[08:05] <micahg> hi dpm
[08:05] <dpm> hey micahg
[08:05] <micahg> I had to revert the brunei translation since it wasn't utf8
[08:06] <micahg> dpm: did you do thunderbird also to just firefox?
[08:07] <dpm> micahg, ah, ok, thanks for the info, I'll tell translators to look into it, although I guess it might be to late to include it even if they fix it. I did TB as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop
[08:07] <micahg> luckily I know what Hebrew is :)
[08:08] <dpm> Yeah, I was going to say that they are missing the code, but it is pretty evident which language it is :-)
[08:08] <micahg> dpm: well, not if one doesn't know Hebrew, I just happen to know it :)
[08:08] <dpm> ah, cool :)
[08:08]  * micahg tries to get TB in before freeze
[08:09] <dpm> awesome, thanks micahg
[08:09] <micahg> dpm: np
[08:16] <micahg> dpm: which editor can I use to see the languages properly?
[08:18] <micahg> Isn't gl Galecian?
[08:19] <dpm> micahg, gl is Galician, they just copied the comment from Croatian :)
[08:19] <micahg> dpm: k, thought so :)
[08:20] <dpm> micahg, what do you mean which editor? Does gedit not display the characters properly?
[08:20]  * micahg was trying vim/gvim
[08:20]  * micahg tries gedit
[08:20]  * micahg needs to install gedit :)
[08:21] <micahg> abiword doesn't work
[08:22] <micahg> dpm: no, maybe I need a UTF-8 locale set
[08:23] <micahg> no dice
[08:23]  * micahg tries in the Hebrew locale
[08:26] <micahg> wow, even with a Hebrew locale it won't display (menus in Hebrew) :-/
[08:27] <dpm> micahg, oh, so you can fetch the translation but it will not get displayed in the FF menu entry? That's strange...
[08:27] <micahg> no, I'm having an issue viewing it in my editors
[08:27] <micahg> even when the menus are in Hebrew
[08:31] <dpm> oh, that's even stranger, I don't have a Hebrew locale, and I can see them well. I just do a copy paste from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop?action=raw into Gedit and they look fine (unless they are reversed and I don't notice)
[08:36] <dpm> fta, fta2, additional translations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ChromiumDesktop should be ready to fetch whenever you've got the time
[08:48] <micahg> dpm: how do I set my system locale
[08:51] <dpm> micahg, you can use gnome-language-selector to do it for you by dragging the wanted locale to be above English in the list. Or you can do it manually by setting the LANG environment variable (you can also set LANGUAGE or unset it altogether if you don't need to specify fallback locales)
[08:52] <dpm> in both cases you'll have to log out and log back in after the change
[08:53] <dpm> (and choose the wanted locale in gdm)
[08:53] <micahg> dpm: it's set for English, but my locale is C
[08:54] <dpm> I don't know off the top of my head if C is set explicitly in English installations. It might be that the en language code is used instead
[08:55] <micahg> no, I think it's just me
[08:59] <micahg> dpm: not sure what to do here
[09:01] <dpm> micahg, what's the problem exactly? Is it still that the Hebrew text is not rendered in any of your editors?
[09:01] <micahg> dpm: yes
[09:01] <micahg> so I can't edit the non-UTF-8 compliant bit
[09:01]  * micahg has to go to sleep shortly
[09:04] <dpm> micahg, have you tried to install the Hebrew locale, even if you don't use it? You can do it in gnome-language-selector, which will also install additional fonts. I haven't got it installed myself and I can see the Hebrew text properly in Gedit, but it might be worth a try
[09:04] <micahg> dpm: I have it installed
[09:04] <micahg> it has to be my system locale being set to C, but idk how to fix it
[09:05] <dpm> micahg, and running 'LANGUAGE=he gedit' does not help?
[09:05] <micahg> dpm: no
[09:06] <dpm> does anyone in the channel has got an English locale? What's the output of 'locale'?
