[01:01] <thumper> meeting?
[01:02] <bac> #startmeeting
[01:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:02. The chair is bac.
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[01:02] <bac> who is here?
[01:02] <StevenK> O hai!
[01:02] <bac> sorry thumper for my tardiness
[01:02]  * thumper is here
[01:02] <bac> mwhudson, rockstar:ping
[01:02] <thumper> rockstar: are you walked?
[01:02] <mwhudson> hi
[01:03] <StevenK> lifeless is around
[01:03] <bac> yep
[01:03] <StevenK> Just not here
[01:03] <bac> but you're here, StevenK -- welcome
[01:04] <bac> well, perhaps lifeless will turn up
[01:04] <bac> sadly the only feedback from the ameu meeting was for him...
[01:04] <bac> hi lifeless
[01:04] <bac> it was a very brief meeting this morning.
[01:05]  * wallyworld_ here too
[01:05] <bac> outstanding actions:  big fail for me for not conversing with lifeless about a new metric for branch sizes
[01:05] <bac> hi wallyworld_
[01:05]  * rockstar is back...
[01:05] <bac> perhaps this week...
[01:06] <StevenK> I like meetings where the only action is for the chair
[01:06] <bac> lifeless: we had a short discussion about your request to incorporate the values in https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide into reviews
[01:07] <bac> everyone agrees it is a worthy goal.  i pointed to your post-review reviews for some guidance.
[01:08] <bac> on that topic, lifeless, there was some feedback that your review comments should be more formalized.  by that, it was meant if you make comments on a branch that hasn't been reviewed yet, why not turn it into a real review?
[01:09] <lifeless> I do when I have done one.
[01:10] <bac> lifeless: personally, i haven't seen any pre-review comments from you, only post-review ones...which i thought were germane and helpful
[01:12] <lifeless> thanks
[01:12] <bac> StevenK & thumper, how is the mentoring going?
[01:12] <StevenK> Slowly
[01:12] <thumper> still
[01:12] <StevenK> There's either no reviews to do, or someone steals mine.
[01:12]  * StevenK glares at lifeless 
[01:12] <bac> mars and leonard, who have the shift before you, offered to work more slowly so you'd have some reviews in the queue
[01:13] <bac> they were commended for their selflessness
[01:13] <thumper> heh
[01:13] <wallyworld_> lol
[01:13] <StevenK> Yes, I saw that :-)
[01:13] <mwhudson> :)
[01:14] <bac> i appealed to folks to pick you as a reviewer for any non-urgent reviews...but i suspect that just ain't going to happen
[01:14] <bac> so, slog on, i guess
[01:14] <bac> that was about it.
[01:14] <lifeless> cool
[01:14] <bac> do any of you have a new topic for discussion?
[01:15] <mwhudson> not that i can think of
[01:15] <lifeless> so bac, my feedback on the pre-review comments is that sometimes I havce the time to do a full review; othertimes I just glance.
[01:15] <lifeless> I'd love to every review, but I think that would be a bit selfish.
[01:16] <wallyworld_> i think lifeless has the right balance - as TA, he needs to be across everything but often not the fine detail
[01:19] <bac> lifeless: yeah, i see your point.  no one is asking you to do them all.  hey, i'm just the messenger here.  you can look at the channel logs to see if i got it wrong.
[01:20] <bac> so if there's nothing else to discuss we should adjourn and let mwhudson get to lunch.
[01:21] <mwhudson> +1
[01:21] <mwhudson> :)
[01:21] <StevenK> Mmmmm, breakfast
[01:21] <bac> thanks for coming.
[01:21] <bac> #endmeeting
[01:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:21.
[01:21] <StevenK> bac: And thank you, for chairing
[01:21] <bac> StevenK: i win, though.  i'm enjoying a cocktail
[01:22] <thumper> bac: what type
[01:22] <thumper> ?
[01:22] <StevenK> thumper: Isn't it too early to start drinking? :-P
[01:22] <bac> well, actually just a nice red wine ATM.  we accidentally opened a super expensive bottle that was a gift...
