[00:03] <Sarvatt> thanks a bunch for looking over it bryce, made all those changes and I'll make one for lucid and maverick as well tomorrow
[00:08] <Sarvatt> there's another pci id added post 2.12 but its a device noone is going to have to even test a SRU
[00:09] <Sarvatt> only used in embedded intel chipset set top boxes, my hd dvd player uses it actually :)
[00:09] <bryceh> heh
[00:09] <bryceh> sure thing
[00:12] <Sarvatt> the "is this file a patch?" wording is confusing, it's literally a patch  but not the proposed solution to the bug :D
[00:12] <bryceh> yeah I know
[00:12] <bryceh> actually unchecking it is sort of a kludge-around
[00:15] <Sarvatt> RAOF, cnd: forgot to mention it but mvo sponsored your changes to xorg-server yesterday so you dont have to find a sponsor still if you didn't see it in all the craziness (thanks btw mvo!)
[00:31] <ScottK> Sarvatt and RAOF: I have a fix for Bug #633406.  It's not even very complicated.  Please see the bug.
[00:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 633406 in mesa (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "Display freeze when changing kwin effects settings if effects are active (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633406
[12:04] <vish> tseliot: hi, finally got mclasen to review the gtk bug.. maybe you could update the patch or add it lower down in your todo list ;)
[12:04] <tseliot> vish: yes, sorry I saw that email but currently I have a lot of work to do. I'll see what I can do
[12:05] <vish> tseliot: np, i guessed so.. hence the lower down in the list :)
[12:06] <vish> upstream should review patches quicker ;p  , otherwise timing gets messed up like this ;)
[14:53] <Dink> Interesting, been about 16hrs so far and my "freeze" issue hasn't occurred. There has been several update, mutter,xorg,kernel wonder if one of those or combo fixed it.
[15:40] <apw> Sarvatt, RAOF, either of you know how to disable the binary nvidia driver temporarily to allow some tesitng wihtout uninstalling it?  i assume we can blacklist something something ?
[15:41] <RAOF> apw: You should be able to blacklist nvidia-current?
[15:42] <apw> and presumably nouvueau needs to un blacklisted ?
[15:42]  * apw wishes he has some nvidia h/w
[15:42] <RAOF> Yes.
[15:42] <RAOF> update-alternatives --config gl_conf sholud be run.
[15:42] <Sarvatt> apw: sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf , pick mesa, sudo ldconfig, reboot i believe it is?
[15:43] <RAOF> I think you _also_ need to blacklist nvidia-current, though.
[15:43] <Sarvatt> nvidia-current shouldn't load cus nvidia will load first
[15:43] <Sarvatt> err nouveau
[15:43] <apw> hrm, that feels like it is going to go wrong
[15:43] <Sarvatt> that was my experience in the past
[15:44] <RAOF> Yeah.  I'd blacklist it, though.
[15:44] <apw> yeah advising both blacklisting and the update-alternatives
[15:46] <vish> njpatel: tested today again , only unity is a problem now.. mutter works fine. re: bug 616997 
[15:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 616997 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "[RV515] Unity keeps reloading with a white background (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 60)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616997
[15:47] <njpatel> virtuald, awesome, thanks
[15:47] <vish> njpatel: is there any debug needed?
[15:47] <vish> np..
[15:47] <njpatel> vish, I'll need to have a look again, currently on calls
[15:47] <vish> ok np.. :)
[15:47] <njpatel> vish, sorry it's taken so long to get close to a fix :(
[15:48] <vish> nah no worries .. :)
[15:48] <vish> if its fixed for final its suffficient ;)
[15:50] <Sarvatt> vish: nice, getting closer!
