[00:12] <jcastro> Pici: highvoltage: file a bug on ubuntu-website
[00:12] <jcastro> that's kind of ! that that can happen
[00:19]  * nigelb wonders what '!' represents
[00:43] <doctormo> ScottL: The device isn't a part of a workflow, the hardware should just work. If it doesn't then it's not making things, it's fixing a broken system.
[00:45] <jcastro> JFo: are fans not turning on kernel-related?
[01:12] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[01:12] <pleia2> doctormo: pong
[01:13] <doctormo> pleia2: I was thinking of doing a kickstart for attending UDS since I didn't get sponsorship. What are your thoughts?
[01:13] <pleia2> kickstart?
[01:14] <doctormo> http://www.kickstarter.com/
[01:14] <ScottL> doctormo, i had expected the drivers to be a package for a discreet time until things are functional and stabilized and finally included into the kernel
[01:15] <ScottL> doctormo, as such i expected to have to include the driver package in the ubuntustudio.seeds
[01:15] <doctormo> ScottL: True enough, if we must do a workflow it has to be in a systems maintenance section.
[01:16] <ScottL> doctormo, well, if you could add a workflow for drawing your daily sketches that would help several things:
[01:16] <ScottL> 1) giving justification (based on a task) for including the driver
[01:16] <ScottL> 2) giving a workflow for users to follow
[01:16] <ScottL> 3) develops a framework to create documentation
[01:16] <pleia2> doctormo: ah, not a bad idea :)
[01:17] <doctormo> pleia2: I wonder if we could actually organise something. did you get sponsored? Do we know who didn't?
[01:17] <ScottL> isn't kickstarter how those open source twitter guys did their funding...i forget the name, but it was slightly odd
[01:18] <pleia2> doctormo: I can't attend and I've got too much going on right now to have paid much attention to UDS planning this time around
[01:21] <doctormo> pleia2: How is life? I had hoped things would be easy after the move :-)
[01:22] <ScottL> doctormo, even if you feel that the workflow isn't required for the driver, it would still be appreciated if we could rely on your experience with tablets for documentation
[01:22] <pleia2> doctormo: great! but very very busy :)
[01:23] <ScottL> diaspora is the project that used kickstarter for funding, and they overshoot their target funding by an order of magnitude i believe
[01:24] <doctormo> ScottL: I've added an art section, full of bullets.
[01:27] <nigelb> jcastro: got a minute?
[01:34] <ScottL> doctormo, capital!  thank you :)
[01:36] <ScottL> doctormo, it may seem slightly trivial, but we are going to be using the task workflows to evaluate and revise the current package selections in ubuntu studio
[01:36] <ScottL> we are trying to avoid being less of an application factory and be more lean, functional, and useful for users
[01:37] <ScottL> thanks again
[02:02] <doctormo> ScottL: Brilliant Idea.
[02:06] <greg-g> so, which LoCo team will be first to set up a diaspora node for their members? http://github.com/diaspora/diaspora
[02:20] <ScottL> doctormo, i wish i could take credit for it but it was persia's idea, i just hope that i am capable enough to effect it ;)
[02:47] <doctormo> ScottL: persia is a god, there is nothing more that can be said ;-)
[06:53] <ara> good morning all!
[06:53] <AlanBell> morning
[08:03] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:10] <jussi> doctormo: +1. yes, persia is a god :D
[08:11] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[08:11] <jussi> IM going to mention it again here... for all you lovely people setting up your irc client, you can avoid the spamming of your ip and "changing host" quit messafg
[08:11] <jussi> messages by putting your nickserv pass as the server pass on freenode
[08:11] <jussi> and backspace shouldnt be near enter :P
[08:11] <jussi> hi czajkowski
[08:12] <dpm> good morning czajkowski, jussi
[08:13] <jussi> heya dpm
[08:15]  * jussi points jcastro to the above info
[08:25] <czajkowski> dpm: howdy
[08:30] <dpm> hey :-)
[09:07] <dpm> could someone with a default English (non-British, non-Australian, etc.) installation please help me? What's the output of the 'locale' command (without quotes) on the command line?
[09:08] <czajkowski> dpm: will paste to dm
[09:09] <dpm> great, thanks czajkowski!
[09:09] <czajkowski> :)
[10:55] <popey> Morning community!
[10:57] <Pendulum> morning popey
[11:01] <dpm> hey popey, morning
[11:32] <nigelb> morning folks *yawn*
[12:20] <huats> hello
[12:23] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:36] <duanedesign> popey: ping
[12:37] <popey> duanedesign: pong
[12:37] <duanedesign> popey: good day. I uploaded some screencasts to static.screencasts.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <popey> nice one!
