[00:02] hmm.. So I've just noticed that Evolution has a new "default" signature - Sent from Ubuntu.. [00:02] bah, free advert is the best advert ;) [00:03] kklimonda: oh, I like that [00:05] kklimonda, yes [00:05] just apt-get dist-upgraded [00:06] svu: do you have empathy installed? [00:07] kklimonda, yes [00:07] there is a bug 621507 reported about this issue but it was supposed to be fixed [00:07] Launchpad bug 621507 in GLib "glib-compile-schemas fails if override files refer to non-installed schemas" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621507 [00:07] oops. may be not [00:07] damn [00:09] kklimonda, installed epiphany. still no luck [00:09] empathy [00:29] fresh 10.10 install, dist-upgrade, hit a web page that wants flash, used the 'missing plug-in' thing to install whatever the top/default one is (I think it is the nonfree one) the "applying changes" dialog seems to have gone out to lunch. I can't move it, and dragging a term window over it leaves term window traces [00:29] ah, I see why [00:29] the "done' dialog came up behind it [00:41] Is 10.10 going to have Firefox 4.0? [00:41] RPG-Master, It's too late for that [00:42] Daekdroom: Crap. I figured... :/ [00:42] Was just curious. [00:42] RPG-Master, tomorrow is the final freeze. [00:43] Daekdroom: And Firefox is still beta :( [00:43] We shouldn't expect any API/ABI/bin updates after then [00:43] Precisely. [00:44] Watch FF 4 be released the same week. [00:46] quick question: how crashy is 10.10? [00:48] depends on what you're using, KDE and the other apps I'm using are prefectly stable here [00:49] its not [00:49] not had a crash yet [00:49] if you gonna do a full reinstall then wait 2-3 weeks til its officially released imo [00:49] my only prob is i cant get ubuntu one to work on it yet [00:50] only want it so my daughter can use the music store [00:50] i have it running in a VM right now [00:51] 10.10? [00:51] since it's currently not feasible for me to be dualbooting between OS's i'm just running it inside vmware workstation [00:51] yeah [00:51] it's updating atm [00:51] hey, 64bit flash is back :D [00:52] I have xp on this one but can't remember the last time time I booted it [00:52] haha [00:52] my i7 loves VM's :D [00:52] just..it doesn't love the memory usage :p [00:53] I found out years ago that I could easily live without all the windows only bits [00:53] i like to game [00:53] and other things [00:53] i'm far too used to windows to switch completely [00:54] I play a bit of wow and thats it [00:54] wow bores me [00:55] yay! [00:55] used to enjoy it but they made it too easy to help the casuals [00:55] 64 bit flash for linux again! [00:55] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ [00:55] I have quit til new expansion [00:55] "64-bit support — Native support for 64-bit operating systems and 64-bit web browsers on Linux, Mac OS, and Windows." [00:55] ooh nice [00:55] Does that mean Maverick reenables it? [00:55] * yofel just said that and got ignored :( [00:55] I'd so far skipped on using the wrapped version [00:55] yofel :( [00:55] yofel: heh. you weren't excited enough? [00:55] probably :D [00:56] Hm. [00:56] I was going to install the 32 bit one [00:56] I guess I could install the 64 bit one in ~/.mozilla/plugins [00:56] works fine so far in firefox 3.6 [00:56] then remove it once it is available [00:56] yofel: install FF4 man! it is all kinds of fun! [00:56] that's what I did [00:56] ehh [00:56] i dislike FF4 [00:56] why?? [00:56] nemo: I have it installed, but it doesn't support all the addons I'm used to yet :P [00:56] it's just..weird [00:57] ah [00:57] whats 64 bit like these days? [00:57] yofel: addons are an issue - but I only care about noscript and firebug [00:57] and those 2 are supported [00:57] SoulShadow: that's vague :-p [00:57] dunno, i can't compile android with 64bit, so i can't use it [00:57] I was too scared to take the 64 bit option last install so went x86 [00:58] only just come back to ubuntu as the wife moaned too much about slackware [00:58] gotta love when it sais 9 installed are no longer supported [00:59] and so starts the upgrade :D [00:59] Aphex: heh. slack and