntu dosnt update major version of programs during a release, although some of them get added to the packports ppa)16:09
mirihallo bin ich hier richtig16:10
James147evdvelde: (ie by default, lucid is still on 4.4.2, but the backports conatins 4.5.1)16:10
James147^^ of kde that is)16:10
evdveldeJames147: i think the most important for me is the kde suite, and that seems to stay quite up2date in the kubuntu kde ppa, other software including wine, vlc has its own ppa's if i like (heard from a colleague)... and i could care less about system stuff16:11
rorkmiri: nein, wenn du deutch reden sollen must ihr #kubuntu-de besuchen, in dieser knal wird nur english gesprochen16:11
evdveldei like to see the new shiny stuff, libraries and compilers are not that important :)16:11
miriok16:11
evdveldein fact, when developing, it is not always fun to have the latest gcc and be the first to find the new errors :)16:11
EvilRoeyhey all16:12
EvilRoeyAsh-Fox:  hola16:12
EvilRoeyI'm starting to use KDE SC Activities, find it all well and good; the thing is, tasks from other activities clutter up my task manager.  I think the Task Manager should have a checkbox to [x] show only tasks from current Activity (it already can filter based on desktop or screen)... what's your opinion?16:12
James147evdvelde: well, kde is availble in the backports (well, untill the next version of kubuntu is released, lucid wont get kde 4.6 as far as I know, but maverick will be out then and will get it when kde 4.6 is released) and the wine team have a ppa on their site for newer version of wine16:12
evdveldeJames147: thanks for the info, now i just need a bit of time to install it... exciting, sailed by ubuntu once, just before arch linux, curious about what i shall think of it now :)16:13
EvilRoeyJames147:  how are you saying that Maverick will contain KDE 4.6?  I thought Maverick is out this October, while KDE SC 4.6 is due later this coming January16:13
EvilRoeyevdvelde:  use kubuntu hehehe it's better16:14
evdveldeEvilRoey: i think he means it will come in maverick-backports16:14
James147EvilRoey: sorry, I ment maverick will get kde 4.6 in its backports when kde 4.6 is out, it will use kde 4.5 by default16:14
EvilRoeyohhhh got it16:14
evdveldeEvilRoey: experience with arch too?16:14
EvilRoeynein16:14
evdveldeso how do you know :p16:14
EvilRoeyRed Hat (early '98), then Debian ever since and recently Kubuntu16:14
EvilRoeyevdvelde:  oh I meant that kde > gnome16:14
EvilRoeyso it follows logically that kubuntu > ubuntu16:15
evdveldeEvilRoey: definetley, used kubuntu then as well, but i think it is the same16:15
EvilRoey:)16:15
evdveldeEvilRoey: i think it is a pity in fact that they have different sites and such... instead of just a switch in the installer... but that is me :)16:15
James147EvilRoey: btw, are you talking about activities, or virtual desktops (its the virtual desktops that hold the programs, activites hole the widgets)16:15
EvilRoeyactivities16:16
James147EvilRoey: also, there is a checkbox to only show application from the curren desktop (as well as current screen) in the task managers settings (right click and empty part of the task manager > task manager settings... note that on kde 4.4 you need to close windows untill there is a blank part of the task manager you can click)16:17
EvilRoeyfor me, if I switch to a different activity, I (personally) don't want to see windows from other activities16:17
alvinevdvelde: I'm curious. I never used arch. Why are you abandoning it?16:17
EvilRoeyJames147:  well I have that checked, too16:17
EvilRoeyJames147:  but I want to show only tasks from the current Activity16:17
James147EvilRoey: ... windows arent assiciated with activities, they are assosicated with virtual desktops, activities only hold widgets/backgrounds16:17
evdveldealvin: oh well, it is not that i am really against it... i love it and i learned a lot. But i like to try different things and occasionally, the DIY style of arch is not that fun... I am a computer scientist, but working with computers does not have to be hard for me all the time :)16:18
James147EvilRoey: you cant since they dont work taht way,16:18
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alvinevdvelde: ok, thanks. I was thinking myself of switching to arch.16:19
EvilRoeyJames147:  activities are not useful for my needs then16:19
James147EvilRoey: windows get placed on different virtual desktops, they dont care at all what activity is active,16:19
James147EvilRoey: its virtual desktops you want to look at16:19
evdveldealvin: e.g. you can install grub2 on arch, but it is less straight-forward, cups is a bit harder at first...16:19
EvilRoeyJames147:  see, I see an Activity as adding a new dimension along which I can organize my workflow16:19
EvilRoeyJames147:  but I see what you are saying16:20