[12:38] <duanedesign> popey: what do i need to do now.
[12:41] <popey> hmm
[12:41] <popey> one moment
[12:42] <duanedesign> popey: no rush. thank you.
[12:43] <nigelb> ugh, my fonts have changed.  why!
[12:44] <popey> duanedesign: where'd you put them?
[12:44] <popey> ah, in your ~
[12:45] <popey> duanedesign: lets move to #ubuntu-screencasts
[12:45] <duanedesign> kk
[12:46] <nigelb> um, whats the default font usually?
[12:48] <AlanBell> normally sans, which is dejavu-sans
[12:48] <AlanBell> did it just change to the ubuntu beta font?
[12:48] <nigelb> nope
[12:48] <nigelb> its changed to sans
[12:48] <nigelb> can't read irssi very clearly
[12:57] <nigelb> yay, back to normal
[12:57] <nigelb> AlanBell: thank you!
[13:11] <nigelb> AlanBell: I ended up manually correcting it.
[14:09] <JFo> jcastro, fans not turning on could indeed be kernel related
[14:11] <jcastro> JFo: ok so if I see fan questions I should tag them kernel perhaps?
[14:12] <nigelb> jcastro: you've got plenty of freee time now?
[14:12] <JFo> jcastro, yes please
[14:13] <nigelb> jcastro: can you pop into -classroom-backstage if you have time?
[14:23] <nigelb> bug 488458
[14:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 488458 in lernid "phones home (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488458
[14:56] <jcastro> dpm: thanks for that script
[14:56] <jcastro> but mhall fixed it up so I got it all done
[14:56] <jcastro> it will be handy for future things though
[14:57] <dpm> jcastro, ah, cool, as I said, I'm happy that you didn't have to resort to it :)
[15:17] <|izzie> WHOA!
[15:17] <|izzie> doctormo, you've switched alliances!!!
[15:21]  * popey hugs jcastro 
[15:23] <jcastro> woo, openweek call for instructors is out
[15:31] <nhandler> jcastro: Where?
[15:31] <jcastro> -users, -classrom, and -locoteams
[15:31] <nhandler> Alright. I'll just be patient ;)
[15:31] <jcastro> merged and pushed btw
[15:32] <nigelb> jcastro: I love you!
[15:32] <jcastro> you're not going to love me when I put you in the lernid-dev team and take myself out. :p
[15:33]  * nigelb takes that back :p
[15:33] <nhandler> Thanks jcastro
[15:33] <jcastro> anything else?
[15:33] <nhandler> lol, /me just applied for lernid-devs
[15:34] <nigelb> jcastro: um, yeah
[15:34] <jcastro> jono or the other guy has to approve you
[15:34] <nigelb> jcastro: bug jono thing I told you the other day :D
[15:34] <jcastro> just make him promote you guys and then have him unsub
[15:34] <jcastro> so you don't block on people
[15:34] <nigelb> thank you :)
[15:34] <nhandler> jcastro: Yeah. Wait? Was your "merged and pushed" comment about nigel's proposal? If so, can you do the same for my merge proposal
[15:35] <jcastro> nhandler: for yours
[15:35] <jcastro> I pushed his already
[15:36] <nigelb> \o/
[15:36] <nhandler> jcastro: Cool. Can you close the merge proposal then?
[15:36] <jcastro> yeah,
[15:36] <jcastro> isn't there some autoclose thing?
[15:36] <nhandler> You rock jcastro !
[15:36] <nigelb> (Note to self: Bug jcastro and things will get done)
[15:36] <jcastro> it seems lame to do both
[15:37] <nhandler> jcastro: No clue. I don't do enough with merges
[15:37] <jcastro> nigelb: stop spreading rumors!
[15:37] <huats> jcastro, don't deny, we all know that here :P
[15:37] <nigelb> jcastro: I'd like some help with putting a .htaccess file on jono's server.  You agreed to help :D
[15:38] <nigelb> since we're on a good run, I thought we'd finish off all the stuff today :p
[15:38] <jcastro> nhandler: DUDE.
[15:38] <jcastro> it's "Merged" automatically
[15:38] <jcastro> f'ing awesome
[15:38] <nigelb> jcastro: It is, yes
[16:03] <jono> hey dpm
[16:03] <jono> sorry, I am going to be a few mins
[16:03] <dpm> jono, no worries!
[16:10] <jono> dpm, ok, let's do skype
[16:10] <dpm> jono, ok, logged in
[17:12] <cjohnston> jono: any chance I could get 5 minutes of your time today?