gentoo ain't bad, but ubuntu has grown on me [00:59] so much stuff just works, yet I usually can still customise and build what I want [00:59] plus it has style [00:59] heh, well, it works fine here, except for minor annoyances like flash and I would image that wine could cause issues, but for what I need 64bit works fine. it's lost a bit of importance since we got the -PAE kernel though [00:59] between you and me im glad to be back on ubuntu [00:59] just dont tell the wife :-p [01:00] WB! :D [01:00] god [01:00] Aphex: gentoo has been relegated to the servers at my home - well, the servers and my P133 notebook [01:00] Aphex: w/ a whopping 96MiB of ram :) [01:00] i just booted my XP VM [01:00] lmao [01:00] Aphex: that one runs a severely stripped down gentoo w/ xfce4 for the desktop [01:00] i kinda like XFCE [01:00] Aphex: after ssh + nfs + xfce4 + seamonkey, I have about 15MiB left for use :) [01:01] w/o using swap! \o/ [01:01] i don't think my computer is happy [01:01] with my vm ram usage [01:01] 73% lol [01:01] lol [01:02] surprise: chrome is using 600MB [01:02] still haven't tried chrome [01:02] i love chrome [01:02] just not the mem usage [01:03] heard good and bad things and firefox does the job for me [01:03] Aphex: the graphics accel for FF4 does awesome stuff on my machine. [01:03] well. most of 'em. [01:03] one it does not work on at all :-/ [01:03] hopefully they'll get that fixed [01:03] why's paste not working [01:04] i can't paste between host and VM >< [01:04] SoulShadow: virtualbox? [01:04] vmware [01:04] oh [01:04] bleah [01:04] didn't even realise ff4 was out [01:04] * nemo ♥ virtualbox [01:04] Aphex: still beta [01:06] * SoulShadow murders his xp vm [01:06] So, does sun-java6 not appear in the 'Partner' repo anymore? [01:08] it's not uploaded yet [01:08] does mint menu work? [01:08] in 10.10 [01:10] So...I have to wait, 'eh? [01:10] or use package from 10.04 [01:10] SoulShadow: You'd have to check with Mint support [01:10] !mint [01:10] Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [01:11] * SoulShadow eyerolls [01:11] it's a package [01:11] available to install for any debian-based distribution [01:11] it's also not supported here. [01:11] okay, i just asked if anyone had it working, was all [01:11] I suppose ask the package maintainer [01:11] * h00k shrugs [01:11] meh it's a vm, i'll give it a shot [01:17] now if only I could get sound to work on my new 10.10 install [01:17] I'd be happy [01:17] kklimonda says it is 'cause the alsa kernel module is still not available for my version of kernel [01:17] had that on my mums pc nemo [01:17] I checked on boot, it seems the version in synaptic is exactly between the two kernel versions I have available [01:17] just ran sound test and somehow it fixed it [01:18] hm [01:18] I tried that [01:21] nemo: nah, I'm saying that alsa in 10.10 may be too old to properly support your hardware. [01:21] oh :( [01:21] kklimonda: I've been waiting hoping for that backports version to update [01:22] nemo: you can, in the meantime, test ~ubuntu-audio-dev ppa [01:22] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05) [01:23] nemo have you got the nightly repositories? [01:23] I'm not familiar with sound at all - all I can help with is give you some more options to check. [01:23] Aphex: no? :) [01:23] Aphex: just tell me what to do and I shall do it! [01:24] first thing being to add ubuntu-audo-dev ppa [01:24] righto [01:24] no more sun-java6? [01:24] Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. [01:24] However the following packages replace it: sun-java6-demo [01:25] I've got partner repo's enabled [01:25] ttp://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu. [01:25] oops wrong one [01:25] brb [01:27] Ian_corne: not there for mav yet [01:27] ok, *sad panda* [01:27] Guess openjdk will have to do for minecraft :) [01:28] fingerprint gui is awesome [01:28] that guy rocks for having created that [01:28] hi, can somebody please give me a link to catalyst (fglrx) 10.10 beta for ubuntu 10.10? It should be called fglrx-installer i gues... [01:31] kklimonda: you know, I was watching startup this time... [01:31] aaaand, just