[00:00] <yofel> outstanding owl
[00:01] <yofel> lol, that would certainly count as an odd creature
[00:01] <bcurtiswx> Perpetual Platypus
[00:01] <bcurtiswx> you heard it here first folks
[00:01] <bcurtiswx> lol
[00:02] <nigelb> bcurtiswx: how can you have a linux release and P without penguins :)
[00:02] <bcurtiswx> nigelb, everyone expects that..
[00:02] <bcurtiswx> mark isn't a typical person..
[00:02] <nigelb> hm, agreed on both counts
[00:22] <nigelb> ok, so bug watcher mails seem to be in full flow now :D
[00:45] <bcurtiswx> OMG apport is spamming my inbox.. lol
[01:31] <nigelb> I just discovered, those bugs with 100 or so subscribes and lots of comments
[01:31] <nigelb> Those guys are going to be really pissed off today :p
[05:49] <abhijit> hello all
[05:49] <abhijit> the window where we select our username and type password after switching on ubuntu. what its called? i need submit bug for it
[05:49] <abhijit> help????
[05:51] <abhijit> can i do ubuntu-bug ubuntu?
[05:51] <abhijit> :D
[05:51] <abhijit> Package ubuntu does not exists!!!
[05:52] <abhijit> vish, ping
[05:54] <abhijit> kermiac, ping
[05:55] <rusivi> Hello, I just did a native Maverick Beta install and mid-install it offered to download updates during the install, instructed me to choose my wireless network but no networks were shown (plenty were in the area and the switch was on :P ) what do I bug against ubuntu-bug ubuntu?
[05:58] <kermiac> abhijit: yes?
[05:58] <abhijit> kermiac, the window where we select our username and type password after switching on ubuntu. what its called? i need submit bug for it
[05:59] <kermiac> abhijit: gdm
[05:59] <abhijit> kermiac, ok. thanks mate
[05:59] <kermiac> np abhijit :)
[05:59] <abhijit> now sumiting. :)
[05:59] <abhijit> submitting*
[06:00] <micahg> rusivi: try the wireless-backports package
[06:00] <rusivi> micahg: ty
[06:01] <rusivi> micahg: none of those are installed on my system atm nor did I uninstall...
[06:01] <rusivi> micahg: seems Network-Manager?!
[06:02] <micahg> rusivi: I'm saying you may need to install it to get the wireless working
[06:02] <rusivi> micahg: my wireless is working fine post install
[06:02] <rusivi> micahg: it did not during, and it offered me to seemlessly download updates after installing but when it asked me to choose a network no networks were displayed
[06:03] <rusivi> micahg: and my wifi switch was in the on status and the light was on
[06:03] <micahg> rusivi: right, but after install it worked w/out installing anything?
[06:03] <rusivi> micahg: and an ethernet cable was not plugged in :P
[06:03] <micahg> ok, ubuntu-bug linux I guess
[06:03] <rusivi> micahg: k ty!
[06:06] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/640184
[06:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640184 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdm hangs randomely (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:09] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arora/+bug/637965
[06:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637965 in arora (Ubuntu) "shortcut for ibus is not working in arora (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:09] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/celestia/+bug/639689
[06:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 639689 in celestia (Ubuntu) "Celestia-gnome is laggy in ubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:09] <micahg> abhijit: why are you pasting these?
[06:09] <abhijit> micahg, hey waigt
[06:09] <abhijit> wait
[06:10] <abhijit> micahg, i want to request someone to triage these bugs
[06:10] <abhijit> micahg, its so many days now no one looked at them
[06:10] <micahg> abhijit: ah
[06:10] <abhijit> micahg, what happen?
[06:10] <micahg> abhijit: what do you mean
[06:11] <abhijit> micahg, 'ah'?
[06:11] <micahg> abhijit: as in, that explains it
[06:11] <abhijit> ok
[06:11] <abhijit> someone here to triage these bugs? hello?
[06:14] <micahg> !patience | abhijit
[06:14] <ubot2> abhijit: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com
[06:14] <abhijit> ok
[06:14] <micahg> abhijit: it's the calm time
[06:14] <abhijit> ohh ! :) ok np
[09:17] <ara> happy bug day
[10:25] <vish> oh! nice trick... dont get a bug fixed in 2days.. email Mark about it! ;p
[11:47] <persia> I've wishlisted my own bug #640367, and wondered if someone could confirm it for me.
[11:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640367 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Manpages questionably indexed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640367
[11:57] <rusivi> persia: I'll confirm that
[11:57] <rusivi> persia: done
[11:59] <rusivi> What do we do about bug 128165 being spammed by poster Iperbit?
[11:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 128165 in netcfg (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Installation of Network put a wrong DNS, crashing the Installation (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128165
[11:59] <vish> rusivi: what was the basis for the confirmed ? :)
[12:01] <persia> rusivi, Thanks :)
[12:01] <rusivi> vish: b/c I confirmed what persia was talking about. Would you like me to document in the comments?
[12:01]  * persia doesn't see the point of documenting confirmation in comments when it's obvious
[12:01] <rusivi> I will if you like no big deal
[12:01] <vish> rusivi: ah ok.. you did check the man pages..
[12:02] <rusivi> vish: yes
[12:02] <rusivi> vish: I ACTUALLY confirmed it, not just marked it confirmed without checking :D
[12:02] <rusivi> hehe
[12:02] <vish> rusivi: nah.. there have been a few new triagers who dont check bugs in their install , just just making sure ;)
[12:02] <rusivi> vish: no I'm glad to be held accountable!
[12:03] <rusivi> vish: accountability = integrity
[12:03] <persia> Indeed
[12:04] <persia> rusivi, re: 128165 : the most we can do is report it in #launchpad
[12:04] <persia> The usual thing is that it ends up being a launchpad question, and someone tries to clean up.
[12:04] <vish> rusivi: neat! there have been a few who are too eager just confirming bugs while not even using ubuntu.. sometimes people are too helpful ;)
[12:04] <persia> very abusive users sometimes end up with their accounts disabled temporarily (with the time depending on their willingness to contact the admins)
[12:06] <vish> rusivi: translation == that wasnt to not-pick on you.. ;)
[12:06] <vish> nit-pick*
[12:06] <rusivi> vish: please pick on me, I'm fine with it!