[15:51] <Sarvatt> ...or not, back to mesa not  being the  problem? lol
[15:51]  * Sarvatt just read your update
[15:51] <vish> yea.. i'm downgrading to see which update fixed the white screen issue
[15:51] <Sarvatt> clutter
[15:52] <vish> oh then no need to downgrade if its known ;)
[15:55] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure its ever going to work on ATI < r600 until we switch to the gallium r300 driver because you don't have GL_ARB_non_power_of_two that its trying to use
[15:58] <Sarvatt> vish: xorg-edgers should work fine now if you want to actually use unity, that wont help get it fixed of course :)
[15:58] <vish> oh.. then lets try FFe? ;)
[15:58]  * vish hides 
[15:59] <Sarvatt> mesa 7.9 was crazy enough, r300g this late? no way :)
[15:59]  * Sarvatt can't wait to see all the bugs about UMS no longer having 3D acceleration when we switch
[16:00]  * vish adds edgers
[16:01] <Sarvatt> not to mention growing the livecd 10MB just for r300g will be much appreciated i'm sure
[16:01] <vish> yea, pitti just loves those ;)
[16:01] <Sarvatt> oh wait, thats just with llvm enabled so IGP's without HWTCL don't suck as much
[16:02] <RAOF> And we can't enableb llvm for i386 because it unconditionally uses SSE2, right?
[16:06] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure at the moment
[16:06] <Sarvatt> oh xds notes started up again
[16:07] <RAOF> Yup.  Kristian talking about EGL.
[16:16] <vish> woooT!~!!!
[16:16] <vish> edgers atleast allows me to login into unity!
[16:16] <RAOF> On r515?
[16:16] <vish> well there are a lot of weirds aftifacts though ;p
[16:16] <vish> yup 
[16:16] <vish> RV515'
[16:17] <RAOF> With r300g I presume.
[16:18] <Sarvatt> yeah
[16:18] <Sarvatt> no r300c in edgers
[16:19] <RAOF> Fair call :){
[16:21] <Sarvatt> is there any way to disable the drop shadow in unity thats trying to get used every time it crashes on ati?
[16:21] <Sarvatt> #1 0xb7ecf579 in CheckGLError (glCall=0xb7ed62e0 "glTexImage2D (GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, GL_RGBA8, self->width, self->height, 0, GL_RGBA, GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE, NULL)", file=0xb7ed5f45 "./ctk-render-target.c", line=285) at ./ctk-utils.c:110
[16:21] <Sarvatt>         glErr = <value optimized out>
[16:21] <Sarvatt> #2 0xb7eca764 in ctk_render_target_resize (self=0x84cb918, width=1680, height=1050) at ./ctk-render-target.c:277
[16:21] <Sarvatt>         __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "ctk_render_target_resize"
[16:21] <Sarvatt> #3 0xb7eb6a6b in ctk_effect_drop_shadow_paint (effect=0x86bc810, paint_func=0x808cd90, is_last_effect=1) at ./ctk-effect-drop-shadow.c:319
[16:23] <Sarvatt> vish: does unity -p -w 1024 -h 1024 work?
[16:24] <Sarvatt> dont reboot to check or anything if you aren't messing around in it already, its not important :)
[16:35] <vish> Sarvatt: nope , http://paste.ubuntu.com/495357/  i ust get a white screen and it quits
[16:35] <vish> just*
[16:38] <vish> hmm , notify osd looks odd with this edgers!
[16:40] <Sarvatt> pretty sure thats a pixman problem with the newer one in there
[16:40] <Sarvatt> it's fine here but had someone else say downgrading pixman fixed it
[16:41] <Sarvatt> i would notice because i get notify-osd popup spam while running my xorg-edgers update script every day :)
[16:46] <vish> this is how it is , http://imagebin.ca/popup/Fy4J9P.html  the same when running mutter or unity , if metacity then the black line is on the lower and right side of the bubble
[16:48] <Sarvatt> hah! now I get it too, I wasn't a few days ago
[16:49] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/notify.png
[16:49] <Sarvatt> well more than a few days, i haven't been using edgers primarily for a few weeks to test this mesa stuff
[16:58] <vish> yeah , thts exactly how metacity one looks like
[16:59]  * Sarvatt uses metacity
[17:00] <vish> boo!  dont abandon compiz!!
[17:01] <Sarvatt> i dont notice when its enabled or disabled so forget its disabled for weeks at a time :)
[17:02] <vish> ah !
[17:02]  * vish often wonders why some people dont like compiz :)
[17:02] <soreau> No one doesn't like compiz
[17:02] <soreau> They just get mad when their drivers suck 
[17:03] <Sarvatt> or when it slows down glxgears! :)
[17:03] <soreau> or they can't figure out how to use it properly ;)
[17:03] <vish> yea.. !