evdveldealvin: but i recommend you try it and see for yourself... it is true that you learn more by using arch while *buntu is holding your hand more often :)16:20
James147EvilRoey: it is, for widgets... activities act like virtual desktops for widgets (not windows, since they already ahve virtual desktops)16:20
alvinI'll not miss a beta version of grub :-) That might just be a reason to switch.16:20
evdveldealvin: true, but i was trying that one for a project of mine, otherwise, i dont care about bootloaders anyway as long as they load my system :)16:20
alvinOh, it doesn't have to be DIY for me. I choose Kubuntu because I have to support a *lot* of computers. Gentoo, my former love, wasn't the easiest distro to do that.16:21
EvilRoeyJames147:  hmm, since I don't use widgets....16:21
evdveldeI hate gentoo alvin ;-) that is not completely true but i just always found it to be useless to compile everything, a waste of time16:21
alvinevdvelde: That's the case. Since Jaunty I've had so many boot issues on so many machines that it really is not funny anymore. I've had a whole network (with same nics) that still have issues to bring their eth0 up in Lucid.16:21
alvinI was thinking about debian, so I won't have to adapt that much, but I also want the latest KDE and now that Maverick promises good Kolab support I think I'll stay a while longer and see.16:23
evdveldealvin: that is not fun indeed... any solutions in sight?16:23
evdveldealvin: debian is just old shit ;)16:23
alvinNot for the moment. The bug was marked as fixed :-( But all nics have had their mac addresses changed by Lucid.16:23
evdveldealvin: another reason for switching for me: i have to support some ubuntu servers, an ubuntu testbed and my parents who started using ubuntu on my call recently :D (all with a K of course ;) )16:24
James147EvilRoey: then you dont really ahve a need for activities (although you still use widgets... the panel is covered by them :D .. assuming you still have a panel)16:24
evdveldealvin: if you need support with that, perhaps i can help... been there too16:26
alvinYeah, I do have to support some servers also.... boot issues are better, but still there. (netfs in kvm doesn't come up at boot, automatic NFS mount issues,..) broken RAIDs at boot. and since Lucid a high average load on a lot of machines. No, it can be better.16:26
alvinevdvelde: Thank you. I took commercial support. All those issues remain, but I have workarounds in place.16:26
volodyaI have kdm crashing right after entering password, with maverick beta installed and then fully upgaded, on a NVIDIA Quadro NVS 3100M card. Does anybody know a workaround?16:27
evdveldealvin: i tend to fiddle with those things myself and we have a really cool lab for our students now :-D16:27
alvinCanonical doesn't fix bugs. (well, they do, but it's not part of a support contract and that's understandable)16:27
James147volodya: #ubuntu+1 for meverick support16:27
BluesKajvolodya, ask in #ubuntu+116:27
alvinvolodya: Yes, install nvidia-common. Nouveau segfaults. I'm currently filing the bug16:27
alvinvolodya: nvidia-current I mean16:28
volodyaalvin: is just installing that supposed to fix the issue?16:28
alvinvolodya: Well, if you install it will automatically be set as the default driver16:29
alvinIt's not a fix, mind you! You're just using another driver16:29
alvinvolodya: Filed. It's bug 64059616:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 640596 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "KDM: X crashes on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64059616:29
volodyaI get some warning from update-alternatives during install. Is this expected?16:29
alvinvolodya: I think it is16:30
alvinTo change drivers afterwards, use jockey-txt16:30
volodyagah, it appears to still crash16:31
alvinhmm16:32
alvinHave you rebooted?16:32
volodyayeah.16:33
volodyalet me run this jockey thing16:33
alvinIf you want to see more information, start a text console and start KDE with $ startx16:33
volodyais it supposed to say "Searching for available drivers" and then exit?16:33
alvinYes :-) try $ jockey-text --list16:34
volodyaah, nvidia_current appears to be the only one, and is enabled16:34
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volodyawow, startx itself works.16:36
volodyaat 800x600 ;-)16:36
EvilRoeyhey all..  how do I set up Dirvish to copy from nightly BTRFS snapshots instead of from the live filesystem?16:52
anxelhola16:53
anxelalguien me puede ayudar a arreglar el sonido del youtube16:54
anxelno se escucha16:54
BluesKaj!es | anxel16:54
ubottuanxel: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.16:54
volodyaalvin: fwiw, installing nvidia-current appears to make 'startx' work, with right resolution and compositing, but kdm still crashes on login16:56
EagleScreen_anxel: pincha en #ubuntu-es y preugnta ahí16:56
anxelgracias men16:57
BluesKajvolodya, habe you asked in #ubuntu+1 as we suggested earlier ?16:58
BluesKajhave16:58