[17:14] <jono> cjohnston, sure
[17:15] <cjohnston> I'm fine whenever.. Just let me know when
[17:20] <nigelb> oh, jono is giving out appointments.  jono I need about 10 minutes of your time too
[17:20] <nigelb> ;)
[17:20] <jcastro> I would like a pony!
[17:21] <nigelb> jcastro: team up with amber
[17:21] <nigelb> she wants one too :D
[17:21]  * paultag too
[17:21] <vish> hei , i want a Narwhal! :D
[17:24] <highvoltage> because they are so awesome?
[17:25] <jono> cjohnston, nigelb so you both need to chat?
[17:25] <nigelb> jono: with you, yes :)
[17:26] <cjohnston> lol
[17:26] <cjohnston> jono: yes.. 5 minutes should be fine.. on irc is fine
[17:27] <nigelb> ditto here too :)
[17:27] <cjohnston> It can be posponed to next week also.. not a rush.
[18:02] <pleia2> jcastro: thanks for including -classroom on your call for instructors :) I added you to Accepts on that list
[18:10] <jcastro> \o/
[18:16] <pleia2> and added to fridge
[18:22] <dpm> ok, done the share for the day
[18:22] <dpm> bye everyone
[18:24] <nigelb> g'nite
[18:53] <nigelb> ok, jcastro, since I love you, I just recruited first session leader for UOW :)
[18:53] <jcastro> I like how you roll
[18:54]  * nigelb should think of a session himself
[18:58] <jcastro> hey paultag
[18:59] <jcastro> thought you'd get a kick out of this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/09/go-that-way-really-fast.html
[19:00] <nigelb> "help lead the world away from the ancient, creaky, horribly broken bulletin board model of phpBB and vBulletin" <#
[19:00] <nigelb> <3
[19:18] <jcastro> is it me or is http://www.ubuntu.com/community a little bit full on?
[19:18]  * jcastro makes a mental note and finds the info he needs
[19:21] <akgraner> paultag, did you hear from kara?  If not I have a link for you will email it if you still need it
[19:29] <highvoltage> jcastro: a few images would brighten it up already :)
[19:30] <highvoltage> or maybe tabs. what the world needs is more tabs.
[20:03] <Technoviking> weird, SLC to MCO this summer Delta was only 21,000 Skymiles, for a for the week of UDS it is 32,500, ok plan B:)
[20:06]  * Pendulum has no financially viable plan B. stupid medical expenses that keep popping up.
[20:07] <Technoviking> going to see if my work would be willing to send me.
[20:37] <nigelb> omg.  OMG.
[20:37] <nigelb> jono: does tomorrow hold any particular significance?
[20:38] <nigelb> like you know, birthday
[20:38] <cjohnston> lol
[20:38] <cjohnston> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages
[20:39] <cjohnston> workin on the /community page
[20:39] <jono> nigelb, indeed :)
[20:39] <jono> tomorow I am 31`
[20:39] <nigelb> jono: Happy Birthday :)
[20:39] <jono> thanks nigelb!
[20:41] <akgraner> jono, don't forget to take you Geritol....
[20:41] <jono> lol
[20:41] <cjohnston> lol
[20:42] <nigelb> Also, akgraner's birthday falls while she's at UDS, just fyi ;)
[20:42] <jono> nigelb, woo!
[20:42] <cjohnston> hehehe
[20:43] <akgraner> nigelb, the sad thing is I just realized I am 10 years older than jono...
[20:43] <jono> akgraner, you are not ten years older than me, I am just ten years younger than you
[20:43] <cjohnston> but you seem so much younger
[20:43] <jono> lol
[20:43] <nigelb> ok then I should probably keep quiet about my age
[20:43] <akgraner> :-P
[20:43]  * nigelb waits for somone to say 'GET OFF MY LAWN'
[20:44] <akgraner> cjohnston, yeah he does doesn't he I was going to say 12 is about the right age for jono...
[20:44] <cjohnston> I was saying you
[20:44] <jono> lol
[20:44] <akgraner> cjohnston, ok you can be my new best friend if you thought I was in my 20's
[20:44] <nigelb> Becca's 16? ;)
[20:45] <akgraner> 15
[20:45] <akgraner> going on 16
[20:45] <cjohnston> I was gonna say 12
[20:45] <cjohnston> lol
[20:45] <cjohnston> 15 going on 21?