[17:03] <soreau> Erm, right.. got to have all those precious gears fps :P
[17:04] <soreau> Does anyone else use compiz wallpaper plugin? A recent X update seems to have broken it ie. it does not render anything at all
[17:04] <soreau> maybe pixman is hating, not sure
[17:04]  * Sarvatt tries
[17:04] <soreau> Sarvatt: thanks
[17:04] <kenvandine> RAOF, did the mesa revert get prepared? just needs sponsoring?
[17:08] <kenvandine> Sarvatt, any reason not to get the fix for bug 628077 uploaded?
[17:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628077 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[i865] Crash on logout with KDM (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628077
[17:09] <Sarvatt> kenvandine: yeah, there is no fix for 2.12
[17:09] <kenvandine> oh... yuck
[17:11] <Sarvatt> argh, looks like i dont even have the compiz wallpaper plugin installed
[17:12] <Sarvatt> there it is in -extra
[17:14] <Sarvatt> doesn't do anything here either
[17:14] <Sarvatt> soreau: of course you knew that :)
[17:19]  * Sarvatt browses around compiz git to see if he spots anything
[17:19] <Sarvatt> not that it'll be relevant to our ancient compiz :)
[17:26] <Sarvatt> soreau: any rough idea at all of when it started?
[17:34] <Sarvatt> tseliot: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148151&postcount=13
[17:35] <tseliot> Sarvatt: yes, I'm discussing this with apw and amd
[17:57] <soreau> Sarvatt: Users started reporting it about a month ago, all with latest X. Now I have newer X installed and it seems to happen with >= xorg 1.9.x
[19:18] <vish> Sarvatt: another one similar to my unity restart Bug #641523
[19:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 641523 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Starting unity causes a repeatedly flashing white screen to appear on ATI MobilityRadeon (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641523
[19:27] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[19:28] <BUGabundo> I've got a toshiba laptop, running Maverick, with a ATI Radeo HD 4500, with stock drivers
[19:28] <BUGabundo> when plugged VIA HDMI to a 37" Pionneer LCD/TV the colors are bloated, turning green and magenta
[19:32] <vish> BUGabundo: that the new wallpaper!
[19:32]  * vish hides
[19:33] <BUGabundo> that too
[19:33] <BUGabundo> but everything else :P
[19:37] <BUGabundo> so the question is, are their any other drivers that I could test?
[19:37] <BUGabundo> this ones work so well, other the descoloration
[19:42] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: do you use a interlaced resolution on the hdtv?
[19:43] <Sarvatt> 1080i instead of 720p or 1080p
[19:43] <BUGabundo> 1080p
[19:43] <BUGabundo> _I think_
[19:46] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: anything I can do?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> I would really like to use it as secondary monitor
[19:46] <Sarvatt> dget -u -x http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.13.99+git20100907.b90cb61c-0ubuntu0sarvatt.dsc
[19:47] <Sarvatt> cd xserver-xorg-video-ati-6.13.99+git20100907 && sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati && debuild -uc -us -b && sudo dpkg -i ../xserver-xorg-video-ati_*.deb
[19:47] <BUGabundo> wait wait
[19:47] <BUGabundo> let me SSH into it
[19:48] <Sarvatt> (or just try xorg-edgers if thats easier)
[19:48] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:48] <BUGabundo> it is :P
[19:49] <Sarvatt> dget -u -x http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.13.99+git20100907.b90cb61c-0ubuntu0sarvatt.dsc && cd xserver-xorg-video-ati-6.13.99+git20100907 && sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati && debuild -uc -us -b && sudo dpkg -i ../xserver-xorg-video-ati_*.deb
[19:49] <Sarvatt> 1 command in a terminal vs 10 minutes of upgrading :)
[19:49] <BUGabundo> its already doing upgrades 
[19:49] <BUGabundo> 1 week of them
[19:49] <BUGabundo> I just installed that laptop last weel
[19:49] <BUGabundo> *week
[20:02] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: no dget LOL
[20:02] <BUGabundo> seems ill have to wait for the upgrade to finsh
[20:02] <Sarvatt> doh
[20:02] <Sarvatt> no debuild either then too
[20:02] <BUGabundo> probably
[20:02] <BUGabundo> its a rather clean install
[20:03] <BUGabundo> extras are only langpacks gnome do, chromium and compiz stuff
[20:17] <Sarvatt> well, we got one very postive response and nothing bad yet about the i8xx switch to fbdev at least
[20:19] <vish> Sarvatt: do you want Bug #629814  to be open, iirc you mentioned something about the Backtrace for a hidden bug..