occurred to me my lack of sound could be related to the kernel oops on startup :-/ [01:33] probably is [01:34] hm. now where would that terminal spam on startup be kept [01:34] nemo: you can use dmesg to get the log from startup where oops should be located [01:34] 'cause I'm not finding it in dmesg or syslog [01:34] kklimonda: no oops :) [01:34] oh [01:34] just doesn't *say* oops [01:34] says "Oops" [01:34] and I fail at case insensitive [01:38] http://m8y.org/tmp/dmesg.txt if anyone cares to speculate on the error, my attempts at searching for a matching call trace are so far fruitless. [01:41] er. that should have gone into channel [01:41] bug #632430 in launchpad seems same [01:41] Launchpad bug 632430 in linux (Ubuntu) "ips-adjust - BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632430 [01:41] similar laptop model to mine [01:44] looks the same [01:47] nemo: unless it's the *exact* same laptop with the same hardware, chipset and firmware versions, file a new bug [01:47] kernel team policy [01:47] yofel: hardware seems identical, laptop is very close [01:48] Isn't the trace towards the bottom of dmesg, [ 11.851246] Call Trace: ?? [01:49] charlie-tca: hm? [01:49] charlie-tca: I did note I found it once I searched for the right thing, right? :) [01:51] Wellll, not unless I missed it after : [01:51] http://m8y.org/tmp/dmesg.txt if anyone cares to speculate on the error, my attempts at searching for a matching call trace are so far fruitless. [01:52] seems identical means file a new bug. If the hardware is different even by version number, it might need a different fix [01:53] charlie-tca: I meant a matching one on google [01:53] then I found one :) [01:53] You can give the bug number in your report [01:53] but. fine... [01:53] will do that later, since I'm already running really really late on getting home [01:53] kernel team would prefer to call it the same on their own, truth be told. [01:54] charlie-tca: the hardware doesn't seem different though - just the model # [01:54] That's enough to be different [01:54] I expect it is identical HW in a different shell and w/ slightly tweaked something or other [01:54] fine w/ me [01:54] more bugs means more attention [01:54] Just reference this bug for them [01:54] They can then verify if it matches for the fix [02:44] I had both E16gnome and Ubuntu Standard Desktop (or similar) as gdm choices. For the first time, I chose E16gnome. I didn't like the window decorations. I went back to the other choice, and somehow got the same grey decorations. I uninstalled E16, and now gnome starts without decorations at all and I have to open a terminal (metacity --replace &) but that's irritating and I had effects on (I believe). Have I misunderstood wh [02:44] at's going on? [02:47] I just reenabled effects (I forgot I just chose a different driver too...) I'll log and try again. sorry to possible have wasted time [02:48] u can save effect settings [02:52] /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager [02:52] /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager is the gconf key if I understand [02:52] oh. he left [02:52] n/m [02:58] hello all [02:59] I am having problems upgrading ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 [02:59] Well I decided to update to 10.10 via Distribution Upgrade and the installer is stuck with 10 mins to go [03:00] Says installed xserver-xorg-input-mouse [03:00] and just sits there... [03:00] for about 1 hr now [03:01] any ideas? [03:03] ... [03:04] Kendalja: hey [03:04] hello [03:04] Kendalja: is there anything in details? [03:04] normally "stuck" means "waiting for user interaction" [03:04] like a config file changed [03:04] and they want you to approve the mods [03:04] well I cant see the bottom of the install window [03:04] wow. [03:04] your resolution is that low [03:04] ? [03:04] no I am on a netbook [03:04] alt left click on the install window [03:04] err, unity? [03:04] to forcibly drag it up [03:05] sweet [03:05] Kendalja, > you'd be best getting the iso onto a disk and installing.. from my disk i still had to do a partial upgrade.. So with a full upgrade it would be even