[12:07] <rusivi> persia: yeah I got maimed, flamed, and blamed b/c I asked an update request to a bug that was 2 years since last comment. Granted it was triaged and medium... I stopped that but I should not be ridiculed for an innocuous inquiry.
[12:07] <persia> It is critically important to be precise, and ensure we discuss the details: that said, we always take care to avoid giving each other the impression that the discussion is personal.
[12:08] <persia> rusivi, Context issue: I was talking about lperbit, not you
[12:08] <rusivi> persia: I mentioned in bug about the CoC so far as I'm concerned it's squashed.
[12:09] <persia> decent start: if it continues, escalate as indicated above.
[12:09] <persia> If it stops, all is good.
[12:09] <vish> looks like lperbit has been deactivated
[12:10] <rusivi> vish: ty for checking
[12:10] <rusivi> vish: is that something I could have checked for myself?
[12:10] <vish> rusivi: you can check too , just click on the icon for the user and you are taken to their account
[12:11] <vish> rusivi: also the icon will be grey is account is deactivated
[12:11] <vish> s/is/if/
[12:13] <rusivi> vish: k ty
[12:16] <rusivi> Anyone have suggestion on when I was downloading Maverick Ubuntu & Kubuntu the progress mid download stops but no indication download failed is a bug in firefox client or server side?
[12:17] <rusivi> Quick followup, I can get it to resume just by pressing pause then resume.
[12:17] <rusivi> trivial but buggable?
[12:18] <persia> To troubleshoot that, maybe try using wireshark, or comparing with other clients?  That's not near enough description to even guess at the cause (or responsible package)
[12:22] <bilalakhtar> persia: Could you please add me to -sponsors?
[12:22] <persia> bilalakhtar, Sure.
[12:27] <persia> bilalakhtar, Seems I can't, for some reason.
[12:27] <bilalakhtar> persia: why?
[12:27] <persia> I no longer seem to be a member.
[12:27] <bilalakhtar> ???
[12:28] <bilalakhtar> oops!
[12:28] <bilalakhtar> no problem
[12:28] <persia> That's what I thought :)
[12:28] <bilalakhtar> persia: its not your fault :) I understand
[12:28]  * bilalakhtar can't find Emmet Hikory in the list
[12:29] <persia> neither can I, hence the confusion
[13:14] <vish> ooh! just noticed that persia made a passing comment and it was meant for me! :D  persia i just like to add the info i get and its saves me not being asked "what is the message do you get?" ;)
[13:15] <persia> vish, I can understand that viewpoint, which is why I don't argue against it more.  I find the bugmail containing that annoying, except when the confirmation was with an interestingly different system (and that interesting difference is noted in the comment)
[13:15] <persia> Easy enough to ignore the comment in the bug log otherwise
[13:15] <vish> persia: actually i dint notice rusivi's confirm until i confirmed it :)
[13:16] <vish> else wouldnt have commented..
[13:17] <vish> persia: we really should implement the mid air clash from bugzilla ;)
[13:17] <persia> There's reasons why bugs aren't kept live.
[13:17] <persia> Personally, I prefer them not to be live.
[13:17] <persia> It never hurts to have two people try to set "Confirmed"
[13:18] <persia> But it's a vast waste of bandwidth and CPU power to keep the bugs I have open in my browser active when I'm not looking at them
[13:18] <vish> persia: well , it did annoy someone though ;)
[13:19] <persia> How?
[13:19] <vish> persia: oh , i thought you were annoyed.. :)
[13:19] <vish> if not \o/
[13:19] <persia> No.  I'm good at ignoring mail :)
[13:20] <persia> Mind you, I'd like to be less good at it, because I know there's signal in the noise, but that's a different issue.
[13:20]  * vish note to self dont confirm persia's bugs ;p
[13:20] <persia> Don't worry about it.
[13:20] <persia> Not worth a note.
[13:20] <vish> :)
[13:21] <persia> Anyway, "my" bugs tend to be filed by other folks, and just of interest to me, so hard to identify, moreso as I'm often not subscribed (to cut down on bugmail)
[13:29] <vish> bug watch exception should have been made for fixed bugs :(
[13:29] <vish> every bug old and new , fixed or not , is getting a priority spamm..
[13:32] <rusivi> Can someone please look at bug 98388, I looked at all the different Overviews and none of them explain what Zope is nor offer the opportunity to ask a question against it...
[13:32] <persia> :(
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 98388 in zope3/3.4 (and 3 other projects) "missing __iro__ in interface" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98388
[13:33] <persia> rusivi, Better to ask the zope folk: that's not even our bug.
[13:33] <rusivi> persia: k np
[13:33] <persia> Looks sorted though
[14:13] <hakzsam> Hi everyone, I need some help
[14:14] <hakzsam> I fixed a bug in rhythmbox from launchpad, but I don't understand how to write changes in debian/changelog, could you explain me, please ? I read this howto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix, but I don't understand the step #5, ("Make sure you mention the bug...")
[14:16] <shadeslayer> hakzsam: ok its like * foo (LP: #bugno)
[14:19] <hakzsam> shadeslayer: ok, but looks the last change in debian/changelog (rhythmbox) here : http://pastebin.com/82BD8nf7, could you give me an example, please ? I fixed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox/+bug/401483
[14:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 401483 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "the party mode doesn't allow to double click on a song (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Triaged]
[14:19] <shadeslayer> hakzsam: changelog needs more description
[14:20] <shadeslayer> do something like : * Added 22_hide_on_quit.patch (LP: 401483)
[14:20] <shadeslayer> and then a - <More Description>
[14:21] <hakzsam> ok, thanks
[14:22] <shadeslayer> np
[14:24] <zeroseven0183> Hi people. Question
[14:24] <zeroseven0183> How do you treat a bug report that has spam comment?
[14:24] <zeroseven0183> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/+bug/131236
[14:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 131236 in debconf (Ubuntu) "frontend crashed with SIGSEGV in abort() (dups: 5) (heat: 125)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[14:24] <zeroseven0183> comment #14
[14:25] <zeroseven0183> One concerned bug triager reported this in the Launchpad Answers section.
[14:25] <zeroseven0183> And he's here in the channel :-(
[14:25] <zeroseven0183> I believe
[14:27] <shadeslayer> zeroseven0183: id say that is a mistake on https://edge.launchpad.net/~brokenthorn part
[14:27] <shadeslayer> he might have accidently mailed it
[14:27] <hakzsam> how to revert a commit with bazaar, please ?