[09:06] <micahg> and it won't open with the Hebrew locale set
[09:06]  * micahg tries geresh
[09:08] <micahg> nope
[09:11] <dpm> micahg, I think your locale should be set to LANG=en_US.UTF-8. Do you have LANG defined in  /etc/default/locale or /etc/environment ? You can change it manually there
[09:12]  * micahg checks
[09:13] <micahg> set in /etc/default/locale
[09:23] <micahg> dpm: chrisccoulson should be on in about an hour, maybe he can figure it out
[09:23] <dpm> micahg, yeah, thanks for all your help, I'll talk to Chris later on
[09:23] <micahg> dpm: here's what I have, so he has a starting point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494631/
[09:24] <micahg> I deleted the hebrew Name line since it wasn't UTF-8 comliant
[09:24] <micahg> compliant
[09:24] <micahg> dpm: np, next cycle, can we plan this for beta :)
[09:25] <dpm> ok, I'll point
[09:25] <dpm> Chris to the patch
[09:25] <dpm> debdiff
[09:25] <micahg> k, have a good day
[09:25] <dpm> you too, thanks :)
[09:25] <dpm> well, good night, I mean
[09:25] <micahg> actually a bzr diff
[09:26] <dpm> :)
[10:40] <fta2> dpm, where are they? i just see hu
[10:50] <fta2> i see one between gl and it but without langcode
[10:56] <fta2> (most probably 'he')
[10:57] <dpm> fta2, yeah, it is Hebrew, I've now added the code
[11:00] <dpm> chrisccoulson, if you are around already, could you look into merging the translations from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop ?. micahg has already provided a bzr diff as a starting point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/494631/, but had some problems with the Hebrew ([he]) translation. Could you perhaps pick it up from there?
[11:01] <dpm> I see that the existing [he] translations on the diff don't look quite right, either
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> dpm - yeah, sure
[11:04] <dpm> thanks chrisccoulson
[11:51] <gnomefreak> i miss a few days and i end up with 284 updates
[12:26] <gnomefreak> fta2: why wont chromium save passwords/forms/ect... is it a feature or bug?
[12:40] <fta2> gnomefreak, wfm, but sometimes, you have to type the 1st few letters of your login to help it refill the form
[12:40] <gnomefreak> 0k thanks
[12:41] <fta2> or on google services, they like to drop the cookie to force you to retype everything, a kind of security
[12:43] <gnomefreak> i can see why they would do that, i had to start with new profile but same as above
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, network problems? :)
[14:27] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, minor. why?
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i just noticed you keep getting disconnected ;)
[14:27] <cyphermox> I'm killing and restarting NM too to try to understand a bug :)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. that makes sense
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> see, it's such low traffic in this channel that i notice when people get disconnected a few times
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[14:28] <cyphermox> sorry :)
[14:31] <fta2> chrisccoulson, you can no longer see me flapping ;) i still do
[14:31] <fta2> °but
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - no, your connection appears to be solid now ;)
[14:31] <fta2> it's not, ~40 flaps per day
[14:42] <fta2> dpm, should i consider we'll not get more translations and merge the last two?
[14:52] <dpm> fta2, yeah, I'd say go for it
[14:56] <fta2> ok, even if there're more, as there are frequent updates, i can still adopt them later
[15:08] <Samed87> salve
[15:08] <Samed87> ho un problema con il buffer di youtube nessuno mi può aiutare
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> !it | Samed87
[15:22] <ubot2> Samed87: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[15:23] <Samed87> sorry ... I have a problem with buffer video on firefox
[15:24] <Samed87> do you can help me to fix it ?
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> Samed87, it depends what your issue is. but i'm pretty busy right now i'm afraid
[15:35] <Samed87> ok ... when you have a moment I can give you all the description
[16:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm running out for a few minutes, but is there anything I can help with before freeze?
[16:17]  * micahg didn't think the tb-locales update was necessary since we didn't pick up any new languages
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think we're ok
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - dpm mentioned you had an issue with the hebrew translation on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> what was the issue?
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> i've not had a chance to look at this yet
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, i've got the unit tests running on FF4.0 now :)
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> i will push the changes for that in a bit
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> well, everything except for mochitest so far
[16:22] <micahg> jdstrand: I'm still getting a few apparmor blocks for the Firefox profile in Maverick due to stuff that's in the archive, I'll file the bugs this weekend, you're call if it's worth breaking freeze for
[16:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, I can't get hebrew in an editor to see why the translation is having UTF-8 issues
[16:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: awesome on the unit tests
[16:23] <jdstrand> micahg: are you user-files in /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/ubuntu-browsers.d/firefox?
[16:23] <jdstrand> err
[16:23] <jdstrand> are you *using* user-files...