[20:45] <Pendulum> akgraner: going on 16 or going on 25 and 12 all at once? ;-)
[20:45] <akgraner> Pendulum, yes
[20:45] <nigelb> Pendulum: +++
[20:46] <akgraner> Pendulum, nigelb chatted with her last night for a few minutes while I was in the Kitchen
[20:46] <akgraner> she thought that was cool
[20:46]  * nigelb too
[20:46] <akgraner> and I found out she has a LP id and and IRC nick
[20:46] <Pendulum> :)
[20:46] <Pendulum> haha
[20:46] <Pendulum> you didn't know?
[20:46] <nigelb> hahaha
[20:46] <akgraner> nope
[20:47] <nigelb> akgraner: #blame-JFo
[20:48] <maco> hey maybe i can take the blame on that.... i was urging her to join #ubuntu-women at SELF
[20:48] <akgraner> maco, she told me
[20:48] <maco> she said she doesnt know how to use IRC. i asked her if she knew how to IM
[20:48] <akgraner> she was like  - I like maco
[20:48] <akgraner> she just likes knowing people she can rat me out too
[20:48] <maco> hehe
[20:48] <maco> and who give her free clothes?
[20:49] <nigelb> akgraner: haha
[20:49] <akgraner> she already wore them to school
[20:49] <nigelb> The only difference between akgraner and her daughter - look for smileys :-) vs (:
[20:50] <akgraner> yeah she does those backwards not sure why
[20:50] <nigelb> Tm_T does them backwards too :p
[20:50] <Pendulum> so what's her IRC nick? UbuntuOrphan1?
[20:51] <nigelb> lol
[20:51] <akgraner> Pendulum, hahaha no don't give her ideas
[20:51] <nigelb> UbuntuOrphan42
[20:51] <akgraner> she told me it was ragraner
[20:51] <maco> so have any of you ubufolks setup diaspora seeds yet?
[20:51] <nigelb> meh, rails no love
[20:52] <maco> i put the maverick version of rubygems in my ppa for lucid so lucid users could use it
[20:52] <nigelb> maco: ok, that definitely deserves hugs :)
[20:53] <maco> well my server runs lucid :P
[20:53] <maco> im not /that/ stupid
[20:53] <nigelb> to run maverick? or to run debian unstable? ;)
[20:53]  * highvoltage is!
[20:54] <highvoltage> (well, not production, but sitll :) )
[20:54] <akgraner> I haven't switched to Maverick yet... :-(
[20:54]  * nigelb is on Lenny :p
[20:54]  * highvoltage wonders if anyone will notice that the edubuntu installer background colour is #424242
[20:54] <maco> im running maverick, but thats on my laptops
[20:54] <maco> servers get lts
[20:54] <nigelb> highvoltage: OMG
[20:55]  * cjohnston has been running mav on production machines since a1
[20:55] <akgraner> I'll switch mine over once I get the heat issue fixed...
[20:56] <highvoltage> nigelb: and there's "101010" written very small in one of the slides :)
[20:56] <nigelb> Hardware Destroyer! :p
[20:57] <jussi> so... Im on the stand by list...
[20:57] <nigelb> highvoltage: don't tempt me :p
[20:57] <jussi> :)
[20:57] <nigelb> jussi: a week more to go?
[20:57] <akgraner> jono, will there be a London release party and will you be there?  If not I need to find someone who will be at the release party who can get me some pictures from there
[20:57] <highvoltage> nigelb: heh. and there's bigger ones but I'll only reveal after release :D (mhuhahahahaha)
[20:57] <jussi> nigelb: I was talking about uds :D
[20:57] <nigelb> jussi: I know, but I wasn't ;)
[20:57] <jussi> hehe yeah, 1 weekish
[20:58] <jussi> Mum and Dad arrive in the mornin...
[20:59] <nigelb> wooo!
[21:01] <akgraner> I got more feedback today on my OLF talk - I was worried about being so honest about my personal burnout - but the feedback has been awesome...  Best comment of all "The problem isn't that your son unplugged your server to get you off the computer.  The problem is you have a server room for him to go to in the first place."
[21:01] <nigelb> akgraner: hahaha
[21:02] <akgraner> I think I just take it for granted that *everyone* has a server in their house
[21:02]  * cjohnston wants a server
[21:03] <akgraner> maybe not rack mounted ones..
[21:03]  * JFo drop ships servers to cjohnston 
[21:03] <cjohnston> yay!
[21:03] <cjohnston> hey JFo !
[21:03] <JFo> take them... get them out of my way
[21:03] <nigelb> akgraner: pleia2 is the only other person I know of.
[21:03] <JFo> hey cjohnston
[21:03] <czajkowski> JFo: but they are nice toys to break
[21:03] <nigelb> I think she had a cluster at her house :p
[21:03] <czajkowski> or when you're really cranky great to kick!