[14:28] <zeroseven0183> shadeslayer: I think so too :-)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> hakzsam: already pushed?
[14:29] <hakzsam> I don't know, I used 'debcommit'
[14:30] <persia> That's a commit: it's only a push if the branch is bound.
[14:30] <persia> Asking in #bzr might get more useful responses
[14:30] <shadeslayer> hakzsam: you can use bzr revert i
[14:30] <shadeslayer> or wait
[14:30] <shadeslayer> its bzr uncommit
[14:31]  * shadeslayer keeps mixing git and bzr
[14:32] <hakzsam> thanks :)
[14:34] <abhijit> hello
[14:34] <abhijit> anyone can mark this bug as wishlist?
[14:34] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/getdeb.net/+bug/640498
[14:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640498 in getdeb.net "f-spot needed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:35] <shadeslayer> abhijit: sure
[14:35] <abhijit> shadeslayer, :D
[14:36] <shadeslayer> brrr
[14:36]  * shadeslayer doesnt have rights to do that
[14:36] <shadeslayer> which is werid
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ***weird
[14:36] <abhijit> ohhhhhhh
[14:36] <jibel> abhijit, this is not an Ubuntu bug
[14:37] <abhijit> jibel, i know. its get deb wishlist.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> oic thats why
[14:37] <abhijit> :P
[14:45] <hakzsam> how to generate a patch with bazaar ? sorry for the inconvenience, but I know git, svn but not bazaar
[14:46] <hakzsam> perhaps, bzr diff > my_patch.patch ?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:51] <hakzsam> shadeslayer: just to be sure, I wrote a description in debian/changelog, then run 'bzr diff > debian/patches/my_patch.patch' and debcommit, it's okay for the steps ?
[14:52] <hakzsam> and I'm going to push the branch in launchpad
[14:52] <shadeslayer> hakzsam: looks ok, but ive never used debcommit
[14:52] <shadeslayer> gtg
[14:53] <hakzsam> shadeslayer: mhh, do you use bzr commit -m "..." ?
[14:53] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:53] <hakzsam> ok
[14:54] <hakzsam> I'm a new contributor, it's not trivial at the start...
[15:01] <hakzsam> shadeslayer: ok, I pushed my branch on launchpad, and now I must to click on 'Propose for merging', right ?
[15:05] <pedro_> i'm starting to hate the bug watch updater...
[15:05] <pedro_> got like 13000 new emails
[15:09] <hakzsam> okay, I fixed my first bug in ubuntu, I'm happy :)
[15:10] <pedro_> congrats hakzsam :-)
[15:10] <vish> hakzsam: well done!
[15:10] <pedro_> hola vish
[15:10] <hakzsam> thanks
[15:11] <rusivi> Can someone view bug 640528 for wishlist status?
[15:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640528 in launchpad-gm-scripts "firefox-lp-improvements confirmation of +reload+ (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640528
[15:11] <vish> pedro_: hey , bug watcher is checking the importance for fix released bugs , why ? or why? make it stop ! :(
[15:11] <pedro_> vish, :-(
[15:11] <pedro_> vish, got 13000 emails since yesterday
[15:12] <nigelb> pedro_: ok, you're much much worse than us :p
[15:12] <pedro_> nigelb, vish i can forward all those to you though ;-)
[15:12]  * nigelb got only 250 to 300 (so far)
[15:12] <nigelb> pedro_: I'll pass
[15:12] <pedro_> so we can share the pain
[15:12] <vish> gah! , looks for knife!
[15:12] <pedro_> oh come on
[15:12] <pedro_> haha
[15:12] <pedro_> moi hggdh
[15:12] <pedro_> hggdh, feeling the pain with the bug watch updater?
[15:12] <hggdh> moi pedro_
[15:12] <hggdh> :-)
[15:13] <vish> seriously , it is a bug in the bug watcher , it should _not_ look at fix released bugs.
[15:13] <jpds> moi? quoi?
[15:13] <hggdh> just a few batches with a few hundreds emails ;-)
[15:13] <hggdh> toi?
[15:13] <hggdh> jpds: moi is 'good morning' in Pomerodin, a dialect of German
[15:14] <jpds> Oh, I thought you were speaking French.
[15:14] <pedro_> I'd pay for see seb128 face when checking his email ;-)
[15:14] <nigelb> pedro_: me too :p
[15:14] <nigelb> especially when he's back from vacation
[15:14] <hggdh> Pomerode is a town in southtern Brazil, mostly colonised by germans
[15:14] <pedro_> i'm laughing already haha
[15:14] <pedro_> nigelb, yeah ! hah
[15:14] <nigelb> pedro_: did we ever tell hggdh the secret?
[15:15]  * hggdh feels the pain...
[15:17] <pedro_> nigelb, course not! that's why it's a secret
[15:23] <pedro_> this isn't fair, just checked out my email again, 1500 new bug mail
[15:23] <pedro_> :-(
[15:30] <charlie-tca> BugDay for Brasero! Everybody is welcome to help out if possible - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100916
[15:30] <shadeslayer> hakzsam: yes
[15:31] <hakzsam> yes, it's done, my branch has a merge proposal
[15:33] <shadeslayer> oh great :D
[15:41] <nigelb> pedro_: #blame-bdmurray and #blame-bryceh :p
[15:45] <bdmurray> not it - its really bryce
[15:47] <nigelb> We're just being on the safe side :)
[16:00] <hggdh> rusivi: please do not change status on tasks or bugs not for Ubuntu -- like Madriva
[16:01] <hggdh> rusivi: also please subscribe to bugs you ask questions on
[16:02] <rusivi> hggdh: sorry which question did I not subscribe to?
[16:02] <rusivi> hggdh: which bug regarding Mandriva?
[16:03] <vish> hehe! everyone is whining about the bug mail and jolly charlie-tca is worried about bug day ;p
[16:03] <hggdh> rusivi: bug 53388
[16:03] <vish> charlie-tca: didnt you get spammed?!!!!
[16:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 53388 in coreutils (Mandriva) (and 3 other projects) "du reports existing files as missing (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53388
[16:05] <rusivi> hggdh: regarding that bug, it seemed very appropriate to ask the reporter to report to Mandriva w/ his Mandriva bug, especially since the issue seemed resolved
[16:05] <rusivi> hggdh: seemed resolved = bug already marked fixed in Ubuntu before I looked at it
[16:06] <rusivi> hggdh: still no change on bug status for that bug at least?