dodgier.. [03:06] says installing new version of config file /etc/logrotate.d/samba ... [03:06] then thats it [03:07] not moving at all? [03:08] nopers [03:08] sucks' [03:10] do u have any disk u can use to put the iso on? [03:11] I am getting the netbook iso now [03:11] all I have is USB stick [03:11] is that ok [03:11] ? [03:12] yea,, u can get a usb creator,, then put it on [03:12] i had netbooks.. buh sure [03:12] have u tried the chrome O.S yet? its great for netbooks [03:13] no I havent [03:13] Kendalja: If you haven't closed the upgrade window yet, hold alt to click and drag the window with the mouse to where you can see the bottom of it. [03:13] try that,, or Jolicloud.. best for netbooks [03:13] I did that Jordan_U [03:15] Kendalja: Try clicking within the terminal output area and pressing enter. [03:16] did that also [03:16] just creates space [03:16] Kendalja: Try ctrl+c [03:16] that wants to close it [03:17] it says it will abort the operation [03:18] Kendalja: If nothing has happened for a long time then it may be the best that you can do (hopefully afterward the other operations will continue). What is the exact text of the error message? [03:18] says installing new version of config file /etc/logrotate.d/samba ... [03:18] trojan_spike, Is JoliCloud ready yet? [03:18] is jolicloud linux? [03:18] yes [03:19] yea,, Jolicloud is ready for use [03:19] google chrome O.S has gone public too [03:19] trojan_spike, which Ubuntu release is it based on? [03:19] Joli that is [03:19] you have to build chromium though [03:20] ubuntu remix [03:20] which [03:20] :) [03:20] im trying to think.. i remember hearing it [03:20] have you guys used chromium or joli? [03:21] Kendalja, Yeah I have used chromium OS [03:21] fast? [03:21] its not really ready [03:21] yeah its fast [03:21] Haiku is nice too [03:21] it got good reviews [03:22] Haiku has a great feel to it also [03:22] blazing fast [03:23] is there a fix for the cpu usage by xorg [03:25] Mozilla prisim and ubuntu remix << Jolicloud [03:25] prism [03:25] they use a custom netbook launcher [03:27] I am enjoying a highly customised Ubuntu Lucid netbook at the moment [03:29] lucid? [03:29] yes [03:29] I think I will try those os' you mentioned [03:29] can I use irc and stuff on them? [03:30] of course [03:30] run anything linux based..? [03:30] huh> [03:30] ? [03:30] I mean if I wanted to dl an app do i just dl a linux version [03:31] for the os [03:31] Preferably use that systems package manager if any before downloading packages [03:31] would not want to end up in dependency hell [03:31] ok [03:32] which OS would you recommend I start with? [03:32] also HaikuOS is not linux based [03:32] Kendalja, for a netbook> [03:32] ? [03:32] yep [03:32] I am getting Jolicloud now [03:32] Ubuntu 10.04 netbook edition [03:32] :) [03:32] and that also [03:32] well 10.10 [03:32] 10.10 aint ready yet [03:33] plus 10.04 is an LTS release [03:34] lts? [03:34] !lts [03:34] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [03:35] jolicloud looks nice [03:35] yeah it is pretty [03:35] it will run linix apps? [03:35] Kendalja, yes [03:35] its ubuntu based [03:35] ahh [03:35] shares the same repositories [03:36] so why is it better than ubuntu 10.04 netbook? [03:36] or not... [03:36] I did not say it was [03:38] well in your opinion which is better? [03:38] Well I have not tried Jolicloud for a while now and when I had it was in a VM [03:39] I thought it was nice but I still love ubuntu [03:39] You should really try for yourself and make your own decision [03:39] !better [03:39] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [03:39] :-) [03:45] when i change user with sux, i can't run any gtk apps (they crash with "Aborted (core dumped)"), but other apps work fine. i've had the problem for about a week. [03:46] Hey qwm have you tried throwing cabbage at it? === shcherba1 is now known as shcherbak [04:12] anybody tried this Square evil 64 bit from Adobe ? [04:16] Volkodav: works fine here in firefox 3.6 [04:17] yofel: did you uninstall both the player and the wrapper before installing a new one ? [04:18] I did run apt-get purge flashplugin-installer, but rather