[20:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 629814 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gme] Moving pointer over Unity's launcher crashes X and causes Unity to reload (affects: 1) (heat: 321)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629814
[20:19] <vish> Sarvatt: the memory leak in unity was fixed and this doesnt seem to happen now
[20:20] <Sarvatt> vish: is unity still broken? can be closed if not
[20:20] <vish> nope, no problems.. will mark it a dup .. thanks :)
[20:21] <Sarvatt> tracking the logout crash thing in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/628077 and its not related to your unity problem
[20:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628077 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[i865] Crash on logout with KDM (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed]
[20:24] <vish> k..
[20:32] <Sarvatt> speaking of which, disappearing for a bit while i test out some patches for that bug
[20:41] <Sarvatt> adding/removing edgers takes a crazy amount of time on this netbook these days :(
[20:57] <Sarvatt> ScottK: by any chance are you available to test an intel package in a bit on your machine that has the logout problem?
[20:57] <Sarvatt> because I believe i've fixed it
[20:58] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:58] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Does http://paste.ubuntu.com/495500/ look familiar?
[20:59] <Sarvatt> one sec, chromium taking ages to load the 50 launchpad tabs :)
[21:00]  * Sarvatt still can't scroll that paste yet
[21:00] <Sarvatt> looks like you're using virtualbox and its trying to load the driver that doesn't exist for it?
[21:01] <ScottK> No idea.  I just asked the person with the problem to join.
[21:01]  * Sarvatt still hasn't scrolled down all the way
[21:01] <ScottK> Sarvatt: That's rbelem's crash.
[21:02] <ScottK> rbelem: Sarvatt is one of the Canonical people who understands this stuff.
[21:02] <rbelem> cool
[21:02] <rbelem> i was running kubuntu-mobile on virtualbox and that error was happening
[21:03] <ScottK> What he said right before you joined was "looks like you're using virtualbox and its trying to load the driver that doesn't exist for it?"
[21:03] <Sarvatt> ok swrast+KDE, where are you screwing up now
[21:03] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/0z7t73SE
[21:03] <Sarvatt> someone else posted that on nouveau+swrast+KDE earlier
[21:05] <Sarvatt> and disabling effects worked around it for them
[21:05] <ScottK> Is there a package we should be shipping to provide a driver that we don't?
[21:05] <BUGabundo> eewww
[21:05] <Sarvatt> nah vesa is fine, it just tries to use vboxvideo by default
[21:05] <BUGabundo> 15MB extra MB for dget?
[21:05] <Sarvatt> but there's something going wrong with KDE desktop effects + swrast
[21:06] <Sarvatt> it's trying to use GL compositing with swrast
[21:07] <Sarvatt> compiz isn't affected because its hardcoded not to work with the software rasterizer
[21:09] <Sarvatt> one sec, let me upload this intel so it can build while i look at it some more
[21:09] <soreau> P.S. - compiz now works with radeon gallium swrast at reasonable speeds
[21:10] <soreau> aside from frag progs not working, I almost couldn't tell it was software rendering ;)
[21:10] <rbelem> Sarvatt, the error also happening with live images. do we need to do something to fix that?
[21:11] <Sarvatt> KDE blacklisting swrast would be the easy fix, i'm not sure why it's trying to use it yet
[21:11] <Sarvatt> kwin rather
[21:12] <rbelem> Sarvatt, cool
[21:14] <rbelem> Sarvatt, i will try this and i will be around if you want to ask something :-)
[21:14] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure how to add it to the blacklists exactly to test it, maybe ScottK knows?
[21:14] <Sarvatt> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[21:14] <Sarvatt> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.9-devel
[21:15] <ScottK> rbelem: Please ask mgraesslin on #kubuntu-devel.
[21:15] <rbelem> Sarvatt, ok
[21:15] <rbelem> ;-)
[21:15] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Speaking of mesa, any progress on reverting the clutter work around now that clutter is fixed?
[21:16] <Sarvatt> RAOF: ^^ ?
[21:16] <ScottK> There's also Bug #633406 (with patch) I'm curious for feedback.