[16:07] <pedro_> rusivi, doesn't make sense to triage bugs that are from Mandriva in LP
[16:07] <pedro_> rusivi, i think that's the point hggdh is trying to make here
[16:07] <pedro_> rusivi, we triage Ubuntu bugs in LP so may you please keep it that way?
[16:08] <rusivi> pedro_: sorry I did not make that connection. I won't touch upstream links if it causes so much consternation :)
[16:09] <pedro_> rusivi, Thank you
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I was kind of happy to see bugzilla finally giving us anything!
[16:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: we've been getting status from bugzilla for almost a year
[16:11] <charlie-tca> hmm, well, my gnumeric bugs just updated
[16:11] <charlie-tca> status and importance both, and that is bugzilla
[16:12] <pedro_> charlie-tca, status was working sort of fine with Gnome's Bugzilla but the importance wasn't
[16:12] <vish> pedro_:  <vish> bryceh: have mercy on us! bug watcher is on a rampage.. :(  it is checking status for old fix released bugs too
[16:12] <vish> join me :D
[16:12] <pedro_> now it's updating both for every bug there
[16:12] <charlie-tca> status for gnumeric wasn't updating
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Please work on BUGDAY instead of whining. It is much more productive
[16:13] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:13] <pedro_> vish ^
[16:13] <pedro_> ;-)
[16:13] <vish> no!!!!!!!!!
[16:13] <vish> i wannaaa cry!
[16:13] <vish> ;p
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Well, maybe cry first, then work on BugDay ;-)
[16:13] <pedro_> lol
[16:13] <pedro_> reboot brb
[16:18]  * vish pff! sulks and goes bug day hunting!  hope someone is happy! 
[16:18] <vish> ;)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:28] <hggdh> rusivi: it is not consternation, it is not messing with what we do not have the right to mess. We have rights to Ubuntu bugs (or tasks). Anything else is not ours
[16:28] <charlie-tca> pedro_: many of the incomplete brasero bugs request the reporter send the bug upstream (for jaunty). Should these be closed now?
[16:28] <charlie-tca> Example is bug 329905
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 329905 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero burns corruptly (heat: 5)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329905
[16:28] <hggdh> rusivi: we *can* go upstream (to Madriva, or Gnome, or KDE, etc) and comment on the bugs *there*
[16:29] <pedro_> charlie-tca, yeah those are ok to close
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:29] <pedro_> you're welcome
[16:30] <pedro_> btw is somebody else getting no bugs with the hugday tool?
[16:30] <Tetsuo55> noooo, empathy crash isnt fixed :(
[16:30] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, which empathy crash?
[16:30] <rusivi> hggdh: the only reason I touched it (will not moving forward) is because there Mandriva bug linked
[16:30] <Tetsuo55> unicode one in butterfly that was fixed yesterday
[16:31] <rusivi> mggdh: there Mandriva bug link = there was no Mandriva bug linked
[16:31] <Tetsuo55> im opening a new ticket
[16:31] <hggdh> rusivi: yes, but it is a Mandriva bug, not Ubuntu. If you think a comment/question is needed, you have to go to the Madriva BTS and do it there
[16:31] <Tetsuo55> pedro_:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-butterfly/+bug/597381
[16:31] <rusivi> hggdh: k np
[16:31] <ubot2> Tetsuo55: Error: Bug #597381 is private.
[16:32] <Tetsuo55> This report is public
[16:32] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, that's still not fixed though
[16:32] <Tetsuo55> oh
[16:32] <pedro_> not in Ubuntu at least
[16:33] <Tetsuo55> oh so it was another butterfly crash that got fixed yesterday?
[16:33] <Tetsuo55> bbl dinner
[16:36] <vish> charlie-tca: are you able to close? i get bug not found! o.0
[16:36] <yofel> pedro_: right, hugday list returns nothing
[16:36] <pedro_> same here
[16:37] <pedro_> thekorn, are you around ? ^
[16:37] <charlie-tca> I don't use the hugday tools
[16:37]  * charlie-tca still does everything the old-fashioned way, "edit"
[16:38] <yofel> hey, they're cool, I even made the script put a link to my LP profile instead of just the id :P
[16:38] <charlie-tca> It says pedro_ has the page locked
[16:38] <pedro_> !
[16:38] <pedro_> really?
[16:39]  * pedro_ checking
[16:40] <pedro_> charlie-tca, does it works now?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> This page was opened for editing or last previewed at 2010-09-16 08:39:08 by Pedro Villavicencio.
[16:40] <charlie-tca> You should refrain from editing this page for at least another 9 minute(s), to avoid editing conflicts.
[16:40] <charlie-tca> To leave the editor, press the Cancel button.
[16:40] <pedro_> wth
[16:41] <charlie-tca> crap
[16:41] <charlie-tca> fail, huh?
[16:41] <thekorn> pedro_: yes, what did I broke?
[16:42] <pedro_> i'm pretty sure i'm not editing anything
[16:42] <pedro_> thekorn, nothing :-)
[16:42] <thekorn> phew...
[16:42] <pedro_> thekorn, may you have a look at the hugday tool? is returning 0 bugs and not finding anything
[16:43] <thekorn> sure, give me a sec
[16:44] <pedro_> thank you thekorn
[16:45] <charlie-tca> 5 more minutes
[16:46] <rusivi> In bug 139558 it seems it is a bug that is dependent on another but not a formal duplicate, is it appropriate to mark this bug as a dup of the dependency?
[16:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 139558 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _signal_text_received() (affects: 68) (dups: 1) (heat: 342)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139558
[16:51] <thekorn> pedro_: found the issue: the hugday tool searches for bugurls with pattern 'https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/<ID>', but today the Bug column has urls like "https://launchpad.net/bugs/502612"
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 502612 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Session error : unknown (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2811) (affects: 7) (heat: 36)" [Low,New]
[16:51] <pedro_> aha!
[16:51] <thekorn> easiest fix would be to adjust the urls on the wiki, but I can change it in the script too
[16:52] <thekorn> but then everybody has to update their checkouts
[16:52] <pedro_> charlie-tca, how did you generated the list of bugs?