[21:03] <akgraner> JFo, podcast in the am?  how does 9am sound to you
[21:04] <nigelb> oh no....
[21:04] <JFo> hmmmm, works for me
[21:04] <JFo> long as we have some sort of outline
[21:04] <nigelb> I'm going to get hurt laughing again...... :D :D
[21:04] <JFo> I have no idea what you are talking about nigelb :-|
[21:05] <JFo> we are serious about our podcasts
[21:05] <akgraner> JFo, you do the outline - I'll squeak through it...
[21:05] <nigelb> JFo: just like beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, comedy is too
[21:05] <pleia2> nigelb: hey, I work from home :) I need this server
[21:05] <nigelb> pleia2: haha, you had 4 or 5 earlier right?
[21:05]  * JFo unplugs pleia2's server
[21:05] <pleia2> well yeah, but I've cut back
[21:05] <JFo> just for fun though
[21:06] <nigelb> JFo: http://xkcd.com/705/
[21:06] <JFo> heh
[21:07] <nigelb> JFo: just remeber when dealing with pleia2, she's a sysadmin :D
[21:07] <jcastro> If I told you guys I am listening to linkin park would you think less of me?
[21:07] <JFo> jcastro, nope
[21:07] <akgraner> jcastro, my daughter loves them
[21:07] <maco> jcastro: no
[21:07] <nigelb> jcastro: I <3 linkin part
[21:07] <nigelb> park
[21:08] <nigelb> In the End is one of my favorites :)
[21:08] <akgraner> I have nail polish called Lincoln Park after dark :-)
[21:08] <nigelb> jcastro: jono might fire you though
[21:08] <maco> i havent heard much new music since i stopped listening to radio, but what i remember of them from like 6 years ago, i like them
[21:08] <jcastro> I got their new single
[21:08] <jcastro> it's pretty good
[21:09] <JFo> snerk* akgraner, check this out (via twitter) @manjo3 Having indian food ata restaurant across the street from the hotel. @jeremyfoshee @manjo3 dude, you're Indian... just call it 'food' ;-)
[21:10] <nigelb> JFo: hahaha
[21:10] <nigelb> Also, I didn't know manjo3 was indian :)
[21:10] <akgraner> Oh I can't wait til UDS I <3 you guys!
[21:10] <JFo> jono, what are we smoking? :-) oh... it is the FDA you want to be smoking. :)
[21:10] <JFo> akgraner, :-/
[21:10] <jono> lol
[21:11] <nigelb> JFo: ah, that manjo :)
[21:11] <JFo> nigelb, yeah
[21:11] <nigelb> jono: frget the cake song yet?
[21:11] <JFo> nah, It's a piece of cake...
[21:11] <akgraner> JFo, I hate you
[21:12] <JFo> akgraner, :-D
[21:12] <akgraner> I had almost forgotten that sone
[21:12] <akgraner> song
[21:12]  * nigelb got corrupted by JFo 
[21:12] <akgraner> now I am singing it again
[21:12] <JFo> YEAH!!
[21:13] <nigelb> great, now I'm listening to the cake song
[21:14] <nigelb> sign, nothing better to listen at 2 am to stay awake
[21:14] <nigelb> *sigh
[21:52] <czajkowski> spilling a pint glass of water on laptop is not good
[21:52] <nigelb> I'll repeat what dpm said :p
[21:52] <nigelb> czajkowski: You aren't supposed to feed these things!
[21:52] <czajkowski> I know :(
[21:52] <akgraner> czajkowski, no - but I spilled a pint of beer in Pete's and once it dried out it was fine
[21:52] <czajkowski> the mothership called it sounded urgent I got up and ran
[21:52] <czajkowski> she was just giving out I turned off the lights
[21:53]  * czajkowski mutters
[21:53] <jcastro> EOD in a few minutes, see ya'll tomorrow!
[21:53] <nigelb> jcastro: g'nite
[21:53] <czajkowski> jcastro: toodles
[21:53] <akgraner> jcastro, laters!
[21:53] <czajkowski> grrrr so help me I may actualy throttle her one day !
[21:53] <akgraner> czajkowski, who your mother or me :-P
[21:53] <czajkowski> the mothership
[21:54] <highvoltage> czajkowski: I once saw someone run with a laptop and tripped and then they dropped he dropped it in a swimming pool, so you don't have to feel so bad :)
[21:54] <akgraner> :-)  whew I was trying to figure I what I did this time :-P
[21:54] <czajkowski> highvoltage: laptops do not swim
[21:55] <nigelb> akgraner: haha
[21:57] <akgraner> I am gun shy these days  - I have PTSD now from czajkowski  threatening to throttle me :-P  (just kidding)
[21:58] <cjohnston> I'm not gun shy..