[01:22] <thumper> StevenK: it is after noon here :)
[01:22] <wallyworld_> doesn't matter does it, so long as it has a little umbrella and is green or pink?
[01:24] <bac> while i install maverick onto my new SSD...
[01:25] <wallyworld_> bac: you might need the wine then, if my upgrade experience is anything to go by
[01:25] <bac> wallyworld_: yeah, i suspect i'll be reinstalling the old drive before the night is over and taking this up again tomorrow
[01:26] <wallyworld_> i run kubuntu (i just can't like gnome at all) and it's almost ok now, but there's still some issues, hopefully sorted before 10.10.10
[01:27] <bac> wallyworld_: you know, you're very welcome to attend the reviewers meeting but you don't have to...until you become a reviewer.
[01:28] <wallyworld_> yeah, i know but it's a good chance for me to learn things, reading what others say and do etc, picking up tips. hope that's ok!
[01:32] <bac> so when i select "install ubuntu" from the live cd menu and it then goes to a black screen with a flashing cursor for a really long time...that's bad, right?
[01:32] <bac> and the cd stops spinning
[01:32] <wgrant> What sort of hardware?
[01:33] <wgrant> Oh, you're a MacBook, aren't you?
[01:33] <wallyworld_> i assume so - i upgraded mine using update manager
[01:34] <bac> wgrant: yeah
[01:34] <bac> wallyworld_: me too.  haven't installed from scratch in a really long time
[01:36] <wallyworld_> if it were windows you would have to do it every other month :-)
[01:41] <wgrant> Argh.
[01:41] <wgrant> Maverick got a new wallpaper this morning.
[01:41] <wgrant> It's, er... like Intrepid's, but even less appropriate as a wallpaper.
[01:43] <wallyworld_> wgrant: haven't seen the new one yet, what's wrong with it?
[01:43] <wgrant> wallyworld_: It has white.
[01:43] <wgrant> And it has black.
[01:43] <wgrant> And gradients between them.
[01:44] <wgrant> This is not good for a wallpaper, since it makes text unreadable on large parts of the screen.
[01:44] <wallyworld_> oh :-(
[01:44] <thumper> heh
[01:44] <thumper> wgrant: kind of a basic mistake you'd think
[01:44] <wgrant> It also has some odd rainbows in one corner.
[01:44] <lifeless> people want text on their desktop?
[01:44]  * lifeless sticks with doom3
[01:44] <thumper> lifeless: lots of people have things on their desktop
[01:45]  * mwhudson hasn't seen his desktop in weeks
[01:45] <wgrant> While the old one just looked like someone accidentally dropped some paint, this one looks like somebody took a jumble of prisms and arranged them maliciously.
[01:45] <wgrant> I only see it when I log in.
[01:45] <lifeless> thumper: I was trolling
[01:45] <wgrant> But it's still a shock.
[01:46] <wallyworld_> there's been some discussion on the internal email about a new default wallpaper, not sure if it's the same one as we are discussing now
[01:46] <lifeless> thumper: have you seen my desktop!
[01:46] <lifeless> yes
[01:46] <lifeless> it is
[01:46] <StevenK> Haha, malicious prisms
[01:46] <wgrant> StevenK: LOOK AT THE RAINBOW.
[01:46] <wallyworld_> i better go have another look at it then
[01:46] <StevenK> wgrant: Sorry, not qualified
[01:47] <wgrant> lifeless: So there's a thread on the one that isn't like Lucid's at all?
[01:47] <wgrant> Because the Lucid-like one caused an uproar as well.
[01:47] <wgrant> But this is different.
[01:49]  * StevenK notes with interest that wgrant the Stalker is back
[01:49] <wgrant> Heh.
[01:50] <wallyworld_> it looks like a film negative that has been exposed to a bit of extra light
[01:50] <wgrant> Indeed.
[01:51] <wallyworld_> oh wait, you young whipper snappers don't know about photographic film!
[01:51] <wallyworld_> when I was a lad.....
[01:51] <wallyworld_> we had cameras that took photos and you couldn't look at the back to see the photos