[16:52] <charlie-tca> OO.o manually
[16:52] <pedro_> !
[16:52] <pedro_> like manually manually?
[16:52] <charlie-tca> I did not want to have to install bzr again
[16:53] <charlie-tca> like copy from launchpad to abiword to Open-Office calc?
[16:53] <pedro_> :-P you could have told me about it
[16:53] <hggdh> rusivi: no, you should not make it a dup -- it depends on, but it is not the same issue
[16:53] <hggdh> rusivi: we should have dependency handling on LP in a few weeks
[16:53] <charlie-tca> did what the wiki said to
[16:54] <pedro_> charlie-tca, it says use bughelper :-P
[16:54] <pedro_> ah let's fix the bug url it should be easy to do
[16:54] <pedro_> thanks thekorn
[16:54] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing#Open%20Office
[16:54] <thekorn> no problemo
[16:54] <pedro_> charlie-tca, i'm pretty sure that vish wrote that
[16:54] <rusivi> hggdh: k ty for checking!
[16:54] <pedro_> charlie-tca, is always his fault
[16:54] <pedro_> !
[16:55] <charlie-tca> bughelper wanted to install bazaar again. I did not want that again
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Well, vish should take the blame then :-)
[16:55] <charlie-tca> obviously not my fault
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Oh, I see now. Yes, my fault.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> I guess I will fix the organizing page, then
[16:59] <pedro_> links fixed, could somebody try to close a bug there?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> pedro_: that is probably why it was so difficult to follow those directions.
[17:01] <vish> pedro_: hmm , what did i write?
[17:01] <pedro_> charlie-tca, yeah
[17:02] <pedro_> vish, could you try to close some bugs with hugday tool?
[17:03] <vish> \o/
[17:03] <vish> works now!
[17:04] <pedro_> cool!
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Sorry. Corrected the organizing page, too.
[17:04] <thekorn> hugday current
[17:04] <thekorn> ups, sorry
[17:04] <pedro_> charlie-tca, thank you !
[17:04] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:04] <charlie-tca> At least we found it
[17:05] <pedro_> indeed :-)
[17:05] <vish> hmm , btw, what got pinned on me this time ?  :D
[17:06] <pedro_> vish, ah it's a secret :-P
[17:06]  * vish duck-tapes pedro_'s finger ;p
[17:06] <pedro_> ;-)
[17:06] <vish> no more pointing for you! ;)
[17:10] <charlie-tca> vish: does it matter? I heard you did it, no matter what "it" is?
[17:11]  * vish very bad fella .. o.0
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't say bad, but very considerate, taking blame for things.
[17:13] <Tetsuo55> ok im back
[17:13] <Tetsuo55> whats keeping bug 597381 fix from becomming available on updater?
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 597381 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _signal_text_received() (affects: 70) (dups: 1) (heat: 316)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597381
[17:14] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, i'll check it in a few
[17:14] <Tetsuo55> pedro_: thanks
[17:16] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:17] <vish> pedro_: btw, what happened to hggdh's secret ? ;)
[17:17] <vish> did anyone crack under his pressure?
[17:17] <fuorviatos> Hello there
[17:17] <pedro_> vish, no one :-)
[17:17]  * hggdh points out to vish that there will be a reckoning during UDS >->
[17:18] <vish> oh oh!
[17:18] <hggdh> :-)
[17:18] <fuorviatos> micahg: thanks for your help on puching forward the bug related to  samba hang :)
[17:18] <fuorviatos> micahg: I'm glad it's been fixed so fast
[17:20] <micahg> fuorviatos: np
[17:21] <micahg> fuorviatos: once can be written off as a fluke possibly, twice with so many reports is a chronic issue
[17:22] <Tetsuo55> pedro_: FYI, the behaviour has changed now, after todays update it now occurs on every message sent, instead of once in a while
[17:24] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, ok, looks like it's fixed in butterfly 0.5.14
[17:24] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, yesterday update was for papyon
[17:24] <fuorviatos> micahg: I'm not sure I got you :)
[17:24] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, i've pinged the maintainer to have a look and include the fix in the ubuntu package
[17:24] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, thanks for raising it
[17:24] <micahg> fuorviatos: happening on two successive upgrades implies a larger issue
[17:25] <fuorviatos> micahg: yeah, you're right
[17:25] <Tetsuo55> pedro_:  thank you, can i get another packadge updated while we;re at it? cppcheck, it doesnt seem to fall under formal ubuntu maintenance though
[17:26] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, better to ask that in #motu
[17:26] <Tetsuo55> 1 user there? lol
[17:27] <micahg> Tetsuo55: #ubuntu-motu :)
[17:27] <pedro_> bha ubuntu-motu
[17:27] <pedro_> what micahg said ;-)
[17:34] <fuorviatos> bye
[17:41] <cjohnston> Is there anyone around who could take a few minutes and work on finishing the Contributions page for the bug squad please? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Bug Triagers
[17:44] <pedro_> cjohnston, i'm working on it
[17:44] <cjohnston> great pedro_.. Thanks!
[17:44] <MichealH> cjohnston: I could but Im not a traiger? What needs doing?
[17:45] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:45] <cjohnston> There are still some areas that need to be written MichealH.. Sounds like pedro_ is on it though..
[17:45] <MichealH> cjohnston: Okay
[17:46]  * MichealH wants to be bugsquad, but I got denied?
[17:46] <MichealH> bugcontrol, sorry
[17:50] <charlie-tca> MichealH: I think you need more experience
[17:53] <MichealH> charlie-tca: Okay
[17:53] <MichealH> charlie-tca: As in?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> triage some more bugs, lots more
[17:56] <nigelb> charlie-tca: erm, abiword?
[17:56] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:56] <charlie-tca> uses its own bugtracker
[17:56] <nigelb> oh, ok
[17:57]  * charlie-tca doesn't even get his own messages back that fast
[17:59] <charlie-tca> MichealH: you will do fine, but just need to keep triaging to gain experience
[18:02]  * MichealH searches for triageable bugs and tests them
[18:03] <MichealH> Can I focus on Lucid bugs?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> You can.