[21:58] <cjohnston> lol
[21:59] <czajkowski> eh
[21:59] <highvoltage> what's the opposite of gun shy?
[21:59] <vish> gun friendly?
[22:00] <cjohnston> the answer to your question is me
[22:00] <highvoltage> it was weird for me when I came to Canada and saw that you can buy guns at the supermarket :)
[22:01] <czajkowski> aye tis a bit frigging oddd
[22:01]  * cjohnston wants to go to canada!
[22:03]  * akgraner checks into the reciprocal conceal carry laws 
[22:03] <cjohnston> hehe
[22:03] <cjohnston> FL kicks butt
[22:04] <nigelb> all these army folks in here
[22:04]  * cjohnston wishes FL had openc arry tho
[22:04] <akgraner> now if we could only schedule a skynyrd concert one evening after UDS - life would be so awesome
[22:04] <akgraner> and complete
[22:05] <cjohnston> akgraner: you have an sc or nc license?
[22:05] <cjohnston> (ccw)
[22:06] <akgraner> nc and va
[22:06] <cjohnston> your good here
[22:06] <nigelb> ok, this has reached her higher level of geekery than I can keep up
[22:06] <nigelb> Whats ccw?
[22:06] <cjohnston> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
[22:07] <cjohnston> only places you cant carry are ca, or, mn, ia, il, wi, ny, me, dc, md, nj, ri, ct, ma
[22:07] <akgraner> cjohnston, I knew there was more than I big eared mouse I like about FL
[22:07] <cjohnston> lol
[22:07] <cjohnston> florida is cool.. you honor ours, we honor yours
[22:08] <nigelb> haha, took a minute for disney to come into mind
[22:08] <cjohnston> you can carry in one more state than i can
[22:08] <akgraner> which one is that VA?
[22:09] <JFo> he means numerically
[22:09]  * JFo goes to get the cluebat
[22:09] <cjohnston> i cant in you can carry in nv
[22:09] <cjohnston> I cant
[22:09] <cjohnston> VA is OPEN CARRY!!!!!!!!
[22:09] <cjohnston> I want to move to VA so bad
[22:10] <cjohnston> For my non english statements, I can't carry in NV, but you can.
[22:10]  * czajkowski wants to go shhooting again 
[22:10] <cjohnston> czajkowski: I'm sure we will
[22:10] <cjohnston> waity
[22:10] <czajkowski> damn straight
[22:10] <cjohnston> im not sure I want to go shooting with you
[22:10] <nigelb> cjohnston: haha
[22:10] <akgraner> cjohnston, I loved living in Virginia - we lived in Charlottesville and Herndon.. Love it!!!
[22:10]  * czajkowski peers at cjohnston 
[22:11] <cjohnston> we talked about moving to cville
[22:11] <cjohnston> i would love to
[22:11] <nigelb> cjohnston: Now, I'm sure you don't want to go shooting with czajkowski :p
[22:11] <akgraner> czajkowski, I believe itnet7 is looking into places to go shoot....
[22:11] <czajkowski> aye
[22:11] <czajkowski> :D
[22:11] <cjohnston> akgraner: I didnt realize that NC was open carry
[22:11] <cjohnston> hmm...
[22:12] <cjohnston> I don't know of any places down by where we are going
[22:12] <cjohnston> there is a really big place up by me
[22:13] <akgraner> I'll touch base with him again about it... and find out what info he got for me
[22:13]  * JFo is safe on third
[22:14] <cjohnston> akgraner: I didn't know you carry.. But I guess it kinda makes sense
[22:14] <akgraner> cjohnston, I don't most of the time - but there are times when it is better and easier that way
[22:15] <akgraner> most of the time everything is locked safely in the cases when traveling...
[22:16] <cjohnston> a locked gun is a useless gun
[22:16] <nigelb> akgraner: you always carry a gun?
[22:16] <akgraner> we have one speaker who will only speak at events where he can carry his weapons too
[22:16] <cjohnston> thats awesome
[22:17] <akgraner> nigelb, nope not always - but sometimes - it's a right I have and if I don't exercise that right I am afraid my government will try to take it away
[22:18] <akgraner> so I encourage everyone to get their conceal carry permits whether they intend to use it or not
[22:18] <cjohnston> yay for akgraner !