volodyaBluesKaj: no. I'm responding to a specific comment I was given.16:58
BluesKajyou really should find some help for a devel OS as listed in the caption above  Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu+117:00
BluesKajok, time for the news17:00
BluesKajbbl17:01
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sebajoin #Ubuntu-es18:00
DarthFrogseba:  you mean /join18:14
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toat3136is there a mini install possibilty for linux mint like for ubuntu?18:47
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raindogIs there a way to turn off system beep for one app, chromium?  Or turn it off for everything?  I've tried modprobe -r pcspkr19:42
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James147raindog: try turning the system bell off, system settings > accessability19:47
raindogJames147: Thank you thank you.  I was looking under system bell.  My sanity is now restored.  :)19:48
Lars_GIn the kde netbook view, or default newer kde views, is there an "expose" like keystroke? one default stroke to show all opened windows in the syste,19:52
James147Lars_G: yes, its the present windows desktop effect (requires desktop effects enabled) shortcut keys are: Ctrl+F10: All desktops, Crtl+F9: Current desktop, Crtl+F7:Window class19:55
James147Lars_G: these can all be configured in desktop effects in system ssettings19:55
James147(or the global keyboard shorcuts part of system settings)19:55
Lars_Gthank you James14719:55
James147note that you can also set that effect for the alt+tab window switcher19:56
Lars_GIt seems they're not enabled, or the shortcuts not assigned, I'll check19:56
Lars_GOk, desktop effects enabled, and they don't seem to slow down my netbook19:57
Lars_Gthank you very much sir!19:57
James147Lars_G: they may or may not drain more power (due to waking up your gpu/cpu more often)19:58
Lars_Gok19:58
James147Lars_G: I would advise you disable any effects you dont need/want19:58
Lars_GIt seems the machine's intel gpu is enough to move them19:58
Lars_Gyeah I'll depure them latter, now beleive it or not I need the effects to work :P19:58
James147Lars_G: also, if your on a laptop it may be configured to disable desktop effects when unpluged, see System settings > advanced > power managment to change that19:59
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Lars_GI want to hug people at random20:09
Lars_GJames147: trouble is I can't set it up to reenable the effects on the plugged in profile20:11
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James147Lars_G: you cannot? (it should enable the effects if the "disable effects" option is not checked, assuming that effects wernt disabled globally)20:12
Lars_GJames147: Ah I understand20:15
James147Lars_G: the working is a little confusing :) the powermagament only suspends effects, dosnt "disable" them...20:15
James147wording ^^20:15
James147(like hitting the suspend effects button the the desktop effects page20:16
thomasfustonAloha, i got a short question, i got a new display (BenQ G2200W 22"), and i got all the time some flicker on the screen, on kde system settings i can choose only between 59.9 hz and 60hz, but both show me the same result... flicker on the screen20:16
Lars_GJames147: not selecting "deactivate effects" activates them if they're not disabled20:16
Lars_GOk i get it20:16
James147Lars_G: yeah20:16
James147(or at least it should ;) )20:17
James147thomasfuston: what graphics card/drivers are you using?20:19
thomasfustonJames147: well i dont think its a a card problem on 17" lcd no flicker, but the new display does, but its only an intel gma950 nothin special20:21
James147thomasfuston: with or without desktop effects enabled?20:22
thomasfustonturn effects of change nothin, already tried this20:22
thomasfuston*off20:23
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Lars_GI'd check if dri is being used... that card should be able to go higer than 60hz I think.20:29
slow-motionhi20:30
EvilRoeyhi20:31
administradorhola20:32
EvilRoeyhi hi20:35
Lars_Gkonnichiha20:35
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EvilRoeykonnichiwa20:45
fedorhi!20:45
administradorhello20:46
Lars_Gyoohoo20:55
ckhi all20:59
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yannis_hello, pressing Edit Software Sources does nothing, any way to invoke that dialog through terminal?21:16
James147yannis_: it should ask you for a password, is the dialog hiding behind kpackagekit?21:18
yannis_no hidden dialog21:19
yannis_oh it's a known bug21:19
James147yannis_: also, dont know of a way to invoke it via cli, but what are you trying to do? there are cli ways of directly doing some things it configures21:19
yannis_trying to enable default repositories21:19
duckx0rhow do you select the default device for the volume up, volume down and mute media keys? I have SB Live! EMU10k1 Analog Stereo and HD48x0 audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) and I want them to use the former rather then the latter21:20