[18:03] <nigelb> ok, so UOW calls are out and who wants to do the bugs talk? /me looks at hggdh
[18:04]  * MichealH disappears
[18:05] <rrittenhouse_> haha
[18:07] <nigelb> bdmurray: you could have warned that one would need to be lp beta tester to see those comments
[18:08] <nigelb> I was thinking I can't see
[18:11] <bdmurray> nigelb: Oh you need to be a member to see them on the web page?  I'd just thought it was only sending mail to beta testers.
[18:11] <devildante> yay, vish assigned me two students :)
[18:11] <bdmurray> nigelb: if you've found the launchpad bug please comment on it to that affect
[18:11] <nigelb> bdmurray: I talked to dereck, he'll file the bug for it :)
[18:12] <bdmurray> nigelb: there is a bug about it already
[18:12] <nigelb> oh, there is? ok
[18:13] <bdmurray> the switch that will fix bug 639736 will fix the web issue to I imagine
[18:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 639736 in malone "imported bug comments email not sent to everyone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639736
[18:13] <nigelb> aha, that one
[18:14] <devildante> btw, hi everyone :)
[18:14] <vish> maybe gnome desktop bugs could also get comments imported
[18:14] <vish> most of it is from upstream..
[18:14] <devildante> vish, I'd like that
[18:14] <vish> :)
[18:14] <vish> pedro_: what ya think^?
[18:16] <devildante> and thanks for assigning me students, vish :)
[18:16] <vish> devildante: you'are welcome :)
[18:16] <devildante> :)
[18:25] <rusivi> Can someone please review bug 148659 for wishlist?
[18:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 148659 in scrot (Ubuntu) "scrot can't save files without extension (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148659
[18:28] <charlie-tca> rusivi: do we know if scrot now gives an error if no extension is used?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> rusivi: this needs to be tested in Maverick, I think. According the the user in comment #5, he experienced something different
[18:29] <rusivi> charlie-tca: ah ty for reviewing
[18:29] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:37] <elopio> hello squad.
[18:38] <elopio> my evolution is crashing a lot. I debugged it and found that this is the cause: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330728
[18:38] <ubot2> Gnome bug 330728 in Gal "Crash in ETable a11y code" [Critical,New]
[18:38] <elopio> but I'm wondering why apport is not launched when it crashes. Evolution just disappears.
[18:40] <yofel> elopio: which release are you running?
[18:40] <elopio> yofel: maveric beta.
[18:40] <yofel> any crash indication in dmesg?
[18:41] <elopio> yofel, yes: [90717.567425] evolution[31786]: segfault at 7b1eac00 ip 00007fa09d0d1a80 sp 00007fff2aff3560 error 4 in libetable.so.0.0.0[7fa09d061000+90000]
[18:42] <yofel> ok, that should trigger apport, and you really have nothing in /var/crash/ ?
[18:42] <elopio> let me see...
[18:44] <elopio> I have a _usr_bin_evolution.1000.crash, from about 11 hours ago.
[18:44] <yofel> that should probably be the crash, as apport ignores repeated crashes IIRC
[18:45] <elopio> um, got it.
[18:45] <yofel> not sure why it didn't notify about the crash
[18:45] <elopio> so if I remove that file, next crash should trigger apport.
[18:45] <yofel> I think yes, but I'm not sure
[18:46] <elopio> let's wait :)
[18:46] <elopio> thanks yofel
[18:47] <hggdh> nigelb: what bug talk?
[18:47] <elopio> oh, another question. The bug is already on the upstream tracker. But I didn't found it on launchpad.
[18:47]  * hggdh was busy elsewhere...
[18:47] <elopio> should I add it to launchpad and link it to upstream?
[18:47] <nigelb> hggdh: oh the usual, how to contribute :)
[18:48] <hggdh> nigelb: and where/when/how/why. Also, what is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything?
[18:48]  * hggdh feels that one more question would not hurt...
[18:48] <nigelb> hggdh: #ubuntu-clasroom, you decide, irc, because you're hggdh, and 42
[18:49] <hggdh> wow! The guy *is* good!
[18:49] <yofel> ^^
[18:50] <hggdh> as an aside, '42' is the most important answer in the universe, but nobody knows to *which* question...
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[18:51] <nigelb> hggdh: yes, but I'd recommend "how many steps a guy should take"
[18:51] <hggdh> nigelb: OK, I bite
[19:03] <pedro_> vish, for new bugs sure, but not from *all* otherwise we're going to end up with a huge pile of emails
[19:03] <pedro_> vish, like for emails filed there this year
[19:04] <vish> yeah , that would be crappy.. new bugs atleast or atleast only new comments for old bugs
[19:05] <devildante> vish, or new comments for all bugs
[19:06] <devildante> (not all of them)
[19:06] <pedro_> right
[19:07] <vish> mail from lp also goes out to bugzilla?
[19:07] <vish> that would be super awesome! ,esp for bugs which get too many comments on lp! will drive gnome mad :p
[19:08] <vish> we need not say, the "bug is upstream comment there"  ;p
[19:08] <pedro_> they would kill me
[19:08] <pedro_> i'd be banned from guadec for ever
[19:09] <nigelb> wait, you aren't yet? :p
[19:09] <pedro_> not yet, but working hard on it :-P
[19:09] <nigelb> haha
[19:09] <vish> casualties in war is acceptable ;p
[19:10]  * nigelb ^ 5 vish 
[19:10] <pedro_> but would be nice to have some kind of a 'switch' to say ok i'd like these comments to go into the upstream bts
[19:10] <pedro_> rather than doing the copy & paste
[19:10] <vish> yeah
[19:10] <nigelb> pedro_: the pedro script that bryce did!
[19:10] <pedro_> because seriously there's plenty of terrible comments on bugs reports
[19:11] <pedro_> from spam to "why is this not fixed yet"
[19:11] <pedro_> nigelb, haha yeah something like that but in lp :-)
[19:11] <pedro_> and restricted to the bug contact or bug control
[19:11] <nigelb> +1
[19:18] <devildante> pedro_ yes, that would be great if it was restricted
[19:20] <hakzsam> who is the main developer in rhythmbox ?
[19:22] <nigelb> check in #rhythmbox on gimpnet, there are 3 I think
[19:25]  * yofel would like to see that switch auto-hide comments on the launchpad UI too, so you only see useful ones by default
[19:26] <yofel> I think many upstream devs (like Ted) would be happy about that
[19:36] <intrader> All, since 11:27 I have not seen any activity; is there a problem somewhere?
