| persia | tumbleweed, bilalakhtar, there are a number of packages in universe that are installed by default for Xubuntu or Ubuntu Studio: take care with these re: UIF | 01:59 |
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| persia | Oh, and Mythbuntu even has some things from multiverse. Anyway, `apt-cache show ${binary-package}` should show if anything belongs to any tasks: those are the packages to avoid. | 02:02 |
| wgrant | 3 | 02:26 |
| Byz4nt1n3 | Hey there... I am wondering if there is a good place for a complete newbie lean how to be a MOTU. | 02:37 |
| nigelb | No better place :) | 02:40 |
| Byz4nt1n3 | @nigelb so where do I start | 02:46 |
| Byz4nt1n3 | how does this whole thing work? ;) | 02:46 |
| lucidfox | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/intels-walled-garden-plan-to-put-av-vendors-out-of-business.ars | 04:14 |
| lucidfox | Free software is doomed? :( | 04:14 |
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| paultag_ | Hey MOTU. Anyone know of a way to get package data from a repo without having it in the apt sources file ( read: something that will get the data and output it ). | 04:53 |
| Pici | paultag_: What sort of data? | 04:54 |
| paultag_ | Pici: really really basic. Package version number, name, perhaps description and dowload location, but not even that matters so much | 04:54 |
| paultag_ | have a command like `magic-command --get-version package domain.tld' return something like 1.1.1-3 | 04:55 |
| Pici | paultag_: You can use the python-debian package/module to parse control files/Packages.gz | 04:56 |
| paultag_ | Pici: I think I'll do that. Just making sure I'm not re-inventing the wheel. Thanks :) | 04:56 |
| Pici | For quick things I usually just use rmadison to check what package versions we have across our active releases. | 04:56 |
| paultag_ | Aye, can rmadison ( Sheesh, I forgot about that command ) work with any domain / suite? | 04:57 |
| crimsun_ | it'll work with whatever is defined | 04:58 |
| Pici | It requires some cgi on the server to talk to. | 04:58 |
| paultag_ | Ahha | 04:58 |
| Pici | The manpage explains more | 04:59 |
| paultag_ | thanks Pici :) | 04:59 |
| Pici | paultag_: sure thing | 04:59 |
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| lucidfox | Is it okay for the upstream build system to install monochrome indicator icons to ubuntu-mono-dark/ubuntu-mono-light? | 05:33 |
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| \sh | siretart: fai 3.4.2 just landed in maverick...which fixes two bugs...so if you do the backport use this version | 08:38 |
| siretart | thanks | 08:42 |
| bilalakhtar | The title still mentions 'Feature Freeze in eff'ect | 09:11 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: right | 09:13 |
| bilalakhtar | though the final freeze is in effect now | 09:13 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: no | 09:13 |
| bilalakhtar | micahg: ?? | 09:14 |
| bilalakhtar | not yet? | 09:14 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: when the freeze the archive it will be, they haven't done so yet | 09:14 |
| micahg | bilalakhtar: usually happens some time during the morning UTC or US | 09:14 |
| bilalakhtar | :) Timezones matter a lot during freezes! | 09:15 |
| * micahg still has one more upload for main | 09:16 | |
| AnAnt | Hello | 09:54 |
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| vish | oh main gets frozen today! | 10:26 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: whoops, gnome-shell SRU doesn't seem to be building. I wonder if the pbuilder I tested in had lucid-updates enabled... | 11:03 |
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| persia | nhandler, Good day. It appears I've fallen out of ubuntu-sponsors, meaning I can't grant bilalakhtar membership there. If you wouldn't mind, could you add us both? | 12:29 |
| nhandler | persia: Done | 12:39 |
| persia | nhandler, Thanks. Can you make me an admin again, or does that wait on dholbach? | 12:40 |
| nhandler | persia: That needs Daniel. | 12:41 |
| persia | Heh, well, maybe some other folks will get the please add pings for a while :) | 12:41 |
| persia | Thanks again. | 12:41 |
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| borealis | Hello! I have an opensource java developer package called QtJambi that I want to get into the official package repos of ubuntu. How do I start such a process? | 13:31 |
| persia | borealis, For java applications, the first step usually involves stripping out all the third party binaries from the .jar and carefully reviewing the licensing. | 13:36 |
| persia | Much of the time, one ends up having to package a couple of libraries first. | 13:36 |