[16:24] <micahg> jdstrand: yes
[16:28] <jdstrand> micahg: I fixed /var/cache/fontconfig and it is in ubuntu2
[16:28] <micahg> jdstrand: yes, I saw, but my stuff is for gears and firefox-notify :)
[16:29] <jdstrand> I know of ~/.fontconfig and ~/.thumbnails when not using user-files
[16:29] <jdstrand> micahg: oh, yes, please file
[16:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll upload the TB .desktop translations w/out the Hebrew in about 40  minutes, we'll get the Hebrew in later/next cycle if need be
[16:38]  * micahg will bbiab
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, thanks
[17:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll get to gnash this weekend, I think we can probably still get lightning in as well
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not sure about lightning, nobody from ubuntu-release has commented on the bug yet
[17:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll start poking next week if no one replies by monday
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> i asked pitti, but he wanted somebody else to comment really, and i asked in #ubuntu-devel
[17:05] <micahg> it's going in universe, so we should be able to get a pass
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> it seems there is a large pile of FFe requests with no comments
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> tbh, i'm tempted to just upload it
[17:06]  * micahg thinks they're just busy
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, most likely. i hate being always blocked on other people though ;)
[17:06] <micahg> ah, the nature of collaborative efforts
[17:11] <fta> jdstrand, just uploaded .59 to maverick. do you want it for lucid, or do you want to wait for .55?
[17:12] <fta> jdstrand, i feel there's another sec update near the horizon..
[17:12] <jdstrand> fta: if possible, for lucid. maybe we can just reuse the bug you have for .59
[17:12] <jdstrand> err
[17:12] <jdstrand> for .55
[17:13] <fta> why? there's also bug 638736
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638736 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "6.0.472.55~r58392 -> 6.0.472.59~r59126 upgrade (affects: 1) (heat: 3699)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/638736
[17:14] <jdstrand> fta: I was not aware of that bug. we can just invalidate the other one when .59 is in -proposed
[17:14] <fta> you were in Cc
[17:16] <fta> jdstrand, next one has 3 sec bugs (2 high, 1 critical)
[17:16] <jdstrand> well then I forgot about it
[17:17] <jdstrand> regardless, it would be great to have .59 for -proposed unless the next one is imminent
[17:17] <fta> it is
[17:18] <jdstrand> then let's not bother-- it won't make it to -security before a week anyway
[17:18] <fta> ok, so when it's out, i'll re-update maverick, and merge the last 3 updates for lucid
[17:18] <jdstrand> fta: sounds perfect
[17:19] <fta> expected tomorrow
[17:19] <fta> (i'm trying to be proactive here)
[17:19] <jdstrand> fta: your proactivity is appreciated :)
 what does it take to have bug 636894 fixed??
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636894 in libvpx (Ubuntu) "please sync libvpx 0.9.2-1 from debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 3448)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636894
[17:31] <micahg> fta: a cupcake for an archive admin?
[17:32] <fta> micahg, remotely, it's not easy
[17:32] <micahg> heh
[17:32] <micahg> fta: would be better to get in now, maybe ask in -devel before Final Freeze
[17:33] <micahg> which is in 27 minutes :)
[17:35] <fta> pfff
[17:36] <fta> i really considering moving back to in-source libs
[17:36] <fta> i'm
[17:37] <fta> uhh, fta2 flapped??
[17:38] <micahg> fta: it actually needs a core-dev ack
[17:38]  * micahg forgot about that
[17:40] <fta> micahg, didrocks asked me to do it the way i did
[17:41] <micahg> fta: hmmm, well, is he ack'd it, that should be in the bug
[17:41] <micahg> *if
[17:41] <micahg> so the AA knows
[17:42] <fta> he's not there atm :(
[17:43] <micahg> fta: yes, on vacation, seb128 as well, you can paste the chat log if you have it where he said it's ok
[17:47] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: hi, where can i find information about mozilla addons?
[17:47] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: i need to update a couple of addons from 3.0 to 3.6
[17:47] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: and i've no clue of how to do that
[17:50] <fta> micahg, done
[17:50] <fta> now what?
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> nxvl - https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions is a good start
[17:51] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it seems i'm the only person left on the desktop team ;)
[17:51] <micahg> fta: just getting someone to do it, maybe ask in -devel
[17:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: really?
[17:52] <fta> micahg, already did, nada
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, everyone's on holiday or at conferences
[17:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I guess you have to hold down the fort
[17:56] <micahg> fta: in progress :)
[17:56] <micahg> fta: might want to thank cjwatson when he's done
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> actually, cyphermox is here too, so i'm not the only person :)
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, we're not frozen yet
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> i thought it was meant to be 1700UTC
[18:15]  * chrisccoulson should go on a last minute uploading frenzy
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> oh, actually, we are
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> was looking at the wrong bit in launchpad
[18:19] <fta> jdstrand, just read your last post to the t-b, maybe you can add the current situation of 3 sec updates in row hold back by the SRU process.. just to give a clear real-life example
[18:19] <jdstrand> fta: that is a good point
[18:20] <fta> jdstrand, also, regarding future libs, ch is considering libjpeg-turbo (which will require yasm >= 1.0.1)
[18:21] <fta> "in a row, held back"...
