[00:46] <Emerling> Hi World Free
[00:54] <pleia2> hello Emerling :)
[00:54] <Emerling> Hi friend thanks, Excuse me my English is bad
[00:54] <pleia2> we're rounding up board members and will start soon
[00:55] <pleia2> no problem
[00:55] <Emerling> ok i'm ready
[00:55] <pleia2> mi espanol es muy malo :)
[00:55] <Emerling> I undestand
[00:59] <dinda> Evening all
[01:00] <Emerling> dinda, good evening
[01:02] <pleia2> #startmeetin
[01:02] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[01:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:02. The chair is pleia2.
[01:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:02] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for September 15th, 2010! The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:03] <pleia2> We only have one applicant on the list this evening, so we shouldn't have trouble getting through the list :)
[01:03] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:03] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:03] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:04] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:04] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Emerling membership
[01:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Emerling membership
[01:05] <dinda> Welcome Emerling
[01:05] <Emerling> dinda, thanks
[01:05] <beuno> hola Emerling!
[01:05] <Emerling> hola beuno
[01:05] <easter_egg> Emerling, bien venido
[01:05] <dinda> good wiki page
[01:05] <Emerling> gracias easter_egg
[01:06] <pleia2> Emerling: please tell us a little about yourself :)
[01:06] <Emerling> I use Ubuntu since version 5.10 and I echo ubuntu conferences since 2007. without belonging to any group or team. in 2008 met LoCo Team Venezuela and I automatically fell in love with this community, thanks to Rolando Blanco and Efrain Valles. (Effijayxs). and since then I believe in the ideology of ubuntu and I think everyone needs a better future operating systems and computing in general.
[01:08] <pleia2> Emerling: carabobo-ubuntu.org.ve doesn't have a lot on it, what kind of events does the team do?
[01:09] <Emerling> carabobo is Regional team of ubuntu-ve
[01:09] <Emerling> today have one yeras old i m funder
[01:10] <Emerling> we pardticped in very conferences and festivals
[01:10] <Emerling> flisol, CNSL etc
[01:10] <pleia2> great :)
[01:11] <dinda> Emerling:  what did you do at fisol?
[01:11] <Emerling> but there is still much to do, we had over 10 events in participation with other lugs
[01:12] <Emerling>  I gave a conference and I was part of the organization
[01:12] <beuno> Emerling, hola
[01:12] <Emerling> hola beuno  hi
[01:12] <beuno> Emerling, contanos un poco mas
[01:12] <beuno> Emerling, en cuantos eventos participaste?
[01:13] <Emerling>  aprox 20
[01:13] <Emerling> en 2 yeras
[01:13] <Emerling> years
[01:13] <beuno> Emerling, podemos pasar al castellano si es mas facil
[01:13] <easter_egg> Emerling, mui bueno
[01:13] <beuno> dinda, pleia2 y maco dicen que pueden entender
[01:14] <Emerling> ok he participado en 20 eventos aprox en 2 años y estoy organizando varios equipos
[01:14] <beuno> y yo pregunto  :)
[01:14] <Emerling> en varias ciudades
[01:14] <beuno> Emerling, y que haces generalmente en los eventos?
[01:14] <Emerling> soy parte de la organizacion y siempre, pero siempre doy algunas conferencias en temas basicos y d enivel medio
[01:14] <Emerling> I am part of the organization and always, always give some lectures on basic topics enivel d half
[01:15] <Emerling> level half
[01:15] <beuno> Emerling, tuviste algo de participacion afuera del LoCo de Venezuela?
[01:16] <Emerling> if, before I get into ubuntu and conferencelectured Venezuela
[01:16] <beuno> Emerling, no hace falta que traduzcas al ingles, vayamos en castellano
[01:16] <Emerling> ok
[01:16] <easter_egg> Emerling, CNSL en Portugal?
[01:16] <Emerling> tambien soy parte de la traduccion de ubuntu al wayuunaiki idioma de la etnia indigena wayuu
[01:16] <Emerling> entre venezuela y colombia
[01:16] <beuno> Emerling, contanos un poco mas de las traducciones
[01:16] <beuno> donde haces las traducciones?
[01:17] <beuno> Launchpad?
[01:17] <Emerling> si
[01:18] <C3s4r> Emerling, pega el enlace acá por favor.
[01:18] <beuno> Emerling, en tu perfil de Launchpad no figuran traducciones desde el 2009
[01:18] <Emerling> yo intente usaruna aplicacion para traducir offline pero me gustó usar via on line
[01:18] <beuno> puede ser?
[01:18] <Emerling> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-guc
[01:19] <beuno> https://edge.launchpad.net/~emerling/+karma
[01:19] <easter_egg> Emerling, Usted tiene un usuario separado para las traducciones?
[01:19] <beuno> hola C3s4r!
[01:19] <Emerling> yo, organizo en las conferencias, y contatcos a personas que estan y quieren ayudar al proyecto de traducir y ellos colaboran, auqneu aun estamos en trabajo de colaboracion
[01:19] <beuno> C3s4r, justo para apoyar a Emerling   :)
[01:20] <pleia2> hola C3s4r :)
[01:20] <Emerling> del resto uso diccionarios de español a wayuunaiki
[01:20] <beuno> Emerling, trabajaste con Fabian Rodriguez?