[22:18]  * cjohnston found a new best friend
[22:18] <akgraner> hehe
[22:19]  * cjohnston needs to do better at carrying all the time
[22:19] <paultag> akgraner, still don't have it :(
[22:20] <akgraner> cjohnston, I hope I never have a reason other than sport shooting to use it
[22:20] <cjohnston> I agree..
[22:20] <cjohnston> but id atleast like a chance if needed
[22:21] <paultag> akgraner, still not on her flickr :(
[22:21] <maco> akgraner: oh i know who you mean there. he's from salamanda town an they call it salanda town on accoun o they only gots salamandas an snakes an if  they called it snake town aint nobody wanna live there...
[22:22] <akgraner> I drew my handgun one time on a kid that was breaking in our house - Pete was deployed - and if I hadn't looked twice and noticed that this kid (I later found out he was only 15) only had a crowbar in his hand I would have shot him...
[22:22] <akgraner> paultag, they are on her FB page
[22:22] <cjohnston> wow
[22:22] <cjohnston> nice
[22:22] <paultag> akgraner, Awwwww!
[22:22] <cjohnston> I've never drawn..
[22:23]  * nigelb plants to wears kelvar suit to UDS, espcially UWN session
[22:23] <cjohnston> In my neighborhood, I could really care less their age... based upon the crimes that happen here and the age of the offenders
[22:23] <akgraner> it was enough to make me learn other ways to feel safe at home
[22:23] <cjohnston> Hope normally sleeps with a gun when im not home
[22:23]  * JFo has his arsenal^Wguns loaded up and ready for UDS
[22:24] <maco> if i ever have an armoury in my home, it will be stocked with crossbows
[22:24] <cjohnston> lol
[22:24] <maco> and maybe an english longbow for good measure
[22:24] <akgraner> I don't ever want to be in that position again  - and I will exhaust all other options before reaching for a gun 1st ever again
[22:24] <maco> though i havent the muscle for a lonbow (yet)
[22:24] <cjohnston> what other options? expecially when in house
[22:24] <akgraner> paultag, nomorenegatives is the FB account
[22:24] <maco> cjohnston: karate
[22:24] <paultag> thanks akgraner :)
[22:24] <cjohnston> hah
[22:25] <maco> brasilian jujitsu... aikido
[22:25] <maco> actually aikido is a great one for women
[22:25] <nigelb> maco: wait you know karate?
[22:25] <maco> nigelb: no i dont
[22:25] <maco> nigelb: cjohnston asked what else you can defend yourself with in a house
[22:25] <paultag> akgraner, I'm hoping the black panther photo of me is not lame, me crosses fingers!
[22:25] <cjohnston> she'll karate chop you tho
[22:25] <akgraner> paultag, let me know if that doesn't work for you and I will just download them and post somewhere else for you
[22:25] <paultag> I'm all set akgraner :)
[22:25] <nigelb> maco: ah
[22:25] <maco> aikido is great for women because you can be becca-size and throw jfo over your hip
[22:25] <nigelb> cjohnston: haha
[22:25] <JFo> not if you tried that on JFo
[22:25] <nigelb> akgraner: might wanna look into that :p
[22:26] <JFo> I know a few things myself
[22:26]  * cjohnston sees no reason (expecially when home) to try any other defense tactics first... cause you never know what they have
[22:27]  * cjohnston had a date end when she found out i was armed.
[22:27] <maco> cjohnston: maybe because you dont want to kill?
[22:27] <akgraner> cjohnston, NC has some crazy laws about castle domain
[22:27] <cjohnston> I dont want to be killed
[22:27] <nigelb> heh, maco & cjohnston: Stop ;)
[22:27] <akgraner> and even if you are in the right - there is still a trial
[22:28] <JFo> "Rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6"
[22:28] <paultag> OK guys, what do ya'll think about me setting this as my photo -- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs336.ash2/61596_427394601965_283317221965_5081184_2922654_n.jpg
[22:28] <cjohnston> akgraner: really? here in my home if I feel threatened I'm allowed to use force.. on the street is a different story
[22:28] <cjohnston> JFo: +1
[22:28] <akgraner> FL is very different in those respects
[22:28] <cjohnston> lol
[22:28] <nigelb> paultag: Noooooo
[22:28] <nigelb> Its a Kubuntu T-shirt
[22:28] <paultag> nigelb, don't make me
[22:28] <cjohnston> hahahah
[22:28] <akgraner> cjohnston, I'll bring you the rule book
[22:28] <nigelb> hahaa
[22:28] <cjohnston> okie
[22:29] <akgraner> you can read it and be glad you are in FL
[22:29] <cjohnston> i need to get an updated one for here
[22:29] <cjohnston> but you can open carry!