[21:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 633406 in mesa (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "Display freeze when changing kwin effects settings if effects are active (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 22)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633406
[21:25] <Sarvatt> ScottK: there is another version of it on the upstream bug report that looks much less risky, was hoping upstream (krh specifically) would reply on the bug but most everyones at XDS :(
[21:25] <Sarvatt> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/copyfb
[21:25] <ScottK> OK.
[21:25] <ScottK> Maybe someone who is there can hunt him down and ask.  That's a pretty painful bug.
[21:25]  * ScottK goes to find the box in question.
[21:30] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/101_copy-fb.patch is the updated patch in there, I can't reproduce it with it
[21:31] <Sarvatt> compared to http://sarvatt.com/downloads/101_copy-fb-old.patch
[21:34] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: -bash: cd: xserver-xorg-video-ati-6.13.99+git20100907: Ficheiro ou directoria inexistente
[21:35] <Sarvatt> sorry forgot the .b90cb61c
[21:35] <Sarvatt> hit tab?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ?
[21:36] <Sarvatt> cd xser<tab>
[21:37] <Sarvatt> and run the rest from there?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> where from?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> ahh 
[21:37] <BUGabundo> saw
[21:37] <Sarvatt> the dget command downloaded the source package and extracted it wherever you are
[21:38] <BUGabundo> E: Você deve colocar alguns URIs 'source' no seu sources.list
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ehe
[21:38] <BUGabundo> let me enable sources repo
[21:38] <Sarvatt> dont need to enable any sources to use dget directly with the dsc..
[21:38] <Sarvatt> did you add edgers?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> no
[21:38] <BUGabundo> just run what you gave me
[21:39] <BUGabundo> dget -u -x http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.13.99+git20100907.b90cb61c-0ubuntu0sarvatt.dsc && cd xserver-xorg-video-ati-6.13.99+git20100907 && sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati && debuild -uc -us -b && sudo dpkg -i ../xserver-xorg-video-ati_*.deb
[21:39] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: did dget work?
[21:39] <Sarvatt> if so just cd xser<hit tab here> and run the rest of that command after
[21:39] <BUGabundo> # cd xserver-xorg-video-ati-6.13.99+git20100907.b90cb61c/ && sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati && debuild -uc -us -b && sudo dpkg -i ../xserver-xorg-video-ati_*.deb
[21:39] <BUGabundo> A ler as listas de pacotes... Pronto
[21:39] <BUGabundo> A construir árvore de dependências       
[21:39] <BUGabundo> A ler a informação de estado... Pronto
[21:39] <BUGabundo> E: Você deve colocar alguns URIs 'source' no seu sources.list
[21:39] <BUGabundo> root@ala:~/xserver-xorg-video-ati-6.13.99+git20100907.b90cb61c# 
[21:39] <ScottK> Found the relevant netbook.  Updating it now.
[21:40] <Sarvatt> i cant read portuguese, I think it's saying you dont have an source repos added?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:40] <Sarvatt> ah sorry ya were fixing that, gotcha
[21:41] <BUGabundo> time for some ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa  action ?
[21:41] <Sarvatt> nope just deb-src for the main archive
[21:41] <BUGabundo> okay
[21:41] <Sarvatt> or heck just xorg-edgers if you have another problem, guess that is easier :)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> 28 more MBs
[21:44] <BUGabundo> and this *was* a clean install :P
[21:45] <Sarvatt> the build deps will autoremove after at least :)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> true
[21:48] <BUGabundo> although I appreciate the freedom to compile my own GPU driver
[21:48] <BUGabundo> this is one of those things I wish it JUST WORKED
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I just want to plug my TV and use it :(
[21:49] <BUGabundo> well it does work... just with wrong collors
[21:49] <BUGabundo> btw yet another bug
[21:49] <BUGabundo> that laptop seems to "lose" the screen some times
[21:49] <BUGabundo> it fades and doesn't interact 
[21:49] <BUGabundo> and after a second nugdes works fine
[21:50] <BUGabundo> it starts fadding _just_ after I press any key :S
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: done. reboot?
[21:52] <Sarvatt> yepyep
[21:52]  * Sarvatt crosses fingers
[21:52] <ScottK> Sarvatt: LP says that won't start to build for another 5 hours.