[01:21] <Emerling> no recuerdo
[01:21] <beuno> Emerling, no parece muy activo el proyecto de traduccion
[01:21] <Emerling> generalmente con efraiun valles (effijaix)
[01:21] <nejode> effie_jayx
[01:22] <Emerling> si, desde dic, he tenido algunas dudas por yo no hablo el idioma., y he preferido organizar a los traductores
[01:22] <Emerling> y ewnseñarles a trabajar
[01:22] <Emerling> para lograr la traduccion
[01:23] <C3s4r> beuno, hola
[01:23] <C3s4r> beuno, te cuento que Emerling tiene una gran participación con el LoCo Teams.
[01:24]  * beuno nods
[01:24] <C3s4r> beuno, Emerling ahorita es mi apoyo para coordinar los equipos de trabajo que se planteo para darle oportunidad a toda la comunidad en administrar algún servicio.
[01:25] <beuno> C3s4r, buen testimonio
[01:25] <beuno> I'm ready to vote
[01:25] <C3s4r> beuno, por otra parte, se le dio la oportunidad de crear un equipo local con el apoyo del LoCo Teams, y hemos estado coordinando varias reuniones para las traducciones al Wuayunaiki.
[01:25] <beuno> pleia2, dinda, maco?
[01:25] <dinda> ready here
[01:26] <maco> sí
[01:26] <pleia2> [VOTE] Emerling membership
[01:26] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Emerling membership.
[01:26] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:26] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:26] <pleia2> +1
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:26] <beuno> +1
[01:26] <maco> +1
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:26] <dinda> +1
[01:26] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:26] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:26] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[01:26] <pleia2> welcome, Emerling!
[01:26] <Emerling>  thanks
[01:26] <beuno> bienvenido Emerling!
[01:26] <C3s4r> Emerling, Felicitaciones :D
[01:26] <Emerling> it is not just to get a email@ubuntu.com is much more treatises, a commitment to represent an operating system with dignity and value effort to improve, to accept your faults and mistakes but learn from those mistakes and faults. is ironic to imagine trying to be more commitment and duties, when we have too and enough in our lives, but the reason is motivation. to feel part of something serious and important and above all do with the heart.
[01:27] <dinda> congratulations Emerling!
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias amigos
[01:27] <JamUnix> Felicitaciones !!! Emerling
[01:27] <dinda> hope to see you at some event some day :)
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias james_w
[01:27] <easter_egg> =]
[01:27] <Emerling> sure dinda
[01:27] <ElWuilMeR> Felicitaciones Emerling sinceramente lo mereces.! A continuar trabajando...
[01:27] <pleia2> thanks for coming everyone :)
[01:27] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[01:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:27.
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias team venezuela
[01:27] <Emerling> gracias team carabobo
[01:27] <Niove> Felicidades y mucho éxitos, Emerling
[01:28] <C3s4r> Emerling, ;)
[01:28] <Emerling> i happy :D
[01:28] <Emerling> gracias Niove
[01:28] <nejode> Keep up the good work Emerling !!
[01:29] <Emerling> gracias nejode  fuiste parte esencial para mi y el equipode carabobo
[01:29] <Emerling> ahora con mas ganas d etrabajar y muchas ideas
[01:32] <ntovar> felicitaciones Emerling
[01:32] <Emerling> gracias ntovar  amigo nelo
[05:16] <Guest95561> Buenas instale Ubuntu 10.04 y tengo problemas alguien que me pueda ayudar?
[15:58] <ttx> o/
[15:58] <ogra> moo
[15:59]  * skaet waves to ttx, ogra ;)
[16:00] <skaet> ...  its looking like its about that time.
[16:00]  * marjo waves
[16:01] <skaet> ah good,  first on the agenda is around ;)
[16:01]  * ttx bows to the release masters
[16:01] <skaet> lol
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01]  * kenvandine waves
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update
[16:02]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:02] <marjo> Hardware testing
[16:02] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:02] <marjo> Laptops
[16:02] <marjo>     Passed:   42 (89%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  5 (11%)
[16:02] <marjo> Servers:
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:02] <marjo> Desktops:
[16:02] <marjo>     Passed:    6 (43%)    Failed:    0 ( 0%)    Untested:  8 (57%)
[16:02] <marjo> Cause of untested desktops is under investigation today.