| borealis | I do have some experience in writing debian packages, but maybe that's not requested, maybe more a question of listing the jar files/examples that is needed. | 13:37 |
| persia | If the application builds using ant, packaging is usually fairly straightforward with rules.tiny. If not, one sometimes has to work around things. | 13:37 |
| borealis | Well, it's necessary to build a special form of Qt first, and then run ant. | 13:37 |
| persia | borealis, I'd recommend starting from http://pkg-java.alioth.debian.org/ to find examples. There's a number of good ones. Those updated more extensively more recently tend to be better. | 13:38 |
| persia | a special form of Qt? That sounds like a recipe for pain, as we try very hard to avoid code duplication (which makes it hard to maintain). | 13:38 |
| persia | You might want to start by seeing what could be done to system Qt to make it do what you need (whilst not breaking for anyone else) | 13:39 |
| borealis | Hmm, yeah, I know... | 13:41 |
| borealis | QtJambi consists of some JNI native so files + jar files containing the classes corresponding to the JNI stubs. | 13:43 |
| borealis | The most popular way of deploying this so far is by bundling all this in a so called native jar file, that is, both qt so files and qtjambi so files. QtJambi has a special classloader that is able to extract and load native so from these types of jars. | 13:45 |
| borealis | However, we might look at alternatives to be more "consistent" with how things are setup in a linux packaging regime. | 13:45 |
| borealis | Saves a lot of space I guess if we could just use system qt. | 13:46 |
| borealis | The main reason for the need of special compilation of Qt is the configure option -prefix=$PWD. Maybe you're already using this option when building various Qt releated packages? | 13:50 |
| persia | I'd suggest checking Qt buildlogs | 13:50 |
| borealis | Ok, where can I find this? | 13:51 |
| persia | launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/${package} has links to versions, and each version has links to builds for each architecture, and each build page has a build log. | 13:51 |
| persia | alternately, check the source packages, depending on whether you prefer to read pithy instructions, or the results thereof :) | 13:52 |
| bilalakhtar | There, I do my first sponsorship | 13:54 |
| bilalakhtar | micahg: done | 13:54 |
| bilalakhtar | tumbleweed: From the code, I am seeing that ack-sync is used to sync packages from Debian, as recent changes are in it. But somewhere, I read that syncpackage should do it (and that DOES it) and there is no such command ack-sync even after I install latest u-d-t from the branch. | 14:02 |
| tumbleweed | bilalakhtar: ack-sync uses syncpackage internally, and it's in the bzr branch (and source package) but not installed in the binary package | 14:02 |
| persia | It's really much better not to use syncpackage if it can be avoided. | 14:05 |
| persia | Better to pass bugs to the archive-admins who can do it cleanly on the archive master server | 14:05 |
| ari-tczew | can someone ping me for test? | 14:33 |
| borealis | persia: I've tried https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqtcore4 but cannot seem to get any hit... | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: like /ctcp ping ari-tczew ? | 14:34 |
| ari-tczew | shadeslayer: nope, just I needed highlight | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | oh :P | 14:35 |
| borealis | That is, I find this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/amd64/libqtcore4/4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5 | 14:36 |
| borealis | But, where do I find out about the configure flags from here? | 14:36 |
| shadeslayer | borealis: one sec | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44120364/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.qt4-x11_4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 14:38 |
| borealis | aha, great, let's see... | 14:39 |
| shadeslayer | borealis: also http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/rules | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | from line 84 | 14:41 |
| borealis | Hmm... -prefix "/usr" \ | 14:42 |
| borealis | -bindir "/usr/bin" \ | 14:42 |
| borealis | -libdir "/usr/lib" \ | 14:42 |
| borealis | That is maybe worrying for qtjambi building... | 14:43 |
| borealis | However, I will check with my fellow developer at the project, and test a little myself. | 14:44 |
| ari-tczew | shadeslayer: could you ping me again? | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: yeah :P | 14:46 |
| ari-tczew | shadeslayer: test done. thanks! | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | np | 14:47 |
| AnAnt | finalfreeze is for universe too ? | 15:38 |