because I don't need them anymore than that they caused problems [04:19] i removed the nswrapper what it is called too just in case [04:19] the wrapper is still installed, but doesn't seem to be used [04:19] * yofel purges that too [04:27] hmm works ok so far trying in opera 10.7 [04:30] cpu usage is still out there [04:31] like it always does this monster [04:46] you don't need to remove nspluginwrapper; just removing the [links to] system-wide libflashplugin.so and installing the native-arch one will suffice [04:47] the former is easily accomplished via purging flashplugin-installer, as yofel alluded to [04:59] do switchable graphics work in ubuntu? [06:18] How can I persuade Audacious to keep in mind the URL http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/entercom/player/?id=KDFC and play it when pressing a key combination? === izdubar is now known as MarkDude [07:55] Hey guys. I found a strange bug. I use a netbook with broadcom Wifi and it realy works good. But now the problem. When I'm in Batterie mode ( even if the batterie is very very full ) my Wifi speed is like 3,4kb/s ... it takes 5 minutes to load google.com. In Lucid I dont have any problems. Well when I put in my Charger, the Wifi connection speeds up to normal speed. I dont have to reboot, no reconnect. I just put it in and its fast as normal. [07:55] When I put it out again, the connection slows down. Can you confirm it? Or even help me? [07:57] Wubbbi, - what type of machine? [08:03] MarkDude: Netbook [08:05] MarkDude: Netbook ( Intel ) [08:06] So an atom then? [08:06] yes [08:07] MarkDude: any ideas? [08:07] Cause I cant be in Charge-Mode always. My Battrie will be destroyed. I also wanna move arround etc. [08:08] Odd, when you said that^^ I unplugged mine and it killed updating [08:09] apparently it cant do the right speed for updates on mine - wheter unplugged or not [08:09] * MarkDude cant reproduce [08:10] MarkDude: uff ... -_- thats not good [08:10] Looking at my logfiles [08:23] sorry Wubbbi - I need to sort out what I just did [08:23] your issue is prolly related to acpi [08:23] Or some power issue is my guess [08:24] MarkDude: ok so what do I have to do now`? [08:24] Check and make sure there is no crash log in var/log [08:27] MarkDude: I found a pm-powersave.log ... there are interessting Lines. Do you wanna have? [08:27] sure [08:29] hey, is there a working ATI catalyst driver in maverick? [08:29] MarkDude: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398951/ here ... just look at line 142 for example. Sounds strange [08:32] MarkDude: Is it possible to turn off the powersave mode? May I gonna test it. [08:32] seems to be an issue with it === tankdriver is now known as tankdriver_ === tankdriver_ is now known as tankdriver [08:35] Yes there is [08:35] MarkDude: found something? ( like a bug? ) [08:35] right click on your upper panel [08:36] Add to Panel [08:36] *inhibit applet* [08:36] put that on your panel [08:36] MarkDude: ok [08:36] it will stop it from getting sleepy, unlike myself [08:37] * MarkDude wishes he had something to prevent sleepmode [08:37] It is only a workaround (if it works) [08:37] MarkDude: Ahhh ... xD do you know the german word of the Applet? I cant find it ^^ [08:38] Ill screenshot it for you [08:38] thx ^^ [08:39] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10527806/Screenshot-Add%20to%20Panel.png [08:40] Its where my mouse is [08:40] MarkDude: ahhh ok [08:40] I did ... now do I have to configure something? [08:40] It looks like the restricted drivers icon [08:41] left click will keep it from sleeping [08:41] one more click will let it sleep [08:41] MarkDude: Its workd ;D [08:41] thank you. [08:41] Cool [08:42] May we just fix the bug now, cause its just a workaround xD [08:42] Of course Wubbbi [08:42] stupid powersave ... ruined my day xD [08:43] The bug will prolly get fixed, my guess is that its looking at a file that is blank [08:43] Well MarkDude as I come from germany ... and its is morning here ... I have to go to work now. I'lll be here later. Can you create to bug report? I realy have to go now ^^ [08:45] * MarkDude is almost asleep Wubbbi [08:45]