[16:03] <marjo> Boot Performance
[16:03] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~ameetp/BootChart.html
[16:03] <marjo> Boot Performance Week of 2010-09-13 to 2010-09-17
[16:03] <marjo> -------------------------------------------------
[16:03] <marjo> Number of system regressions on Ubuntu Desktop: 0
[16:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~ameetp/BootChart.html
[16:03] <marjo> Unresolved Critical/High Release Targeted Bugs
[16:03] <marjo>     * 625076:checkbox fails to verify ssl validity in data exchange with launchpad.net
[16:03] <marjo>    - Fix released
[16:04] <marjo> Work Items Status
[16:04] <marjo>  * http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-platform-qa-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:04] <marjo>  * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-automated-server-testing
[16:04] <marjo>  hggdh will focus on finishing the last two remaining test cases
[16:04] <marjo>  * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-bugsquad-roadmap
[16:04] <marjo>  ara is making good progress on both
[16:04] <marjo> burndown chart looks good and work items are making good progress towards release
[16:04] <marjo> skaet: that's it from QA team
[16:05] <skaet> marjo,  thanks!  any questions?
[16:05] <marjo> skaet: thx
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update
[16:05] <jdstrand> o/
[16:06] <skaet> 8/
[16:06]  * jdstrand lied about not being able to attend in google
[16:06] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:06] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:06] <jdstrand> With regard to the burndown chart, what is left for us is not tied to
[16:06] <jdstrand> the release, so we are good there.
[16:06] <jdstrand> We got AppArmor 2.5.1rc1 uploaded, which fixes several issues with the
[16:06] <jdstrand> userspace tools and the maverick kernel. We want 2.5.1final in maverick
[16:06] <jdstrand> eventually because it fixes a few more issues when using a non-Ubuntu
[16:06] <jdstrand> mainline kernel without the compatibility patches (LP: #626984). We
[16:06] <jdstrand> expect this to happen as part of the debugging process the kernel team
[16:06] <jdstrand> typically employs where they point users to a build of an upstream
[16:06] <jdstrand> kernel. Since this doesn't affect maverick directly, we've milestoned it
[16:06] <jdstrand> for maverick-updates.
[16:06] <jdstrand> bug #626984
[16:07] <jdstrand> beyond that, we are in good shape
[16:07] <skaet> jdstrand,  thanks!
[16:07] <jdstrand> sure :)
[16:07] <skaet> any questions for security?
[16:08] <skaet> ok then,   moving right along...
[16:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update
[16:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:08] <ogasawara> For the bugs noted in the agenda, status is as follows:
[16:08] <ogasawara> Bug 633392 - Have asked for testing and confirmation against a Maverick kernel.
[16:09] <ogasawara> Bug 628029 - Assigned to kernel dev (lag) and the fix appears straightforward.  However, ogra commented that the hw might not be ready for it.
[16:09] <ogasawara> Bug 615722 - We don't support a fsl-imx51 kernel in Maverick.  Still waiting for clarification from the assigned kernel dev (cooloney).
[16:09] <ogasawara> Bug 613083 - Assigned to kernel dev (jjohansen) and being investigated.
[16:09] <ogasawara> I'd also moved two bugs that were under our section on the agenda to other teams as one was against pulseaudio and the other against plymouth.  The remaining bugs are either closed as Invalid or Fix Released for Maverick.
[16:09] <skaet> sweet
[16:09] <ogasawara> As a general status, we've uploaded what we hope to be the final Maverick kernel, 2.6.35-22.32.  This kernel contains some high priority security fixes, reverts some KMS disablement patches, and pulls in a number of upstream stable bug fixes.  We continue to be below the trend line for our overall burn down chart and all remaining work items are not release critical.
[16:09] <ogasawara> There is chatter just this morning of broken touchpads that we're trying to track down and might requi
[16:09] <ogasawara> re a last minute upload :(
[16:10] <ogasawara> Have pushed test kernels for confirmation.
[16:10] <ogasawara> Questions?
[16:10] <jjohansen> Bug 613083 - is entirely Amazon, and they are addressing the issue
[16:11] <skaet> if there needs to be another kernel - what other bugs are in the queue to be resolved with it?
[16:11] <ogasawara> skaet: there might be one patch for macbooks which don't boot the livecd
[16:11] <apw> we have a macbook pro live CD boot fix in the pipe
[16:11] <cjwatson> oh, is that the kernel's fault?
[16:12] <cjwatson> there's also an issue with syslinux and old macbooks, apparently (unlikely to be fixed)
[16:12] <cjwatson> may or may not be the same thing (probably not, thinking about it)
[16:12] <ogasawara> skaet: there is also a patch to resolve a null pointer dereference for LIRC
[16:12] <cjwatson> smagoun was reporting it
[16:13] <apw> cjwatson, this is specific to graphics, black screen on those models
[16:13] <cjwatson> ok
[16:13] <cjwatson> not the same then
[16:13] <skaet> ogasawara,  thanks , good to know.