[21:52] <Sarvatt> :(
[21:52] <Sarvatt> i386?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> you corss fingers??
[21:53] <BUGabundo> bah
[21:53]  * BUGabundo reboots
[21:54] <Sarvatt> ScottK: if its i386 I've got the deb handy
[21:54] <ScottK> Sarvatt: It is.
[21:54] <BUGabundo> ok it boots
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I have desktop
[21:54] <Sarvatt> is it pink?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> now
[21:54] <BUGabundo> grey ropes
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I aint crazy to keep stock settings
[21:55]  * BUGabundo plugs HDMI cable and crosses fingers
[21:55] <BUGabundo> it helps if I turn the TV on
[21:55] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: No change
[21:55] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:56] <BUGabundo> its on 1080p
[21:56] <Sarvatt> i'm sure the fix is going to be in the kernel, that was a long shot :(
[21:58] <Sarvatt> ScottK: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.12.0-1ubuntu5~ppa1_i386.deb
[21:58] <ScottK> Just the one?
[21:58] <Sarvatt> need -dbg?
[21:59] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg_2.12.0-1ubuntu5~ppa1_i386.deb if you need it
[21:59] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: btw sudo apt-get purge postfix bsd-mailx :)
[21:59] <ScottK> I'll know in a minute ...
[22:02] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Still fails.
[22:02] <Sarvatt> :(
[22:02] <ScottK> (and yes, I restarted to make sure i was using the right driver)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: so I wait ?
[22:04] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: I dont know of any fix off the top of my head, trying out the mainline kernels every now and then is the only thing I can suggest for now, fglrx might have a release sometime soon that works with maverick hopefully
[22:05] <Sarvatt> ScottK: thanks for testing it, I'm so stumped on this darn patch
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: it does work nicelly
[22:05] <BUGabundo> just not with this external hdmi tv  collors
[22:10] <BUGabundo> bye
[22:10] <Sarvatt> doh
[22:10] <Sarvatt> was just going to ask him more questions
[22:11] <bryceh> Sarvatt, well you've probably got many more important bugs on your plate at the moment
[22:14] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Do you want the Xorg log for the failure?
[22:14] <Sarvatt> ScottK: is it just the same backtrace?
[22:15]  * ScottK doesn't recall.
 <Sarvatt> 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e83bb]
 <Sarvatt> 1: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x5da8d) [0x80a5a8d]
 <Sarvatt> 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xa9640c]
 <Sarvatt> 3: /usr/bin/X (FreeClientResources+0xed) [0x808f04d]
 <Sarvatt> 4: /usr/bin/X (FreeAllResources+0x60) [0x808f120]
 <Sarvatt> 5: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1a5e6) [0x80625e6]
 <Sarvatt> 6: /lib/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe7) [0x2a5ce7]
 <Sarvatt> 7: /usr/bin/X (0x8048000+0x1a191) [0x8062191]
 <Sarvatt> Segmentation fault at address 0x4
[22:17] <Sarvatt> if so then nah
[22:20] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Some of the numbers in brackets are different, but other than that, the same.
[22:20] <Sarvatt> yeah, didn't fix your problem there for sure then, sorry :(
[22:23] <ScottK> OK.
[22:44] <Sarvatt> ScottK: ok just to be sure, on your netbooks just logging out of KDE triggers it?
[22:45] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Yes.
[22:45] <Sarvatt> planning on getting KDE set up on this thing over the weekend so I can debug it further since i cant reproduce it anymore without causing a GPU hang
[22:45] <ScottK> Problem happens in a live session too, FYI.
[22:57] <Sarvatt> where are the kwin logs at for future reference? does it just dump them in ~/.xsession-errors?
[22:58] <Sarvatt> rbelem: can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors from a failed kde startup?
[23:00] <Sarvatt> the kde livecd has been booting for the past 20 minutes in vmware on this netbook :)
[23:06] <veenenen> hey everybody. I'm running into an issue with my magic trackpad. It stopped being recognized as a track pad by x in maverick today. The maverick chat thinks it's related to this bug 637430.