[18:21] <fta> i really need more sleep
[18:22] <micahg> fta: as a runtime dep or a build-time dep?
[18:23] <fta> build-time
[18:23] <fta> moz wants it too
[18:23] <fta> mozilla 573948
[18:23] <micahg> fta: ah, might be able to work around that then since builds are done in the security PPA
[18:23] <micahg> fta: yes, I know :)
[18:24] <micahg> fta: syncing is blocked on a soyuz bug ATM, but cjwatson made a note and will sync as soon as he can
[18:24] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 573948 in ImageLib "Replace libjpeg with libjpeg-turbo" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573948
[18:25]  * micahg got yasm 1.1.0 in maverick
[18:25]  * micahg has to run now, will bbiab
[18:26] <micahg> dpm: thunderbird was uploaded w/out the Hebrew, we'll have to figure it out later
[18:26]  * micahg is really off now
[18:27] <dpm> micahg, sure, thanks for taking care of this!
[18:28]  * dpm is off as well
[18:31] <fta> http://dailyshite.com/2010/08/if-dinosaurs-had-twitter/  :)
[18:39] <sebner> fta: hilarious, trying ff4.0b6 upstream binary from mozilla and then it doesn't even start xD missing libxul.so, even if it's present
[18:42] <fta> sebner, you're supposed to use the wrapper, it sets a LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[18:43] <sebner> fta: you mean run-mozilla.sh?
[18:43] <sebner> fta: run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute .
[18:43] <fta> sebner, hm, iirc, it's firefox. the real bin being -bin
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> sebner, just running the firefox wrapper should take care of all that
[18:44] <sebner> fta: that starts ubuntu ff 3.6.10
[18:44] <fta> lol
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> sebner, anyway, why are you downloading from mozilla? whats wrong with the daily builds? ;)
[18:44] <fta> sebner, go to that unpacked dir, and ./firefox
[18:45] <sebner> chrisccoulson: just a quick test, adding PPA is too slow :P
[18:45] <sebner> fta: ehm, I know ;) Don't think I'm a noob that typed "firefox" into the terminal
[18:45] <fta> sebner, sorry ;)
[18:46] <sebner> heh, np
[18:46] <fta> no offense intended
[18:46] <sebner> fta: nah, really no problem .. I'm sure you have to deal with such people a lot so nvm
[18:50] <fta> indeed
[18:50] <sebner> :)
[18:52] <sebner> fta: any other suggestion I should try?
[18:54] <fta> sebner, iirc, it's an issue with the code trying to resolve the symlinks
[18:55] <fta> or maybe not. try running the wrapper in trace mode (sh -x ./firefox)
[18:55] <fta> and paste what you get
[18:58] <sebner> fta: http://pastebin.com/k850Q79E
[18:59] <fta> hm, nothing's wrong in there
[19:00] <sebner> fta: ah, error found. It can't be run parallell to ubuntu firefox
[19:00] <fta> oh, right
[19:00] <fta> forgot about that one
[19:00] <sebner> :)
[19:01] <sebner> fta: is ff4b6 supposed to support <canvas> from html5 already?
[19:02] <fta> yes
[19:02] <fta> 3.5/3.6 too iirc
[19:02] <sebner> hmm
[19:02] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: just found a bug in /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/xpi.mk
[19:02] <fta> i use it in my own webapps
[19:02] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: there is something that says # clean build and remove all .xpi in top-level if a MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND is defined
[19:02] <sebner> fta: kk, thanks a lot for your help! :)
[19:02] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: and in the top of the file you have: MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND ?= xpi-pack $(CURDIR) $(MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG).xpi
[19:03] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: so it doesn't matter if i defined MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND or not it will clean the .xpi anyway
[19:05] <fta> jdstrand, you asked about the number of users of ch, i used to follow the evolution of our debs vs the google ones: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/popcon-20100915.png   but i don't have the repartition by PPA/dists (yet)
[19:06] <fta> in 2~3 days, we should re-gain the 1st place
[20:39] <yofel> hm, how does firefox identify what files it can open by itself? on launchpad apport attachments have <text/plain; charset="utf-8"> as type which it opens fine, but the retracer attaches files with <text/plain> as type and ffx tells me to open it in gedit. Any way to make firefox open those in a new tab too?