[16:14] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:14] <apw> if we do decide to spin the kernel when is the drop dead date for the release team
[16:14] <skaet> robbiew: ^^
[16:14]  * cjwatson hates giving drop-dead dates, we always end up dropping dead
[16:14] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:14] <apw> cjwatson, heh yeah there is that
[16:14] <skaet> lol
[16:15] <apw> perhaps we should say we'll get you a recommendation today
[16:15] <robbiew> apw: that works
[16:15] <cjwatson> up to next Thursday would be unlikely to cause significant practical problems, IMO
[16:15] <cjwatson> beyond that will be a headache
[16:15] <robbiew> yeah
[16:15]  * robbiew remembers Intrepid...and cries a bit
[16:15] <skaet> cjwatson, robbiew - thanks.  :)
[16:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update
[16:16] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs
[16:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#RC%20Milestoned%20bugs
[16:16] <cjwatson> ... for full details of bugs, read above
[16:16] <cjwatson> Bug:606373 - cloud-init output does not get to console when booted with pv-grub and ramdisk
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * The plymouth part of this seems to have been worked around in cloud-init 0.5.15-0ubuntu2.  Can the server team please confirm?
[16:16] <cjwatson> We're getting down to the intractable bugs (remote bootloader debugging, hard-to-reproduce failures ...) at this point, which may require release-noting.
[16:16] <cjwatson> Work still in progress:
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * Wubi validation and any GRUB upgrade fixes required
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * dmraid installation fixes
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * ureadahead OOM
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * ubiquity consolidation
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * any remaining upgrade failures
[16:16] <cjwatson>  * possible upgrade to llvm-2.8
[16:16] <cjwatson> doko would like a freeze exception for bug 632727 (llvm-2.8).  I think this is likely OK since none of the affected packages are on CDs, and I trust his judgement on matters toolchain.  Any comments?
[16:16] <cjwatson> ttx: ^- server question
[16:17]  * ttx looks
[16:17] <skaet> cjwatson,  what's up with linuxtools and the CD images?
[16:17] <cjwatson> I think that's stale packages on the DVD images, which are only built once every few days
[16:17] <cjwatson> note the ABI is -20
[16:18] <skaet> ok thanks.
[16:18] <ttx> cjwatson: i've trouble weighing the benefits on the spot... but I trust doko's judgement on that one
[16:18] <cjwatson> yeah, the Ubuntu DVD was last built 20100914
[16:18] <cjwatson> ttx: I meant the plymouth question actually, bug 606373
[16:18] <ttx> ah
[16:19] <cjwatson> while I can see a possible cause, if you've worked around it, I would rather not change plymouth unnecessarily
[16:19] <ttx> oops
[16:19] <ttx> smoser: ^
[16:19] <doko> ttx, cjwatson: it's not yet used a build dependencies
[16:19] <cjwatson> doko: right, I looked at it and it seemed relatively harmless; I just wanted to double-check with other release folks before saying yes
[16:20] <smoser> that is fixed
[16:20] <cjwatson> smoser: so if I mark the plymouth task wontfix for maverick and keep it open for natty, that would be OK with you?
[16:20] <ttx> so can be wontfix for maverick
[16:21] <smoser> well, worked around.
[16:21] <smoser> yes, thats what i was going to suggest cjwatson
[16:21] <smoser> thanks
[16:21] <cjwatson> right, great, thanks
[16:21] <ttx> smoser: thanks for your expert eye
[16:21] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:21] <skaet> [TOPIC] server team update
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  server team update
[16:21] <ttx> yay
[16:21]  * skaet waves
[16:21] <ttx> Updated release status at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:22] <ttx> no more release-milestoned bugs
[16:22] <ttx> 3 other high/critical maverick bugs
[16:22] <ttx> Bug 628055 - Instances don't start correctly: Security Labeling error running aa_change_profile (Daviey): more investigation needed
[16:22] <ttx> a bit strage, seems to happen only on i386, and we almost always test on amd64
[16:23] <ttx> we plan to spend testing cycles next week on that one
[16:23] <ttx> Bug 582963  - apache2 SSL pass phrase dialog can't read input (zul): need input from upstart overlords on how to do it without breaking everything else
[16:23] <ttx> we tried to fix that one and broke something else... so we'd welcome input on how to fix it.. or if it should be kept the way it is for maverick
[16:23] <ttx> and releasenoted
[16:24] <ttx> (I'm fine either way, it already affects lucid)
[16:24] <cjwatson> are you already using plymouth commands to prompt?
[16:24] <cjwatson> or are you trying to talk directly to the console?
[16:24] <ttx> current try was to talk directly to console
[16:24] <cjwatson> ah, don't do that
[16:24] <cjwatson> use 'plymouth ask-for-password'
[16:24] <ttx> zul: ^
[16:25] <zul> ah ok
[16:25] <cjwatson> if you want to make it backwards-compatible, you could use 'if command -v plymouth >/dev/null 2>&1 && plymouth --ping; then ...'
[16:25] <zul> like cryptsetup?