[22:29] <nigelb> paultag: Its a seriously good photo :)
[22:30] <cjohnston> akgraner: I've heard horror stories of people OCing in C-Ville... Cops will harass you from what I hear... I didn't try when I visited
[22:31] <akgraner> C'ville is terrible for that kind of stuff
[22:32] <akgraner> but great if you want to visit UVA
[22:32] <cjohnston> which sucks... cause if somethings legal you shouldnt be harassed
[22:32] <nigelb> C'vile? OC? UVA?
[22:32] <JFo> Charlottesville VA
[22:32] <cjohnston> Charlottesville, VA, Open Carry, University of VA
[22:32] <JFo> Open Carry
[22:32] <JFo> right
[22:32] <cjohnston> lol
[22:32] <akgraner> paultag, I like the pics of the group
[22:33] <paultag> akgraner, me too
[22:33] <cjohnston> Hope doesnt think we can afford c-ville or va in general
[22:33] <akgraner> and the one of you out front is a good one
[22:33] <paultag> akgraner, I'm about to see if I can use them for some things :)
[22:33] <maco> cjohnston: wait you moving up by me?
[22:33] <cjohnston> I want to
[22:33] <akgraner> and the kid's reaction to the swag bag was great
[22:33] <akgraner> darn she did get the pic of me making faces at jcastro
[22:34] <paultag> akgraner, hahahaha
[22:34] <nigelb> akgraner: whre?
[22:34] <akgraner> paultag, did you see it  - I am sticking my tongue out at him
[22:34] <paultag> akgraner, I'm looking for great ones
[22:35] <akgraner> nigelb, pic 189 of 199 in the 1st Sat group of pictures
[22:36] <nigelb> akgraner: ahem, where are the pictures?
[22:36] <akgraner> paultag, pic 192 where I am behind you please tell me I am not flipping you off
[22:36] <paultag> akgraner, let me find it first
[22:36] <paultag> akgraner, I'm guessing you are
[22:37] <jono> jcastro, akgraner, nigelb ok, you all wanted calls with me
[22:37] <jono> who wants to go first?
[22:37]  * cjohnston is gonna cry
[22:37] <jono> oh, and cjohnston
[22:37] <jono> cjohnston, want to go first?
[22:37] <jono> call or IRC?
[22:37] <cjohnston> sure.. irc is fine..
[22:37] <jono> cool :-)
[22:38] <akgraner> nigelb, you wanna go next after cjohnston since it's late where you are?
[22:38] <jono> cjohnston, want to ping me?
[22:38] <paultag> akgraner, omg wow!
[22:38] <paultag> akgraner, you totally are!
[22:38] <akgraner> ahhhhh
[22:38] <nigelb> akgraner: I'm going to be up all night, you go ahead
[22:38] <akgraner> ok -- jono I got dibs after cjohnston :-)
[22:40] <akgraner> paultag, oops sorry about that
[22:40] <paultag> akgraner, :P
[22:40] <paultag> jcastro, awww! -- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs648.snc4/60826_427356896965_283317221965_5080414_1997192_n.jpg
[22:40] <jono> akgraner, cool
[22:43] <akgraner> paultag, she got some great pics
[22:43] <paultag> akgraner, for sure
[22:43] <paultag> akgraner, can you thank her for me? She never got back to my email
[22:44] <akgraner> paultag, I sure will and I'll give her the link to your post once you have it published
[22:44] <paultag> akgraner, thanks! :)
[22:46] <jono> akgraner, ok, cjohnston is all set, give me 2mins for a bio break and then let's roll
[22:46] <akgraner> paultag, look at pic 75 in out of 199 the guy in the center is holding a copy of Art of Community
[22:46] <akgraner> ok
[22:46] <paultag> akgraner, I saw that, that rocks :)
[22:47] <jono> :)
[22:49] <jono> akgraner, ok all set, but only have a few mins - skype?
[22:49] <akgraner> jono sure signing in now
[22:49] <jono> :)
[23:15] <jono> nigelb, want to go next?
[23:15] <nigelb> jono: yep
[23:15] <jono> nigelb, want to ping me?
[23:17] <cjohnston> hehehe
[23:23] <jono> jcastro, ok, are you still around?
[23:24] <jono> guessing he is away
[23:47] <duanedesign> http://ubuntuone.com/p/G0A/   Artist: NVIDIA 8400 during XV output with nouveau drivers :)
[23:59] <JanC> lol
[23:59] <JanC> that's pretty cool
[23:59] <JanC> but not very practical, I assume  ;)