| persia | AnAnt, Yes. This doesn't mean don't fix things, just take appropriate care, etc. | 15:40 |
| AnAnt | ok thanks | 15:41 |
| persia | Note that the criteria for FinalFreeze are more critical for packages that end up in some flavour image (regardless of component) than for other stuff, but still. | 15:41 |
| AnAnt | persia: I want to merge swt-gtk from Debian | 15:41 |
| persia | Does it fix some important bug? | 15:42 |
| AnAnt | bugs | 15:43 |
| AnAnt | persia: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/swt-gtk/news/20100915T161811Z.html | 15:43 |
| persia | AnAnt, `for i in $(apt-cache showsrc swt-gtk | grep Binary | cut -d: -f2 | sed s/,//g | head -1); do apt-cache show $i | grep ^Task; done` suggests it's not in any flavours : see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze | 15:44 |
| AnAnt | oh, it's in main | 15:45 |
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| persia | main/universe doesn't matter | 15:47 |
| AnAnt | it means that I need a sponsor | 15:47 |
| persia | Ah, well that might matter :) | 15:47 |
| persia | You shouldn't need a sponsor, but LP doesn't understand inverse packagesets yet. | 15:48 |
| AnAnt | inverse package sets ? what's that ? | 15:49 |
| persia | Ideally, MOTU ought be able to upload everything that isn't in one of the flavour packagesets. | 15:50 |
| persia | But there's a bundle of stuff that's stuck in "main" for historical reasons which MOTU can't upload currently. | 15:50 |
| persia | And there's no good way to identify that right now. | 15:50 |
| AnAnt | so, I'll still need a sponsor | 15:55 |
| AnAnt | persia: do I need to file an FFe for it ? | 16:02 |
| persia | If it breaks FF, yes. If not, use your own judgement (read: if you're unsure, file a bug) | 16:03 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: gnome-shell needs the new gjs to build | 16:05 |
| * micahg is test building | 16:06 | |
| micahg | tumbleweed: I don' | 16:07 |
| micahg | t see any more lintian warnings, so I'm attaching another debdiff | 16:08 |
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| tumbleweed | micahg: yeah, I assumed as much (after I saw the failures) | 16:09 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: I'm wondering why I never saw these lintian failures when I ran the build | 16:09 |
| micahg | maybe because I was using a chroot instead of pbuilder? | 16:09 |
| tumbleweed | pbuilder is a chroot... | 16:10 |
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| Byz4nt1n3 | hello all... | 16:38 |
| iulian | Hi Byz4nt1n3. | 16:55 |
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| Tetsuo55 | Hello, i would like to see the cppcheck packadge updated, what needs to be done for that to happen? | 17:27 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: in answer to your question, you can request a sync if it's but fix only | 17:28 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: if there are new features, you'll need an FFe | 17:28 |
| Tetsuo55 | what do you mean with " but fix only " | 17:28 |
| Tetsuo55 | oh | 17:28 |
| micahg | oops | 17:28 |
| micahg | bug :) | 17:28 |
| Tetsuo55 | so i just missed the regular update window :( | 17:28 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: feature freeze was a while ago, if there's a good reason to upgrade, you can still get it in | 17:29 |
| Tetsuo55 | the changelog is only bugfixes | 17:30 |
| Tetsuo55 | the tool is written in such a way that changes to features are transparent to the user | 17:30 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: k, then use the requestsync tool from ubuntu-dev-scripts to request a sync from Debian with 1.4.4 | 17:30 |
| Tetsuo55 | yeah 1.44 is already better, i use git-head myself, bugs get fixed every day, mostly false positives, error output and crashes | 17:32 |
| Tetsuo55 | im going to have to learn about that requestsync stuff, before i can actualy do it | 17:34 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: requestsync -h for help, the script when run walks you through the process | 17:36 |
| playya_ | moin | 17:38 |
| playya_ | is it possible to overtake an inactive project? | 17:38 |
| playya_ | i registered a branch called cornucopia, but it has been added to the cornucopia project | 17:39 |
| Tetsuo55 | im stuck on postfix configuration | 17:44 |
| Tetsuo55 | something about a mail server | 17:45 |
| micahg | oh, hmm | 17:45 |
| Tetsuo55 | ok got past it | 17:45 |
| Tetsuo55 | turns out i had to use TAB to navigate | 17:45 |
| Tetsuo55 | i need to select a packadge from debian stable i assume? | 17:48 |
| Tetsuo55 | or is unstable allowed too? | 17:48 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: any version | 17:49 |
| micahg | default is unstable | 17:49 |
| Tetsuo55 | ok | 17:49 |