[16:25] <cjwatson> but that may not be necessary
[16:25] <cjwatson> yes
[16:25] <ttx> Bug 629005 - libmysqlclient / mysql-cluster upgrade snafu (zul): under investigation, should be fixed soon
[16:26] <ttx> doko just added bug 641384, I'll look into it.. next week
[16:26] <ttx> Maverick bugs affecting server, in other teams:
[16:26] <cjwatson> (using plymouth for this also means that if multiple things are starting in parallel and each need password input, then they'll queue up rather than fighting over the console)
[16:26] <ttx> waiting on archive admins on bug 638421 and bug 638424
[16:26] <ttx> Foundations: bug 569900
[16:27] <ttx> not sure we'll have time for a shot at this one
[16:27] <cjwatson> I'll process those archive bugs today
[16:27] <ttx> Kernel: bug 613083 and bug 606373
[16:28] <ttx> that last one was just closed, methinks
[16:28] <ttx> and the first one is actively worked on
[16:28] <cjwatson> I suspect that 569900 will go away when we switch to a new mdadm metadata version, but unfortunately that isn't feasible for maverick
[16:29] <cjwatson> (this is a bit of a guess though)
[16:29] <skaet> cjwatson, ttx:  on the latest QA report, Bug 641259 seems to be prominent - is someone looking at it?
[16:29] <ttx> cjwatson: maybe mark it wontfix for maverick, so that I stop bothering you about it :)
[16:29]  * ttx looks
[16:29] <cjwatson> skaet: I was just talking with fader about that
[16:30] <skaet> cool.
[16:30] <cjwatson> skaet: I gave him a few suggestions, but, well, see my comment above about intractable problems like remote bootloader debugging
[16:30] <fader_> Yeah, this one is tough to pull data out of :(
[16:30] <skaet> as long as its on the radar....
[16:30] <cjwatson> if it's a tiny little netbook then ship one to me and I can probably fit it into my study somewhere
[16:31] <cjwatson> like glued to the ceiling or something
[16:31] <skaet> heh
[16:31] <cjwatson> if it's bigger than that it'll be difficult
[16:31] <ttx> so all in all, not too bad two weeks before RC.
[16:31] <skaet> thanks ttx :)
[16:31]  * ttx bows again
[16:31] <cjwatson> fader_: BTW, is it reproducible with a normal interactive install, rather than through the automatic install framework you guys use?
[16:32] <fader_> cjwatson: Yes, it is
[16:32] <fader_> cjwatson: Though still installed via PXE; I haven't tried with a physical CD yet
[16:32] <cjwatson> ok, well, if it reproduces with that and it's a netbook then maybe it would be possible to ship it to me temporarily?
[16:32] <cjwatson> I'm unlikely to be able to fix it otherwise
[16:32] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop team update
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update
[16:33] <kenvandine> ok
[16:33] <kenvandine> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:33] <kenvandine> Had a bit of a scare on Wednesday, the mesa upload that fixed KDE and some other problems completely broke UNE.  But that is all fixed now
[16:33] <kenvandine> thanks to everyone that helped with that :)
[16:33] <kenvandine> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs?searchtext=desktop-maverick
[16:33] <kenvandine> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs?searchtext=desktop-maverick
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:33] <kenvandine> burndown is looking good
[16:34] <kenvandine> we are well on track for maverick
[16:34] <kenvandine> i think that is all i have, questions?
[16:35] <skaet> is it likely that most of the bugs on the list will get fixes in place in time?
[16:35] <kenvandine> not sure... we hope of course
[16:35] <kenvandine> seb128 would know better :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> sorry
[16:35] <skaet> :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> most are assigned
[16:36] <kenvandine> the one i am hoping for most is bug 551809
[16:36] <kenvandine> i think we have at least a lead on tracking that down
[16:36] <kenvandine> so progress, but it has so many dupes
[16:36] <skaet> gotcha.   thanks for the update.  :)
[16:36] <kenvandine> np
[16:37] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:37] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One team update
[16:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One team update
[16:37] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:37] <joshuahoover> hi! the list of high/critical u1 project bugs are found on that release status page i posted
[16:37] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:37] <joshuahoover> we did our best to get the most important u1 bugs fixed for final freeze but still have some that we'd like to get in (by tuesday) if permitted...we had one key u1 team member out sick early this week which really hurt our ability to get everything done
[16:38] <joshuahoover> i'll provide the 7 bugs (in rough order of importance - most important listed here first) that we'd like freeze exceptions on with a little info on each...
[16:38] <joshuahoover> bug #617656 - causes nautilus to hang when u1 is asking for a lot of folders...very hard to troubleshoot but we think we have a fix that we're testing right now
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #640392 - fix to show proper emblems on folders in nautilus (rather than showing "updating" emblem across synced folders)
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #634384 - not sure yet if this is client or server, trying to confirm now...prevents the music store from connecting after initial sign-in/up to u1...store works after rbox restart, but this is a bad 1st impression
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #639835 - fixes an issue for desktopcouch apps where requests to couchdb views would fail if couchdb crashed after requesting a view - we'll be requesting a lucid sru for this one
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #639017 - fixes a timeout condition from u1 syncdaemon that can occur when other apps like u1-preferences, etc. call syncdaemon
[16:39] <joshuahoover> bug #638187 - fixes a regression in the u1sdtool that caused --list-shared to not show the current list of u1 shares
[16:40] <joshuahoover> bug #640438 - fixes ubuntuone-preferences verbose output when started from the terminal
[16:40] <joshuahoover> i'm was planning on subscribing ubuntu-release to these and propose for maverick (for those that aren't) unless there are immediate objections
[16:40] <skaet> sounds good
[16:41] <joshuahoover> that's it from ubuntu one unless there are questions :)
[16:42] <skaet> robbiew,  cjwatson,  do you want these marked in the system in any special way?  (FFe? )
[16:42] <skaet> thanks joshuahoover
[16:43] <robbiew> nah...they're bugs not features anyway
[16:43] <skaet> ok.  thanks.