[19:38] <yofel> intrader: there has been a lot of activity here, see the logs
[19:38] <yofel> also, 11:27 -> which timezone?
[19:39] <intrader> yofel, 11:27 pacific
[19:39] <intrader> yofel, Los angeles CA (PST)
[19:40] <Pici> Yes, nothing new was said since then.
[19:41] <yofel> k, I assumed UTC, sry
[19:42] <intrader> yofel, np - still I have only seen your comment and brianchidester quiting
[19:44] <intrader> Pici, thanks
[19:55] <intrader> yofel, is there something wrong? No activity
[19:58] <vish> intrader: well , we dont simply chat.. if we are chatting something *is* wrong :)
[19:59] <intrader> vish, I have the activity simply vanish - it has been 15 minutes with only you and yofel around
[20:00] <vish> intrader: you are asking about the irc chat having no activity, right?
[20:01] <intrader> vish, yes #ubuntu-bugs irc  - I just saw jrib joining, did you?
[20:02] <Pici> Is there something else that you're expecting to see here?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> intrader: there will be periods of no activity. sometimes we go an hour or more with nothing, too.
[20:03] <intrader> Pici, charlie-tca: thanks. I wanted to bring up the issue of but 631130
[20:03] <vish> bug 631130
[20:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[20:04] <intrader> Pici, charlie-tca: sorry bug 631130
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:05] <charlie-tca> What is the question?
[20:06] <yofel> this channel has sure gotten busier in the last few months though, when I joined you could easily spend half a day here and then ping the bot to make sure your client isn't broken ^^
[20:06] <vish> yofel: yea.. ! its been better since we joined BC ;)
[20:06] <vish> brought some life in here ;p
[20:07] <yofel> right :D
[20:07] <intrader> charlie-tca: no activity in bug report except for mine. I feel extremely frustrated with 10.04 - barely usable - mostly now using Windows XP
[20:07] <charlie-tca> intrader: There is no point adding tasks for other distributions unless you have a bug number from their bugzillas. We are not going to fix them
[20:08] <intrader> charlie-tca, all those distributions have the same problem on this computer. so something in common is wrong
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Some things go that way. If no one else is having that issue, they don't comment on it.
[20:09] <charlie-tca> The fact that they all have the same issue for you does not mean we want them added to the report as separate projects. Just commenting that you tried them all and it is the same is enough
[20:09] <charlie-tca> The added project is used to track a bug in their systems, not to say "I have this in these too"
[20:10] <intrader> charlie-tca, thanks, I thought that by adding the distributions, it would add information to bug report.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> all it does is leave us wondering why there is no bug report added to them.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> What we need, is to know what the common application/library in use is in all distros it is happening in for you.
[20:12] <intrader> charlie-tca, now, what would you recommend? It started in the timeframe of the 9.10 release
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Have you run memory and drive checks?
[20:13] <yofel> btw, is it expected behaviour, that when I tell apt: 'apt-get install pyroom/lucid' it installs the version from lucid-proposed if I have the repos added?
[20:13] <yofel> filed that as bug 640703 if anyone can confirm it or wants to close it
[20:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640703 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get selects version from wrong release when installing a package and a specific release is requested (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640703
[20:14] <intrader> charlie-tca, yes, I have run memory and drive checks.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> It is also possible something in /home that was carried forward is causing it. I could not use gnumeric in Maverick when I carried the conf files forward
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Try a new user, without carrying anything forward. See if it changes the behavior.
[20:16] <vish> yofel: afaik , the latest version will be installed if you have the repo active
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Bryce marked it as in the graphics driver, it is a start.
[20:16] <intrader> charlie-tca, machine still runs Windows XP splendidly - using firefox, eclipse, mono develop, etc - I will create a new user; how do I prevent to carry anything forward?
[20:16] <vish> irrespective of it being -proposed or any other ppa
[20:16] <vish> yofel: if you dont want that then apt-pinning is best way to avoid..
[20:16] <charlie-tca> You just create the new user and restart. Log in as the new user, and try things to see how it works.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> And, yes, restart, not log out/log in
[20:17] <yofel> vish: well, aptitude works fine, it's just that apt doesn't like me
[20:17] <yofel> also, apt does ignore the maverick version and selects lucid-proposed, just not lucid as I requested
[20:17] <vish> oh!
[20:17] <intrader> charlie-tca, I will do so, and report back
[20:18] <yofel> vish: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494904/
[20:18]  * yofel forgot to add that to the report
[20:25] <njin> pedro_: hello
[20:25] <pedro_> hey njin
[20:26] <njin> pedro_: a bug related to tap-touch can be assigned to xserver-xorg-input mouse ?
[20:26] <pedro_> no idea, which bug?
[20:27] <pedro_> njin, somebody here in the channel might help you with that , just paste the link
[20:27] <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/638025
[20:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638025 in ubuntu "Cannot disable 'tap to touch' on touchpad Dell Inspiron 15R or machines without synaptic touchpad driver (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:55] <pedro_> folks , we are more or less done with our section at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Bug%20Triagers
[20:55] <pedro_> Please have a look and tell us what you think, would be nice to check for typos ;-)
[21:07] <bdmurray> pedro_: looks good thanks!
[21:08] <intrader> charlie-tca, about bug 631130 - tried another user after reboot - same
[21:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[21:08] <pedro_> thanks for checking bdmurray :-)
[21:08] <pedro_> vish, charlie-tca and hggdh contributed to it
[21:09] <charlie-tca> intrader: comment so on the bug, please
[21:11] <intrader> charlie-tca, I will do that
[21:11] <charlie-tca> intrader: let me know when you do, I  will triage it
[21:12] <elopio> pedro_, I read the triage section and it seems good to me.
[21:12] <elopio> I just don't understand this: "There is no requirement to only triage when someone says okay. The only time required is what you are able to give. "
[21:12] <pedro_> thanks for checking elopio!
[21:13] <elopio> I don't know if it's because of my lousy english, or because it's not clear.
[21:13] <charlie-tca> BugDay is progressing well, now that bugs can be completed on it!
[21:13] <pedro_> maybe we could rephrase that
[21:13] <yofel> The first scentence is ok IMHO, but the I don't quite get the 2nd one either
[21:13] <pedro_> ideas?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> It reads bad, maybe
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Remove that 2nd sentence
[21:14] <charlie-tca> cause I don't know how to re-word it so it reads good
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Just trying to say you can triage anytime you want to
[21:16] <nigelb> charlie-tca: which one?