| Tetsuo55 | this one i guess http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/cppcheck | 17:50 |
| Tetsuo55 | requestsync -d http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/cppcheck --lp -C | 17:52 |
| Tetsuo55 | tried that but it failed | 17:52 |
| Tetsuo55 | heh i clearly misunderstood how it works :D | 17:54 |
| Tetsuo55 | -s Force sponsorship << what does this do exactly? | 17:55 |
| Tetsuo55 | it looks like i should go for " requestsync --lp -C cppcheck " | 17:57 |
| Tetsuo55 | correct? | 17:57 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: shouldn't need -C, but you'll want to edit the report and add the upstream changelog | 17:57 |
| Tetsuo55 | gah need credentials | 17:58 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: yes, with --lp | 17:58 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: manage-credentials script can help | 17:59 |
| Tetsuo55 | this right manage-credentials create -c ubuntu-dev-tools -l 2 | 17:59 |
| Tetsuo55 | what level of rights does it need? | 18:00 |
| Tetsuo55 | i want to give it the least amount required | 18:00 |
| micahg | I think just read for this one | 18:01 |
| Tetsuo55 | i got it, change for non private data | 18:01 |
| Tetsuo55 | i have to agree that someone will review the update, thats correct right? | 18:03 |
| Tetsuo55 | and -s probably forces the packadge to get reviewed | 18:03 |
| Tetsuo55 | changelog for debian was made by official cppcheck dev, so i can keep it i guess? he didnt outright name the bugfixes though | 18:05 |
| Tetsuo55 | * New upstream release << thats all it says | 18:06 |
| Tetsuo55 | but 100's of bugs where fixed | 18:06 |
| === iulian changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Archive: Open | Maverick FINAL Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://is.gd/2y76G | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | latest rebuild failures: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi | ||
| Tetsuo55 | ok did i do it right? | 18:15 |
| Tetsuo55 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cppcheck/+bug/640655 | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 640655 in cppcheck (Ubuntu) "Sync cppcheck 1.44-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] | 18:15 |
| micahg | Tetsuo55: yes, but you might want to add the upstream changelog in the descrption as well so the sponsor can make an FFe decision | 18:24 |
| Tetsuo55 | ok | 18:30 |
| persia | playya_, You might want to ask in #launchpad | 18:33 |
| playya_ | ok | 18:33 |
| Tetsuo55 | i added a comment with the real changelog | 18:35 |
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| === iulian changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Maverick FINAL Freeze in effect - Fix bugs! | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://is.gd/2y76G | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | latest rebuild failures: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi | ||
| Quintasan | jcastro: ping | 18:52 |
| jcastro | Quintasan: pong | 18:53 |
| Quintasan | jcastro: mind if I go on /msg? | 18:54 |
| jcastro | sure | 18:54 |
| jcastro | I mean sure go ahead, not sure I mind | 18:55 |
| ari-tczew | launchpad janitor still not working? | 19:00 |
| ScottK | It's supposed to be fixed. | 19:08 |
| ScottK | lfaraone: Were you going to ask to have turtleart sync'ed? | 19:39 |
| lfaraone | ScottK: yeah, I filed bug 637735. | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 637735 in Ubuntu "Sync turtleart 98-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637735 | 19:40 |
| ScottK | OK. It could have been filed against the package, then it would be easier to find. | 19:41 |
| ScottK | Oh, wait. No you cant. | 19:41 |
| ScottK | The package page exists, but isn't active yet. | 19:41 |
| ScottK | Nevermind. | 19:41 |
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| fabrice_sp | Hi. I've just uploaded a fixed pythonmagick. As we are in Fina lFreeze, what steps should I follow to get it accepted? | 20:17 |
| fabrice_sp | ok: I just have to wait :-) Thanks to whoever accepted it | 20:20 |
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| ari-tczew | how can I upload SRU for lucid-proposed through bzr? | 22:30 |
| geser | you can't | 22:39 |
| ari-tczew | geser: could you be more verbose? tumbleweed has sponsored for some SRUs through bzr | 22:41 |
| geser | oh, then this is news to me. I remember that it's only possible to push to existing packaging branches but not create new ones. | 22:44 |
| geser | an unless things have changed you still need to dput a package even if you committed your changes to the packaging branch | 22:48 |
| ari-tczew | aha ok | 22:49 |
| lfaraone | geser: correct on both | 22:49 |
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