[16:43] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu team update
[16:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu team update
[16:44]  * skaet looks around for Riddell, ScottK?
[16:44] <kenvandine> Riddell is on holiday
[16:45] <skaet> ok,  seeing ScottK seems to be indicated as away
[16:45] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience team update
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience team update
[16:46] <kenvandine> davidbarth_, did you get reconnected ok?
[16:46] <davidbarth_> just reconnected
[16:46] <davidbarth_> yes, sorry
[16:46] <skaet> cool,  whew.
[16:46] <davidbarth_> the report is up there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:47] <davidbarth_> here is a quick summary
[16:47] <davidbarth_> most of the bugs that were tracked for the release are fixed, like flash video running fullscreen again on unity
[16:47] <davidbarth_> memleaks and visual artifacts on QL are fixed, somehow
[16:47] <davidbarth_> somehow, because we're still seeing some resurgences of them
[16:48] <davidbarth_> so we're still hard at work hunting the remaining parts of that
[16:48] <davidbarth_> we've landed some more changes covered by FF exception reuqests
[16:49] <davidbarth_> and last, but not mentioned in the report but we had to revert some changes in libdbusmenu-qt because of some processe issues
[16:49] <davidbarth_> we're working with kubuntu and upstream developers to resolve that
[16:50] <davidbarth_> it does not impact the release afaict as the changes have been split and reintegrated as distro-patches while we re-roll the full assignment process
[16:50] <davidbarth_> questions?
[16:50] <skaet> thanks for the summary davidbarth_
[16:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update
[16:51] <ogra> wohoo
[16:51]  * ogra waves ARMs
[16:51] <skaet> heh
[16:51] <ogra> Detailed status at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:51] <ogra> ...
[16:51] <ogra> Short summary:
[16:51] <ogra>  * Lots of fixes went into jasper (out firstboot configuation tool for the preinstalled images) which we could not test yet (needs a successfull image build) there might be additional bugs to come from these.
[16:51] <ogra>  * A TI ppa apturl icon was added to the default install to make use of the awesome work from mvo to make it easy for users to install the TI maintained addon packages on the omap4 image
[16:51] <ogra>    (a packagelist is still to come as well as an EULA text and an icon from TI, these will need freeze exceptions).
[16:51] <ogra>  * TI released it's 3D drivers for omap3 boards under a redistributable license, work has being done by rsalveti to get these packaged and we would really like to see them in the archive before release,
[16:51] <ogra>    testing (together with linaro) is going on (will likely need a freeze exception for the new packages into uni/multiverse) having these packages might improve the KDE/kubuntu-mobile experience a lot on omap3 BTW.
[16:51] <ogra>  * Due to bug 633227 we had to revert the use of the full gigabyte on the omap4 images, kernel fixes are being worked on to get full access to all RAM back.
[16:51] <ogra>  * Massive work is being done by the whole team this week to fix issues with sound on the pandaboard, preferably this should be fixed in the ASoC driver, but if this is not possible we would like to add alsa-lib quirks
[16:51] <ogra>    (scripts similar to Intel HDA audio under /usr/share/alsa ... potential freeze execptions for alsa-lib, pulse and jasper)
[16:51] <ogra>  * The FTBFS list on qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs is largely empty for main (armel) openoffice is still on it and some kde packages that are being worked on are there too. doko is working on openoffice currently.
[16:51] <ogra>  * Bug 605042 is still under investigation how to solve it.
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Spec Status:
[16:52] <ogra> Entire http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[16:52] <ogra> Release http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10.html
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Remaining specs:
[16:52] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubun
[16:52] <ogra> grmpf
[16:52] <ogra> Remaining specs:
[16:52] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-omap-edid-autodetection
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> 4 Bugs targeted for Final release
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Blocker Bugs:
[16:52] <ogra> bug 633227
[16:52] <ogra> bug 637947
[16:52] <ogra> ...
[16:52] <ogra> Expected serious impact for final release (section did not change, leaving here as a general reminder):
[16:52] <ogra> We will get the final hardware for OAMP4 only very late in september or even in early october, it might be necessary that the OMAP4 image release gets delayed
[16:52] <ogra> The above will also likely require late kernel and bootloader package changes and uploads to the archive. since the Hardware does not exist yet it is unprdictable in which amount the impact is.
[16:52] <ogra> my paste was actually to long this time ... i need to work on that
[16:53] <skaet> heh,  no worries.
[16:54] <skaet> for the blocker bugs - any concerns?
[16:54] <ogra> not yet, we're all working on the sound issueas good as we can
[16:54] <skaet> fair 'nuf.