[21:17] <charlie-tca>  "There is no requirement to only triage when someone says okay. The only time required is what you are able to give. "
[21:18] <intrader> charlie-tca, added comment to bug 631130. What does triage mean?
[21:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Triage means there should be enough info for the developers to start working on it, when they can.
[21:18] <nigelb> charlie-tca: ok, the entire sentence looks confusing
[21:20] <yofel> someone should write a 'triage' factoid for ubot2 ..
[21:21] <charlie-tca> yofel: what would it say?
[21:21] <intrader> charlie-tca, I suspect that something occurred during the timeframe of release of 9.10 which affected 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04
[21:22] <charlie-tca> probably
[21:23]  * charlie-tca slaps head
[21:24] <charlie-tca> !triage
[21:24] <ubot2> Factoid 'triage' not found
[21:24] <charlie-tca> !no, !triage is Triage means there should be enough info for the developers to start working on it, when they can.
[21:25] <intrader> charlie-tca, further, it seems to me it is in the kernel or in Xorg perhaps dealing with multiple gesture handling
[21:26] <charlie-tca> It is in the video driver, perhaps, or xserver-xorg
[21:27] <intrader> charlie-tca, same video driver (and version) - could be xserver-xorg as you said
[21:28] <charlie-tca> yofel: submitted factoid
[21:28] <yofel> ah, thx :)
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Now have to wait to get it approved
[21:29] <intrader> charlie-tca, from the other distributions, Open Suse 8.2 and the earlier 9.04 (I still have the CD for that), worked fine with that driver. So what changed?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> There are many changes between versions, kernel, Xorg, drivers, etc
[21:29] <intrader> !triage
[21:29] <ubot2> Factoid 'triage' not found
[21:32] <intrader> charlie-tca, I am sure it is very many changes. But significantly, new multi touch was added (this is guess)
[21:33] <charlie-tca> that should not have been until now, in maverick
[21:35] <intrader> charlie-tca, maybe my 10..04 has some of that code, or the update process run after install picked it up by mistake (my 9.04 that worked Ok was hosed after the update)
[21:35] <charlie-tca> !triage is <reply> Triage is there should be enough information for the developers to start working on your bug, when they have time.
[21:35] <intrader> !triage
[21:35] <ubot2> Factoid 'triage' not found
[21:36] <charlie-tca> it won't be found until they approve it
[21:37] <intrader> charlie-tca, ah! - how approves such things?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure. I just know it happens
[21:38] <vish> intrader: the irc admins check and add it when they are free
[21:38] <intrader> vish, thanks for info
[21:38] <vish> np..
[21:41] <intrader> charlie-tca, the history, Suse 8.2 Good, ubuntu 8.04, Good, ubuntu 9.04 Good (but no Skype), ubuntu 9.10 Bad, ubuntu 9.04 Bad (and no Skype), ubuntu 10.04 bad (but now I have skype)
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Okay, we just have to wait for the developers to get to it now
[21:42] <vish> intrader: it is reasonable for bugs to take a considerable amount of time to get fixed..
[21:44] <vish> intrader: some bugs are not even triaged for months together, there are not enough people to look at all bugs that a filed.. you are lucky though ;)
[21:44] <valsum> pedro_, maybe this could be said easier: "There is no requirement to only triage when someone says okay"
[21:44] <valsum> but overall it's good
[21:44] <pedro_> thanks valsum
[21:44] <pedro_> what do you guys think about that sentence ^
[21:45] <vish> pedro_: its already been fixed ;p
[21:45] <vish> wiki now says "You can do it anytime - You can triage anytime you want to. "
[21:46] <vish> who dunnit!
[21:46]  * vish checks info
[21:46] <vish> charlie-tca holds the smoking gun!
[21:47]  * pedro_ looks
[21:47]  * charlie-tca hides
[21:49] <pedro_> well, if it sounds good to all , let's go for it
[21:50] <pedro_> i'd remove the first part and just leave "You can triage anytime you want to" though
[21:50] <vish> or "Triage at leisure - You can triage anytime you want to"
[21:50] <vish> ?
[21:51]  * charlie-tca thinks "sure...", as long as he doesn't have to change it again
[21:52] <pedro_> vish "Triage at your convenience" ?
[21:52] <vish> ooh nice!
[21:53] <vish> charlie-tca: , hggdh: ^ fine with you
[21:53] <pedro_> charlie-tca, does good to you?
[21:53] <pedro_> blah
[21:53] <pedro_> does that sounds good to you :-)
[21:53] <pedro_> darn keyboard/brain
[21:53] <hggdh> expand a bit
[21:54] <vish> "Triage at your convenience - You can triage anytime you want to"
[21:54] <hggdh> 'triage at your convenience, any time is OK'
[21:54] <pedro_> can't believe that line is taking us so long haha
[21:54] <hggdh> vish +1
[21:54] <hggdh> :-)
[21:54] <vish> ;)
[21:54] <pedro_> vish, that's what i'm telling :-P
[21:54] <hggdh> you should see discussions on the US Senate...
[21:55] <pedro_> we have the same, it took like 3 months to discuss the next country holidays here
[21:55] <vish> pedro_: yeah , but hggdh is getting lazy because of us! , we need to put two lines together and make it easier for him to read ;p
[21:55] <pedro_> ok doing the change
[21:56] <hggdh> vish: two line is too long for me to pay attention to ;-)
[21:56] <pedro_> lol
[21:57] <charlie-tca> It sounds great to me
[21:57] <pedro_> done, thanks folks
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Hm, we had a new guy in here yesterday, wanted to work on the bugday. Is that person around today?
[22:00] <vish> charlie-tca: rusiv-i ?
[22:00] <hggdh> heh. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100916/01021811036.shtml
[22:00] <charlie-tca> no, somebody else
[22:03] <charlie-tca> and, of course, my log doesn't show it. What a day!
[22:03]  * devildante is back into action... did he miss something important?
[22:03] <nigelb> charlie-tca: irclogs.ubuntu.com? :)
[22:04] <charlie-tca> tired
[22:04] <nigelb> hggdh: lol, he's right.  Open means *MS* is incompetent :p
[22:08] <pedro_> gotta run, see you guys!
[22:08] <valsum> cu