yannis_could just edit sources.list I guess21:20
James147duckx0r: select a master chanel in kmix21:20
James147yannis_: yeah, thats the easiest way without the dialog :)  (also add-apt-repository <repo>)21:21
duckx0rJames147, ah thanks! That's perfect!21:22
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BluesKajduckx0r, type alsamixer in the terminal , use the arrow keys to navigate and the M key to mute or unmute in box/ctrls21:29
vbgunz_if I use the noovoh driver (open nvidia) my framebuffer displays at the native resolution of 1920x1080. If I use the nvidia binary, my framebuffer doesn't go up above 1280x1024. any ideas on getting my framebuffer to show up at my native resolution using the nvidia binaries?21:30
yannis_could anyone tell me what the official repos are?21:30
BluesKajoops , guess i should have srolled up21:30
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BluesKaj!repositories  | yannis_21:31
ubottuyannis_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories21:31
James147vbgunz_: have you tryed setting them in nvidia-settings?21:31
markithi, is it safe replace dbus 1.2 with 1.4 version to overcome dophin "freezes" and other issues? Taken from ppa:aleksander-m/dbus-development .. anyone has experience in this?21:33
vbgunz_James147: are you referring to the gui? if so, I've never seen a framebuffer option in there :/21:33
vbgunz_James147: interesting, I am looking at a sort of spreadsheet mumble jumbo code spaghetti. is it in there?21:35
vbgunz_im gonna google that21:35
James147vbgunz_: speadsheet? not sure what your looking at :S, nvidia-settings should allow you to set the resalution you want (better then the kde configs)21:36
vbgunz_no need to google it the little help button shows a lot of stuff but it ain't giving me real world resolutions21:37
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BluesKajvbgunz_, which nvidia card ?21:37
vbgunz_I am not trying to set the X resolution. I meant framebuffer. the consoles 1 through 6, the virtual terminals is what I am referring too21:37
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vbgunz_BluesKaj: I have a GTX 27521:38
James147vbgunz_: ahh :) not entirly sure how tahts done, but have seen some things on google on how to set it21:38
Guest41537whats the irc command to list channels on a server?21:38
vbgunz_I just can't get that table to make any sense. the help offers so little in helping me pick the right resolution here21:38
BluesKajvbgunz_, some frame ratios for your monitor with no X aren't picked up by the kernel source driver ...I have the same on my ati older card ..tty prompt is setup for a 4:3 screen , but mine is 16:1021:41
Guest41537thats alot of channels21:42
Guest41537stop21:42
vbgunz_BluesKaj: yeah, I swear that's whats happening. Just the thing is, the noovoh free driver gets the framebuffer right at the native resolution so I know it can be done. It's just pulling tooth and nails trying to use the nvidia binary21:42
James147vbgunz_: this might be intresting: http://tinyurl.com/25alfkn21:45
BluesKajvbgunz_, why not just use the nouveau ?21:46
pooo21:47
poohi21:49
vbgunz_BluesKaj: I really like the effects I have setup and for some off reason, the effects make my computer feel snappier. I turned them off several times and no matter the driver, it always feels choppy21:49
* BluesKaj searches for cheaper retro nvidia 7 series cards :)21:49
vbgunz_James147: I am gonna check that out hard right now21:49
BluesKajvbgunz_, fair enough :)21:50
vbgunz_BluesKaj: KDE 3.5 actually felt way better with no effects than KDE 4 with no effects and I had an old FX 5600 from walmart about 4 years old vs what I have now. you would think no effects would look good, I just don't know why it aint the case :(21:50
poolol21:54
vbgunz_I gotta reboot to check this out James147, give me a couple minutes and I'll let you know what exploded21:55
poodoes anyone talk in these irc rooms21:57
* James147 see people talking...21:57
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vbgunzBluesKaj, James147, I officially give up. im stuck with a 1280x1024 framebuffer resolution which clips about 15 columns to the right and for the moment I couldn'22:54
vbgunzbe happier being stuck22:54
vbgunzheh22:54
amsalbonsoir23:14
amsalj ai un probleme a me connecter au wifi sous kubuntu23:15
amsalya quelq un qui peut m aider23:16
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surunverihi23:34
surunverihow could i change the audio balance so that it's more on leftside23:34
surunveriwell for example23:34
surunverii mean volume23:34
surunveriach the balance i mean :D23:35
surunveriwith kubuntu 10.0423:35
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aezaerthsalut le monde23:59

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