[16:54] <ogra> and TI is working on the mem issue
[16:55] <ogra> given that we dont have the fully final kernel yet and need a freeze exception for it anyway, all should be fine
[16:55] <skaet> thanks.  :)
[16:55] <ogra> i hope we can get all fixes into one upload here
[16:55] <ogra> done :)
[16:55] <ogra> (and thanks)
[16:55] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU update
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU update
[16:56]  * skaet wonders if there's anyone here to cover this today?
[16:57] <skaet> hmm.... guesses not.
[16:57] <skaet> skipping along then
[16:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro Update
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro Update
[16:57] <JamieBennett> Hi Kate. So from the Linaro side.
[16:57] <JamieBennett> [LINK] http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/LinaroStatus
[16:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/LinaroStatus
[16:57]  * ScottK has just arrived.
[16:57] <skaet> hi JamieBennett
[16:58] <JamieBennett> We are looking quite good. Nothing glaring as far as work to push into the release.
[16:58]  * skaet plans to circle back to ScottK after JamieBennett 
[16:58] <ScottK> OK
[16:58] <JamieBennett> Linaro release meeting yesterday -
[16:58] <JamieBennett> [LINK] http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2010-09-16
[16:58] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2010-09-16
[16:58] <JamieBennett> Waiting on a fix from Scott on bug 600359 and most other bugs are either fixed and need verifying or minor changes will be done.
[16:58] <JamieBennett> Images are being tested more so we may get more bugs found.
[16:58] <JamieBennett> We actually have more images now due to some changes in the way images are built (hardware packs) that fixed some building bugs.
[16:59] <JamieBennett> We are also coming up with a policy for Linaro's extra month (Linaro releases 10.11) and SRU's, I'll co-ordinate with you when I have a plan ;)
[16:59] <JamieBennett> Thats all for Linaro.
[16:59] <robbiew> JamieBennett: the fix for 600359 is on it's way, should have it next week
[16:59] <JamieBennett> robbiew: great :)
[16:59] <ogra> \o/
[17:00] <ogra> we'Re waiting for so long already !
[17:00] <skaet> JamieBennett, will talk to you about it on monday
[17:00] <ogra> thats good news
[17:00] <JamieBennett> skaet: OK
[17:00] <skaet> any other questions/comments?
[17:01] <skaet> thanks JamieBennett
[17:01] <skaet> ScottK,  how's it look from your perspective?
[17:01] <ScottK> Not bad.
[17:01] <robbiew> ogra:  yeah...he was thinking he could provide a much more comprehensive fix, but it kept regressing boot speed...so he plans to just lower the amount of memory ureadahead reserves
[17:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU update - take 2
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU update - take 2
[17:01] <ogra> robbiew, sweet
[17:02] <ScottK> Kubuntu is coming together reasonably well.  We're doing a lot of cherry picking from kdesvn because due to the accelerated release schedule we won't get KDE 4.5.2.
[17:02] <ScottK> (I figured I'd cover both)
[17:02]  * skaet nods
[17:02] <ScottK> Most of the important installer bugs appear to have been addressed.
[17:02] <ScottK> As a note, Mesa needs an upload to revert the workaround for the clutter problem that was affecting Unity.
[17:03] <ScottK> (clutter got fixed, but the workaround is still there)
[17:03] <robbiew> kenvandine: ^^
[17:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:04] <ScottK> Most of the serious problems we have remaining seem to be X/video driver related, but with the Mesa update things are much improved.
[17:04] <kenvandine> robbiew, i'll follow up on that
[17:04] <skaet> thats good to hear.
[17:04] <robbiew> kenvandine: thnx
[17:04] <ScottK> kenvandine: There's also a X crash on logout bug (I'll get you the number in a moment) that would be really good to have addressed (I believe the problem is understood)
[17:05] <kenvandine> ScottK, ok
[17:05] <kenvandine> lets get it targeted then
[17:05] <kenvandine> if it isn't already
[17:05] <ScottK> We have a new KDE bluetooth stack this cycle and we will be the first distro to release with is, so upstream has been very engaged with us.  The should be the best Kubuntu bluetooth experience in approximately forever.
[17:05] <ScottK> kenvandine: It is.
[17:06] <ScottK> I just don't have the number handy.
[17:06] <kenvandine> ok
[17:06] <ScottK> That's it for Kubuntu.
[17:06] <skaet> nice about the bluetooth stack.
[17:06] <skaet> how are things looking on the MOTU side?
[17:06] <ScottK> kenvandine: It's Bug 628077
[17:07] <ScottK> Making progress, but FTBFS and NBS still need work.
[17:07] <kenvandine> oh, and has a patch
[17:07] <ScottK> The FTBFS actually got worse in the last week.
[17:07] <kenvandine> ScottK, i'll check on that
[17:07] <ScottK> kenvandine: Yes.
[17:07] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:08] <ScottK> That's all I have for MOTU.
[17:08] <skaet> Thanks
[17:09] <skaet> any plans to get the FTBFS side looking a bit better?
[17:09] <skaet> help needed?
[17:09] <ScottK> Just takes people doing the work.