[20:40] <yofel> (firefox 3.6)
[20:57] <jcastro> fta: whoa, nice growth
[20:57] <jcastro> fta: that's -browser just what's in the archive right? no dailies?
[20:58] <fta> jcastro, nope, all merged. popcon is not smart enough
[20:59] <fta> jcastro, i keep asking the lp guys about the ppa stats, i'm even ready to code that in python if the api has what's needed, but i never get any answer
[21:00] <jcastro> fta: out of curiosity are you measuring the lag time between an upstream chrome release and how long it takes for an equivalent chromium release to hit the archive?
[21:05] <fta> jcastro, yes, somehow. my bot populates the -stable ppa within a few hours of google (tracking releases on http://omahaproxy.appspot.com/), or even sooner if i'm available when my tracker detects it and i force it manually, then I merge what needs to be merged and if that's fine (build + some tests), i can push to maverick
[21:05] <fta> jcastro, that could happen within a day, if there are build resources available
[21:08]  * jcastro nods
[21:09] <fta> grrr, disconnected
 jcastro, that could happen within a day, if there are build resources available
[21:10] <fta> * Disconnected ().
[21:10] <fta> jcastro, as for lucid, i usually prepare the debs at the same time as the maverick ones, and hand them over to jdstrand
[21:10] <fta> (did i miss something?)
[21:10] <jcastro> about how long does it take after you hand it to jdstrand?
[21:11] <jdstrand> I get it building in ubuntu-security-proposed immediately
[21:11] <jdstrand> well, after review
[21:12] <jdstrand> but then it might be the next day before it gets pocket copied to lucid-proposed
[21:12] <jcastro> ok, so it's not like a week or anything crazy like that?
[21:12] <jdstrand> (it has been longer in the past, but that is usu. the case)
[21:12] <jdstrand> we mostly are waiting for the build to finish
[21:12] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+publishinghistory
[21:12] <kees> jcastro: we need to get jono to record a song in death-metal style titled "CRUSHING THE BUILDDS!"
[21:12] <jdstrand> jcastro: fta is keen to remind me if it starts to slip :)
[21:13]  * jdstrand appreciates that (really :)
[21:13] <jcastro> ok so it's the same problem everyone else has, buildd's are slow
[21:13] <jcastro> there's nothing broken with the process itself is what I am getting at.
[21:14] <jdstrand> jcastro: well, yes, but our buildd is special
[21:14] <jdstrand> jcastro: so we get put to the front, but arm is still arm
[21:14] <jcastro> ah
[21:14] <fta> jcastro, there's a problem with SRU, it's too slow
[21:14] <jdstrand> our *ppa* is special (we don't have dedicated buildds)
[21:15] <jdstrand> jcastro: that is the issue-- the SRU process because chromium hasn't been given a micro/macro release exception
[21:15] <jdstrand> jcastro: it is being discussed in TB, but still not resolved
[21:15] <jcastro> yeah I was just going over the mail archive
[21:15] <jcastro> is there anything I can do to help?
[21:15] <jcastro> I feel bad when fta has to flail
[21:16] <jdstrand> jcastro: I don't think so. I poked kees (hi!) this week and it started a new exchange. I imagine it will be discussed at the next TB meeting
[21:17] <jcastro> I think we should make the chromium guys ubuntu developers and give them all the work. But evan wasn't keen on that when I proposed it, heh
[21:17] <jdstrand> heh
[21:18] <jcastro> is the tb aware of them switching to a 6 week release cycle?
[21:18] <fta> it's in one of the emails to the t-b ml
[21:18] <kees> I'm hoping to just drop the waiting period
[21:18] <jcastro> ah "Another piece of information worth noting is that upstream has been releasing so fast that the SRU 7 day period is blocking new updates."
[21:19] <fta> but it doesn't really matter, really. it doesn't make any difference, almost all stable updates are security updates, or regression fixes
[21:19] <fta> only a few are big jumps
[21:20] <jcastro> it's web-like deployments except with an application. Just when you think we've got The Debian Way(tm) all sorted out.
[21:20] <kees> heh
[21:20] <jdstrand> that's out the window with browsers these days
[21:21] <jcastro> yeah, then you find out they're probably going to do their entire OS like that.
[21:23]  * jdstrand notes his improper use of "'" in that email :(
[21:23] <jdstrand> at least we don't have to provide security updates for that OS
[21:39] <fta> been disconnected again and my bnc sucks, no backlog
[21:39] <fta> and irclogs.u.c is not realtime :(
[22:16] <fta> irclogs.u.c is only updated once an hour :(