[23:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 637430 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Magic Trackpad should default to evdev instead of synaptics (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637430
[23:06] <veenenen> I'm hoping someone can help me out with getting this resolved
[23:09] <yofel> which was my assumption, from his Xorg log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/495559/ and 
[23:09] <yofel> [  1118.411] (**) Apple Wireless Trackpad: Device: "/dev/input/mouse0"
[23:09] <yofel> [  1118.441] (EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[23:12] <Sarvatt> looks like its working as intended to me, its just not presented as a synaptics device anymore.. the Inappropriate ioctl for device error is just for the /dev/input/mouse0 and is harmless, it works off the event device
[23:13] <Sarvatt> i have no idea how the multitouch stuff is configured, but the touchpad utilities in gnome are just for synaptics devices
[23:13] <yofel> ok
[23:13] <Sarvatt> cnd: any insights there?
[23:14] <veenenen> a touchpad tab had been showing up in the mouse preferences, but isn't anymore
[23:14] <veenenen> i'm not sure if that helps
[23:14] <Sarvatt> there's a channel for the touch stuff that might help out, i think its #ubuntu-touch?
[23:14] <Sarvatt> yeah thats intended afaik, when it says touchpad it really means synaptics
[23:14] <veenenen> i wasn't getting any response in there
[23:15] <Sarvatt> there should be anyother gui to configure the multitouch stuff, you dont see one anywhere?
[23:15] <Sarvatt> i really dont know if there is, just assuming here
[23:16] <Sarvatt> maybe something with utouch in the name?
[23:16] <veenenen> i grabbed the pointing devices package too, but that just seems to break stuff
[23:17] <Sarvatt> yeah thats for synaptics only again, i know its confusing :(
[23:17] <Sarvatt> gotta be some way to configure things with it, looking into the packages now
[23:18] <veenenen> it had been mouse until a few hours ago
[23:19] <Sarvatt> do you have the utouch package installed?
[23:19] <veenenen> yeah, just installed it
[23:21] <veenenen> should i restart x?
[23:21] <veenenen> i'm not seeing anything new
[23:22] <Sarvatt> i'm not seeing anythin either
[23:23] <Sarvatt> what do you want to configure?
[23:24] <Sarvatt> veenenen: well until someone familiar with it can help ya out you can just sudo mv /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/60-magictrackpad.conf{,.bak} in a terminal and restart X and synaptics should go back to picking up the device
[23:25] <veenenen> right now all that's working is the trackpad and the button on the bottom
[23:26] <Sarvatt> what was working before that isn't now?
[23:26] <veenenen> no scrolling and no touch click
[23:26] <Sarvatt> gestures and all of that should be working, 2 finger scroll and such
[23:26] <veenenen> all of that was working until the updates a few hours ago
[23:27] <veenenen> alright, restarting x. be right back.
[23:27] <Sarvatt> via synaptics emulation, I know it was intentional it was moved over to evdev to work with the actual multitouch stuff but I dont know how any of that works to tell you how to use it
[23:28] <Sarvatt> veenenen: actually, have you rebooted since installing the utouch stuff?
[23:28] <Sarvatt> i think thats the missing piece of the puzzle here, thats only installed by default in netbook afaik
 veenenen: actually, have you rebooted since installing the utouch stuff?
 i think thats the missing piece of the puzzle here, thats only installed by default in netbook afaik
[23:29] <veenenen> ahhhhhh, there we go
[23:29] <veenenen> i didn't restart after the utouch stuff
[23:30] <veenenen> i'll have to try it again, when I'm not in the middle of work
[23:30] <Sarvatt> it'd be worth moving /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/60-magictrackpad.conf.bak back to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/60-magictrackpad.conf and rebooting again,  it may work a lot better
[23:30]  * Sarvatt nods
[23:30] <veenenen> i should have time this weekend to try it
[23:30] <veenenen> thanks for all the help
[23:31] <Sarvatt> pretty crappy to move it over to evdev and lose all that functionality if you arent using UNE from a user's perspective
[23:31] <Sarvatt> cnd: why not put the magicmouse conf in a utouch package?
[23:33] <Sarvatt> magictrackpad, sorry
[23:53] <Sarvatt> veenenen: ah hah, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-September/002630.html
[23:54] <veenenen> haha, nice to know they knew I'd be annoyed.
[23:58] <veenenen> so if I remove that conf file and restart, utouch should catch everything?
[23:59] <veenenen> they just forgot to list utouch and evdev as dependences?