[17:09] <skaet> heh,  understood.
[17:09] <ScottK> iulian sent a message to the MOTU ML last week that got some response.
[17:10] <ScottK> For FTBFS most of the easy ones seem to have been addressed.
[17:10] <skaet> fair 'nuf.
[17:10] <skaet> any other questions?
[17:11]  * skaet looks around for hands up?
[17:11] <ScottK> I have another topic for AIB.
[17:11] <ScottK> AOB
[17:12] <skaet> go ahead
[17:12] <ScottK> There appears to be some confusion about release team delegations.
[17:12] <ScottK> In the past, motu-release would delegate powers to certain individuals to ack Universe uploads in specific areas.
[17:13] <ScottK> AFAIK, we did not do so this time, but one person is continuing to ack as if they had such a delegation even after having been told they don't.
[17:13] <cjwatson> TBH it feels to me like an oversight that we haven't done the delegations
[17:13] <ScottK> I would like the situation clarified (If clarification means I'm misunderstanding the situation and they do, then that's fine).
[17:14] <cjwatson> and maybe it would be better to correct that
[17:14] <ScottK> I don't have a strong opinion either way.  We seem to be keeping up OK without it, but I mostly want it to be clear.
[17:15] <ScottK> I think the current situation where we didn't, but someone is acting as if we did is not good.
[17:16] <ScottK> Since I've been in the middle of an argument over this, I don't want to be the one deciding.
[17:16] <skaet> agree, from a process perspective this sort of ambiguity isn't good.
[17:16] <cjwatson> my take is that there are two options: (a) issue delegations (b) issue some kind of reprimand.  which is better for Ubuntu?
[17:16] <cjwatson> my feeling is (a)
[17:16] <skaet> +1 on (a)
[17:17]  * ScottK steps back and lets the others decide.
[17:17] <cjwatson> I mean, if it were somebody we wouldn't normally have delegated, then it would be (b)
[17:17] <sistpoty|work> actually, I think robbiew's FF mail added a little bit to the confusion :)
[17:17] <cjwatson> but since it is somebody we'd normally have delegated, it doesn't seem to make sense to have a big song and dance about it given that they're basically working around something that's our fault
[17:18] <cjwatson> (albeit in a fairly direct way)
[17:18]  * sistpoty|work goes for a, but still someone would need to take care to arrange delegations
[17:18] <skaet> robbiew, thoughts?
[17:18]  * robbiew notes that his mail was from the wiki...which was stale and is now corrected ;)
[17:18] <cjwatson> sistpoty|work: F feature or F final?
[17:18] <robbiew> a
[17:18] <sistpoty|work> cjwatson: final
[17:19] <sistpoty|work> (or rather the mail that quoted my mail that listed delegations, or something like that *g*)
[17:19] <cjwatson> hah, yes, that certainly looks like a delegation
[17:20] <skaet> sistpoty|work, can you bounce me the mail you're referencing?
[17:20] <sistpoty|work> I guess the main reason we had no delegations so far for maverick is that noone took care of it yet
[17:20] <cjwatson> skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-September/000758.html
[17:20] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks.
[17:20] <cjwatson> and the link under "universe/multiverse"
[17:22] <skaet> gotcha.  yeah that looks like delegation.
[17:23] <cjwatson> anyway, since there's been confusion: unless anyone actually thinks those delegations shouldn't be repeated (is that the case?), they should be reissued for clarity
[17:23] <cjwatson> I'm guessing some names need to be updated
[17:23] <skaet> cjwatson, that seems reasonable.
[17:23] <cjwatson> Firefox should be Chris Coulson nowadays, I think?
[17:23] <cjwatson> ScottK is on ubuntu-release anyway, re KDE
[17:24] <cjwatson> I'm not sure about Ubuntu Studio
[17:24] <cjwatson> the rest look up to date AFAICS
[17:24] <cjwatson> do we need any kind of vote or is a show of hands or something sufficient?
[17:24]  * sistpoty|work tries to find delegations for lucid, maybe that might also be good to compare
[17:25] <sistpoty|work> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2010-March/000040.html
[17:25] <cjwatson> ah yes, better to have an updated version
[17:26] <cjwatson> did you ever get confirmations for the unconfirmed entries there?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> hmm, any chance of getting Lionel Le Folgoc added for Xubuntu?
[17:26] <sistpoty|work> cjwatson: yes, I think so... there must be final announcement mail, but I still need to find that :)
[17:26] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: that's in sistpoty|work's most recent link
[17:27] <cjwatson> anyway, presumably we can take this to #-release out of band?
[17:27] <skaet> sounds good.
[17:27] <skaet> any further questions/comments before ending meeting?
[17:28] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks for raising the issue.
[17:28] <skaet> going once
[17:28] <ScottK> No problem.
[17:28] <skaet> twice
[17:28] <skaet> #endmeeting
[17:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:28.
[17:29] <skaet> Thanks everyone for the good work over the last week!
[17:31] <robbiew> thnx skaet
[17:31]  * skaet heading over to #-release to continue the delegation discussion.
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